My first WW-weigh-in...

[Paul & Suzie Beckwith]

....was on Wednesday just gone, and I've only just gotten the courage
to post, 'cos I was soooo disappointed... I hadn't lost anything (but
I also hadn't gained anything so thats a blessing...)

The leader of my group also gave me such a hard time that there was no
way I was going to stay for the motivational chat - she looked at my
journal and said "well thats no good, and you can't eat that, and no
wonder you didn;t lose anything" and stuff like that - nothing
encouraging like "if you'd done this instead" ...

The main problem was that I'd spent last weekend working at a
rubber-stamping show in London, been on my feet all day both days and
on the Saturday hadn't had a break to be able to go get something to
eat - I managed to scoff 2 WW chocolate crisp bars between customers
but basically spent the whole day on the till and credit-card machine.
On the way home I bought a large amount of KFC and had that when I got
in at 8pm... all pointed and accounted for mind... now my friend
Debbie says that there was probably too much fat consumed in one go,
and that my body may not have been able to break it all down... but
the leader had great trouble in believing that I'd been unable to have
a break and basically tore me off a shred IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ELSE
waiting to get weighed...

How I stopped myself crying in front of her I do not know - I felt so
small... it was my first week and I'm still trying to work out what I
can and can't eat and how to do it - you'd have thought she'd have
been a little more lax with me and given me some encouraging comments
rather than slagging me off. The only good thing she said was, that if
I hadn't lost any weight after 4 weeks she'd give me my money back...

Apart from the weekend I had been so careful to look at the points of
what I was eating, and to try and spread out my meals so I was eating
little and often - not easy when I work in an office where I'm not
really supposed to eat at my desk, but fruit is ok... its also
extremely hard to adjust to a diet containing 5 portions of fruit and
veg when usually I only have 1 - before you jump on me I know that
what I used to eat was appallingly bad for me, for example the idea of
having 2 vegetables with an evening meal was completely alien, one was
bad enough... we don't even have a vegetable rack for storing veggies
in for heavens sake...

So, I am still 17st 2.5lb (according to their scales that is,
according to mine I had lost 4lb but there you go) but this week I am
determined to lose something and prove to myself that I am capable of
doing so. Reading this NG is at least comforting to know that I have
friends out there who know what I am going through, and will
(hopefully!) support me and encourge me. And my friend Debbie who has
decided to come with me can stop me from physically slapping the
leader when I next see her...

Suzie B
Down but not out...
--
"From the internet connection under the pier"
Southend, UK
http://community.webshots.com/user/suziekga

[JulieB]

Oh it makes me sick to hear about leaders like that. I'm so sorry you had
such a bad experience at your first weigh-in - that leader needs to be taken
out and bitch-slapped :) Is there any way you can change meetings to avoid
her? You really do need all the encouragement you can get, and I know
having a good leader is a part of my success.

It sounds like you picked a bad week to start WW - planning meals when
you're out of your normal routine is always going to be hard, and when
you're trying to get used to a new way of eating as well! Congratulations
for not gaining - I know I would have after all that :)

--
Julie.
93.5/73.5/74 (WW)/72 (Personal) kg
205.7/161.7/162.8 (WW)/158 (Personal) lb

"Paul & Suzie Beckwith" > wrote in message
...
> ...was on Wednesday just gone, and I've only just gotten the courage
> to post, 'cos I was soooo disappointed... I hadn't lost anything (but
> I also hadn't gained anything so thats a blessing...)
>
> The leader of my group also gave me such a hard time that there was no
> way I was going to stay for the motivational chat - she looked at my
> journal and said "well thats no good, and you can't eat that, and no
> wonder you didn;t lose anything" and stuff like that - nothing
> encouraging like "if you'd done this instead" ...
>
> The main problem was that I'd spent last weekend working at a
> rubber-stamping show in London, been on my feet all day both days and
> on the Saturday hadn't had a break to be able to go get something to
> eat - I managed to scoff 2 WW chocolate crisp bars between customers
> but basically spent the whole day on the till and credit-card machine.
> On the way home I bought a large amount of KFC and had that when I got
> in at 8pm... all pointed and accounted for mind... now my friend
> Debbie says that there was probably too much fat consumed in one go,
> and that my body may not have been able to break it all down... but
> the leader had great trouble in believing that I'd been unable to have
> a break and basically tore me off a shred IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ELSE
> waiting to get weighed...
>
> How I stopped myself crying in front of her I do not know - I felt so
> small... it was my first week and I'm still trying to work out what I
> can and can't eat and how to do it - you'd have thought she'd have
> been a little more lax with me and given me some encouraging comments
> rather than slagging me off. The only good thing she said was, that if
> I hadn't lost any weight after 4 weeks she'd give me my money back...
>
> Apart from the weekend I had been so careful to look at the points of
> what I was eating, and to try and spread out my meals so I was eating
> little and often - not easy when I work in an office where I'm not
> really supposed to eat at my desk, but fruit is ok... its also
> extremely hard to adjust to a diet containing 5 portions of fruit and
> veg when usually I only have 1 - before you jump on me I know that
> what I used to eat was appallingly bad for me, for example the idea of
> having 2 vegetables with an evening meal was completely alien, one was
> bad enough... we don't even have a vegetable rack for storing veggies
> in for heavens sake...
>
> So, I am still 17st 2.5lb (according to their scales that is,
> according to mine I had lost 4lb but there you go) but this week I am
> determined to lose something and prove to myself that I am capable of
> doing so. Reading this NG is at least comforting to know that I have
> friends out there who know what I am going through, and will
> (hopefully!) support me and encourge me. And my friend Debbie who has
> decided to come with me can stop me from physically slapping the
> leader when I next see her...
>
> Suzie B
> Down but not out...
> --
> "From the internet connection under the pier"
> Southend, UK
> http://community.webshots.com/user/suziekga
>

[frood]

Listen, Suzie, that leader is definately a non-quilter, if you ask me! I
know that starting this program can be tricky, until you get the hang of
things. My first week we were on vacation, and I figured a breakfast of 2
fried eggs and hash brown potatoes (a vegetable!) and a large orange juice
was a good choice, so I had it every day. Oops!

Hang in there, chicky! You'll get the feel for the program in a short while.
Keep journaling. Keep posting here. Ask as many questions as you want.
Remember, this is a lifestyle change, not a short-term "diet" program. It
can take some time to make all the changes you need to.

And, if Debbie's not enough support for you, I know a carnifex you can send
after that leader... ;-P

--
Wendy
http://griffinsflight.com/Quilting/quilt1.htm
de-fang email address to reply


"Paul & Suzie Beckwith" > wrote in message
...
> ...was on Wednesday just gone, and I've only just gotten the courage
> to post, 'cos I was soooo disappointed... I hadn't lost anything (but
> I also hadn't gained anything so thats a blessing...)
>
> The leader of my group also gave me such a hard time that there was no
> way I was going to stay for the motivational chat - she looked at my
> journal and said "well thats no good, and you can't eat that, and no
> wonder you didn;t lose anything" and stuff like that - nothing
> encouraging like "if you'd done this instead" ...
>
> The main problem was that I'd spent last weekend working at a
> rubber-stamping show in London, been on my feet all day both days and
> on the Saturday hadn't had a break to be able to go get something to
> eat - I managed to scoff 2 WW chocolate crisp bars between customers
> but basically spent the whole day on the till and credit-card machine.
> On the way home I bought a large amount of KFC and had that when I got
> in at 8pm... all pointed and accounted for mind... now my friend
> Debbie says that there was probably too much fat consumed in one go,
> and that my body may not have been able to break it all down... but
> the leader had great trouble in believing that I'd been unable to have
> a break and basically tore me off a shred IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ELSE
> waiting to get weighed...
>
> How I stopped myself crying in front of her I do not know - I felt so
> small... it was my first week and I'm still trying to work out what I
> can and can't eat and how to do it - you'd have thought she'd have
> been a little more lax with me and given me some encouraging comments
> rather than slagging me off. The only good thing she said was, that if
> I hadn't lost any weight after 4 weeks she'd give me my money back...
>
> Apart from the weekend I had been so careful to look at the points of
> what I was eating, and to try and spread out my meals so I was eating
> little and often - not easy when I work in an office where I'm not
> really supposed to eat at my desk, but fruit is ok... its also
> extremely hard to adjust to a diet containing 5 portions of fruit and
> veg when usually I only have 1 - before you jump on me I know that
> what I used to eat was appallingly bad for me, for example the idea of
> having 2 vegetables with an evening meal was completely alien, one was
> bad enough... we don't even have a vegetable rack for storing veggies
> in for heavens sake...
>
> So, I am still 17st 2.5lb (according to their scales that is,
> according to mine I had lost 4lb but there you go) but this week I am
> determined to lose something and prove to myself that I am capable of
> doing so. Reading this NG is at least comforting to know that I have
> friends out there who know what I am going through, and will
> (hopefully!) support me and encourge me. And my friend Debbie who has
> decided to come with me can stop me from physically slapping the
> leader when I next see her...
>
> Suzie B
> Down but not out...
> --
> "From the internet connection under the pier"
> Southend, UK
> http://community.webshots.com/user/suziekga
>

[Kate Dicey]

Paul & Suzie Beckwith wrote:
>
> ...was on Wednesday just gone, and I've only just gotten the courage
> to post, 'cos I was soooo disappointed... I hadn't lost anything (but
> I also hadn't gained anything so thats a blessing...)

Good. Think positive!
>
> The leader of my group also gave me such a hard time that there was no
> way I was going to stay for the motivational chat - she looked at my
> journal and said "well thats no good, and you can't eat that, and no
> wonder you didn;t lose anything" and stuff like that - nothing
> encouraging like "if you'd done this instead" ...

That is so unfair! Ask round and see if she's done this to others, or
if you can, see for yourself if she does it to someone else next week.
if she does, try to find another meeting to go to! Every leader is
different: ours is great, very up-beat, very positive, very
understanding of the gains.
>
> The main problem was that I'd spent last weekend working at a
> rubber-stamping show in London, been on my feet all day both days and
> on the Saturday hadn't had a break to be able to go get something to
> eat - I managed to scoff 2 WW chocolate crisp bars between customers
> but basically spent the whole day on the till and credit-card machine.
> On the way home I bought a large amount of KFC and had that when I got
> in at 8pm... all pointed and accounted for mind... now my friend
> Debbie says that there was probably too much fat consumed in one go,
> and that my body may not have been able to break it all down... but
> the leader had great trouble in believing that I'd been unable to have
> a break and basically tore me off a shred IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ELSE
> waiting to get weighed...

I think Debbie has a point. I find that if I eat the wrong things, even
if I stay within my points, I don't lose, or even gain! Lots of fibre,
lots of water, keep up the exercise, and eat things that are not too
point heavy.
>
> How I stopped myself crying in front of her I do not know - I felt so
> small... it was my first week and I'm still trying to work out what I
> can and can't eat and how to do it - you'd have thought she'd have
> been a little more lax with me and given me some encouraging comments
> rather than slagging me off. The only good thing she said was, that if
> I hadn't lost any weight after 4 weeks she'd give me my money back...

Giving you the cash back doesn't absolve her! It was bloody rude! Have
a ((((((HUG)))))). Being over weight is demoralizing enough without
being harangued by the very person who is supposed ti be helping.
>
> Apart from the weekend I had been so careful to look at the points of
> what I was eating, and to try and spread out my meals so I was eating
> little and often - not easy when I work in an office where I'm not
> really supposed to eat at my desk, but fruit is ok... its also
> extremely hard to adjust to a diet containing 5 portions of fruit and
> veg when usually I only have 1 - before you jump on me I know that
> what I used to eat was appallingly bad for me, for example the idea of
> having 2 vegetables with an evening meal was completely alien, one was
> bad enough... we don't even have a vegetable rack for storing veggies
> in for heavens sake...

When it's a complete re-think it's very hard to get your head round it.
Doesn't matter WHY you ate like you did - you now know better, and have
been trying to correct it. Try it this way: Have an apple mid morning
rather than a bikki with your tea/coffee. Keep a bottle of water with
you, and drink a mug of water for every mug of tea/coffee. Have a
banana with your lunch. There's two down, only 3 to go! If it's that
sort of meal, do carrots and a green veg for dinner - 2 more portions!
And finish with a small can of fruit in unsweetened juice for desert -
there you are! All 5 done and dusted!

Another way is to include lots of veg in any stew or casserole you make
- enough to get between one and two servings of veg with the portion of
casserole.

I only keep spuds and onions in my veg rack - everything else goes in
the fridge! As you work through your stocks of less appropriate fridge
fillings, you will make room for more fresh veg. I am full of vegetable
ideas - email me if you want more, or even phone me (I'm in the book, so
not hard to find, or you can email me and I'll send the phone number).
>
> So, I am still 17st 2.5lb (according to their scales that is,
> according to mine I had lost 4lb but there you go) but this week I am
> determined to lose something and prove to myself that I am capable of
> doing so. Reading this NG is at least comforting to know that I have
> friends out there who know what I am going through, and will
> (hopefully!) support me and encourge me. And my friend Debbie who has
> decided to come with me can stop me from physically slapping the
> leader when I next see her...
>
Take a look at weigh in night: what did you eat or drink prior to
going? When did you weigh at home? And what were you wearing? If you
weighed in the morning, you probably did weigh less than you would in
the evening. If you had heavier clothes on, that would also make a
difference. The other thing is that unless you have brand new
electronic scales, theirs are likely to be more accurate than the home
scales - they have to be calibrated and serviced regularly. I do NOT
weigh at home, not ever! My ancient rusting bathroom scales are about
as accurate as a guess! And I don't look at loss on a week by week
basis. If I've plateau'd for a month, I ask for a little extra advice.

Most people have a good loss the first week, but bump up and down a bit
after that. Some stay the same for the first week, and then have a
bigger woosh the second. There are LOTS of factors involved, and you
did have a busy weekend, without the chance to get organized properly.

One if the best things I learned was that whether you follow their menu
suggestions or not, planning the main meals for the week ahead, and
knowing roughly what I'll have each day for breakfast and lunch, is a
BIIIIG help. I try hard to plan all the meals, make a shopping list
from the plan, and then I get DH to shop according to the list! That
way I'm not there to be tempted by the special offer on bagels, cheese
and sausages as I go round!

DH did his best to sabotage that this week - we came home from a rotten
trip to Canterbury (NO parking, place gridlocked!) past the best butcher
for miles, and he said, 'Oh, Doughty's is still open! Let's buy half a
cow!' Well, not quite, but instead of chicken and mushroom stroganoff,
we are having roast pork, roast potatoes and veggies fer dinner tomorrow
night! The points work out much the same... I also have a couple of
pounds of sausage meat in the freezer, and two pounds of sausages
waiting to be bagged in one pound lots for freezing, plus a pile of
rather nice cheese including some goat, some Yarg, a Cornish organic
Camembert type, and some marinated Greek olives... Sabotage from left
and right! James wanted beef or lamb for dinner, but I vetoed that on
gall bladder grounds. Usually these two are very supportive, so I'm
inclined to indulge them this once, and I will save a few points for a
nibble of cheese!

Shout if you need more help - it's what we're here for!

--
Kate XXXXXX
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

[Deb in Northern California]

Suzie,

That "person" should be taken out of that center, that is uncalled for
behavior. I would ask for the center director to tell them how you were
treated and in front of other clients too. There is no excuse for putting
someone down the way she did you. If you can not get any satisfaction from
the center director, I would go above them and if necessary write to the
corporate headquarters about this leaders so called "support." Weight
Watchers is not that way and please don't let one bad experience with this
person keep you from coming back. See if there is another meeting that a
different person is working at, so you do not have to encounter this
"person" again.

Debbie

319.4/297.4/170
mini-goal for Jan 1, 2004 (289)

"Paul & Suzie Beckwith" > wrote in message
...
> ...was on Wednesday just gone, and I've only just gotten the courage
> to post, 'cos I was soooo disappointed... I hadn't lost anything (but
> I also hadn't gained anything so thats a blessing...)
>
> The leader of my group also gave me such a hard time that there was no
> way I was going to stay for the motivational chat - she looked at my
> journal and said "well thats no good, and you can't eat that, and no
> wonder you didn;t lose anything" and stuff like that - nothing
> encouraging like "if you'd done this instead" ...
>
> The main problem was that I'd spent last weekend working at a
> rubber-stamping show in London, been on my feet all day both days and
> on the Saturday hadn't had a break to be able to go get something to
> eat - I managed to scoff 2 WW chocolate crisp bars between customers
> but basically spent the whole day on the till and credit-card machine.
> On the way home I bought a large amount of KFC and had that when I got
> in at 8pm... all pointed and accounted for mind... now my friend
> Debbie says that there was probably too much fat consumed in one go,
> and that my body may not have been able to break it all down... but
> the leader had great trouble in believing that I'd been unable to have
> a break and basically tore me off a shred IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ELSE
> waiting to get weighed...
>
> How I stopped myself crying in front of her I do not know - I felt so
> small... it was my first week and I'm still trying to work out what I
> can and can't eat and how to do it - you'd have thought she'd have
> been a little more lax with me and given me some encouraging comments
> rather than slagging me off. The only good thing she said was, that if
> I hadn't lost any weight after 4 weeks she'd give me my money back...
>
> Apart from the weekend I had been so careful to look at the points of
> what I was eating, and to try and spread out my meals so I was eating
> little and often - not easy when I work in an office where I'm not
> really supposed to eat at my desk, but fruit is ok... its also
> extremely hard to adjust to a diet containing 5 portions of fruit and
> veg when usually I only have 1 - before you jump on me I know that
> what I used to eat was appallingly bad for me, for example the idea of
> having 2 vegetables with an evening meal was completely alien, one was
> bad enough... we don't even have a vegetable rack for storing veggies
> in for heavens sake...
>
> So, I am still 17st 2.5lb (according to their scales that is,
> according to mine I had lost 4lb but there you go) but this week I am
> determined to lose something and prove to myself that I am capable of
> doing so. Reading this NG is at least comforting to know that I have
> friends out there who know what I am going through, and will
> (hopefully!) support me and encourge me. And my friend Debbie who has
> decided to come with me can stop me from physically slapping the
> leader when I next see her...
>
> Suzie B
> Down but not out...
> --
> "From the internet connection under the pier"
> Southend, UK
> http://community.webshots.com/user/suziekga
>

[Carol in NC]

Hi Suzie,

I'm really sorry you had such an appalling encounter with the leader. I had
one like that one time, and I left and never went back to that meeting.
They have been through the process. In my mind, it's imperative that they
are supportive to newcomers.

If you want to post some of your daily journal entries on here, I'm sure
we'll be able to help you get going in the right direction.

Next week will be better...and congratulations for not giving up.

Carol

--
.................................................. ...........
318/250/169
68 lost since December 2002
I am a slim person in process.
.................................................. .............
"Paul & Suzie Beckwith" > wrote in message
...
> ...was on Wednesday just gone, and I've only just gotten the courage
> to post, 'cos I was soooo disappointed... I hadn't lost anything (but
> I also hadn't gained anything so thats a blessing...)
>
> The leader of my group also gave me such a hard time that there was no
> way I was going to stay for the motivational chat - she looked at my
> journal and said "well thats no good, and you can't eat that, and no
> wonder you didn;t lose anything" and stuff like that - nothing
> encouraging like "if you'd done this instead" ...
>
> The main problem was that I'd spent last weekend working at a
> rubber-stamping show in London, been on my feet all day both days and
> on the Saturday hadn't had a break to be able to go get something to
> eat - I managed to scoff 2 WW chocolate crisp bars between customers
> but basically spent the whole day on the till and credit-card machine.
> On the way home I bought a large amount of KFC and had that when I got
> in at 8pm... all pointed and accounted for mind... now my friend
> Debbie says that there was probably too much fat consumed in one go,
> and that my body may not have been able to break it all down... but
> the leader had great trouble in believing that I'd been unable to have
> a break and basically tore me off a shred IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ELSE
> waiting to get weighed...
>
> How I stopped myself crying in front of her I do not know - I felt so
> small... it was my first week and I'm still trying to work out what I
> can and can't eat and how to do it - you'd have thought she'd have
> been a little more lax with me and given me some encouraging comments
> rather than slagging me off. The only good thing she said was, that if
> I hadn't lost any weight after 4 weeks she'd give me my money back...
>
> Apart from the weekend I had been so careful to look at the points of
> what I was eating, and to try and spread out my meals so I was eating
> little and often - not easy when I work in an office where I'm not
> really supposed to eat at my desk, but fruit is ok... its also
> extremely hard to adjust to a diet containing 5 portions of fruit and
> veg when usually I only have 1 - before you jump on me I know that
> what I used to eat was appallingly bad for me, for example the idea of
> having 2 vegetables with an evening meal was completely alien, one was
> bad enough... we don't even have a vegetable rack for storing veggies
> in for heavens sake...
>
> So, I am still 17st 2.5lb (according to their scales that is,
> according to mine I had lost 4lb but there you go) but this week I am
> determined to lose something and prove to myself that I am capable of
> doing so. Reading this NG is at least comforting to know that I have
> friends out there who know what I am going through, and will
> (hopefully!) support me and encourge me. And my friend Debbie who has
> decided to come with me can stop me from physically slapping the
> leader when I next see her...
>
> Suzie B
> Down but not out...
> --
> "From the internet connection under the pier"
> Southend, UK
> http://community.webshots.com/user/suziekga
>

[Elaine Kirkham]

Geez - what a horrible leader you got! Can you go to another class? Well
at least you won't get anything but encouragement here. You did your best
and should be congratulated! It's a shame there are leaders like that - I
know I would have walked out on here and probably in tears also. Let's
hope she had a bad day and will be better this coming week. Wish you luck.

Elaine K
331.4/202.8/179

Paul & Suzie Beckwith wrote:

> ...was on Wednesday just gone, and I've only just gotten the courage
> to post, 'cos I was soooo disappointed... I hadn't lost anything (but
> I also hadn't gained anything so thats a blessing...)
>
> The leader of my group also gave me such a hard time that there was no
> way I was going to stay for the motivational chat - she looked at my
> journal and said "well thats no good, and you can't eat that, and no
> wonder you didn;t lose anything" and stuff like that - nothing
> encouraging like "if you'd done this instead" ...
>
> The main problem was that I'd spent last weekend working at a
> rubber-stamping show in London, been on my feet all day both days and
> on the Saturday hadn't had a break to be able to go get something to
> eat - I managed to scoff 2 WW chocolate crisp bars between customers
> but basically spent the whole day on the till and credit-card machine.
> On the way home I bought a large amount of KFC and had that when I got
> in at 8pm... all pointed and accounted for mind... now my friend
> Debbie says that there was probably too much fat consumed in one go,
> and that my body may not have been able to break it all down... but
> the leader had great trouble in believing that I'd been unable to have
> a break and basically tore me off a shred IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ELSE
> waiting to get weighed...
>
> How I stopped myself crying in front of her I do not know - I felt so
> small... it was my first week and I'm still trying to work out what I
> can and can't eat and how to do it - you'd have thought she'd have
> been a little more lax with me and given me some encouraging comments
> rather than slagging me off. The only good thing she said was, that if
> I hadn't lost any weight after 4 weeks she'd give me my money back...
>
> Apart from the weekend I had been so careful to look at the points of
> what I was eating, and to try and spread out my meals so I was eating
> little and often - not easy when I work in an office where I'm not
> really supposed to eat at my desk, but fruit is ok... its also
> extremely hard to adjust to a diet containing 5 portions of fruit and
> veg when usually I only have 1 - before you jump on me I know that
> what I used to eat was appallingly bad for me, for example the idea of
> having 2 vegetables with an evening meal was completely alien, one was
> bad enough... we don't even have a vegetable rack for storing veggies
> in for heavens sake...
>
> So, I am still 17st 2.5lb (according to their scales that is,
> according to mine I had lost 4lb but there you go) but this week I am
> determined to lose something and prove to myself that I am capable of
> doing so. Reading this NG is at least comforting to know that I have
> friends out there who know what I am going through, and will
> (hopefully!) support me and encourge me. And my friend Debbie who has
> decided to come with me can stop me from physically slapping the
> leader when I next see her...
>
> Suzie B
> Down but not out...
> --
> "From the internet connection under the pier"
> Southend, UK
> http://community.webshots.com/user/suziekga

[Donna in Idaho \(remove invalid\)]

Suzie,

I agree with Debbie. Go over her head. If you don't get any satisfaction
from the leader, write to headquarters, wherever that might be. WW
employees, whether the leader or the weighers-in, are supposed to be
supportive, not tear you down.

That was completely absolutely uncalled for. I know how hard it is to stay
on points when you're working a show. I gave up trying to keep on point
last weekend at the quilt show - it just wasn't possible.

Stick with it Suzie. It is hard to completely change your way of eating.
We'll help, just keep posting and asking questions. You know how we
quilters are - we always have an opinion and lots and lots of answers! >:-)

Hugs,
Donna

--
Donna in Idaho!
Project Linus Boise/SW Idaho Coordinator
Website: http://donnakwilts.tripod.com/

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The ultimate inspiration is the deadline!
"Deb in Northern California" > wrote in message
...
> Suzie,
>
> That "person" should be taken out of that center, that is uncalled for
> behavior. I would ask for the center director to tell them how you were
> treated and in front of other clients too. There is no excuse for putting
> someone down the way she did you. If you can not get any satisfaction
from
> the center director, I would go above them and if necessary write to the
> corporate headquarters about this leaders so called "support." Weight
> Watchers is not that way and please don't let one bad experience with this
> person keep you from coming back. See if there is another meeting that a
> different person is working at, so you do not have to encounter this
> "person" again.
>
> Debbie
>
> 319.4/297.4/170
> mini-goal for Jan 1, 2004 (289)
>

[Coleen]

Suzie --

You can do this. I am so sorry that your leader was not more inspirational
and encouraging. We will help you. Hang in there.

Coleen

"Paul & Suzie Beckwith" > wrote in message
...
> ...was on Wednesday just gone, and I've only just gotten the courage
> to post, 'cos I was soooo disappointed... I hadn't lost anything (but
> I also hadn't gained anything so thats a blessing...)
>
> The leader of my group also gave me such a hard time that there was no
> way I was going to stay for the motivational chat - she looked at my
> journal and said "well thats no good, and you can't eat that, and no
> wonder you didn;t lose anything" and stuff like that - nothing
> encouraging like "if you'd done this instead" ...
>
> The main problem was that I'd spent last weekend working at a
> rubber-stamping show in London, been on my feet all day both days and
> on the Saturday hadn't had a break to be able to go get something to
> eat - I managed to scoff 2 WW chocolate crisp bars between customers
> but basically spent the whole day on the till and credit-card machine.
> On the way home I bought a large amount of KFC and had that when I got
> in at 8pm... all pointed and accounted for mind... now my friend
> Debbie says that there was probably too much fat consumed in one go,
> and that my body may not have been able to break it all down... but
> the leader had great trouble in believing that I'd been unable to have
> a break and basically tore me off a shred IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ELSE
> waiting to get weighed...
>
> How I stopped myself crying in front of her I do not know - I felt so
> small... it was my first week and I'm still trying to work out what I
> can and can't eat and how to do it - you'd have thought she'd have
> been a little more lax with me and given me some encouraging comments
> rather than slagging me off. The only good thing she said was, that if
> I hadn't lost any weight after 4 weeks she'd give me my money back...
>
> Apart from the weekend I had been so careful to look at the points of
> what I was eating, and to try and spread out my meals so I was eating
> little and often - not easy when I work in an office where I'm not
> really supposed to eat at my desk, but fruit is ok... its also
> extremely hard to adjust to a diet containing 5 portions of fruit and
> veg when usually I only have 1 - before you jump on me I know that
> what I used to eat was appallingly bad for me, for example the idea of
> having 2 vegetables with an evening meal was completely alien, one was
> bad enough... we don't even have a vegetable rack for storing veggies
> in for heavens sake...
>
> So, I am still 17st 2.5lb (according to their scales that is,
> according to mine I had lost 4lb but there you go) but this week I am
> determined to lose something and prove to myself that I am capable of
> doing so. Reading this NG is at least comforting to know that I have
> friends out there who know what I am going through, and will
> (hopefully!) support me and encourge me. And my friend Debbie who has
> decided to come with me can stop me from physically slapping the
> leader when I next see her...
>
> Suzie B
> Down but not out...
> --
> "From the internet connection under the pier"
> Southend, UK
> http://community.webshots.com/user/suziekga
>

[Erin Marsh]

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 22:15:06 GMT,
(Paul & Suzie Beckwith) wrote:

>...was on Wednesday just gone, and I've only just gotten the courage
>to post, 'cos I was soooo disappointed... I hadn't lost anything (but
>I also hadn't gained anything so thats a blessing...)

A positive attitude is a great thing to have. Hang on to that!
>
>The leader of my group also gave me such a hard time that there was no
>way I was going to stay for the motivational chat - she looked at my
>journal and said "well thats no good, and you can't eat that, and no
>wonder you didn;t lose anything" and stuff like that - nothing
>encouraging like "if you'd done this instead" ...

What a bitch!!! She had no right to talk to you like that. Her job
should be to encourage and support, not criticise and tear down. I'd
submit a formal complaint about her if I were you.

> Reading this NG is at least comforting to know that I have
>friends out there who know what I am going through, and will
>(hopefully!) support me and encourge me. And my friend Debbie who has
>decided to come with me can stop me from physically slapping the
>leader when I next see her...

This group is always a great source of support, no matter when
direction those scales are moving in. I hope your friend Debbie will
be able to hold you back next week ;-) Maybe if you're lucky, she
might slap the leader for you ;-)
>
>Suzie B
>Down but not out...

You hang in there girl. You can do this!
--
Erin in NZ
125/90.5/75 kgs
275.3/199.3/165 lbs

NYNY goal 180.6lbs (82 kilos)

"It is not the mountain we conquer, it is ourselves"
Sir Edmund Hilary

[Brenda Hammond]

Sorry your first WI went so bad. The leader sounds awful. I would also put
in a formal complaint and probably find another meeting to go to. Glad you
haven't given up Suzie. We're all pretty easy going here, so if you have
questions, just ask. We're to support and offer any help we can. Good luck
girl!
--
Brenda
209/174/150
NYNY goal 160

"Paul & Suzie Beckwith" > wrote in message
...
> ...was on Wednesday just gone, and I've only just gotten the courage
> to post, 'cos I was soooo disappointed... I hadn't lost anything (but
> I also hadn't gained anything so thats a blessing...)
>
> The leader of my group also gave me such a hard time that there was no
> way I was going to stay for the motivational chat - she looked at my
> journal and said "well thats no good, and you can't eat that, and no
> wonder you didn;t lose anything" and stuff like that - nothing
> encouraging like "if you'd done this instead" ...
>
> The main problem was that I'd spent last weekend working at a
> rubber-stamping show in London, been on my feet all day both days and
> on the Saturday hadn't had a break to be able to go get something to
> eat - I managed to scoff 2 WW chocolate crisp bars between customers
> but basically spent the whole day on the till and credit-card machine.
> On the way home I bought a large amount of KFC and had that when I got
> in at 8pm... all pointed and accounted for mind... now my friend
> Debbie says that there was probably too much fat consumed in one go,
> and that my body may not have been able to break it all down... but
> the leader had great trouble in believing that I'd been unable to have
> a break and basically tore me off a shred IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ELSE
> waiting to get weighed...
>
> How I stopped myself crying in front of her I do not know - I felt so
> small... it was my first week and I'm still trying to work out what I
> can and can't eat and how to do it - you'd have thought she'd have
> been a little more lax with me and given me some encouraging comments
> rather than slagging me off. The only good thing she said was, that if
> I hadn't lost any weight after 4 weeks she'd give me my money back...
>
> Apart from the weekend I had been so careful to look at the points of
> what I was eating, and to try and spread out my meals so I was eating
> little and often - not easy when I work in an office where I'm not
> really supposed to eat at my desk, but fruit is ok... its also
> extremely hard to adjust to a diet containing 5 portions of fruit and
> veg when usually I only have 1 - before you jump on me I know that
> what I used to eat was appallingly bad for me, for example the idea of
> having 2 vegetables with an evening meal was completely alien, one was
> bad enough... we don't even have a vegetable rack for storing veggies
> in for heavens sake...
>
> So, I am still 17st 2.5lb (according to their scales that is,
> according to mine I had lost 4lb but there you go) but this week I am
> determined to lose something and prove to myself that I am capable of
> doing so. Reading this NG is at least comforting to know that I have
> friends out there who know what I am going through, and will
> (hopefully!) support me and encourge me. And my friend Debbie who has
> decided to come with me can stop me from physically slapping the
> leader when I next see her...
>
> Suzie B
> Down but not out...
> --
> "From the internet connection under the pier"
> Southend, UK
> http://community.webshots.com/user/suziekga
>

[Michelle Guy]

Snip>
>The leader of my group also gave me such a hard time that there was no
>way I was going to stay for the motivational chat - she looked at my
>journal and said "well thats no good, and you can't eat that, and no
>wonder you didn;t lose anything" and stuff like that - nothing
>encouraging like "if you'd done this instead" ...
>
snip>
>How I stopped myself crying in front of her I do not know - I felt so
>small... it was my first week and I'm still trying to work out what I
>can and can't eat and how to do it - you'd have thought she'd have
>been a little more lax with me and given me some encouraging comments
>rather than slagging me off. The only good thing she said was, that if
>I hadn't lost any weight after 4 weeks she'd give me my money back...
>
>Apart from the weekend I had been so careful to look at the points of
>what I was eating, and to try and spread out my meals so I was eating
>little and often - not easy when I work in an office where I'm not
>really supposed to eat at my desk, but fruit is ok... its also
>extremely hard to adjust to a diet containing 5 portions of fruit and
>veg when usually I only have 1 - before you jump on me I know that
>what I used to eat was appallingly bad for me, for example the idea of
>having 2 vegetables with an evening meal was completely alien, one was
>bad enough... we don't even have a vegetable rack for storing veggies
>in for heavens sake...
snip>
>Suzie B
>Down but not out...
Down but not out what a great attitude. I am sure you will get the
hang of the program, my first week was also not good in terms of
weight loss, but as I got more fruit and veg into my diet things got
better. Start off with veges that you do like then find ways of
sneaking in extras. I add 1 finely grated apple with peel to my
breakfast cereal instead of sugar, or a vege soup as a starter to a
meal. Add a salad on the side ( but watch the dressing). How about a
stir fry with just a little oil. Believe me it does get easier. As a
once Veg-hater I now have discovered many veges that I do like. Don't
let your leader get you down. You didn't gain so this is Progress,
keep up your efforts
Michelle
Ozzie in Switzerland

WW WI 69.8 / 65.6 / 61kg 134 lbs

[ray miller]

> basically tore me off a shred IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ELSE
> waiting to get weighed...

Tough love is sometimes a good idea. But it's got to be done
positively. I agree that eating KFC is not a good choice, but giving
you a ticking off in public isn't going to get you following WW any
quicker. I'm not sure what I would have eaten in your circumstances -
maybe beans on toast, or a steak sandwich. It sounds like this was one
occasion when you had to get something to eat quickly 'cos you were at
the end of your tether. Trouble is when you do that you probably have
to sacrifice a loss that week. It's just a shame it happened on your
first weigh-in.

Can you go to another WW meeting?

You now have to put this behind you. Don't let it get you down. You
have to stay OP and your next WI will have all next weeks loss and a
bit more from this week too!

Good luck

Ray
--
rmnsuk
overall - 273/203/182
swwc - 205/203/192

[Nathalie W]

I 'm sorry you had such a disappointing weigh-in, Suzie. But don't give up!
Could you check if there are other meetings with other leaders close to you
?
Meanwhile, if I can help you with veggies, just ask! I 'm a vegetarian so
basically half of my food or more is veggies and I have plenty of ideas!
What you could do is post one day's menu, and we could make some suggestions
for you.
Hang in there, I 'm sure next week will be better!
--
Nathalie from Belgium
134.1/103.1/minigoal 102.3 Goal 68 Kg
295.6/227.3/minigoal 225.6/Goal 150 pounds
NYNY 227.3/227.3/214

"Paul & Suzie Beckwith" > wrote in message
...
> ...was on Wednesday just gone, and I've only just gotten the courage
> to post, 'cos I was soooo disappointed... I hadn't lost anything (but
> I also hadn't gained anything so thats a blessing...)
>
> The leader of my group also gave me such a hard time that there was no
> way I was going to stay for the motivational chat - she looked at my
> journal and said "well thats no good, and you can't eat that, and no
> wonder you didn;t lose anything" and stuff like that - nothing
> encouraging like "if you'd done this instead" ...
>
> The main problem was that I'd spent last weekend working at a
> rubber-stamping show in London, been on my feet all day both days and
> on the Saturday hadn't had a break to be able to go get something to
> eat - I managed to scoff 2 WW chocolate crisp bars between customers
> but basically spent the whole day on the till and credit-card machine.
> On the way home I bought a large amount of KFC and had that when I got
> in at 8pm... all pointed and accounted for mind... now my friend
> Debbie says that there was probably too much fat consumed in one go,
> and that my body may not have been able to break it all down... but
> the leader had great trouble in believing that I'd been unable to have
> a break and basically tore me off a shred IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ELSE
> waiting to get weighed...
>
> How I stopped myself crying in front of her I do not know - I felt so
> small... it was my first week and I'm still trying to work out what I
> can and can't eat and how to do it - you'd have thought she'd have
> been a little more lax with me and given me some encouraging comments
> rather than slagging me off. The only good thing she said was, that if
> I hadn't lost any weight after 4 weeks she'd give me my money back...
>
> Apart from the weekend I had been so careful to look at the points of
> what I was eating, and to try and spread out my meals so I was eating
> little and often - not easy when I work in an office where I'm not
> really supposed to eat at my desk, but fruit is ok... its also
> extremely hard to adjust to a diet containing 5 portions of fruit and
> veg when usually I only have 1 - before you jump on me I know that
> what I used to eat was appallingly bad for me, for example the idea of
> having 2 vegetables with an evening meal was completely alien, one was
> bad enough... we don't even have a vegetable rack for storing veggies
> in for heavens sake...
>
> So, I am still 17st 2.5lb (according to their scales that is,
> according to mine I had lost 4lb but there you go) but this week I am
> determined to lose something and prove to myself that I am capable of
> doing so. Reading this NG is at least comforting to know that I have
> friends out there who know what I am going through, and will
> (hopefully!) support me and encourge me. And my friend Debbie who has
> decided to come with me can stop me from physically slapping the
> leader when I next see her...
>
> Suzie B
> Down but not out...
> --
> "From the internet connection under the pier"
> Southend, UK
> http://community.webshots.com/user/suziekga
>

[Prairie Roots]

I'm sorry your first WI was so disappointing and so emotionally
challenging as well. Learning new eating habits and learning to plan
for out-of-routine occasions and learning your own personal pitfalls
and avoidance tactics takes loads of time. We're all still learning,
so don't beat yourself up for not getting it right in your first week.

And shame on your leader for beating you up. Bully for her if weight
loss is easy. But for the rest of us mere mortals, weight loss is one
of the most difficult things we'll ever do our lives.

Regardless of what you decide to do about your meeting, participating
in this NG will compensate for a lot of the support you're NOT
currently getting from your live meeting.

Keep coming back.

Prairie Roots

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 22:15:06 GMT,
(Paul & Suzie Beckwith) wrote:

>...was on Wednesday just gone, and I've only just gotten the courage
>to post, 'cos I was soooo disappointed... I hadn't lost anything (but
>I also hadn't gained anything so thats a blessing...)

[Annie]

That's an awful way to treat someone! I'm so sorry you had such an
unsupportive leader. You really should look into changing to someone
else. I do WWOnline, so I don't have to deal with things like these
but I can just image how horrid it must feel.

Don't let her make you give up! I'm sure you'll get the hang of it
soon and really, there's just no excuse for her behaviour.

Annie.

(Paul & Suzie Beckwith) wrote in message >...
> ...was on Wednesday just gone, and I've only just gotten the courage
> to post, 'cos I was soooo disappointed... I hadn't lost anything (but
> I also hadn't gained anything so thats a blessing...)
>
> The leader of my group also gave me such a hard time that there was no
> way I was going to stay for the motivational chat - she looked at my
> journal and said "well thats no good, and you can't eat that, and no
> wonder you didn;t lose anything" and stuff like that - nothing
> encouraging like "if you'd done this instead" ...
>

[Connie Walsh]

OHHH Suzie, that makes me so mad for you. That leader didn't make your
first weigh in very nice. There is not much you can do about people in
the world like that. They don't seem to understand the effect they have
on others. I hope you can find another leader!! Lots of support here!!!

Connie

--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/218.5/155
10% 241.5/218.5/217.5
25 lbs lost 241.5/218.5/216.5


Paul & Suzie Beckwith wrote:
> ...was on Wednesday just gone, and I've only just gotten the courage
> to post, 'cos I was soooo disappointed... I hadn't lost anything (but
> I also hadn't gained anything so thats a blessing...)
>
> The leader of my group also gave me such a hard time that there was no
> way I was going to stay for the motivational chat - she looked at my
> journal and said "well thats no good, and you can't eat that, and no
> wonder you didn;t lose anything" and stuff like that - nothing
> encouraging like "if you'd done this instead" ...
>
> The main problem was that I'd spent last weekend working at a
> rubber-stamping show in London, been on my feet all day both days and
> on the Saturday hadn't had a break to be able to go get something to
> eat - I managed to scoff 2 WW chocolate crisp bars between customers
> but basically spent the whole day on the till and credit-card machine.
> On the way home I bought a large amount of KFC and had that when I got
> in at 8pm... all pointed and accounted for mind... now my friend
> Debbie says that there was probably too much fat consumed in one go,
> and that my body may not have been able to break it all down... but
> the leader had great trouble in believing that I'd been unable to have
> a break and basically tore me off a shred IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ELSE
> waiting to get weighed...
>
> How I stopped myself crying in front of her I do not know - I felt so
> small... it was my first week and I'm still trying to work out what I
> can and can't eat and how to do it - you'd have thought she'd have
> been a little more lax with me and given me some encouraging comments
> rather than slagging me off. The only good thing she said was, that if
> I hadn't lost any weight after 4 weeks she'd give me my money back...
>
> Apart from the weekend I had been so careful to look at the points of
> what I was eating, and to try and spread out my meals so I was eating
> little and often - not easy when I work in an office where I'm not
> really supposed to eat at my desk, but fruit is ok... its also
> extremely hard to adjust to a diet containing 5 portions of fruit and
> veg when usually I only have 1 - before you jump on me I know that
> what I used to eat was appallingly bad for me, for example the idea of
> having 2 vegetables with an evening meal was completely alien, one was
> bad enough... we don't even have a vegetable rack for storing veggies
> in for heavens sake...
>
> So, I am still 17st 2.5lb (according to their scales that is,
> according to mine I had lost 4lb but there you go) but this week I am
> determined to lose something and prove to myself that I am capable of
> doing so. Reading this NG is at least comforting to know that I have
> friends out there who know what I am going through, and will
> (hopefully!) support me and encourge me. And my friend Debbie who has
> decided to come with me can stop me from physically slapping the
> leader when I next see her...
>
> Suzie B
> Down but not out...
> --
> "From the internet connection under the pier"
> Southend, UK
> http://community.webshots.com/user/suziekga
>

[Paul & Suzie Beckwith]

Thank you all so much for your encouraging words - it means a lot to
me to know that there are nice dieters out there! At least she won't
be there this Wednesday - shes on holiday!!!

Rather than complaining straight away, I'm gonna talk to other people
on Wednesday to see if thats her normal attitude. She may well have
been having a bad day herself, as has been suggested. But if it is,
then I will certainly make my hurt feelings known. I may be *fat*, but
I still have the same rights as *thin* people...

I'd like to change meetings, but this one is conveniently round the
corner from me, on my way home from work in fact, and is at 6.30pm in
the evening. From what I can gather, altho there are 4-5 other
meetings around me, they are either during my working hours, or from
what I gather run by the same leader... however I will ring WW
tomorrow and find out.

I am having trouble with the veggie side of things tho, but will
persevere - Nathalie I may well be emailing you for ideas soon! Leader
scoffed at my idea that my lunchtime salad contained several portions
of vegetables - lettuce, cucumber, cherry tomatoes, beetroot,
mushroom, green pepper, and said "well thats all water - nothing good
for you there"... whilst I agree that some salad veg is water rather
than fibre, surely my salad would count as more than 1 portion?
Someone help me out here!

Suzie B
--
"From the internet connection under the pier"
Southend, UK
http://community.webshots.com/user/suziekga

[Donna in Idaho \(remove invalid\)]

I disagree with her assessment of salad vegetables. What kind of salad did
she want you to have? I think yours sounded pretty good. We usually have
lettuce, tomatoes, zucchinis (or cucumbers), celery, carrots, and green
peppers in our lunchtime salads. Not always the carrots and celery -
sometimes I'm out of those. We add chicken or turkey breast, lean ham, or
tuna to the salad for the protein we need.
--
Donna in Idaho!
Project Linus Boise/SW Idaho Coordinator
Website: http://donnakwilts.tripod.com/

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The ultimate inspiration is the deadline!
"Paul & Suzie Beckwith" > wrote in message
...
> Thank you all so much for your encouraging words - it means a lot to
> me to know that there are nice dieters out there! At least she won't
> be there this Wednesday - shes on holiday!!!
>
> Rather than complaining straight away, I'm gonna talk to other people
> on Wednesday to see if thats her normal attitude. She may well have
> been having a bad day herself, as has been suggested. But if it is,
> then I will certainly make my hurt feelings known. I may be *fat*, but
> I still have the same rights as *thin* people...
>
> I'd like to change meetings, but this one is conveniently round the
> corner from me, on my way home from work in fact, and is at 6.30pm in
> the evening. From what I can gather, altho there are 4-5 other
> meetings around me, they are either during my working hours, or from
> what I gather run by the same leader... however I will ring WW
> tomorrow and find out.
>
> I am having trouble with the veggie side of things tho, but will
> persevere - Nathalie I may well be emailing you for ideas soon! Leader
> scoffed at my idea that my lunchtime salad contained several portions
> of vegetables - lettuce, cucumber, cherry tomatoes, beetroot,
> mushroom, green pepper, and said "well thats all water - nothing good
> for you there"... whilst I agree that some salad veg is water rather
> than fibre, surely my salad would count as more than 1 portion?
> Someone help me out here!
>
> Suzie B
> --
> "From the internet connection under the pier"
> Southend, UK
> http://community.webshots.com/user/suziekga
>

[Kate Dicey]

Paul & Suzie Beckwith wrote:
>
> Thank you all so much for your encouraging words - it means a lot to
> me to know that there are nice dieters out there! At least she won't
> be there this Wednesday - shes on holiday!!!

Hehehe! Find out where her replacement usually has her meetings.
>
> Rather than complaining straight away, I'm gonna talk to other people
> on Wednesday to see if thats her normal attitude. She may well have
> been having a bad day herself, as has been suggested. But if it is,
> then I will certainly make my hurt feelings known. I may be *fat*, but
> I still have the same rights as *thin* people...

Cutting her a little slack is good, but she still sounds just plain mean
to me!
>
> I'd like to change meetings, but this one is conveniently round the
> corner from me, on my way home from work in fact, and is at 6.30pm in
> the evening. From what I can gather, altho there are 4-5 other
> meetings around me, they are either during my working hours, or from
> what I gather run by the same leader... however I will ring WW
> tomorrow and find out.

Good idea to let her know how you feel. My leader is great. and the
lady who fills in when she's away is also excellent. Different style,
and I prefer the one i go to, but neither would dream of telling you
what this woman told you!


>
> I am having trouble with the veggie side of things tho, but will
> persevere - Nathalie I may well be emailing you for ideas soon! Leader
> scoffed at my idea that my lunchtime salad contained several portions
> of vegetables - lettuce, cucumber, cherry tomatoes, beetroot,
> mushroom, green pepper, and said "well thats all water - nothing good
> for you there"... whilst I agree that some salad veg is water rather
> than fibre, surely my salad would count as more than 1 portion?
> Someone help me out here!

let me dig out me info on salads... Ha! Found it! Nice article from
Woman mag on salad leaves, rated in nutritional value from 1 (water in a
leaf!) to 10 ('super leaves')

Here are their ratings:

10: Super Leaves: water cress Doesn't keep well, buy little & often!),
Lambs Lettuce, Rocket, Baby spinach
9: Frisee, radicchio, chicory, Escarole, lollo rosso (totally
tasteless, this, but good nutritional value!)
8: Cos, Little Gem, iceberg (less nutritional value, but excellent
keeping quality in an iceberg!)

They didn't recommend anything further down the scale than these, but
they should give you a good variety to choose from.

Generally, the darker the leaves, the greater the nutritional value, and
dark green leaves are a good source of iron. Lettuce is an excellent
source of fibre, vitamins and minerals. To me a 'portion' of mixed
salad leaves is a good handful. If you also add grated carrot, peppers
(capsicums), mushrooms, and the like, a second portion would be an equal
volume of these veg. One large tomato (or two the size of Satsumas)
would be another portion. Tomatoes are also quite good for you:

Serving Size 1 medium tomato (148g)

Amount Per Serving

Calories 35
Calories from Fat 0

% of Daily Value*

Total Fat 0.5 g
1%

Saturated Fat 0g
0%
Cholesterol 0g
0%
Sodium 5mg
0%
Total Carbohydrate 7g
2%
Dietary Fiber 1g
4%
Sugars 4g
Protein 1g

Potassium 360mg
10%
Vitamin A
20%
Vitamin C
40%
Calcium
2%
Iron
2%

*Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000
calorie diet.

This tomato information from http://www.tomato.org/health/nutri.html

Blind her with science! Dig out all the nutritional values of a typical
salad lunch and give it to her!

Are you totally vegetarian? There are some excellent recipes in the WW
cook books, and quite a few that could be adapted to use Quorn, if you
like it. I am seriously addicted to cook books, so have lots, veggie
ones included.
>
> Suzie B
> --
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> Southend, UK
> http://community.webshots.com/user/suziekga

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[Catherine White]

Hi, Suzie, It's a shame your leader was cruel and mean. She might have been
having a bad day or she might be deranged. I had a lunatic leader once who
caused me to leave WW meetings for almost 2 years. I found a different
leader and now I am doing better.
"Paul & Suzie Beckwith" > wrote in message
...
> Thank you all so much for your encouraging words - it means a lot to
> me to know that there are nice dieters out there! At least she won't
> be there this Wednesday - shes on holiday!!!
>
> Rather than complaining straight away, I'm gonna talk to other people
> on Wednesday to see if thats her normal attitude. She may well have
> been having a bad day herself, as has been suggested. But if it is,
> then I will certainly make my hurt feelings known. I may be *fat*, but
> I still have the same rights as *thin* people...
>
> I'd like to change meetings, but this one is conveniently round the
> corner from me, on my way home from work in fact, and is at 6.30pm in
> the evening. From what I can gather, altho there are 4-5 other
> meetings around me, they are either during my working hours, or from
> what I gather run by the same leader... however I will ring WW
> tomorrow and find out.
>
> I am having trouble with the veggie side of things tho, but will
> persevere - Nathalie I may well be emailing you for ideas soon! Leader
> scoffed at my idea that my lunchtime salad contained several portions
> of vegetables - lettuce, cucumber, cherry tomatoes, beetroot,
> mushroom, green pepper, and said "well thats all water - nothing good
> for you there"... whilst I agree that some salad veg is water rather
> than fibre, surely my salad would count as more than 1 portion?
> Someone help me out here!
>
> Suzie B
> --
> "From the internet connection under the pier"
> Southend, UK
> http://community.webshots.com/user/suziekga
>

[ray miller]

>I am having trouble with the veggie side of things tho, but will
>persevere - Nathalie I may well be emailing you for ideas soon! Leader
>scoffed at my idea that my lunchtime salad contained several portions
>of vegetables - lettuce, cucumber, cherry tomatoes, beetroot,
>mushroom, green pepper, and said "well thats all water - nothing good
>for you there"... whilst I agree that some salad veg is water rather
>than fibre, surely my salad would count as more than 1 portion?
>Someone help me out here!

Mushrooms are very good for you, and pepper, and beetroot is a root
vegetable so it's not just water. I'll pass on the lettuce and
cucumber though, never found a use for them except garnish.
Apparently if you eat enough lettuce it's hallucinogenic!!

A very simple 'solid' vegatable that should satisfy your leader is
roasted carrot. peal a few medium carrots and bake them in the oven
with a spray of oil for an hour. Rather like roast parsnips. Don't cut
them too small or they'll burn.

I love cauliflower and broccoli, so I cut them up into manageable bits
and add to curries and chilli. I know it's not traditional but it
tastes good, and they bulk out a meal.

Finally pumpkin fried up with a bit of bacon (for fat and taste) goes
alongside a grilled chicken fillet instead of potatoes.

Don't stick to recipes, just cook what you have in your fridge and
you'll be OK.

Ray



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[Joyce]

Personally, I think your leader is either totally nuts or very unknowledgeable. I
have never heard anyone say that salad was not a vegetable. What the heck is it
them? My serving counts for salads vary. At dinner time I usually have a small
salad, count it as 1 serving. If I am having a large salad for lunch, I figure it
as 2 veggies ... 1 for the lettuce and 1 for all the veggies. I'm sure it could
be considered more, but by counting it as less it helps me to keep grabbing fruit
and veggies for snacks, etc. What's the worse that will happen? I may go over my
veggie count for the day? LOL

It's rather easy to sneak more veggies into your daily intake. I almost always
add veggies to my entrees when cooking. Lots of sliced onions, sweet peppers,
zucchini, yellow squash, mushrooms and tomatoes. They help to stretch the dish
out as well as getting in an extra veggie serving. I add a plain veggie with the
meal, and usually a salad. There is 3 servings already and it's only one meal.
Breakfast will always include a piece of sliced fruit ... melon, nectarine, pear,
peach, whatever I have in the fridge at the moment. For lunch I either have a
salad, or vegetable based soup, or pile on the tomatoes and lettuce on a sandwich
.... as well as fruit, cherry tomatoes, cucumber slices, etc. on the side. Baby
carrots are also wonderful but I avoid them ... until my dental work is all
complete. <grin>

Give it some time and you will find it just becomes second nature. It isn't easy
to change those habits all at once.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 132.2
Lifetime: 4/4/03

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:04:40 GMT, (Paul & Suzie
Beckwith) wrote:

>Thank you all so much for your encouraging words - it means a lot to
>me to know that there are nice dieters out there! At least she won't
>be there this Wednesday - shes on holiday!!!
>
>Rather than complaining straight away, I'm gonna talk to other people
>on Wednesday to see if thats her normal attitude. She may well have
>been having a bad day herself, as has been suggested. But if it is,
>then I will certainly make my hurt feelings known. I may be *fat*, but
>I still have the same rights as *thin* people...
>
>I'd like to change meetings, but this one is conveniently round the
>corner from me, on my way home from work in fact, and is at 6.30pm in
>the evening. From what I can gather, altho there are 4-5 other
>meetings around me, they are either during my working hours, or from
>what I gather run by the same leader... however I will ring WW
>tomorrow and find out.
>
>I am having trouble with the veggie side of things tho, but will
>persevere - Nathalie I may well be emailing you for ideas soon! Leader
>scoffed at my idea that my lunchtime salad contained several portions
>of vegetables - lettuce, cucumber, cherry tomatoes, beetroot,
>mushroom, green pepper, and said "well thats all water - nothing good
>for you there"... whilst I agree that some salad veg is water rather
>than fibre, surely my salad would count as more than 1 portion?
>Someone help me out here!
>
>Suzie B

[Kristin]

Oh man, Suzie. I"m so sorry you had to go through that with your horrible
"leader". Please do join another meeting somewhere close by, and stay FAR
FAR away from that b*tch! No one deserves such treatment. I would complain
to the "powers that be" if I were you.

Good luck and hang in there!

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"Paul & Suzie Beckwith" > wrote in message
...
> ...was on Wednesday just gone, and I've only just gotten the courage
> to post, 'cos I was soooo disappointed... I hadn't lost anything (but
> I also hadn't gained anything so thats a blessing...)
>
> The leader of my group also gave me such a hard time that there was no
> way I was going to stay for the motivational chat - she looked at my
> journal and said "well thats no good, and you can't eat that, and no
> wonder you didn;t lose anything" and stuff like that - nothing
> encouraging like "if you'd done this instead" ...
>
> The main problem was that I'd spent last weekend working at a
> rubber-stamping show in London, been on my feet all day both days and
> on the Saturday hadn't had a break to be able to go get something to
> eat - I managed to scoff 2 WW chocolate crisp bars between customers
> but basically spent the whole day on the till and credit-card machine.
> On the way home I bought a large amount of KFC and had that when I got
> in at 8pm... all pointed and accounted for mind... now my friend
> Debbie says that there was probably too much fat consumed in one go,
> and that my body may not have been able to break it all down... but
> the leader had great trouble in believing that I'd been unable to have
> a break and basically tore me off a shred IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ELSE
> waiting to get weighed...
>
> How I stopped myself crying in front of her I do not know - I felt so
> small... it was my first week and I'm still trying to work out what I
> can and can't eat and how to do it - you'd have thought she'd have
> been a little more lax with me and given me some encouraging comments
> rather than slagging me off. The only good thing she said was, that if
> I hadn't lost any weight after 4 weeks she'd give me my money back...
>
> Apart from the weekend I had been so careful to look at the points of
> what I was eating, and to try and spread out my meals so I was eating
> little and often - not easy when I work in an office where I'm not
> really supposed to eat at my desk, but fruit is ok... its also
> extremely hard to adjust to a diet containing 5 portions of fruit and
> veg when usually I only have 1 - before you jump on me I know that
> what I used to eat was appallingly bad for me, for example the idea of
> having 2 vegetables with an evening meal was completely alien, one was
> bad enough... we don't even have a vegetable rack for storing veggies
> in for heavens sake...
>
> So, I am still 17st 2.5lb (according to their scales that is,
> according to mine I had lost 4lb but there you go) but this week I am
> determined to lose something and prove to myself that I am capable of
> doing so. Reading this NG is at least comforting to know that I have
> friends out there who know what I am going through, and will
> (hopefully!) support me and encourge me. And my friend Debbie who has
> decided to come with me can stop me from physically slapping the
> leader when I next see her...
>
> Suzie B
> Down but not out...
> --
> "From the internet connection under the pier"
> Southend, UK
> http://community.webshots.com/user/suziekga
>

[Miss Violette]

reading from the archives again, I am sorry this happened to you, I hope
that as I read along and get caught up you stick with it and take control,
good luck, Lee
Paul & Suzie Beckwith > wrote in message
...
> ...was on Wednesday just gone, and I've only just gotten the courage
> to post, 'cos I was soooo disappointed... I hadn't lost anything (but
> I also hadn't gained anything so thats a blessing...)
>
> The leader of my group also gave me such a hard time that there was no
> way I was going to stay for the motivational chat - she looked at my
> journal and said "well thats no good, and you can't eat that, and no
> wonder you didn;t lose anything" and stuff like that - nothing
> encouraging like "if you'd done this instead" ...
>
> The main problem was that I'd spent last weekend working at a
> rubber-stamping show in London, been on my feet all day both days and
> on the Saturday hadn't had a break to be able to go get something to
> eat - I managed to scoff 2 WW chocolate crisp bars between customers
> but basically spent the whole day on the till and credit-card machine.
> On the way home I bought a large amount of KFC and had that when I got
> in at 8pm... all pointed and accounted for mind... now my friend
> Debbie says that there was probably too much fat consumed in one go,
> and that my body may not have been able to break it all down... but
> the leader had great trouble in believing that I'd been unable to have
> a break and basically tore me off a shred IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ELSE
> waiting to get weighed...
>
> How I stopped myself crying in front of her I do not know - I felt so
> small... it was my first week and I'm still trying to work out what I
> can and can't eat and how to do it - you'd have thought she'd have
> been a little more lax with me and given me some encouraging comments
> rather than slagging me off. The only good thing she said was, that if
> I hadn't lost any weight after 4 weeks she'd give me my money back...
>
> Apart from the weekend I had been so careful to look at the points of
> what I was eating, and to try and spread out my meals so I was eating
> little and often - not easy when I work in an office where I'm not
> really supposed to eat at my desk, but fruit is ok... its also
> extremely hard to adjust to a diet containing 5 portions of fruit and
> veg when usually I only have 1 - before you jump on me I know that
> what I used to eat was appallingly bad for me, for example the idea of
> having 2 vegetables with an evening meal was completely alien, one was
> bad enough... we don't even have a vegetable rack for storing veggies
> in for heavens sake...
>
> So, I am still 17st 2.5lb (according to their scales that is,
> according to mine I had lost 4lb but there you go) but this week I am
> determined to lose something and prove to myself that I am capable of
> doing so. Reading this NG is at least comforting to know that I have
> friends out there who know what I am going through, and will
> (hopefully!) support me and encourge me. And my friend Debbie who has
> decided to come with me can stop me from physically slapping the
> leader when I next see her...
>
> Suzie B
> Down but not out...
> --
> "From the internet connection under the pier"
> Southend, UK
> http://community.webshots.com/user/suziekga
>