Ordered to go on a low fiber diet!

"Cookie Cutter" wrote in message
...
: I was diagnosed with severe diverticulosis 4 years ago. I was told that
the
: *only* thing I needed to do was use Metamucil (or an equivalent) every
day.
: I have no problems since then. I think you need to find another doctor,
: preferably a GI specialist.
:
: --
: Cookie

First, I plan to see what the blood tests show....

Pat in TX

You're the stupid one if you think doctors are gods.

In ,
Biznatch Hadhersnatch stated
|
| Here we have a perfect example as to why support groups are useless.
| They either have belligerent arseholes like Ted **** and his sycophant
| simpletons or idiots like Roger Zoul who want to challenge everything
| but don't have sufficient intellect to out think a single celled
| organism.
|
| This stupid, stupid man is presuming to challenge a medical
| professional in an area where he not only lacks knowledge or
| expertise, but where he hasn't any facts. He doesn't comprehend what
| he reads, he doesn't understand that a doctor putting someone on a
| particular regime for a week (not for life you ****ing idiot) in
| order to make a determination as to a final diagnosis, is simply
| looking for comparative results. He may put the OP on a high fibre
| diet next week to compare results.
|
| **** off you dullwitted, slow thinking, know nothing, and stop trying
| to give people bad, possibly dangerous advice.
|
| People, DON'T TAKE ADVICE FROM USENET KOOKS, ONLY LISTEN TO YOUR
| DOCTORS.
|
| P.
| P.

Pat wrote:
::: Well, from what I've read if you have bleeding, it can be
::: potentially serious, possibly requiring surgery. I had both pain
::: and bleeding (on several occasions). This was about 3 months after
::: I started LCing (at that time I was eating a lot of high-fat meat
::: and not so many veggies)...so I immediately started taking fiber
::: supplements, and the problems disappeared (I also had a colonoscopy
::: to confirm that for me the diverticulosis is rather severe). Once
::: I started the fiber therapy, I've not had any further problems with
::: diverticulitis. Later that year (2002), I read about how it was
::: once thought that seeds & nuts were a no-no and thought to be a
::: possible cause. However, upon reading a book out of Harvard, I
::: learned that that notion was entire conjure. It has been found that
::: people get the problems regardless of eating nuts and seeds but
::: more frequently when having hard stools (which make it seem a bit
::: odd that you have issues now)
::
:: I have been eating 2 cups of Fiber 1 with half an apple and
:: lubricated with soy milk every day for months now. So, no, the lack
:: of fiber has definitely NOT been a problem with me! In fact, that
:: was one idea I read on how to lose weight. The dietition said to eat
:: a 'boring' breakfast and lunch so that you don't have a tendency to
:: overeat, and then vary the supper meal.

I kinda thought so...

::
:: I think we need to separate tree nuts from peanuts in our
:: discussion. When I eat tree nuts, my teeth pretty much grind it down
:: to a smooth paste, but the peanuts can stay as little nuggets. Or
:: maybe I eat peanuts too fast!

It sounds as if you're staying you eat some nuts different than
peanuts....find that hard to believe. The thing is, insoluble fiber is
thought to be more of a problem than soluble fiber (the former doesn't break
down), but I don't think anyone knows for sure. I don't eat peanuts much,
mostly almonds, pecans, macs, etc. But I do eat peanuts when I can't get
real nuts (trail mix on a bike ride - that saved my butt last December on
the century I did), and I've never had a problem. I eat popcorn sometimes
as a carb up before a long bike ride day. Still no problems. But if all
you have to give up is peanuts, then I'd really not worry about it, as the
other nuts are probably better for you anyway. I just hate hearing any
advice coming to a LCer saying to give up nuts (even though, some of us do
need to limit them!!!)

::
::: At least you're not bleeding too. So you have not had a
::: colonoscopy yet, right?
::
:: No, not yet. He said the next step would be a sonogram....

So, right now, diverticulosis is a likely guess my your doctor, based on
symptoms?

Pat wrote:
||| Huh. I thought the "no seeds and nuts for people with
||| diverticulitis" was outdated advice. Was it something else
||| about the peanuts rather
||| than their being small hard particles?
|||
||| Priscilla
||
|| Well, consider that I didn't have diverticulitis until...now.
|| But, he said that peanuts were the usual suspect because they
|| didn't grind down as small as other nuts. He said that when
|| you ate peanuts, some tended to go through as small nuggets
|| whereas almonds, for example, would go through as a kind of
|| paste. Maybe it's my fault for not chewing them well!
||
|| Pat in TX

Kind of reminds me of when I was a kid and the advise was
that you should chew each bite a certain number of times. I
can't remember the number, so it didn't stick.

:-) BJ

:
: It sounds as if you're staying you eat some nuts different than
: peanuts....find that hard to believe. The thing is, insoluble fiber is
: thought to be more of a problem than soluble fiber (the former doesn't
break
: down), but I don't think anyone knows for sure. I don't eat peanuts much,
: mostly almonds, pecans, macs, etc. But I do eat peanuts when I can't get
: real nuts (trail mix on a bike ride - that saved my butt last December on
: the century I did), and I've never had a problem. I eat popcorn sometimes
: as a carb up before a long bike ride day. Still no problems. But if all
: you have to give up is peanuts, then I'd really not worry about it, as the
: other nuts are probably better for you anyway. I just hate hearing any
: advice coming to a LCer saying to give up nuts (even though, some of us do
: need to limit them!!!)

I had never had problems with nuts or peanuts, either, prior to this. I
don't say to give them up, just that the doc said peanuts cause more of this
sort of problem than any other nut.
What I'm saying about peanuts:
1.if you eat them, chew them very, very well.


: So, right now, diverticulosis is a likely guess my your doctor, based on
: symptoms?

That or a bacterial infection. So, he gave me Cipro and Flagyl in the
meantime while we wait for the blood test results.

Pat in TX
:
:

Roger Zoul wrote:
I read about how it was
|| once thought that seeds & nuts were a no-no and thought to be a
|| possible cause. However, upon reading a book out of Harvard, I
|| learned that that notion was entire conjure.

If this is true, why are specialists still recommending that people
diagnosed with diverticulosis not eat nuts and seeds? I was just told this
a few months ago after my first colonoscopy. Is the book you are referring
to not accepted by the medical community?
--
Peter
Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

Marengo wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
:: I read about how it was
:::: once thought that seeds & nuts were a no-no and thought to be a
:::: possible cause. However, upon reading a book out of Harvard, I
:::: learned that that notion was entire conjure.
::
:: If this is true, why are specialists still recommending that people
:: diagnosed with diverticulosis not eat nuts and seeds? I was just
:: told this a few months ago after my first colonoscopy. Is the book
:: you are referring to not accepted by the medical community?

Well, the authors of that book (MDs, btw) did the checking and found it to
be so. However, as you must be aware, not all MDs keep up with everything
in their fields. Both my doctor and my person who did my colonoscopy told
me to avoid nuts and seeds.

I'll get the book info for you next week. My body seems to be in agreement
with their claim, BTW, so for me it represents truth.

And of course, we could pose similar questions about high-fat diets such as
LC, huh?

Probably for the same reason some doctors freak out at the word "Atkins", or
recommend low fat, etc. They just can't/won't keep up with everything.

In news:nKVne.64617$sy6.56836@lakeread04,
Marengo stated
..
|
| If this is true, why are specialists still recommending that people
| diagnosed with diverticulosis not eat nuts and seeds? I was just
| told this a few months ago after my first colonoscopy. Is the book
| you are referring to not accepted by the medical community?
| --
| Peter
| Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

In article nKVne.64617$sy6.56836@lakeread04,
"Marengo" wrote:

Roger Zoul wrote:
I read about how it was
|| once thought that seeds & nuts were a no-no and thought to be a
|| possible cause. However, upon reading a book out of Harvard, I
|| learned that that notion was entire conjure.

If this is true, why are specialists still recommending that people
diagnosed with diverticulosis not eat nuts and seeds? I was just told this
a few months ago after my first colonoscopy. Is the book you are referring
to not accepted by the medical community?

It takes a while for new information to filter out to clinicians in the
field. Consider how badly-informed they are about diet and nutrition
and how many of them tell us that a low-carb diet is dangerous and
unhealthy.

Priscilla
--
"Inside every older person is a younger person -- wondering what
the hell happened." -- Cora Harvey Armstrong

Roger Zoul wrote:
|| Marengo wrote:
|||| Roger Zoul wrote:
|||| I read about how it was
|||||| once thought that seeds & nuts were a no-no and thought to be a
|||||| possible cause. However, upon reading a book out of Harvard, I
|||||| learned that that notion was entire conjure.
||||
|||| If this is true, why are specialists still recommending that people
|||| diagnosed with diverticulosis not eat nuts and seeds? I was just
|||| told this a few months ago after my first colonoscopy. Is the book
|||| you are referring to not accepted by the medical community?
||
|| Well, the authors of that book (MDs, btw) did the checking and found
|| it to be so. However, as you must be aware, not all MDs keep up
|| with everything in their fields. Both my doctor and my person who
|| did my colonoscopy told me to avoid nuts and seeds.
||
|| I'll get the book info for you next week. My body seems to be in
|| agreement with their claim, BTW, so for me it represents truth.
||
|| And of course, we could pose similar questions about high-fat diets
|| such as LC, huh?

True. I'd like to read that book.

--
Peter
Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo