Lifetime Members

[Cindy]

Until this month lifetime members could attend our meetings for free as long
as we paid the $12 once a month when we weighed in. Of course, if we weighed
within 2 lbs. of our goal, we didn't have to pay the $12. Now we're told
that we have to weigh-in at EVERY meeting we attend. If you're even 2-1/2
lb. over goal you pay. Lifetime members contribute valuable tips and share
experiences with newer members. Some of us have been coming weekly for many
years. Most of us stay within 10 lbs. of our goals. Also, our leader used to
share recipes with us that were great. She is not allowed to do this any
longer unless they are from a WW publication. Give me a break! I assume
these new rules apply to WW meetings everywhere. Are you as annoyed as I am?

[Lili]

Yes, I get ****ed of sometimes when I'm trying to find out info and my
leaders answer is "I'm not allowed to say".
--
Lili
Started April 2003
216/209/140







Cindy wrote:
> Until this month lifetime members could attend our meetings for free
> as long as we paid the $12 once a month when we weighed in. Of
> course, if we weighed within 2 lbs. of our goal, we didn't have to
> pay the $12. Now we're told that we have to weigh-in at EVERY meeting
> we attend. If you're even 2-1/2 lb. over goal you pay. Lifetime
> members contribute valuable tips and share experiences with newer
> members. Some of us have been coming weekly for many years. Most of
> us stay within 10 lbs. of our goals. Also, our leader used to share
> recipes with us that were great. She is not allowed to do this any
> longer unless they are from a WW publication. Give me a break! I
> assume these new rules apply to WW meetings everywhere. Are you as
> annoyed as I am?


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[Peggy]

This isn't going on at my meeting. I keep waiting to see if we end up with
these new rules and we haven't yet. Next week we are having a recipe swap
as our meeting subject! I sure hope it doesn't change!


--
Peggy
We tend to get what we expect.--Norman Vincent Peale
251/184.5/186/180 (personal goal)
10% Goal-10/24/02
Total loss: 68
exercise: 3x a wk 20 min
Made Goal July 10, 2003!

"Cindy" > wrote in message
...
> Until this month lifetime members could attend our meetings for free as
long
> as we paid the $12 once a month when we weighed in. Of course, if we
weighed
> within 2 lbs. of our goal, we didn't have to pay the $12. Now we're told
> that we have to weigh-in at EVERY meeting we attend. If you're even 2-1/2
> lb. over goal you pay. Lifetime members contribute valuable tips and share
> experiences with newer members. Some of us have been coming weekly for
many
> years. Most of us stay within 10 lbs. of our goals. Also, our leader used
to
> share recipes with us that were great. She is not allowed to do this any
> longer unless they are from a WW publication. Give me a break! I assume
> these new rules apply to WW meetings everywhere. Are you as annoyed as I
am?
>
>

[Kate Dicey]

Lili wrote:
>
> Yes, I get ****ed of sometimes when I'm trying to find out info and my
> leaders answer is "I'm not allowed to say".
> --
> Lili
> Started April 2003
> 216/209/140
>
> Cindy wrote:
> > Until this month lifetime members could attend our meetings for free
> > as long as we paid the $12 once a month when we weighed in. Of
> > course, if we weighed within 2 lbs. of our goal, we didn't have to
> > pay the $12. Now we're told that we have to weigh-in at EVERY meeting
> > we attend. If you're even 2-1/2 lb. over goal you pay. Lifetime
> > members contribute valuable tips and share experiences with newer
> > members. Some of us have been coming weekly for many years. Most of
> > us stay within 10 lbs. of our goals. Also, our leader used to share
> > recipes with us that were great. She is not allowed to do this any
> > longer unless they are from a WW publication. Give me a break! I
> > assume these new rules apply to WW meetings everywhere. Are you as
> > annoyed as I am?
>
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So far this has not hit us here in the UK.
--
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Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
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[Cindy]

Wow, Peggy! That's so cool! I wish we could do a recipe swap!

Cindy
162/155/150/140 (personal goal)

"Peggy" > wrote in message
...
> This isn't going on at my meeting. I keep waiting to see if we end up
with
> these new rules and we haven't yet. Next week we are having a recipe swap
> as our meeting subject! I sure hope it doesn't change!
>
>
> --
> Peggy
> We tend to get what we expect.--Norman Vincent Peale
> 251/184.5/186/180 (personal goal)
> 10% Goal-10/24/02
> Total loss: 68
> exercise: 3x a wk 20 min
> Made Goal July 10, 2003!
>
> "Cindy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Until this month lifetime members could attend our meetings for free as
> long
> > as we paid the $12 once a month when we weighed in. Of course, if we
> weighed
> > within 2 lbs. of our goal, we didn't have to pay the $12. Now we're told
> > that we have to weigh-in at EVERY meeting we attend. If you're even
2-1/2
> > lb. over goal you pay. Lifetime members contribute valuable tips and
share
> > experiences with newer members. Some of us have been coming weekly for
> many
> > years. Most of us stay within 10 lbs. of our goals. Also, our leader
used
> to
> > share recipes with us that were great. She is not allowed to do this any
> > longer unless they are from a WW publication. Give me a break! I assume
> > these new rules apply to WW meetings everywhere. Are you as annoyed as I
> am?
> >
> >
>
>

[SuzyQ]

I go to weekly meetings and only WI the first of each month. Nothing has
been said about any new rules. I am getting the booklet of the new program
each week. I have taken over copying and distributing recipes because our
leader is not allowed to do that any more.
--
SuzyQ
Weight 124
WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

"Cindy" > wrote in message
...
> Until this month lifetime members could attend our meetings for free as
long
> as we paid the $12 once a month when we weighed in. Of course, if we
weighed
> within 2 lbs. of our goal, we didn't have to pay the $12. Now we're told
> that we have to weigh-in at EVERY meeting we attend. If you're even 2-1/2
> lb. over goal you pay. Lifetime members contribute valuable tips and share
> experiences with newer members. Some of us have been coming weekly for
many
> years. Most of us stay within 10 lbs. of our goals. Also, our leader used
to
> share recipes with us that were great. She is not allowed to do this any
> longer unless they are from a WW publication. Give me a break! I assume
> these new rules apply to WW meetings everywhere. Are you as annoyed as I
am?
>
>

[Fred]

I saw something about paying by Lifetime members on the "chalk board"
the other day but did not inquire.

A leader mentioned that some of THE CORPORATE rules are becoming a bit
irritating and constraining. We shall see if WW over does things in
trying to be a big nameless, remote corporation as opposed to a more
sharing organization.

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 02:14:53 GMT, "Cindy" > wrote:

>Until this month lifetime members could attend our meetings for free as long
>as we paid the $12 once a month when we weighed in. Of course, if we weighed
>within 2 lbs. of our goal, we didn't have to pay the $12. Now we're told
>that we have to weigh-in at EVERY meeting we attend. If you're even 2-1/2
>lb. over goal you pay. Lifetime members contribute valuable tips and share
>experiences with newer members. Some of us have been coming weekly for many
>years. Most of us stay within 10 lbs. of our goals. Also, our leader used to
>share recipes with us that were great. She is not allowed to do this any
>longer unless they are from a WW publication. Give me a break! I assume
>these new rules apply to WW meetings everywhere. Are you as annoyed as I am?
>

[Coq]

I think Fred spoke for me. The loss of the "Sharing" aspect of WW
meeting could be the "iceberg" point for many of us. I also am
waiting to see what happens.

Coq



On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:25:28 -0700, Fred >
wrote:

>I saw something about paying by Lifetime members on the "chalk board"
>the other day but did not inquire.
>
>A leader mentioned that some of THE CORPORATE rules are becoming a bit
>irritating and constraining. We shall see if WW over does things in
>trying to be a big nameless, remote corporation as opposed to a more
>sharing organization.
>

[Fred]

Well, the topic for this coming week was "sharing food and menu ideas"
so that seems open to sharing NON-WW food ideas and is pretty
wide-ranging. It might be some leaders are more open or the rules are
not exactly rigid but that some leaders are less willing to push the
"corporate envelope???"

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:46:40 GMT, Coq > wrote:

>I think Fred spoke for me. The loss of the "Sharing" aspect of WW
>meeting could be the "iceberg" point for many of us. I also am
>waiting to see what happens.
>
>Coq
>
>
>
>On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:25:28 -0700, Fred >
>wrote:
>
>>I saw something about paying by Lifetime members on the "chalk board"
>>the other day but did not inquire.
>>
>>A leader mentioned that some of THE CORPORATE rules are becoming a bit
>>irritating and constraining. We shall see if WW over does things in
>>trying to be a big nameless, remote corporation as opposed to a more
>>sharing organization.
>>

[Cindy]

My group is part of WW of Philadelphia. Our leader said, "Please don't hate
the messenger." She encouraged us to write to HQ to voice our opinions. I
intend to do so. The handout we got this week states: "Lifetime members must
weigh in at each meeting. If lifetime member is more than two pounds above
weight goal, the weekly fee is required." I know of at least 8 lifetime
members in my group who won't be going weekly anymore. This may be
pennywise, but it is pound foolish! (Excuse the pun!) Lifetimers are an
asset to meeting discussions. The support part of WW is getting pushed aside
for profit. My WW friends have gotten me through some rough times...and not
just concerning weight loss. What harm is done in allowing lifetimers to
attend meetings without paying (except our once-a-month weigh-in week)?

Cindy

"Fred" > wrote in message
...
> Well, the topic for this coming week was "sharing food and menu ideas"
> so that seems open to sharing NON-WW food ideas and is pretty
> wide-ranging. It might be some leaders are more open or the rules are
> not exactly rigid but that some leaders are less willing to push the
> "corporate envelope???"
>
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:46:40 GMT, Coq > wrote:
>
> >I think Fred spoke for me. The loss of the "Sharing" aspect of WW
> >meeting could be the "iceberg" point for many of us. I also am
> >waiting to see what happens.
> >
> >Coq
> >
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:25:28 -0700, Fred >
> >wrote:
> >
> >>I saw something about paying by Lifetime members on the "chalk board"
> >>the other day but did not inquire.
> >>
> >>A leader mentioned that some of THE CORPORATE rules are becoming a bit
> >>irritating and constraining. We shall see if WW over does things in
> >>trying to be a big nameless, remote corporation as opposed to a more
> >>sharing organization.
> >>
>

[Joyce]

Thanks for passing on the *official* printed information, Cindy. I do not attend
meetings, never have, never will (I am a ww online member) but have been very
interested in this thread. Guess I'm trying to get into corporate ww head. <grin>
I don't understand where they are coming from ... or maybe I do and just don't
WANT to understand. It seems to me that ww has never really supported members
once they reach maintenance. Help is hard to find, explanations are harder. With
the change in the new program seeming to be geared more to losing than
maintaining, along with the new *rule*, it seems to me that ww almost wants
maintainers to fail. Could this be another way for ww to make more money? Don't
allow topics of food items other than ww (or those that ww possibly collects an
advertising fee from), don't share recipes that may include non ww food items,
make it much more difficult for longtime successful members to continue keeping
that weight off. It all adds up to $$$ in my eyes.

I have been on various programs in the past, all have had scheduled meetings
available that were for those that had reached their goals. They were supportive,
but topics were mainly on how to stay there. Why does ww not offer something like
this? It should be easy for them since every leader has been through the program
and reached their goal, as well as maintaining successfully. They should all be
well versed on the subject. I don't see it as a difficult thing - yet I have not
once heard of this being available. If the reasoning behind not allowing
maintainers to come to meetings on a weekly basis, because they are taking space
away from other potentional customers who want to lose ... then add some meetings
that are strictly geared to maintainers! Problem easily solved, everyone happy.
If everyone is happy, ww gets free advertising from word of mouth. Unhappy
customers are not a good thing. And the 2 pound weight differential seems rather
ridiculous to me also. Heck, 2 pounds is nothing - I can sway more than that in a
day, depending on what I have eaten - as well as taking into consideration changes
in climate, weather and related clothing. I know I'm being picky, but I think ww
is getting a bit greedier these days.

Your leader is 100% correct though. It's not fair to be angry at her, she IS only
the messenger and has to do her job.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 133.3
Lifetime: 4/4/03

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:59:47 GMT, "Cindy" > wrote:

>My group is part of WW of Philadelphia. Our leader said, "Please don't hate
>the messenger." She encouraged us to write to HQ to voice our opinions. I
>intend to do so. The handout we got this week states: "Lifetime members must
>weigh in at each meeting. If lifetime member is more than two pounds above
>weight goal, the weekly fee is required." I know of at least 8 lifetime
>members in my group who won't be going weekly anymore. This may be
>pennywise, but it is pound foolish! (Excuse the pun!) Lifetimers are an
>asset to meeting discussions. The support part of WW is getting pushed aside
>for profit. My WW friends have gotten me through some rough times...and not
>just concerning weight loss. What harm is done in allowing lifetimers to
>attend meetings without paying (except our once-a-month weigh-in week)?
>
>Cindy
>
>"Fred" > wrote in message
...
>> Well, the topic for this coming week was "sharing food and menu ideas"
>> so that seems open to sharing NON-WW food ideas and is pretty
>> wide-ranging. It might be some leaders are more open or the rules are
>> not exactly rigid but that some leaders are less willing to push the
>> "corporate envelope???"
>>
>> On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:46:40 GMT, Coq > wrote:
>>
>> >I think Fred spoke for me. The loss of the "Sharing" aspect of WW
>> >meeting could be the "iceberg" point for many of us. I also am
>> >waiting to see what happens.
>> >
>> >Coq
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:25:28 -0700, Fred >
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>I saw something about paying by Lifetime members on the "chalk board"
>> >>the other day but did not inquire.
>> >>
>> >>A leader mentioned that some of THE CORPORATE rules are becoming a bit
>> >>irritating and constraining. We shall see if WW over does things in
>> >>trying to be a big nameless, remote corporation as opposed to a more
>> >>sharing organization.
>> >>
>>
>

[Anne]

Most of WW is "corporate" but a lot of it is franchises. The franchises
can set their own rules as well as their own charges. Currently the WW
North America rule for Lifetimers is as follows:

You only need to weigh in once a month. You can attend meetings as
often as you like, BUT you weigh in at the first meeting you attend in
the calendar month. It is the same with non lifetimers who attend more
than one meeting a week -- you weigh in at the first one. As far as in
meeting support for lifetimers, it seems to be more of an individual
leader and center matter. At our center there are a couple of leaders
who are more supportive of lifetimers and a couple who are less so.
Lifetimers gravitate toward the more supportive meetings. There is also
a special promotion going on in Northern California with a lower weekly
fee for lifetimers who are above goal and want to come every week.

We tend to see WW as a monolithic corporate entity and ascribe all
practices as "corporate policy". Sometimes the practices are "franchise
policy" and some may even be handed down from local Territory Managers
and not come from ON HIGH at all.

Just my $.02 (US)

--
Anne in CA
"Don't miss the diamonds along the way; every road has led us here
today." -- Sheryl Crow
162/129/132
http://home.covad.net/~arudolph/ww.htm

Cindy wrote:
> My group is part of WW of Philadelphia. Our leader said, "Please don't hate
> the messenger." She encouraged us to write to HQ to voice our opinions. I
> intend to do so. The handout we got this week states: "Lifetime members must
> weigh in at each meeting. If lifetime member is more than two pounds above
> weight goal, the weekly fee is required." I know of at least 8 lifetime
> members in my group who won't be going weekly anymore. This may be
> pennywise, but it is pound foolish! (Excuse the pun!) Lifetimers are an
> asset to meeting discussions. The support part of WW is getting pushed aside
> for profit. My WW friends have gotten me through some rough times...and not
> just concerning weight loss. What harm is done in allowing lifetimers to
> attend meetings without paying (except our once-a-month weigh-in week)?
>
> Cindy
>
> "Fred" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Well, the topic for this coming week was "sharing food and menu ideas"
>>so that seems open to sharing NON-WW food ideas and is pretty
>>wide-ranging. It might be some leaders are more open or the rules are
>>not exactly rigid but that some leaders are less willing to push the
>>"corporate envelope???"
>>
>>On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:46:40 GMT, Coq > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I think Fred spoke for me. The loss of the "Sharing" aspect of WW
>>>meeting could be the "iceberg" point for many of us. I also am
>>>waiting to see what happens.
>>>
>>>Coq
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:25:28 -0700, Fred >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I saw something about paying by Lifetime members on the "chalk board"
>>>>the other day but did not inquire.
>>>>
>>>>A leader mentioned that some of THE CORPORATE rules are becoming a bit
>>>>irritating and constraining. We shall see if WW over does things in
>>>>trying to be a big nameless, remote corporation as opposed to a more
>>>>sharing organization.
>>>>
>>
>
>

[Deb in Northern California]

Anne,

Where are you located in Nor Cal? I am in Stockton.

Debbie

"Anne" > wrote in message
...
> Most of WW is "corporate" but a lot of it is franchises. The franchises
> can set their own rules as well as their own charges. Currently the WW
> North America rule for Lifetimers is as follows:
>
> You only need to weigh in once a month. You can attend meetings as
> often as you like, BUT you weigh in at the first meeting you attend in
> the calendar month. It is the same with non lifetimers who attend more
> than one meeting a week -- you weigh in at the first one. As far as in
> meeting support for lifetimers, it seems to be more of an individual
> leader and center matter. At our center there are a couple of leaders
> who are more supportive of lifetimers and a couple who are less so.
> Lifetimers gravitate toward the more supportive meetings. There is also
> a special promotion going on in Northern California with a lower weekly
> fee for lifetimers who are above goal and want to come every week.
>
> We tend to see WW as a monolithic corporate entity and ascribe all
> practices as "corporate policy". Sometimes the practices are "franchise
> policy" and some may even be handed down from local Territory Managers
> and not come from ON HIGH at all.
>
> Just my $.02 (US)
>
> --
> Anne in CA
> "Don't miss the diamonds along the way; every road has led us here
> today." -- Sheryl Crow
> 162/129/132
> http://home.covad.net/~arudolph/ww.htm
>
> Cindy wrote:
> > My group is part of WW of Philadelphia. Our leader said, "Please don't
hate
> > the messenger." She encouraged us to write to HQ to voice our opinions.
I
> > intend to do so. The handout we got this week states: "Lifetime members
must
> > weigh in at each meeting. If lifetime member is more than two pounds
above
> > weight goal, the weekly fee is required." I know of at least 8 lifetime
> > members in my group who won't be going weekly anymore. This may be
> > pennywise, but it is pound foolish! (Excuse the pun!) Lifetimers are an
> > asset to meeting discussions. The support part of WW is getting pushed
aside
> > for profit. My WW friends have gotten me through some rough times...and
not
> > just concerning weight loss. What harm is done in allowing lifetimers to
> > attend meetings without paying (except our once-a-month weigh-in week)?
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > "Fred" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Well, the topic for this coming week was "sharing food and menu ideas"
> >>so that seems open to sharing NON-WW food ideas and is pretty
> >>wide-ranging. It might be some leaders are more open or the rules are
> >>not exactly rigid but that some leaders are less willing to push the
> >>"corporate envelope???"
> >>
> >>On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:46:40 GMT, Coq > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I think Fred spoke for me. The loss of the "Sharing" aspect of WW
> >>>meeting could be the "iceberg" point for many of us. I also am
> >>>waiting to see what happens.
> >>>
> >>>Coq
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:25:28 -0700, Fred >
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I saw something about paying by Lifetime members on the "chalk board"
> >>>>the other day but did not inquire.
> >>>>
> >>>>A leader mentioned that some of THE CORPORATE rules are becoming a bit
> >>>>irritating and constraining. We shall see if WW over does things in
> >>>>trying to be a big nameless, remote corporation as opposed to a more
> >>>>sharing organization.
> >>>>
> >>
> >
> >
>

[Anne]

Peninsula -- Los Altos Hills (next door to Palo Alto)

Deb in Northern California wrote:

> Anne,
>
> Where are you located in Nor Cal? I am in Stockton.
>
> Debbie
>


--
Anne in CA
"Don't miss the diamonds along the way; every road has led us here
today." -- Sheryl Crow
162/129/132
http://home.covad.net/~arudolph/ww.htm

[Fred]

Well, a few weeks ago, my leader did convince me to weighin even
though I did not have to. Apparently, they, the leaders, do get paid
per head but the only way that "corporate" knows to pay them is to
have their record (the book we leave there in their files) updated and
that only happens when you weigh. So I did weigh. So maybe this is a
combo of leaders wanted to get paid a bit more and corporate.

Since I'm still new to Lifetime I was not very aware of the issues of
when payment was necessary (over goal by more than 2 pounds) and
similar issues. I know I was told I could attend FREE and only had to
weighin ONCE PER MONTH. I have to look - that may even be in the
Lifetime booklet they gave me - which I might consider a contract (but
it probably says they can change the conditions at any time!!!!)

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:59:47 GMT, "Cindy" > wrote:

>My group is part of WW of Philadelphia. Our leader said, "Please don't hate
>the messenger." She encouraged us to write to HQ to voice our opinions. I
>intend to do so. The handout we got this week states: "Lifetime members must
>weigh in at each meeting. If lifetime member is more than two pounds above
>weight goal, the weekly fee is required." I know of at least 8 lifetime
>members in my group who won't be going weekly anymore. This may be
>pennywise, but it is pound foolish! (Excuse the pun!) Lifetimers are an
>asset to meeting discussions. The support part of WW is getting pushed aside
>for profit. My WW friends have gotten me through some rough times...and not
>just concerning weight loss. What harm is done in allowing lifetimers to
>attend meetings without paying (except our once-a-month weigh-in week)?
>
>Cindy
>
>"Fred" > wrote in message
...
>> Well, the topic for this coming week was "sharing food and menu ideas"
>> so that seems open to sharing NON-WW food ideas and is pretty
>> wide-ranging. It might be some leaders are more open or the rules are
>> not exactly rigid but that some leaders are less willing to push the
>> "corporate envelope???"
>>
>> On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:46:40 GMT, Coq > wrote:
>>
>> >I think Fred spoke for me. The loss of the "Sharing" aspect of WW
>> >meeting could be the "iceberg" point for many of us. I also am
>> >waiting to see what happens.
>> >
>> >Coq
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:25:28 -0700, Fred >
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>I saw something about paying by Lifetime members on the "chalk board"
>> >>the other day but did not inquire.
>> >>
>> >>A leader mentioned that some of THE CORPORATE rules are becoming a bit
>> >>irritating and constraining. We shall see if WW over does things in
>> >>trying to be a big nameless, remote corporation as opposed to a more
>> >>sharing organization.
>> >>
>>
>

[Cindy]

Hmmm...that is very interesting! Can anyone address this? How can the rule
for North America differ from that of the Phila. franchise?

Cindy

"Anne" > wrote in message
...
> Most of WW is "corporate" but a lot of it is franchises. The franchises
> can set their own rules as well as their own charges. Currently the WW
> North America rule for Lifetimers is as follows:
>
> You only need to weigh in once a month. You can attend meetings as
> often as you like, BUT you weigh in at the first meeting you attend in
> the calendar month. It is the same with non lifetimers who attend more
> than one meeting a week -- you weigh in at the first one. As far as in
> meeting support for lifetimers, it seems to be more of an individual
> leader and center matter. At our center there are a couple of leaders
> who are more supportive of lifetimers and a couple who are less so.
> Lifetimers gravitate toward the more supportive meetings. There is also
> a special promotion going on in Northern California with a lower weekly
> fee for lifetimers who are above goal and want to come every week.
>
> We tend to see WW as a monolithic corporate entity and ascribe all
> practices as "corporate policy". Sometimes the practices are "franchise
> policy" and some may even be handed down from local Territory Managers
> and not come from ON HIGH at all.
>
> Just my $.02 (US)
>
> --
> Anne in CA
> "Don't miss the diamonds along the way; every road has led us here
> today." -- Sheryl Crow
> 162/129/132
> http://home.covad.net/~arudolph/ww.htm
>
> Cindy wrote:
> > My group is part of WW of Philadelphia. Our leader said, "Please don't
hate
> > the messenger." She encouraged us to write to HQ to voice our opinions.
I
> > intend to do so. The handout we got this week states: "Lifetime members
must
> > weigh in at each meeting. If lifetime member is more than two pounds
above
> > weight goal, the weekly fee is required." I know of at least 8 lifetime
> > members in my group who won't be going weekly anymore. This may be
> > pennywise, but it is pound foolish! (Excuse the pun!) Lifetimers are an
> > asset to meeting discussions. The support part of WW is getting pushed
aside
> > for profit. My WW friends have gotten me through some rough times...and
not
> > just concerning weight loss. What harm is done in allowing lifetimers to
> > attend meetings without paying (except our once-a-month weigh-in week)?
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > "Fred" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Well, the topic for this coming week was "sharing food and menu ideas"
> >>so that seems open to sharing NON-WW food ideas and is pretty
> >>wide-ranging. It might be some leaders are more open or the rules are
> >>not exactly rigid but that some leaders are less willing to push the
> >>"corporate envelope???"
> >>
> >>On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:46:40 GMT, Coq > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I think Fred spoke for me. The loss of the "Sharing" aspect of WW
> >>>meeting could be the "iceberg" point for many of us. I also am
> >>>waiting to see what happens.
> >>>
> >>>Coq
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:25:28 -0700, Fred >
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I saw something about paying by Lifetime members on the "chalk board"
> >>>>the other day but did not inquire.
> >>>>
> >>>>A leader mentioned that some of THE CORPORATE rules are becoming a bit
> >>>>irritating and constraining. We shall see if WW over does things in
> >>>>trying to be a big nameless, remote corporation as opposed to a more
> >>>>sharing organization.
> >>>>
> >>
> >
> >
>

[Anne]

Sorry. My explanation was unclear. The franchises are separate from the
North America Corporate. The "North America rule" that I cited was for
WW Centers that belong to the North America Corporate body. Franchises
can set their own pricing (to a point) and also seem to set other rules
as well. From my (admittedly limited) knowledge of how they work, the
franchises can set rules that are the same as, or more restrictive, but
not less restrictive.

To be very sure what "rules" are being followed at a particular center,
ask them.

--
Anne in CA
"Don't miss the diamonds along the way; every road has led us here
today." -- Sheryl Crow
162/129/132
http://home.covad.net/~arudolph/ww.htm

Cindy wrote:

> Hmmm...that is very interesting! Can anyone address this? How can the rule
> for North America differ from that of the Phila. franchise?
>
> Cindy
>
> "Anne" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Most of WW is "corporate" but a lot of it is franchises. The franchises
>>can set their own rules as well as their own charges. Currently the WW
>>North America rule for Lifetimers is as follows:
>>
>>You only need to weigh in once a month. You can attend meetings as
>>often as you like, BUT you weigh in at the first meeting you attend in
>>the calendar month. It is the same with non lifetimers who attend more
>>than one meeting a week -- you weigh in at the first one. As far as in
>>meeting support for lifetimers, it seems to be more of an individual
>>leader and center matter. At our center there are a couple of leaders
>>who are more supportive of lifetimers and a couple who are less so.
>>Lifetimers gravitate toward the more supportive meetings. There is also
>>a special promotion going on in Northern California with a lower weekly
>>fee for lifetimers who are above goal and want to come every week.
>>
>>We tend to see WW as a monolithic corporate entity and ascribe all
>>practices as "corporate policy". Sometimes the practices are "franchise
>>policy" and some may even be handed down from local Territory Managers
>>and not come from ON HIGH at all.
>>
>>Just my $.02 (US)
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>>Cindy wrote:
>>
>>>My group is part of WW of Philadelphia. Our leader said, "Please don't
>
> hate
>
>>>the messenger." She encouraged us to write to HQ to voice our opinions.
>
> I
>
>>>intend to do so. The handout we got this week states: "Lifetime members
>
> must
>
>>>weigh in at each meeting. If lifetime member is more than two pounds
>
> above
>
>>>weight goal, the weekly fee is required." I know of at least 8 lifetime
>>>members in my group who won't be going weekly anymore. This may be
>>>pennywise, but it is pound foolish! (Excuse the pun!) Lifetimers are an
>>>asset to meeting discussions. The support part of WW is getting pushed
>
> aside
>
>>>for profit. My WW friends have gotten me through some rough times...and
>
> not
>
>>>just concerning weight loss. What harm is done in allowing lifetimers to
>>>attend meetings without paying (except our once-a-month weigh-in week)?
>>>
>>>Cindy
>>>
>>>"Fred" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well, the topic for this coming week was "sharing food and menu ideas"
>>>>so that seems open to sharing NON-WW food ideas and is pretty
>>>>wide-ranging. It might be some leaders are more open or the rules are
>>>>not exactly rigid but that some leaders are less willing to push the
>>>>"corporate envelope???"
>>>>
>>>>On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:46:40 GMT, Coq > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I think Fred spoke for me. The loss of the "Sharing" aspect of WW
>>>>>meeting could be the "iceberg" point for many of us. I also am
>>>>>waiting to see what happens.
>>>>>
>>>>>Coq
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:25:28 -0700, Fred >
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I saw something about paying by Lifetime members on the "chalk board"
>>>>>>the other day but did not inquire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A leader mentioned that some of THE CORPORATE rules are becoming a bit
>>>>>>irritating and constraining. We shall see if WW over does things in
>>>>>>trying to be a big nameless, remote corporation as opposed to a more
>>>>>>sharing organization.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>

--
Anne in CA
"Don't miss the diamonds along the way; every road has led us here
today." -- Sheryl Crow
http://home.covad.net/~arudolph/annes.htm