Re: Should the morbidly obese ------

[Steve Chaney, aka Papa Gunnykins ®]

<MaryLou> wrote in message
...
> On 26 Sep 2003 14:38:07 +0200, Q*snort > wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Jacob wrote:
> >
> >>Should the morbidly obese be permiited to live among normal people.
> >
> >Excellent question, Jacob. The answer is no.
> >
> >Top 10 reasons fat people are not accepted:
> >
> >10. They are slow and slothlike, lumbering towards their destination,
> >blocking you from yours.
> >9. The cost society millions of dollars in obesity related diseases.
> >8. They ruin your dinner out because they are so digusting to look at as
> >they feed ravenously.
> >7. They smell like sweat and **** from the inability to reach themselves.
> >6. They don't bathe nearly as often as normal people.
> >5. They complain about everything and are generally rude and unpleasant
> >since they are so miserable.
> >4. They are always single-minded, looking for their next trough of food.
> >3. At movie theaters and on airplanes they always selfishly invade your
> >space.
> >2. They rarely try to lose weight and prefer to remain gluttonous hogs.
> >They usually lie about their diets.
> >1. They get in the way of looking at normal, thin, good-looking people.
> >
> >HTH
> >
> >S*nort
> >
>
> Very true on all counts. And they are this kind of beast by their
> own choosing. If they really exercised some self discipline and
> were self-respecting people they would not be morbidly obese.

This post needs to be printed and framed.

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[Chris Taylor Jr]

Below


> > >Top 10 reasons fat people are not accepted:
> > >
> > >10. They are slow and slothlike, lumbering towards their destination,
> > >blocking you from yours.

I am 365 pounds at 6'3" tall. Not sure what that is medically but I would
call that morbidly obese since I am 140 pounds overweight at least. although
most never guess my weight to be more than 280-300 (I wish I was that light)

I am faster than most people think. Faster than most people "are"

I also tend to move rather quickly. I do not like "wasting" time and
moveming from point to point any slower than needed is a wasting of precious
time.

> > >9. The(y) cost society millions of dollars in obesity related
diseases.

I cost society nothing. I have not had so much as a common cold for as long
as I can remember (over 20 years) my cholesterol BP etc.. are all FINE.
(fingers crossed)

> > >8. They ruin your dinner out because they are so digusting to look at
as
> > >they feed ravenously.

Actually I eat suprisingly little for my size. When I go away on trips
(many) we usually eat at buffets simple because of variety and
affordability. I eat one very large plate of salad (Obsessed with salad
which makes atkins hard) and a normalplate of food. I can never get through
more. I simply am full at that point.

> > >7. They smell like sweat and **** from the inability to reach
themselves.

I never smell. my body can produce some very strong odors (even before I was
overweight) so hygiene is extremely important to me. I keep deoderant in the
car and shower sometimes twice a day if I even think I am getting the
slightest bit smelly and I can reach just fine thankyou.

> > >6. They don't bathe nearly as often as normal people.

I bath more than the average person does. being oveweight I MUST bath more
often.

> > >5. They complain about everything and are generally rude and
unpleasant
> > >since they are so miserable.

I only complain about people like you and the ass hole politicians who are
throwing our freedom and rights away left and right and nobody is doing
anything about it.

> > >4. They are always single-minded, looking for their next trough of
food.

Most of my intake is a matter of convenience. on the run all the time so I
eat on the run. Now I have learned to cook a crap load of food on sundays
and prep it for individual meals throughout the week. I basically make my
own convenience food except its healty.
I hate eating at fast food. I LOVE heaping mounds of vegetables. something
you can not get at fast food. but I also do notusually have an hour to stop
at a restaurant if not longer.

> > >3. At movie theaters and on airplanes they always selfishly invade
your
> > >space.

In theaters I usually wait till things are filling up and then pick a spot
where I have a seat to my left and right open. its as uncomfortable for me
as it is for you you know.

> > >2. They rarely try to lose weight and prefer to remain gluttonous
hogs.
> > >They usually lie about their diets.

It is not nearly as easy as you think. every GENE in your body RESISTS any
attempt to remove the fat short of cutting it out. your body WANTS to keep
the fat. in HS etc.. I was EXTREMELY active. so I had a ferocious (sp)
appetite. I was huge (6'0" 185 pounds) without an ounce of fat on me. When I
went to college my appetite remained and my activity level whent from
extreme to ZIP

I blew up in under a year.

since then I have been FIGHTING to lose the weight. I can maintain easy
enough without even watching what I eat. 395 for the last 5+ years. (now
365)

Atkins is so far the FIRST method that looks to be possibly effective. I
have so far lost 35 pounds. I quite atkins for a while (stopped working I
now know this was a "stall") as eating LC is VERY Expensive. never gained
even one pound back. still 365 7 months later. I am LC'ing again and plan to
stick with it this time no matter the cost. eventually my amazingly
fortunate immune system etc.. WILL fail me unless I drop the weight.

hardest thing is excercise. no TIME. (and do not say make time the amount of
time in a day is finite and unalterable) you either have time or you do not.
When I was working I was doing 5 12 hours shifts a week. that leaves VERY
little time for me. Work Drive Sleep Drive Work Drive Sleep etc.. repeat for
6 out of 7 days. (nights) My activity level throughout most of a day
consisted of sitting at a desk answering tech support questions on a phone.
Not conducive to losing weight. the only reason I am not COMPLETELY out of
shape in all regards is that my muscles have to work pretty damned hard just
to MOVE me.

I have since been laid off (they are going out of buisness it seems I hope
they survive until the economy picks up again) and now I have a LOT of time
on my hands and I plan to make very good use of it.

> > >1. They get in the way of looking at normal, thin, good-looking
people.
> > >

ahh pitty pitty for you.

> >
> > Very true on all counts. And they are this kind of beast by their
> > own choosing. If they really exercised some self discipline and
> > were self-respecting people they would not be morbidly obese.

Self Discipline is only half of it. Losing weight is NOT easy. I would like
to see any normal not overweight person EAT till they gain 30 pounds and
then try to lose it. it is NOT easy. your body resists at every step of the
way.

even atkins is a CHEAT. you are TRICKING your body into doing something it
does not want to do (burn fat) by strictly controlling your diet so it does
not know its not getting what it "thinks" it needs (sugar carbs etc..) and
the natural process of switching to fat stores kicks in.

I hope to have lost 140 pounds by next summer. I also plan next summer to
participate in the MS 150 bike tour. (150 mile bike tour in NJ) I
participated this year as a volunteer ham radio operator and thought it was
the coolest thing I have seen in a while and looks like a lot of fun. I have
a short term goal of 300 by christmas (not sure if that is possible but I am
going to try)

why 300 ? cause then I can stop going to the vet to get weighed (only scale
that will weigh me) and can buy a normal scale (they all stop at 300)

Gives me even more incentive to drop the weight as I would NEVER make it (MS
150) at my current weight.

To go on your tact. I hate high metabolism people. they have it so easy. can
eat as much as they want and not gain an ouch. my freaking brother is like
this. he can down a gallon of ice cream and not gain an ounce and he is the
epitomy of lazy. NEVER excercises I GET far more physical activity in a day
than he does. SUCKS.

so bite me.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

[JC Der Koenig]

Lose the excuses.

--
JC

Lyle's New Ultimate Diet

"1. eat less you fat ****
2. exercise more you fat ****"

"Chris Taylor Jr" > wrote in message
...
> Below
>
>
>
> I am 365 pounds at 6'3" tall. Not sure what that is medically but I would
> call that morbidly obese since I am 140 pounds overweight at least.
although
> most never guess my weight to be more than 280-300 (I wish I was that
light)
>
>
> Actually I eat suprisingly little for my size.
>
> > > >They usually lie about their diets.
>
> It is not nearly as easy as you think. every GENE in your body RESISTS any
> attempt to remove the fat short of cutting it out. your body WANTS to keep
> the fat. in HS etc.. I was EXTREMELY active. so I had a ferocious (sp)
> appetite. I was huge (6'0" 185 pounds) without an ounce of fat on me. When
I
> went to college my appetite remained and my activity level whent from
> extreme to ZIP
>
> I blew up in under a year.
>
> since then I have been FIGHTING to lose the weight. I can maintain easy
> enough without even watching what I eat. 395 for the last 5+ years. (now
> 365)
>
> Atkins is so far the FIRST method that looks to be possibly effective. I
> have so far lost 35 pounds. I quite atkins for a while (stopped working I
> now know this was a "stall") as eating LC is VERY Expensive. never gained
> even one pound back. still 365 7 months later. I am LC'ing again and plan
to
> stick with it this time no matter the cost. eventually my amazingly
> fortunate immune system etc.. WILL fail me unless I drop the weight.
>
> hardest thing is excercise. no TIME. (and do not say make time the amount
of
> time in a day is finite and unalterable) you either have time or you do
not.
> When I was working I was doing 5 12 hours shifts a week. that leaves VERY
> little time for me. Work Drive Sleep Drive Work Drive Sleep etc.. repeat
for
> 6 out of 7 days. (nights) My activity level throughout most of a day
> consisted of sitting at a desk answering tech support questions on a
phone.
> Not conducive to losing weight. the only reason I am not COMPLETELY out of
> shape in all regards is that my muscles have to work pretty damned hard
just
> to MOVE me.
>
> I have since been laid off (they are going out of buisness it seems I hope
> they survive until the economy picks up again) and now I have a LOT of
time
> on my hands and I plan to make very good use of it.
>
>
> Self Discipline is only half of it. Losing weight is NOT easy. I would
like
> to see any normal not overweight person EAT till they gain 30 pounds and
> then try to lose it. it is NOT easy. your body resists at every step of
the
> way.
>
> even atkins is a CHEAT. you are TRICKING your body into doing something it
> does not want to do (burn fat) by strictly controlling your diet so it
does
> not know its not getting what it "thinks" it needs (sugar carbs etc..) and
> the natural process of switching to fat stores kicks in.
>
> I hope to have lost 140 pounds by next summer. I also plan next summer to
> participate in the MS 150 bike tour. (150 mile bike tour in NJ) I
> participated this year as a volunteer ham radio operator and thought it
was
> the coolest thing I have seen in a while and looks like a lot of fun. I
have
> a short term goal of 300 by christmas (not sure if that is possible but I
am
> going to try)
>
> why 300 ? cause then I can stop going to the vet to get weighed (only
scale
> that will weigh me) and can buy a normal scale (they all stop at 300)
>
> Gives me even more incentive to drop the weight as I would NEVER make it
(MS
> 150) at my current weight.
>
> To go on your tact. I hate high metabolism people. they have it so easy.
can
> eat as much as they want and not gain an ouch. my freaking brother is like
> this. he can down a gallon of ice cream and not gain an ounce and he is
the
> epitomy of lazy. NEVER excercises I GET far more physical activity in a
day
> than he does. SUCKS.
>
> so bite me.
>
> Chris Taylor
> http://www.nerys.com/
>
>
>

[PieNtheSky32]

*snip*
I eat one very large plate of salad (Obsessed with salad
which makes atkins hard)

Um.......I would think being obsessed with salad would make this WOE much
easier.......the 2 cup thing in the book is very flexible when it comes to
salad, IMO.

*thinking* Why did I read the OP? I knew better.
~*~Pie~*~
254/200/150
"Chris Taylor Jr" > wrote in message
...
> Below
>
>
> > > >Top 10 reasons fat people are not accepted:
> > > >
> > > >10. They are slow and slothlike, lumbering towards their
destination,
> > > >blocking you from yours.
>
> I am 365 pounds at 6'3" tall. Not sure what that is medically but I would
> call that morbidly obese since I am 140 pounds overweight at least.
although
> most never guess my weight to be more than 280-300 (I wish I was that
light)
>
> I am faster than most people think. Faster than most people "are"
>
> I also tend to move rather quickly. I do not like "wasting" time and
> moveming from point to point any slower than needed is a wasting of
precious
> time.
>
> > > >9. The(y) cost society millions of dollars in obesity related
> diseases.
>
> I cost society nothing. I have not had so much as a common cold for as
long
> as I can remember (over 20 years) my cholesterol BP etc.. are all FINE.
> (fingers crossed)
>
> > > >8. They ruin your dinner out because they are so digusting to look
at
> as
> > > >they feed ravenously.
>
> Actually I eat suprisingly little for my size. When I go away on trips
> (many) we usually eat at buffets simple because of variety and
> affordability. I eat one very large plate of salad (Obsessed with salad
> which makes atkins hard) and a normalplate of food. I can never get
through
> more. I simply am full at that point.
>
> > > >7. They smell like sweat and **** from the inability to reach
> themselves.
>
> I never smell. my body can produce some very strong odors (even before I
was
> overweight) so hygiene is extremely important to me. I keep deoderant in
the
> car and shower sometimes twice a day if I even think I am getting the
> slightest bit smelly and I can reach just fine thankyou.
>
> > > >6. They don't bathe nearly as often as normal people.
>
> I bath more than the average person does. being oveweight I MUST bath more
> often.
>
> > > >5. They complain about everything and are generally rude and
> unpleasant
> > > >since they are so miserable.
>
> I only complain about people like you and the ass hole politicians who are
> throwing our freedom and rights away left and right and nobody is doing
> anything about it.
>
> > > >4. They are always single-minded, looking for their next trough of
> food.
>
> Most of my intake is a matter of convenience. on the run all the time so I
> eat on the run. Now I have learned to cook a crap load of food on sundays
> and prep it for individual meals throughout the week. I basically make my
> own convenience food except its healty.
> I hate eating at fast food. I LOVE heaping mounds of vegetables. something
> you can not get at fast food. but I also do notusually have an hour to
stop
> at a restaurant if not longer.
>
> > > >3. At movie theaters and on airplanes they always selfishly invade
> your
> > > >space.
>
> In theaters I usually wait till things are filling up and then pick a spot
> where I have a seat to my left and right open. its as uncomfortable for me
> as it is for you you know.
>
> > > >2. They rarely try to lose weight and prefer to remain gluttonous
> hogs.
> > > >They usually lie about their diets.
>
> It is not nearly as easy as you think. every GENE in your body RESISTS any
> attempt to remove the fat short of cutting it out. your body WANTS to keep
> the fat. in HS etc.. I was EXTREMELY active. so I had a ferocious (sp)
> appetite. I was huge (6'0" 185 pounds) without an ounce of fat on me. When
I
> went to college my appetite remained and my activity level whent from
> extreme to ZIP
>
> I blew up in under a year.
>
> since then I have been FIGHTING to lose the weight. I can maintain easy
> enough without even watching what I eat. 395 for the last 5+ years. (now
> 365)
>
> Atkins is so far the FIRST method that looks to be possibly effective. I
> have so far lost 35 pounds. I quite atkins for a while (stopped working I
> now know this was a "stall") as eating LC is VERY Expensive. never gained
> even one pound back. still 365 7 months later. I am LC'ing again and plan
to
> stick with it this time no matter the cost. eventually my amazingly
> fortunate immune system etc.. WILL fail me unless I drop the weight.
>
> hardest thing is excercise. no TIME. (and do not say make time the amount
of
> time in a day is finite and unalterable) you either have time or you do
not.
> When I was working I was doing 5 12 hours shifts a week. that leaves VERY
> little time for me. Work Drive Sleep Drive Work Drive Sleep etc.. repeat
for
> 6 out of 7 days. (nights) My activity level throughout most of a day
> consisted of sitting at a desk answering tech support questions on a
phone.
> Not conducive to losing weight. the only reason I am not COMPLETELY out of
> shape in all regards is that my muscles have to work pretty damned hard
just
> to MOVE me.
>
> I have since been laid off (they are going out of buisness it seems I hope
> they survive until the economy picks up again) and now I have a LOT of
time
> on my hands and I plan to make very good use of it.
>
> > > >1. They get in the way of looking at normal, thin, good-looking
> people.
> > > >
>
> ahh pitty pitty for you.
>
> > >
> > > Very true on all counts. And they are this kind of beast by their
> > > own choosing. If they really exercised some self discipline and
> > > were self-respecting people they would not be morbidly obese.
>
> Self Discipline is only half of it. Losing weight is NOT easy. I would
like
> to see any normal not overweight person EAT till they gain 30 pounds and
> then try to lose it. it is NOT easy. your body resists at every step of
the
> way.
>
> even atkins is a CHEAT. you are TRICKING your body into doing something it
> does not want to do (burn fat) by strictly controlling your diet so it
does
> not know its not getting what it "thinks" it needs (sugar carbs etc..) and
> the natural process of switching to fat stores kicks in.
>
> I hope to have lost 140 pounds by next summer. I also plan next summer to
> participate in the MS 150 bike tour. (150 mile bike tour in NJ) I
> participated this year as a volunteer ham radio operator and thought it
was
> the coolest thing I have seen in a while and looks like a lot of fun. I
have
> a short term goal of 300 by christmas (not sure if that is possible but I
am
> going to try)
>
> why 300 ? cause then I can stop going to the vet to get weighed (only
scale
> that will weigh me) and can buy a normal scale (they all stop at 300)
>
> Gives me even more incentive to drop the weight as I would NEVER make it
(MS
> 150) at my current weight.
>
> To go on your tact. I hate high metabolism people. they have it so easy.
can
> eat as much as they want and not gain an ouch. my freaking brother is like
> this. he can down a gallon of ice cream and not gain an ounce and he is
the
> epitomy of lazy. NEVER excercises I GET far more physical activity in a
day
> than he does. SUCKS.
>
> so bite me.
>
> Chris Taylor
> http://www.nerys.com/
>
>
>

[Mary Sunshine]

"JC Der Koenig" > wrote in message >...
> Lose the excuses.
>
> --
> JC
>
> Lyle's New Ultimate Diet
>
> "1. eat less you fat ****
> 2. exercise more you fat ****"
>
> "Chris Taylor Jr" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Below
> >
> >
> >
> > I am 365 pounds at 6'3" tall.

[snip long interesting story]

Chris,

Thanks for your story.

Pay no attention to JC; he's a pathetic little turd.

I have him plonked in Agent, hence this reply coming from Google.

M.S.

[justdave1]

>
> why 300 ? cause then I can stop going to the vet to get weighed (only
scale
> that will weigh me) and can buy a normal scale (they all stop at 300)

You can weigh yourself at home, Chris. Just stand on 2 scales and add the
weights.

[JC Der Koenig]

Most of the human population is small compared to you.

--
JC

Lyle's New Ultimate Diet

"1. eat less you fat ****
2. exercise more you fat ****"

"Mary Sunshine" > wrote in message
om...
> "JC Der Koenig" > wrote in message
>...
> > Lose the excuses.
> >
> > --
> > JC
> >
> > Lyle's New Ultimate Diet
> >
> > "1. eat less you fat ****
> > 2. exercise more you fat ****"
> >
> > "Chris Taylor Jr" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Below
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am 365 pounds at 6'3" tall.
>
> [snip long interesting story]
>
> Chris,
>
> Thanks for your story.
>
> Pay no attention to JC; he's a pathetic little turd.
>
> I have him plonked in Agent, hence this reply coming from Google.
>
> M.S.

[Cheri]

And, most of them are smart compared to you, so what?

--
Cheri

JC Der Koenig wrote in message ...
>Most of the human population is small compared to you.
>
>--
>JC
>

[JC Der Koenig]

You said we weren't talking anymore. You couldn't resist?

--
JC

Lyle's New Ultimate Diet

"1. eat less you fat ****
2. exercise more you fat ****"

"Cheri" -nogarbage> wrote in message
...
> And, most of them are smart compared to you, so what?
>
> --
> Cheri
>
> JC Der Koenig wrote in message ...
> >Most of the human population is small compared to you.
> >
> >--
> >JC
> >
>
>
>

[Robin King]

"JC Der Koenig" > wrote in message
...
| Lose the excuses.
|
| --
| JC
|
| Lyle's New Ultimate Diet
|
| "1. eat less you fat ****
| 2. exercise more you fat ****"

Lose the hate.

Robin

[JC Der Koenig]

You would do well to hate obesity.

--
JC

Lyle's New Ultimate Diet

"1. eat less you fat ****
2. exercise more you fat ****"

"Robin King" > wrote in message
...
> "JC Der Koenig" > wrote in message
> ...
> | Lose the excuses.
> |
> | --
> | JC
> |
> | Lyle's New Ultimate Diet
> |
> | "1. eat less you fat ****
> | 2. exercise more you fat ****"
>
> Lose the hate.
>
> Robin
>
>

[buddhabellybum]

regardless, still good advice.

Kurt

"Robin King" > wrote in message
...
> "JC Der Koenig" > wrote in message
> ...
> | Lose the excuses.
> |
> | --
> | JC
> |
> | Lyle's New Ultimate Diet
> |
> | "1. eat less you fat ****
> | 2. exercise more you fat ****"
>
> Lose the hate.
>
> Robin
>
>

[Lady Veteran]

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> wrote:

>regardless, still good advice.
>
>Kurt
>
It is not the message-it is the delivery that makes you and your
friend idiots.

LV

Remove "intel" from address to reply

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[ATP]

Chris Taylor Jr wrote:
> Below
>
>
>>>> Top 10 reasons fat people are not accepted:
>>>>
>>>> 10. They are slow and slothlike, lumbering towards their
>>>> destination, blocking you from yours.
>
> I am 365 pounds at 6'3" tall. Not sure what that is medically but I
> would call that morbidly obese since I am 140 pounds overweight at
> least. although most never guess my weight to be more than 280-300 (I
> wish I was that light)
>
> I am faster than most people think. Faster than most people "are"
>
> I also tend to move rather quickly. I do not like "wasting" time and
> moveming from point to point any slower than needed is a wasting of
> precious time.
>
>>>> 9. The(y) cost society millions of dollars in obesity related
>>>> diseases.
>
> I cost society nothing. I have not had so much as a common cold for
> as long as I can remember (over 20 years) my cholesterol BP etc.. are
> all FINE. (fingers crossed)
>
>>>> 8. They ruin your dinner out because they are so digusting to
>>>> look at as they feed ravenously.
>
> Actually I eat suprisingly little for my size. When I go away on trips
> (many) we usually eat at buffets simple because of variety and
> affordability. I eat one very large plate of salad (Obsessed with
> salad which makes atkins hard) and a normalplate of food. I can never
> get through more. I simply am full at that point.
>
>>>> 7. They smell like sweat and **** from the inability to reach
>>>> themselves.
>
> I never smell. my body can produce some very strong odors (even
> before I was overweight) so hygiene is extremely important to me. I
> keep deoderant in the car and shower sometimes twice a day if I even
> think I am getting the slightest bit smelly and I can reach just fine
> thankyou.
>
>>>> 6. They don't bathe nearly as often as normal people.
>
> I bath more than the average person does. being oveweight I MUST bath
> more often.
>
>>>> 5. They complain about everything and are generally rude and
>>>> unpleasant since they are so miserable.
>
> I only complain about people like you and the ass hole politicians
> who are throwing our freedom and rights away left and right and
> nobody is doing anything about it.
>
>>>> 4. They are always single-minded, looking for their next trough
>>>> of food.
>
> Most of my intake is a matter of convenience. on the run all the time
> so I eat on the run. Now I have learned to cook a crap load of food
> on sundays and prep it for individual meals throughout the week. I
> basically make my own convenience food except its healty.
> I hate eating at fast food. I LOVE heaping mounds of vegetables.
> something you can not get at fast food. but I also do notusually have
> an hour to stop at a restaurant if not longer.
>
>>>> 3. At movie theaters and on airplanes they always selfishly
>>>> invade your space.
>
> In theaters I usually wait till things are filling up and then pick a
> spot where I have a seat to my left and right open. its as
> uncomfortable for me as it is for you you know.
>
>>>> 2. They rarely try to lose weight and prefer to remain gluttonous
>>>> hogs. They usually lie about their diets.
>
> It is not nearly as easy as you think. every GENE in your body
> RESISTS any attempt to remove the fat short of cutting it out. your
> body WANTS to keep the fat. in HS etc.. I was EXTREMELY active. so I
> had a ferocious (sp) appetite. I was huge (6'0" 185 pounds) without
> an ounce of fat on me. When I went to college my appetite remained
> and my activity level whent from extreme to ZIP
>
> I blew up in under a year.
>
> since then I have been FIGHTING to lose the weight. I can maintain
> easy enough without even watching what I eat. 395 for the last 5+
> years. (now 365)
>
> Atkins is so far the FIRST method that looks to be possibly
> effective. I have so far lost 35 pounds. I quite atkins for a while
> (stopped working I now know this was a "stall") as eating LC is VERY
> Expensive. never gained even one pound back. still 365 7 months
> later. I am LC'ing again and plan to stick with it this time no
> matter the cost. eventually my amazingly fortunate immune system
> etc.. WILL fail me unless I drop the weight.
>
> hardest thing is excercise. no TIME. (and do not say make time the
> amount of time in a day is finite and unalterable) you either have
> time or you do not. When I was working I was doing 5 12 hours shifts
> a week. that leaves VERY little time for me. Work Drive Sleep Drive
> Work Drive Sleep etc.. repeat for 6 out of 7 days. (nights) My
> activity level throughout most of a day consisted of sitting at a
> desk answering tech support questions on a phone. Not conducive to
> losing weight. the only reason I am not COMPLETELY out of shape in
> all regards is that my muscles have to work pretty damned hard just
> to MOVE me.
>
> I have since been laid off (they are going out of buisness it seems I
> hope they survive until the economy picks up again) and now I have a
> LOT of time on my hands and I plan to make very good use of it.
>
>>>> 1. They get in the way of looking at normal, thin, good-looking
>>>> people.
>>>>
>
> ahh pitty pitty for you.
>
>>>
>>> Very true on all counts. And they are this kind of beast by their
>>> own choosing. If they really exercised some self discipline and
>>> were self-respecting people they would not be morbidly obese.
>
> Self Discipline is only half of it. Losing weight is NOT easy. I
> would like to see any normal not overweight person EAT till they gain
> 30 pounds and then try to lose it. it is NOT easy. your body resists
> at every step of the way.
>
> even atkins is a CHEAT. you are TRICKING your body into doing
> something it does not want to do (burn fat) by strictly controlling
> your diet so it does not know its not getting what it "thinks" it
> needs (sugar carbs etc..) and the natural process of switching to fat
> stores kicks in.
>
> I hope to have lost 140 pounds by next summer. I also plan next
> summer to participate in the MS 150 bike tour. (150 mile bike tour in
> NJ) I participated this year as a volunteer ham radio operator and
> thought it was the coolest thing I have seen in a while and looks
> like a lot of fun. I have a short term goal of 300 by christmas (not
> sure if that is possible but I am going to try)
>
> why 300 ? cause then I can stop going to the vet to get weighed (only
> scale that will weigh me) and can buy a normal scale (they all stop
> at 300)
>
> Gives me even more incentive to drop the weight as I would NEVER make
> it (MS 150) at my current weight.
>
> To go on your tact. I hate high metabolism people. they have it so
> easy. can eat as much as they want and not gain an ouch. my freaking
> brother is like this. he can down a gallon of ice cream and not gain
> an ounce and he is the epitomy of lazy. NEVER excercises I GET far
> more physical activity in a day than he does. SUCKS.
>
> so bite me.
>
> Chris Taylor
> http://www.nerys.com/

Good luck with your program- leave the SSFA types behind and follow
misc.fitness.weights

[Chris Taylor Jr]

what is SSFA ?

Is misc.fitness.weights a newsgroup ? (I will probably answer that before
you reply but figured to ask just in case I dead end.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/


>
> Good luck with your program- leave the SSFA types behind and follow
> misc.fitness.weights
>
>

[revek]

"Chris Taylor Jr" > wrote in message
...
> what is SSFA ?

soc.support.fat-acceptance, a newsgroup

> Is misc.fitness.weights a newsgroup ? (I will probably answer that before
> you reply but figured to ask just in case I dead end.

Yes. If you look at the top of the window you are viewing this message in,
you'll see that this thread is crossposted to the 'usuals'
(soc.support.fat-acceptance, alt.support.diet.low-carb, soc.singles,
alt.support.diet.weigh****chers, misc.fitness.weights). These groups tend
to get crossposted to when some loser wants to **** in the sandbox and get
the other kids to do the fighting while it sits back and laughs.

Followups set

revek

[hardworkin]

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 00:02:09 -0400, "Chris Taylor Jr"
> wrote:

>what is SSFA ?
>
>Is misc.fitness.weights a newsgroup ? (I will probably answer that before

The headers in your message include:
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So, you can see that misc.fitness.weights is a newgroup, as is
soc.support.fat-acceptance, and your message has gone to both.

Those in the mfw camp generally laugh at and demean those in any of
the fat acceptance groups. Self-pitying fatasses who won't help
themselves show up and are examined with fascination, sort of like
roadkill. Then they leave. It's good to have a place to run to if
you can't take the heat. But, I get the feeling you're not like that
Chris. You should stick around mfw for a while and see if you like
it. I'll bet you could learn some useful info. I've learned a ton
since I started hanging out in mfw.

So, in the spirit of mfw, train harder, eat less, and welcome aboard.

- HW

[Jim Ledford]

Chris Taylor Jr wrote:


> To go on your tact. I hate high metabolism people. they have it so easy. can

try to think of it like this. food is expensive and those
high metabolism people are like a car that gets poor gas mileage.



> eat as much as they want and not gain an ouch. my freaking brother is like
> this. he can down a gallon of ice cream and not gain an ounce and he is the
> epitomy of lazy. NEVER excercises I GET far more physical activity in a day
> than he does. SUCKS.
>
> so bite me.
>
> Chris Taylor
> http://www.nerys.com/

[Lee Michaels]

"Jim Ledford" > wrote in message
...
> Chris Taylor Jr wrote:
>
>
> > To go on your tact. I hate high metabolism people. they have it so easy.
can
>
> try to think of it like this. food is expensive and those
> high metabolism people are like a car that gets poor gas mileage.
>
>
I not only get great gas mileage, but my exhaust system seems faulty as
well.

[Chris Taylor Jr]

Hah that is funny. but alas this is one case where I would take the High Gas
Mileage over the Road Hogging bulk anyday.

anyday at all. it is simply not healthy being 365 pounds.

not healthy at all. scares me in fact. I walk with paranoia knowing that one
wrong step and my mass could snap my ankly like a twig. I am amazed I have
not broken a bone yet.

the few times I do "fall or trip" is actually quite funny. I very activily
"give into" the fall just to prevent putting any undue pressure on the
smaller joints (ankles wrists) for fear of breaking them.

I did some basic figuring on just JOGGING. wow. nearly half a ton of force
on EACH ankle EACH step. Very scary indeed.

That is why for now I am limiting myself to bike riding. low impact on the
joints but man if I fall. 365 pounds hitting the asphalt will likely result
in a lot more problems than road rash. :-( Plus bike riding is dual purpose.
I lose weight and get fit (too slow to be useful to my "confidence") but
also semi efective transportation. I plan to dual purpose it. I LOVE going
to the movies. their is a theatre that I would guess is "roughly" 1-1.5
hours a way by bike. (12 minutes by car but most uphill) figure I can ride
to theatre. See a movie and then ride home.

I get excercise and immediate reward at the same time. Now I just have to
work up to being able toride that far. :-)

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

"Jim Ledford" > wrote in message
...

> try to think of it like this. food is expensive and those
> high metabolism people are like a car that gets poor gas mileage.

[Deb in Northern California]

When I saw my doctor recently he actually told me that people that are
overweight are less prone to osteoporosis and fragile bones as their size
compensates and you have very strong bones. Not sure how true this is
though. He told me this when I told him that I was concerned about not
consuming enough calcium and my body aching.

Debbie

"Chris Taylor Jr" > wrote in message
...
> Hah that is funny. but alas this is one case where I would take the High
Gas
> Mileage over the Road Hogging bulk anyday.
>
> anyday at all. it is simply not healthy being 365 pounds.
>
> not healthy at all. scares me in fact. I walk with paranoia knowing that
one
> wrong step and my mass could snap my ankly like a twig. I am amazed I have
> not broken a bone yet.
>
> the few times I do "fall or trip" is actually quite funny. I very activily
> "give into" the fall just to prevent putting any undue pressure on the
> smaller joints (ankles wrists) for fear of breaking them.
>
> I did some basic figuring on just JOGGING. wow. nearly half a ton of force
> on EACH ankle EACH step. Very scary indeed.
>
> That is why for now I am limiting myself to bike riding. low impact on the
> joints but man if I fall. 365 pounds hitting the asphalt will likely
result
> in a lot more problems than road rash. :-( Plus bike riding is dual
purpose.
> I lose weight and get fit (too slow to be useful to my "confidence") but
> also semi efective transportation. I plan to dual purpose it. I LOVE going
> to the movies. their is a theatre that I would guess is "roughly" 1-1.5
> hours a way by bike. (12 minutes by car but most uphill) figure I can ride
> to theatre. See a movie and then ride home.
>
> I get excercise and immediate reward at the same time. Now I just have to
> work up to being able toride that far. :-)
>
> Chris Taylor
> http://www.nerys.com/
>
> "Jim Ledford" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > try to think of it like this. food is expensive and those
> > high metabolism people are like a car that gets poor gas mileage.
>
>

[Jim Ledford]

Chris Taylor Jr wrote:

> Jim Ledford wrote:
>
> > try to think of it like this. food is expensive and those
> > high metabolism people are like a car that gets poor gas mileage.

> Hah that is funny.

when life is beating me up and trying to make me
sad I fight back by trying to find some humor in
the picture. never fixes the problem but makes
it somewhat easier to make my way through the beating.

> but alas this is one case where I would take the High Gas
> Mileage over the Road Hogging bulk anyday.

I peaked out at 245 pounds and at 6'1" I looked like a fatso
and felt like a fatso. I did not like that. I sought help
in learning how to eat proper. I changed my life style and
the high sugar content items were placed off limits to me.
it was rough though. every time I went into a store where
hershey bars were sold I'd hear them calling Jim Jim Jim Jim
Jim Jim JIM! I'd have to get out of the store before the
sounds of all that would get out of my head.



> anyday at all. it is simply not healthy being 365 pounds.





> not healthy at all. scares me in fact. I walk with paranoia knowing that one
> wrong step and my mass could snap my ankly like a twig. I am amazed I have
> not broken a bone yet.

maybe, you have good strong bones.

> the few times I do "fall or trip" is actually quite funny. I very activily
> "give into" the fall just to prevent putting any undue pressure on the
> smaller joints (ankles wrists) for fear of breaking them.

sometimes I lose my balance and fall. friends have learned not
to help me back up because I'd rather do it for myself. they can
laugh and I'll laugh with them as long as they allow me to get back
up by myself.


> I did some basic figuring on just JOGGING. wow. nearly half a ton of force
> on EACH ankle EACH step. Very scary indeed.

math can be fun.



> That is why for now I am limiting myself to bike riding. low impact on the
> joints but man if I fall. 365 pounds hitting the asphalt will likely result
> in a lot more problems than road rash. :-( Plus bike riding is dual purpose.
> I lose weight and get fit (too slow to be useful to my "confidence") but
> also semi efective transportation. I plan to dual purpose it. I LOVE going
> to the movies. their is a theatre that I would guess is "roughly" 1-1.5
> hours a way by bike. (12 minutes by car but most uphill) figure I can ride
> to theatre. See a movie and then ride home.

I finally got me a bicycle, a ten speed :) I've only had one wreck
so far. I tried to peddle up a hill in to high of a gear and when I
stood up so I could apply more pressure on the peddle, the peddle broke
off. it all happened so quickly, it was like one second I was on my
new bike and the next second I was in the ditch beside the road. hurt
my pride more than anything else since a good looking girl saw and then
stopped to ask if I was OK.


> I get excercise and immediate reward at the same time. Now I just have to
> work up to being able toride that far. :-)

Chris, it sounds to me as if you have found something
you want to do and with that, I wish for you every
possible success in obtaining your desire.

Go For It Man :)



> Chris Taylor
> http://www.nerys.com/
>

[ignorcrew]

"Chris Taylor Jr" > wrote in message >...
> what is SSFA ?
>
> Is misc.fitness.weights a newsgroup ?

It's like this: you can go to support.fat-acceptance or the like and
get support to remain what you are so you can keep feeling like ****
but feel good about it.

Or you can go to misc.fitness.weights and get help with getting the
information on how to stop feeling like **** and feel good about it.

I recommed the latter.


(I will probably answer that before
> you reply but figured to ask just in case I dead end.
>
> Chris Taylor
> http://www.nerys.com/
>
>
> >
> > Good luck with your program- leave the SSFA types behind and follow
> > misc.fitness.weights
> >
> >

[NR]

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On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 00:59:51 GMT, "Robin King"
> wrote:

>"JC Der Koenig" > wrote in message
...
>| Lose the excuses.
>|
>| --
>| JC
>|
>| Lyle's New Ultimate Diet
>|
>| "1. eat less you fat ****
>| 2. exercise more you fat ****"
>
> Lose the hate.
>
>Robin

FAT chance!
Women like you turned me down in high school and made me look bad.
Because I couldn't get laid I had to settle for handjobs from my
mother. And I had to pay for the lotion.

If you're willing to help me get laid with a real woman, then I'll
stop fat bashing.

Deal?


NR

http://www.pat-acceptance.org/kookrant.html
http://www.pat-acceptance.org/kookrant2.html

If I catch you busting into a mass and vilifying a church, the last thing
you'll hear in your entire life, will be the ratatatatat of an automatic.
- --Steve Chaney to Mark Ira Kaufman
Message-ID: >

Young Mr. Chaney, the man who has told me that he wants to murder me and
sodomize women in my family, has said, repeatedly, that advocates for
choice had vandalized churches.
- --Mark Ira Kaufman
Message-ID: >

she probably has to have her picture taken by satellite because no normal
camera can fit all that whale blubber into one picture.
- --Steve Chaney
Message-ID: >

Excessively fat women look ugly. It is impractical to try and have sex when
she's 100lbs overweight and the weight is all fat - but most women ain't
that big.
- --Steve Chaney
Message-ID: >

You of course do know what a lot of Asian women prefer, right? Besides,
after ****ing a cute asian chick, experience tells me it isn't all that
except that she looks good on your arm. In bed it ain't much at all. If the
lights go out, any guy whose hormones are more fixed on performance than
looks, is going to go to sleep right there and then.
- --Steve Chaney
Message-ID: >

Clarice and Allisson were well beyond a BMI of 25 in their pictures where
they were called cows.
- --Steve Chaney
Message-ID: >

If Dutton knocked on Steve's door and Steve shot him in the face, I would
really not care.
- --Crash Street Kidd about Steve Chaney
Message-ID: >

Stephen A Chaney is NR's whipping boy.

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[BrendaLee]

Chris Taylor Jr wrote:
>
> Hah that is funny. but alas this is one case where I would take the High Gas
> Mileage over the Road Hogging bulk anyday.
>
> anyday at all. it is simply not healthy being 365 pounds.
>
> not healthy at all. scares me in fact. I walk with paranoia knowing that one
> wrong step and my mass could snap my ankly like a twig. I am amazed I have
> not broken a bone yet.
>
> the few times I do "fall or trip" is actually quite funny. I very activily
> "give into" the fall just to prevent putting any undue pressure on the
> smaller joints (ankles wrists) for fear of breaking them.
>
> I did some basic figuring on just JOGGING. wow. nearly half a ton of force
> on EACH ankle EACH step. Very scary indeed.

That is incredible force on a body. As you can now see, that is why you
don't see many obese people running and jogging. One thing I might
suggest is adding some walking each day. It is a great exercise to start
off with as it doesn't cost much and you can taylor your path to your
surroundings. That hill would be great as a start. If you have to --
drive to it for right now. Just walk up and back down the hill at a pace
comfortable to you, or go as far as you can. Do that for a few weeks and
your strength will start to show.
Then you can add distance.

You might want to think about a walking stick. They absorb a lot of that
force and give you more balance as three things on the ground are better
than two. If you start to lose your balance you can often catch yourself
before you have to strike the ground.

>
> That is why for now I am limiting myself to bike riding. low impact on the
> joints but man if I fall. 365 pounds hitting the asphalt will likely result
> in a lot more problems than road rash. :-( Plus bike riding is dual purpose.
> I lose weight and get fit (too slow to be useful to my "confidence") but
> also semi efective transportation. I plan to dual purpose it. I LOVE going
> to the movies. their is a theatre that I would guess is "roughly" 1-1.5
> hours a way by bike. (12 minutes by car but most uphill) figure I can ride
> to theatre. See a movie and then ride home.

Drive to the hill. Walk up and watch your movie. Walking down will still
strain your thighs a bit (depending on the incline) and yet will not tax
your heart till you get a bit stronger.

>
> I get excercise and immediate reward at the same time. Now I just have to
> work up to being able toride that far. :-)

Every step counts.

With that amount of weight you might not see results right away
physically, but you will notice them bodily as you get stronger.

BrendaLee

>
> Chris Taylor
> http://www.nerys.com/
>
> "Jim Ledford" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > try to think of it like this. food is expensive and those
> > high metabolism people are like a car that gets poor gas mileage.

--
~~~~~~
BrendaLee
RFA President – The Lady DreamCatcher
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.cocreator.com/ehmka/


Those who think they have no time for bodily exercise
will, sooner or later, have to find time for illness.
---Edward Stanley, Earl of Derby, 1873