A 03 Nov 2004 15:28:55 GMT,
(RedRipeApple) escribió:
I have another question. What is it about liquid diets that make them work?

There are a variety of things, I'm sure. Probably the most
obvious effect is how VLCD help reduce decision-making.

Is it the fact that they are all liquid?

The VLCD I was on had different programs. One was
all-liquid, but another was half shakes and half entrees.

What is the magic here?

The product isn't enough. The support, the medical
supervision, and the program itself are all essential
pieces.

- do you think someone could do the same thing with all protein shakes like EAS
or ISOPURE or a combo of protein shakes as opposed to doing a structured plan
like medifast, optifast, etc? Why or why not?

Those shakes aren't nutritionally complete, in the way
Optifast, Medifast and HMR are. Also, without medical
supervision, it's basically Russian Roulette. It's utterly
unsafe.


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A 3 Nov 2004 15:56:45 GMT, Ignoramus14916
escribió:
They do not work very well.

They actually are the most effective ways for obese people
to lose weight long-term.

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A 03 Nov 2004 16:28:40 GMT,
(RedRipeApple) escribió:
p.s. don't only 5-10 percent of us keep the weight off from ANY diet anyhow?

That's the average for standard low-fat, low-calorie and
low-carb diets. For medically-supervised VLCDs, the success
rates are 15-20 percent.


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A Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:45:37 GMT, "Patricia Heil"
escribió:
They don't work. Not permanently.

You're mistaken. Over two and a half years, and
counting....

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Hi, I appreciate your post but that isn't what I asked - I am not asking
if I
should go on a liquid diet, only if regular protein shakes would work the
same
as a structured liquid fast... :-)

Hell no. These liquid diets have been designed to provide a good mix of
nutrients. Trying to live off of protein shakes for an extended period of
time would probably land you in the hospital, or worse.

A 4 Nov 2004 01:57:26 GMT, Ignoramus14916
escribió:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:53:09 -0500, *bicker* wrote:
A 3 Nov 2004 15:56:45 GMT, Ignoramus14916
escribió:
They do not work very well.
They actually are the most effective ways for obese people
to lose weight long-term.
Do you have evidence for it?

Yes, and I've provided the citations to you in the past.

I do have to worry about your diet, though, since it seems
to have caused memory loss. See a doctor.


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A 4 Nov 2004 01:57:26 GMT, Ignoramus14916
escribió:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:53:09 -0500, *bicker* wrote:
A 3 Nov 2004 15:56:45 GMT, Ignoramus14916
escribió:
They do not work very well.
They actually are the most effective ways for obese people
to lose weight long-term.
Do you have evidence for it?

Yes, and I've provided the citations to you in the past.

I do have to worry about your diet, though, since it seems
to have caused memory loss. See a doctor.


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A 4 Nov 2004 01:57:26 GMT, Ignoramus14916
escribió:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:53:09 -0500, *bicker*
wrote:
A 3 Nov 2004 15:56:45 GMT, Ignoramus14916
escribió:
They do not work very well.
They actually are the most effective ways for obese people
to lose weight long-term.
Do you have evidence for it?

Yes, and I've provided the citations to you in the past.

I do have to worry about your diet, though, since it seems
to have caused memory loss. See a doctor.

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You forget that ignoranus never lets facts get in the way of his version of
reality. Wasn't it only a few weeks ago that you were having this
discussion and he was so complementary of your success? The discussion was
about how something like 65% of the subjects didn't gain more than 50% of
their weight back? Now that he's being challenged on his stupid
generalizations he's getting defensive and snarky again.

**Disclaimer** I don't recall the exact details and I don't feel like
googling it. It might have even been more than just a few weeks ago and the
65% might be wrong too. I don't have a head for numbers which doesn't make
me a liar, just someone better at reading than at math. This disclaimer is
added because ignoranus is a pathetic moron who has decided that my habit of
truncating decimals makes me a liar while his habit of intentionally taking
information out of context constitutes reality.

Jenn

A 4 Nov 2004 15:08:49 GMT, Ignoramus27412
escribió:
They do not work very well.
They actually are the most effective ways for obese people
to lose weight long-term.
Do you have evidence for it?
Yes, and I've provided the citations to you in the past.
I do have to worry about your diet, though, since it seems
to have caused memory loss. See a doctor.
Can you please do me a great favor and post evidence that VLCD
``actually are the most effective ways for obese people to lose weight
long-term''.

As I mentioned earlier, I've already provided it for you.
If someone seriously is interested in the citations, they'll
ask. Sorry, Ig, but you just don't matter enough to be
worth the bother of digging it up again for you, just to
stroke your ego.


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