Weight report & BG

Roger Zoul wrote:

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|| I suggest you forgot the competition and do whatever you can to get your
|| sister in here.


I don't see it as a competition -- not at all! I'm just hoping that when
she sees what I will have accomplished over the next few months with
low-carb vs. where she is with low-fat, that it will help convince her to at
least try l.c. The sad fact is, I honestly think that she will never
change. She's extremely stubborn, and her attitude is: What makes me think
that I know more than the American Diabetes Association and her doctor (who
also pushes low-fat for her diabetes)? Unfortunately -- although I hope I'm
wrong -- I think she'll still be eating her low fat foods when they start
taking her toes one at at time. And I mean this literally, not in any way
joking manner. I pray I'm wrong.
--
Peter
website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

marengo wrote in message
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Cubit wrote:
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|| Oddly, alt.support.low-carb seems to help me control my diabetes type
2
|| more than alt.support.diabetes has.
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|| Cubit
|| 308/295.5/165 lbs.

I was just diagnosed with T2 diabetes a few days ago. It's not too bad
yet
(BG was 135, although A1C was 9). Back to Atkins induction for me, with
a
new determination to lose an additional 80 pounds. Fortunately for me, my
new (young and up-to-date) doctor prescribed a very low-carbohydrate
diet --
along with regular exercise -- as treatment.

My sister has been diabetic for years, and follows the ADA approach (low
fat/high carb). But she has steadily gains weight, continues to increase
her meds, and has developed neuropathy in both feet as well as some heart
problems. Yet she told me this weekend that it's "OK to eat sugar now"
according to her ADA support meeting leader, and that the concept of
diabetics not being able to eat sugar is "old fashioned!" She eats
basically anything she wants as long as it says "low fat" somewhere on it
(ice cream, cake, candies, potato chips, junk food of all sorts)
Unbelievable! All I can say is it's going to be interesting to see what
happens to my low-carb numbers compared to low-fat numbers in a few
months!

If your sister is eating like that, she is NOT following, the ADA diet.
Yes, sugar is fine to eat. But only occasionally and it must be worked into
the eating plan. Carbs are what raise BG, and carbs is what we must watch.
Sugar is a carb. The ADA does NOT tell anyone to eat junk food. What they
say is that you can work an occasional treat into your eating plan, such as
a piece of birthday cake. And that piece of cake is probably a lot smaller
than you'd realize and most likely without the icing! The ADA eating plan
emphasis whole grains and foods that are naturally low in fat, like
vegetables. Not junk food! Sounds like your sister is in denial and
trying to pull the wool over your eyes as well.

--
Type 2
http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

"Carmen" wrote in message
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Hi Cubit
Cubit wrote:
This morning I weighed in at: 295.5
This about a 1/2 pound better than last week.
Blood Glucose: 122
122 is the lowest I have had in 2 years. Three months ago I was
averaging a BG of 235, or so.

Oddly, alt.support.low-carb seems to help me control my diabetes
type 2 more than alt.support.diabetes has.

The results you've been seeing are great, I saw great results myself
low-carbing (it'll be 5 years on Jan 1st, and my most recent A1c is
4.9%).

Low-carbing is a valuable tool for diabetics - especially Type IIs -
but don't be too shocked if a few folks in ASD take your post as a
personal affront.

I didn't take Cubit's post as a personal affront, but I do find yours to be
offensive. It's as though you are lumping all of us here together and you
are making us sound like sheep!

First, they were told for years that low fat was the only acceptable diet
for a diabetic, and that message came from their healthcare providers -
people they *have* to trust.

I do not blindly trust any health care provider. I've been mis-diagnosed,
failed to be diagnosed, and failed to be treated properly more times than I
care to remember. I check everything out that I am told, even if it sounds
right. My diagnosis of psoriasis certainly sounded right. And while I do
in fact have psoriasis, the rash on my legs was caused by something far more
serious. Had that been treated from the start, I would have been spared a
few years of pain, misery and would not have been left as a shut-in. Had my
diabetes been diagnosed properly perhaps there would have been even less
damage to my body


If the doctor/nurse/PA/Nurse Practitioner/Diabetes educator was wrong
about
that, what other mistakes might they have made? I'm sure how you can
see that that's an uncomfortable road that'd lead to fervant denial.
Just human nature.

I don't think denial is human nature. It's a choice that some people make.

Secondly, you did kind of kick them in the teeth when you said that ASDL-C
was more helpful than ASD. The vast majority of folks in ASD are trying to
help - even the perenially
cranky ones. G

How is that a kick in the teeth? Not all of us here do low carb. Some of
us (like me) have more than one medical condition we are dealing with. I'm
glad low carb works for you, but it doesn't work for everyone.

snip


--
Type 2
http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

"Julie Bove" wrote in message
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"Carmen" wrote in message
...
Hi Cubit
Cubit wrote:
Oddly, alt.support.low-carb seems to help me control my
diabetes
type 2 more than alt.support.diabetes has.

Low-carbing is a valuable tool for diabetics - especially Type
IIs -
but don't be too shocked if a few folks in ASD take your post as a
personal affront.

I didn't take Cubit's post as a personal affront, but I do find
yours to be
offensive. It's as though you are lumping all of us here together
and you
are making us sound like sheep!

Please reread the portion you quoted Julie. It clearly says "a few
folks".

Secondly, you did kind of kick them in the teeth when you said
that ASDL-C
was more helpful than ASD. The vast majority of folks in ASD are
trying to
help - even the perenially cranky ones. G

How is that a kick in the teeth? Not all of us here do low carb.
Some of
us (like me) have more than one medical condition we are dealing
with. I'm
glad low carb works for you, but it doesn't work for everyone.

It seems as if you are determined to be offended this evening. Once
again, please *read* the portion you quoted. Cubit said that ASDL-C
was more helpful than ASD. He was talking about the *newsgroups*, not
a diet. (Here is his original statement: "Oddly, alt.support.low-carb
seems to help me control my diabetes type 2 more than
alt.support.diabetes has.")
This sort of reaction is *exactly* what I warning him about.

Carmen

If you haven't heard of these there is a at home A1c test from Metrika. I
spend my No Smoking bucks and get one every month. It provides me with long
term feedback, in the short term. 8))

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In the yellow haze of the sun
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"Cubit" wrote in message
.. .
But seriously, Good Job!
Do you feel better? Lighter?
Hows the A1c?

I do feel better on low-carb.

My last HGB A1C was 9.5% on 11/5/2003.

I don't have a doctor's appointment scheduled for the near future, but I
look forward to seeing his new numbers, when I do see him.

Great info, but $24.95 per test kit is a lot.

They didn't say how much the meter is.


"t2_lurking" wrote in message
...
If you haven't heard of these there is a at home A1c test from Metrika. I
spend my No Smoking bucks and get one every month. It provides me with
long
term feedback, in the short term. 8))

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--

t2_lurking
geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom
Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete)
============================
Well, i dreamed i saw the silver
Space ships flying
In the yellow haze of the sun
-- Neil Young --

"Cubit" wrote in message
.. .
But seriously, Good Job!
Do you feel better? Lighter?
Hows the A1c?

I do feel better on low-carb.

My last HGB A1C was 9.5% on 11/5/2003.

I don't have a doctor's appointment scheduled for the near future, but I
look forward to seeing his new numbers, when I do see him.

My diagnosis of psoriasis certainly sounded right. And while I do
in fact have psoriasis, the rash on my legs was caused by something far
more
serious. Had that been treated from the start, I would have been spared a
few years of pain, misery and would not have been left as a shut-in. Had
my
diabetes been diagnosed properly perhaps there would have been even less
damage to my body

I have Psoriasis too. Some of it is on my legs. Now you are scaring me.

What rash on your legs led to being a shut-in?

(I can't help thinking of human parasites from Africa and Syphilis. Sorry.)

On the newsgroup help, I didn't mean to suggest that individuals were less
motivate to help. I found the quantity of helpful posts higher, and the
skew toward Low-Carb was what I needed to control Type 2.

"Carmen" wrote in message
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"Julie Bove" wrote in message
...

"Carmen" wrote in message
...
Hi Cubit
Cubit wrote:
Oddly, alt.support.low-carb seems to help me control my
diabetes
type 2 more than alt.support.diabetes has.

Low-carbing is a valuable tool for diabetics - especially Type
IIs -
but don't be too shocked if a few folks in ASD take your post as a
personal affront.

I didn't take Cubit's post as a personal affront, but I do find
yours to be
offensive. It's as though you are lumping all of us here together
and you
are making us sound like sheep!

Please reread the portion you quoted Julie. It clearly says "a few
folks".

I did. And you also mentioned the low carbing thing as though that is the
only way to go.

Secondly, you did kind of kick them in the teeth when you said
that ASDL-C
was more helpful than ASD. The vast majority of folks in ASD are
trying to
help - even the perenially cranky ones. G

How is that a kick in the teeth? Not all of us here do low carb.
Some of
us (like me) have more than one medical condition we are dealing
with. I'm
glad low carb works for you, but it doesn't work for everyone.

It seems as if you are determined to be offended this evening. Once
again, please *read* the portion you quoted. Cubit said that ASDL-C
was more helpful than ASD. He was talking about the *newsgroups*, not
a diet. (Here is his original statement: "Oddly, alt.support.low-carb
seems to help me control my diabetes type 2 more than
alt.support.diabetes has.")
This sort of reaction is *exactly* what I warning him about.

I know that. But then *you* had to bring up the low carb diet part.

--
Type 2
http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

"Cubit" wrote in message
. ..
My diagnosis of psoriasis certainly sounded right. And while I do
in fact have psoriasis, the rash on my legs was caused by something far
more
serious. Had that been treated from the start, I would have been spared
a
few years of pain, misery and would not have been left as a shut-in.
Had
my
diabetes been diagnosed properly perhaps there would have been even less
damage to my body

I have Psoriasis too. Some of it is on my legs. Now you are scaring me.

What rash on your legs led to being a shut-in?

Stasis Dermatitis due to Venous Insufficiency. In other words, the blood
goes down the legs, but doesn't return to the heart. The feet and legs
swell and so much blood leaks out that it finally appears as a rash that
ulcers if not treated. The leaking blood means no blood can get to the
muscles. They get weak and you can't stand up or walk very well.

(I can't help thinking of human parasites from Africa and Syphilis.
Sorry.)

On the newsgroup help, I didn't mean to suggest that individuals were less
motivate to help. I found the quantity of helpful posts higher, and the
skew toward Low-Carb was what I needed to control Type 2.

I have no problems with your post. I was objecting to what Carmen said.

--
Type 2
http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

"Julie Bove" wrote in message
...
Low-carbing is a valuable tool for diabetics - especially Type
IIs -
but don't be too shocked if a few folks in ASD take your post
as a
personal affront.

I didn't take Cubit's post as a personal affront, but I do find
yours to be
offensive. It's as though you are lumping all of us here
together
and you
are making us sound like sheep!

Please reread the portion you quoted Julie. It clearly says "a
few
folks".

I did. And you also mentioned the low carbing thing as though that
is the
only way to go.

Secondly, you did kind of kick them in the teeth when you said
that ASDL-C
was more helpful than ASD. The vast majority of folks in ASD
are
trying to
help - even the perenially cranky ones. G

How is that a kick in the teeth? Not all of us here do low
carb.
Some of
us (like me) have more than one medical condition we are dealing
with. I'm
glad low carb works for you, but it doesn't work for everyone.

It seems as if you are determined to be offended this evening.
Once
again, please *read* the portion you quoted. Cubit said that
ASDL-C
was more helpful than ASD. He was talking about the *newsgroups*,
not
a diet. (Here is his original statement: "Oddly,
alt.support.low-carb
seems to help me control my diabetes type 2 more than
alt.support.diabetes has.")
This sort of reaction is *exactly* what I warning him about.

I know that. But then *you* had to bring up the low carb diet part.

I mentioned that low-carb is a valuable tool for diabetics - just like
metformin, and Avandia and insulin and exercise. Not every diabetic
uses those tools, but that doesn't make them less valuable tools for
diabetics.
Your interpretation of what I said: "And you also mentioned the low
carbing thing as though that is the only way to go." is incorrect.
You interpreted what I wrote in such a way as to enable you to be
offended for whatever reason. That's on you, not me. From here on
out you'll have to rant to someone else though, because my patience
with you is now gone.

Carmen