Carrots

[Stan]

I'm in my first week (day 4). I signed up for three months online.
I've lost 9 1/2 lbs. in three days. I know it's only water, but my
ankles are grateful nonetheless. So are my feet and my knees...

On my first day, trying to catch up on this newsgroup, I was rolling
my eyes at some of you who just couldn't seem to eat enough food to
use up their points. I knew I would eventually get used to smaller
portions and so forth, but puh-leeez!

Today, I was running around like crazy, ate a light lunch, grabbed a
V8 to take in the car, had a bowl of vegetable soup at home before
running out, and later on, sat down to dinner at 9:30 without taking
time to review my points situation. I was very hungry, and ate 10
ounces of yellowfin tuna, cooked rare on the grill. That's only 6.5
points! I'm going to have that a lot, and shrimp.

Anyway, after dinner, I caught up my points tracker and I still had
11.5 points to go. I grinned to myself, thinking I'd better stop
rolling my eyes now.

Well, I really enjoyed my big bowl (two servings) of Great Grains
cereal with raisins, dates and pecans, and 8 oz. of 0.5% milk,
followed by a Swiss Miss chocolate ice cream bar! I'm still patting
my oh-so-full tummy.

Most of the points seem pretty straightforward so far. One thing that
confuses me is that a cup of raw carrots has 0 points. Steam those
carrots for 10 minutes, now the same serving has 1 point.

This makes no sense to me. What gives??

Stan

[Nathalie W]

Welcome Stan, and congrats on the loss! It might be a lot of water, but it
's still a loss! As for the carrots : can't help you, they are always 0
points on the european system :-)
--
Nathalie from Belgium
134.1/103.1/minigoal 102.3 Goal 68 Kg
295.6/227.3/minigoal 225.6/Goal 150 pounds
SWWC 238/227.3/226

"Stan" > wrote in message
...
> I'm in my first week (day 4). I signed up for three months online.
> I've lost 9 1/2 lbs. in three days. I know it's only water, but my
> ankles are grateful nonetheless. So are my feet and my knees...
>
> On my first day, trying to catch up on this newsgroup, I was rolling
> my eyes at some of you who just couldn't seem to eat enough food to
> use up their points. I knew I would eventually get used to smaller
> portions and so forth, but puh-leeez!
>
> Today, I was running around like crazy, ate a light lunch, grabbed a
> V8 to take in the car, had a bowl of vegetable soup at home before
> running out, and later on, sat down to dinner at 9:30 without taking
> time to review my points situation. I was very hungry, and ate 10
> ounces of yellowfin tuna, cooked rare on the grill. That's only 6.5
> points! I'm going to have that a lot, and shrimp.
>
> Anyway, after dinner, I caught up my points tracker and I still had
> 11.5 points to go. I grinned to myself, thinking I'd better stop
> rolling my eyes now.
>
> Well, I really enjoyed my big bowl (two servings) of Great Grains
> cereal with raisins, dates and pecans, and 8 oz. of 0.5% milk,
> followed by a Swiss Miss chocolate ice cream bar! I'm still patting
> my oh-so-full tummy.
>
> Most of the points seem pretty straightforward so far. One thing that
> confuses me is that a cup of raw carrots has 0 points. Steam those
> carrots for 10 minutes, now the same serving has 1 point.
>
> This makes no sense to me. What gives??
>
> Stan

[Susan]

I was told it is because cooking carrots brings out the natural sugar in
them. Don't understand why that affects the points but I guess WW knows
what they are doing.

[Art]

Maybe because 1 cup steamed carrots weighs more than 1 cup raw? i.e., they
shrink when cooked therefore more fits in a cup

If you took 1 cup raw carrots and steamed them, I don't see any way in the
world that the calories, fat, or fiber would change. Of course you would
probably be left with something like 3/4 c carrots when done.

"Susan" > wrote in message
...
> I was told it is because cooking carrots brings out the natural sugar in
> them. Don't understand why that affects the points but I guess WW knows
> what they are doing.
>

[Fred]

Probably has something to do with the fiber breaking down during
cooking allowing the body to extract more "sugar" or other nutrients
or requiring less work to digest and utilize the cooked carrots????

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:38:36 -0500, Stan
> wrote:

>I'm in my first week (day 4). I signed up for three months online.
>I've lost 9 1/2 lbs. in three days. I know it's only water, but my
>ankles are grateful nonetheless. So are my feet and my knees...
>
>On my first day, trying to catch up on this newsgroup, I was rolling
>my eyes at some of you who just couldn't seem to eat enough food to
>use up their points. I knew I would eventually get used to smaller
>portions and so forth, but puh-leeez!
>
>Today, I was running around like crazy, ate a light lunch, grabbed a
>V8 to take in the car, had a bowl of vegetable soup at home before
>running out, and later on, sat down to dinner at 9:30 without taking
>time to review my points situation. I was very hungry, and ate 10
>ounces of yellowfin tuna, cooked rare on the grill. That's only 6.5
>points! I'm going to have that a lot, and shrimp.
>
>Anyway, after dinner, I caught up my points tracker and I still had
>11.5 points to go. I grinned to myself, thinking I'd better stop
>rolling my eyes now.
>
>Well, I really enjoyed my big bowl (two servings) of Great Grains
>cereal with raisins, dates and pecans, and 8 oz. of 0.5% milk,
>followed by a Swiss Miss chocolate ice cream bar! I'm still patting
>my oh-so-full tummy.
>
>Most of the points seem pretty straightforward so far. One thing that
>confuses me is that a cup of raw carrots has 0 points. Steam those
>carrots for 10 minutes, now the same serving has 1 point.
>
>This makes no sense to me. What gives??
>
>Stan

[Carol in NC]

Hi Stan,

Carrots have natural sugar in them that comes out in the cooking process, so
they end up higher in points. Also there is more fiber in the raw ones, so
that affects the points too.

Carol

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63.4 lost since December 2002
I am a slim person in process.
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"Stan" > wrote in message
...
> I'm in my first week (day 4). I signed up for three months online.
> I've lost 9 1/2 lbs. in three days. I know it's only water, but my
> ankles are grateful nonetheless. So are my feet and my knees...
>
> On my first day, trying to catch up on this newsgroup, I was rolling
> my eyes at some of you who just couldn't seem to eat enough food to
> use up their points. I knew I would eventually get used to smaller
> portions and so forth, but puh-leeez!
>
> Today, I was running around like crazy, ate a light lunch, grabbed a
> V8 to take in the car, had a bowl of vegetable soup at home before
> running out, and later on, sat down to dinner at 9:30 without taking
> time to review my points situation. I was very hungry, and ate 10
> ounces of yellowfin tuna, cooked rare on the grill. That's only 6.5
> points! I'm going to have that a lot, and shrimp.
>
> Anyway, after dinner, I caught up my points tracker and I still had
> 11.5 points to go. I grinned to myself, thinking I'd better stop
> rolling my eyes now.
>
> Well, I really enjoyed my big bowl (two servings) of Great Grains
> cereal with raisins, dates and pecans, and 8 oz. of 0.5% milk,
> followed by a Swiss Miss chocolate ice cream bar! I'm still patting
> my oh-so-full tummy.
>
> Most of the points seem pretty straightforward so far. One thing that
> confuses me is that a cup of raw carrots has 0 points. Steam those
> carrots for 10 minutes, now the same serving has 1 point.
>
> This makes no sense to me. What gives??
>
> Stan

[Elaine Kirkham]

Hi Stan. Welcome aboard this great newsgroup. Congratulations for getting
of that 9.5 pounds. That's a tremendous start!
Elaine K
331.4/194.2/179

Stan wrote:

> I'm in my first week (day 4). I signed up for three months online.
> I've lost 9 1/2 lbs. in three days. I know it's only water, but my
> ankles are grateful nonetheless. So are my feet and my knees...
>
> On my first day, trying to catch up on this newsgroup, I was rolling
> my eyes at some of you who just couldn't seem to eat enough food to
> use up their points. I knew I would eventually get used to smaller
> portions and so forth, but puh-leeez!
>
> Today, I was running around like crazy, ate a light lunch, grabbed a
> V8 to take in the car, had a bowl of vegetable soup at home before
> running out, and later on, sat down to dinner at 9:30 without taking
> time to review my points situation. I was very hungry, and ate 10
> ounces of yellowfin tuna, cooked rare on the grill. That's only 6.5
> points! I'm going to have that a lot, and shrimp.
>
> Anyway, after dinner, I caught up my points tracker and I still had
> 11.5 points to go. I grinned to myself, thinking I'd better stop
> rolling my eyes now.
>
> Well, I really enjoyed my big bowl (two servings) of Great Grains
> cereal with raisins, dates and pecans, and 8 oz. of 0.5% milk,
> followed by a Swiss Miss chocolate ice cream bar! I'm still patting
> my oh-so-full tummy.
>
> Most of the points seem pretty straightforward so far. One thing that
> confuses me is that a cup of raw carrots has 0 points. Steam those
> carrots for 10 minutes, now the same serving has 1 point.
>
> This makes no sense to me. What gives??
>
> Stan

[DashoSpice]

My leader said this was changed with FlexPoints and carrots and onions, cooked
or raw, are all ZERO points again.
Dash

[Donna in Idaho \(remove invalid\)]

That's what our WW leader said . . . cooking brings out the sugar.

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"Susan" > wrote in message
...
> I was told it is because cooking carrots brings out the natural sugar in
> them. Don't understand why that affects the points but I guess WW knows
> what they are doing.
>

[Kristin]

Wow Stan, congrats on your success thus far! Almost 10 pounds is nothing to
sneeze at! :)

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"Stan" > wrote in message
...
> I'm in my first week (day 4). I signed up for three months online.
> I've lost 9 1/2 lbs. in three days. I know it's only water, but my
> ankles are grateful nonetheless. So are my feet and my knees...

[Stan]

Well, thanks for all the replies, everyone! It had occurred to me
that the carrots cook down some, and become softer, so pack into the
cup more easily, but I still couldn't see going from 0 points to 1.

I'm not sure about the fiber cooking out, but I *really* can't buy
into the idea that cooking brings out the sugar. Either the sugar is
there or it isn't.

I suppose there's also some difference in the method of cooking. If
you boil the heck out of them, I can see a more dramatic change. I
steam them for about 10 minutes.

Anyway, I'm counting the carrots as raw, even if I steam them, and I'm
just going to stick to my guns on that. I'm glad to hear from you,
Dash, that your leader agrees with me on this, but the Online Points
Tracker is on the FlexPoints system, and it says a cup of carrots is 0
points, but a cup of *cooked* carrots is 1 point.

I did notice, though, that 8 oz. of carrots is 1 point, either raw or
cooked, so there's probably something to the idea that they cook down,
that 1 cup of raw carrots becomes 3/4 cup cooked or whatever. For the
most part, I go by weight anyway, which puts me back to there not
really being any difference.

Thanks for all the thought you gave to my question, and thanks for the
encouragement!

Stan


On 25 Sep 2003 19:25:10 GMT, (DashoSpice) wrote:

>My leader said this was changed with FlexPoints and carrots and onions, cooked
>or raw, are all ZERO points again.
>Dash

[Stan]

Well, thanks. I *only* lost another half a pound today (I weigh
myself every day, even though that's a no-no, but it helps me know
when I record my weekly weight if I was having an unusually "fat" or
"skinny" day). Now I'm at an even ten pounds. So 40 more days of
this should be another 100 lbs, I figure, and then I'll be just about
right..

I'm just kidding, of course. That kind of thinking is exactly why I'm
trying not to be too exuberant about it, but I must admit that for now
it doesn't hurt to give me some incentive to stick to the plan.

Stan
Oh God, I'm supposed to post some stats here... Here goes...

309/299/199 <--- it would just be cool to see a "1" as the first
digit again, you know?


On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:49:52 -0500, "Kristin" >
wrote:

>Wow Stan, congrats on your success thus far! Almost 10 pounds is nothing to
>sneeze at! :)

[Connie Walsh]

Welcome to the ASDWW ng Stan!! Lots of caring and informative people
here!! I don't know the answer to your carrot question but I'm sure
someone has written it to you.

Congrats on losing 9.5 lbs.

Connie

Stan wrote:
> I'm in my first week (day 4). I signed up for three months online.
> I've lost 9 1/2 lbs. in three days. I know it's only water, but my
> ankles are grateful nonetheless. So are my feet and my knees...
>
> On my first day, trying to catch up on this newsgroup, I was rolling
> my eyes at some of you who just couldn't seem to eat enough food to
> use up their points. I knew I would eventually get used to smaller
> portions and so forth, but puh-leeez!
>
> Today, I was running around like crazy, ate a light lunch, grabbed a
> V8 to take in the car, had a bowl of vegetable soup at home before
> running out, and later on, sat down to dinner at 9:30 without taking
> time to review my points situation. I was very hungry, and ate 10
> ounces of yellowfin tuna, cooked rare on the grill. That's only 6.5
> points! I'm going to have that a lot, and shrimp.
>
> Anyway, after dinner, I caught up my points tracker and I still had
> 11.5 points to go. I grinned to myself, thinking I'd better stop
> rolling my eyes now.
>
> Well, I really enjoyed my big bowl (two servings) of Great Grains
> cereal with raisins, dates and pecans, and 8 oz. of 0.5% milk,
> followed by a Swiss Miss chocolate ice cream bar! I'm still patting
> my oh-so-full tummy.
>
> Most of the points seem pretty straightforward so far. One thing that
> confuses me is that a cup of raw carrots has 0 points. Steam those
> carrots for 10 minutes, now the same serving has 1 point.
>
> This makes no sense to me. What gives??
>
> Stan



--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/218.5/155
10% 241.5/218.5/217.5
25 lbs lost 241.5/218.5/216.5

[Kate Dicey]

Stan wrote:
>
> Well, thanks for all the replies, everyone! It had occurred to me
> that the carrots cook down some, and become softer, so pack into the
> cup more easily, but I still couldn't see going from 0 points to 1.
>
> I'm not sure about the fiber cooking out, but I *really* can't buy
> into the idea that cooking brings out the sugar. Either the sugar is
> there or it isn't.
>
> I suppose there's also some difference in the method of cooking. If
> you boil the heck out of them, I can see a more dramatic change. I
> steam them for about 10 minutes.
>
> Anyway, I'm counting the carrots as raw, even if I steam them, and I'm
> just going to stick to my guns on that. I'm glad to hear from you,
> Dash, that your leader agrees with me on this, but the Online Points
> Tracker is on the FlexPoints system, and it says a cup of carrots is 0
> points, but a cup of *cooked* carrots is 1 point.
>
> I did notice, though, that 8 oz. of carrots is 1 point, either raw or
> cooked, so there's probably something to the idea that they cook down,
> that 1 cup of raw carrots becomes 3/4 cup cooked or whatever. For the
> most part, I go by weight anyway, which puts me back to there not
> really being any difference.
>
> Thanks for all the thought you gave to my question, and thanks for the
> encouragement!
>
> Stan
>
> On 25 Sep 2003 19:25:10 GMT, (DashoSpice) wrote:
>
> >My leader said this was changed with FlexPoints and carrots and onions, cooked
> >or raw, are all ZERO points again.
> >Dash


Eat UK carrots! They have no points, cooked or raw!

Oh, and 10 minutes is way too long to cook a poor wee carrot! 5
minutes, tops - still has a bit of crunch, and most of the vitamines.
;)
--
Kate XXXXXX (Carrot Queen!)
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

[Denise]

My thinking is that none of us got here buy eating too many carrots! If
that's your only vice, go for it.

--
Denise
233/201/133

[Brenda Hammond]

Welcome to the group Stan!
--
Brenda
209/174/150
SWWC goal 165

"Stan" > wrote in message
...
> I'm in my first week (day 4). I signed up for three months online.
> I've lost 9 1/2 lbs. in three days. I know it's only water, but my
> ankles are grateful nonetheless. So are my feet and my knees...
>
> On my first day, trying to catch up on this newsgroup, I was rolling
> my eyes at some of you who just couldn't seem to eat enough food to
> use up their points. I knew I would eventually get used to smaller
> portions and so forth, but puh-leeez!
>
> Today, I was running around like crazy, ate a light lunch, grabbed a
> V8 to take in the car, had a bowl of vegetable soup at home before
> running out, and later on, sat down to dinner at 9:30 without taking
> time to review my points situation. I was very hungry, and ate 10
> ounces of yellowfin tuna, cooked rare on the grill. That's only 6.5
> points! I'm going to have that a lot, and shrimp.
>
> Anyway, after dinner, I caught up my points tracker and I still had
> 11.5 points to go. I grinned to myself, thinking I'd better stop
> rolling my eyes now.
>
> Well, I really enjoyed my big bowl (two servings) of Great Grains
> cereal with raisins, dates and pecans, and 8 oz. of 0.5% milk,
> followed by a Swiss Miss chocolate ice cream bar! I'm still patting
> my oh-so-full tummy.
>
> Most of the points seem pretty straightforward so far. One thing that
> confuses me is that a cup of raw carrots has 0 points. Steam those
> carrots for 10 minutes, now the same serving has 1 point.
>
> This makes no sense to me. What gives??
>
> Stan

[Laura]

Many people weigh themselves everyday, myself included, for the same reason
that you wrote. It gives me an idea of how I am doing. Helps keep me on
track too. I only count Thursday mornings as my "official" weigh in. This
day is left over from when I was going to meetings. I really could change it
to any day I want to now that I am not going to meetings.

"Stan" > wrote in message
...
> Well, thanks. I *only* lost another half a pound today (I weigh
> myself every day, even though that's a no-no, but it helps me know
> when I record my weekly weight if I was having an unusually "fat" or
> "skinny" day). Now I'm at an even ten pounds. So 40 more days of
> this should be another 100 lbs, I figure, and then I'll be just about
> right..
>
> I'm just kidding, of course. That kind of thinking is exactly why I'm
> trying not to be too exuberant about it, but I must admit that for now
> it doesn't hurt to give me some incentive to stick to the plan.
>
> Stan
> Oh God, I'm supposed to post some stats here... Here goes...
>
> 309/299/199 <--- it would just be cool to see a "1" as the first
> digit again, you know?
>
>
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:49:52 -0500, "Kristin" >
> wrote:
>
> >Wow Stan, congrats on your success thus far! Almost 10 pounds is nothing
to
> >sneeze at! :)
>

[Anne]

FWIW, I bet *none* of us got to be overweight by eating too many carrots
.... :-) So, if you continue to lose by counting the cooked ones as 0, go
for it. Congrats on the first week's nice loss.

Oh, yeah, and around here you aren't allowed to use the word "only" when
discussing *any* weight loss: it's only a pound, it's only water ...,
it's only ...

--
Anne in CA
"Don't miss the diamonds along the way; every road has led us here
today." -- Sheryl Crow
162/129/132
http://home.covad.net/~arudolph/annes.htm

Stan wrote:
> Well, thanks for all the replies, everyone! It had occurred to me
> that the carrots cook down some, and become softer, so pack into the
> cup more easily, but I still couldn't see going from 0 points to 1.
>
> I'm not sure about the fiber cooking out, but I *really* can't buy
> into the idea that cooking brings out the sugar. Either the sugar is
> there or it isn't.
>
> I suppose there's also some difference in the method of cooking. If
> you boil the heck out of them, I can see a more dramatic change. I
> steam them for about 10 minutes.
>
> Anyway, I'm counting the carrots as raw, even if I steam them, and I'm
> just going to stick to my guns on that. I'm glad to hear from you,
> Dash, that your leader agrees with me on this, but the Online Points
> Tracker is on the FlexPoints system, and it says a cup of carrots is 0
> points, but a cup of *cooked* carrots is 1 point.
>
> I did notice, though, that 8 oz. of carrots is 1 point, either raw or
> cooked, so there's probably something to the idea that they cook down,
> that 1 cup of raw carrots becomes 3/4 cup cooked or whatever. For the
> most part, I go by weight anyway, which puts me back to there not
> really being any difference.
>
> Thanks for all the thought you gave to my question, and thanks for the
> encouragement!
>
> Stan
>
>
> On 25 Sep 2003 19:25:10 GMT, (DashoSpice) wrote:
>
>
>>My leader said this was changed with FlexPoints and carrots and onions, cooked
>>or raw, are all ZERO points again.
>>Dash
>
>

[Susan]

According to the new Complete Food Companion for the Flex Points
program, cooked onions and cooked carrots are still 1 point per cup and
raw onions and raw carrots are still 0 points per cup.

[SuzyQ]

Don't forget the other rule....always use *only* for a gain. It's only half
a pound, it's only one week. :-)
--
SuzyQ
Weight 124
WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

"Anne" > wrote in message
...
> FWIW, I bet *none* of us got to be overweight by eating too many carrots
> ... :-) So, if you continue to lose by counting the cooked ones as 0, go
> for it. Congrats on the first week's nice loss.
>
> Oh, yeah, and around here you aren't allowed to use the word "only" when
> discussing *any* weight loss: it's only a pound, it's only water ...,
> it's only ...
>
> --
> Anne in CA
> "Don't miss the diamonds along the way; every road has led us here
> today." -- Sheryl Crow
> 162/129/132
> http://home.covad.net/~arudolph/annes.htm
>
> Stan wrote:
> > Well, thanks for all the replies, everyone! It had occurred to me
> > that the carrots cook down some, and become softer, so pack into the
> > cup more easily, but I still couldn't see going from 0 points to 1.
> >
> > I'm not sure about the fiber cooking out, but I *really* can't buy
> > into the idea that cooking brings out the sugar. Either the sugar is
> > there or it isn't.
> >
> > I suppose there's also some difference in the method of cooking. If
> > you boil the heck out of them, I can see a more dramatic change. I
> > steam them for about 10 minutes.
> >
> > Anyway, I'm counting the carrots as raw, even if I steam them, and I'm
> > just going to stick to my guns on that. I'm glad to hear from you,
> > Dash, that your leader agrees with me on this, but the Online Points
> > Tracker is on the FlexPoints system, and it says a cup of carrots is 0
> > points, but a cup of *cooked* carrots is 1 point.
> >
> > I did notice, though, that 8 oz. of carrots is 1 point, either raw or
> > cooked, so there's probably something to the idea that they cook down,
> > that 1 cup of raw carrots becomes 3/4 cup cooked or whatever. For the
> > most part, I go by weight anyway, which puts me back to there not
> > really being any difference.
> >
> > Thanks for all the thought you gave to my question, and thanks for the
> > encouragement!
> >
> > Stan
> >
> >
> > On 25 Sep 2003 19:25:10 GMT, (DashoSpice) wrote:
> >
> >
> >>My leader said this was changed with FlexPoints and carrots and onions,
cooked
> >>or raw, are all ZERO points again.
> >>Dash
> >
> >
>

[Stan]

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:56:43 -0700, Anne >
wrote:

>FWIW, I bet *none* of us got to be overweight by eating too many carrots
>... :-) So, if you continue to lose by counting the cooked ones as 0, go
>for it. Congrats on the first week's nice loss.
>
>Oh, yeah, and around here you aren't allowed to use the word "only" when
>discussing *any* weight loss: it's only a pound, it's only water ...,
>it's only ...

I'll try to remember that, but I'm only human. :-)

Stan