Diet Season is Over

In article ,
says...
Folks,

The big Low Carb marketing blast you saw in January was part of the
regularly scheduled "diet season" which comes around every year after people
put on their holiday 10 pounds. It ends every year, like clockwork, with
the Superbowl. Around the same time gyms clear out as all the people who
signed up for memberships stop coming.

If you're still dieting now, you are one of the very small percentage of
people who are--and there are not enough of you to make it worth while for
supermarkets to clear out a whole aisle for you.

Fortunately, the low carb veggies, meats, and cheeses will always be
available at the store, and for those of you who like the bars and other
products, they're still there too, just stuck away in different aisles.

But if you ask around among your friends and acquaintances who went on diets
on January first, you'll probably find that very few are still at it six
weeks later. . . .



A very perceptive and interesting post, Jenny!

Another reason that Diet Season is over:

The media must cleanse our mental palattes re. dieting so that
Valentines Day (aka Chocoholics Anonymous) Season can begin.

Then, in March, we will have Drink Like an Irishman! Season (St.
Patrick's Day)

In April, it's all about Your Taxes and YOU!

May -- Buy that Perfect Gift for Mom!

June -- Spend Thousands of Dollars on a Traditional Wedding!

July -- A brief Get Into Shape for Your Swimsuit! Season, followed by
lots of Drink Lots of Beer at a Picnic!

August -- Spend Money on a Summer Getaway!

September -- Spend Money on Clothes for Back to School!

October -- Spend Money on Ghost and Goblin Costumes!

November -- Spend Money on Turkey and the Trimmings!

December -- Spend a Fortune on Christmas!

until we are back to January -- Penance for Your Holiday Sins!

It's all about giving the masses the same things to think about (i.e.,
the same things to buy) every month of every year. It's so familiar and
comforting.


--
************************************
Linda Harms
New York, NY

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5

Linda,

How could you have forgotten Easter--Chocolate Bunny Day.

I used to know spring was coming when I sighted my first Russell Stover
Maple Cream egg. If they come up with a low carb version--even a phony low
carb version, I'm doomed. g

-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm



"Linda Harms" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
Folks,

The big Low Carb marketing blast you saw in January was part of the
regularly scheduled "diet season" which comes around every year after
people
put on their holiday 10 pounds. It ends every year, like clockwork,
with
the Superbowl. Around the same time gyms clear out as all the people who
signed up for memberships stop coming.

If you're still dieting now, you are one of the very small percentage of
people who are--and there are not enough of you to make it worth while
for
supermarkets to clear out a whole aisle for you.

Fortunately, the low carb veggies, meats, and cheeses will always be
available at the store, and for those of you who like the bars and other
products, they're still there too, just stuck away in different aisles.

But if you ask around among your friends and acquaintances who went on
diets
on January first, you'll probably find that very few are still at it six
weeks later. . . .



A very perceptive and interesting post, Jenny!

Another reason that Diet Season is over:

The media must cleanse our mental palattes re. dieting so that
Valentines Day (aka Chocoholics Anonymous) Season can begin.

Then, in March, we will have Drink Like an Irishman! Season (St.
Patrick's Day)

In April, it's all about Your Taxes and YOU!

May -- Buy that Perfect Gift for Mom!

June -- Spend Thousands of Dollars on a Traditional Wedding!

July -- A brief Get Into Shape for Your Swimsuit! Season, followed by
lots of Drink Lots of Beer at a Picnic!

August -- Spend Money on a Summer Getaway!

September -- Spend Money on Clothes for Back to School!

October -- Spend Money on Ghost and Goblin Costumes!

November -- Spend Money on Turkey and the Trimmings!

December -- Spend a Fortune on Christmas!

until we are back to January -- Penance for Your Holiday Sins!

It's all about giving the masses the same things to think about (i.e.,
the same things to buy) every month of every year. It's so familiar and
comforting.


--
************************************
Linda Harms
New York, NY

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Last Shot At The Mu_n wrote:

On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:14:53 -0500, "Jenny"
wrote:

Folks,

The big Low Carb marketing blast you saw in January was part of the
regularly scheduled "diet season" which comes around every year after people
put on their holiday 10 pounds. It ends every year, like clockwork, with
the Superbowl. Around the same time gyms clear out as all the people who
signed up for memberships stop coming.

Sure have.

If you're still dieting now, you are one of the very small percentage of
people who are--and there are not enough of you to make it worth while for
supermarkets to clear out a whole aisle for you.

Saw this yesterday. Gone, gone gone.

But if you ask around among your friends and acquaintances who went on diets
on January first, you'll probably find that very few are still at it six
weeks later. . . .

Why is that?

Several reasons. One, no real commitment to the realities of lowered
food consumption. Two, they know that book diets fail at extravagant
rates. Three, no change in their relationships with food.

Others?

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap950909.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.


...

(4) Food industry's multi-level marketing strategies.

(5) Increasing trend for bulk food purchases.

(6) Advancements in the culinary arts (Emeril Lagasse, Oliver Twist, Food Network
et al).

(7) Deep rooted cultural ties with food and eating.

Good discussion :-)

Now lets keep this up without the insults.

LOLOL So Chung then posts his macro filled with insults. LOL Poor
clown can't seem himself as others see him.

Though Dr. Chung invented this approach, he did not initiate the Usenet
discussion(s).

Somebody just asked about it out of the blue...? Right.

These hateful folks

Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation,

where Dr. Chung's credentials can be verified many times over and libelous claims
that credentials were bought are easily and summarily debunked.

Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning the anon
posters who continue to hiss (ie JC Der Koenig and Mack):

(2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory characters.

LOL What a perfectly perfect fraud.

Bob

Linda Harms wrote:
:: A very perceptive and interesting post, Jenny!
::
:: Another reason that Diet Season is over:
::
:: The media must cleanse our mental palattes re. dieting so that
:: Valentines Day (aka Chocoholics Anonymous) Season can begin.
::
:: Then, in March, we will have Drink Like an Irishman! Season (St.
:: Patrick's Day)
::
:: In April, it's all about Your Taxes and YOU!
::
:: May -- Buy that Perfect Gift for Mom!
::
:: June -- Spend Thousands of Dollars on a Traditional Wedding!
::
:: July -- A brief Get Into Shape for Your Swimsuit! Season, followed by
:: lots of Drink Lots of Beer at a Picnic!
::
:: August -- Spend Money on a Summer Getaway!
::
:: September -- Spend Money on Clothes for Back to School!
::
:: October -- Spend Money on Ghost and Goblin Costumes!
::
:: November -- Spend Money on Turkey and the Trimmings!
::
:: December -- Spend a Fortune on Christmas!
::
:: until we are back to January -- Penance for Your Holiday Sins!
::
:: It's all about giving the masses the same things to think about
:: (i.e.,
:: the same things to buy) every month of every year. It's so familiar
:: and comforting.

I find it downright scary! Think about the influence (ie, control) they
exert. Being a lemming is bad for your health.

In article ,
says...
Linda,

How could you have forgotten Easter--Chocolate Bunny Day.

I used to know spring was coming when I sighted my first Russell Stover
Maple Cream egg. If they come up with a low carb version--even a phony low
carb version, I'm doomed. g


LOL. There is a woman who works in my office who runs out and buys the
Cadbury Creme Eggs as soon as they hit the stores. She has a "thing"
for them.

--
************************************
Linda Harms
New York, NY

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5

Please do not feed the trolls.

"Jenny" wrote

Roger Zoul wrote:

Last Shot At The Mu_n wrote:
:: On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:50:06 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
:: wrote:
::
::: Last Shot At The Mu_n wrote:
:::::: But if you ask around among your friends and acquaintances who
:::::: went on diets on January first, you'll probably find that very
:::::: few are still at it six weeks later. . . .
:::::
::::: Why is that?
:::::
::::: Several reasons. One, no real commitment to the realities of
::::: lowered food consumption. Two, they know that book diets fail at
::::: extravagant rates. Three, no change in their relationships with
::::: food.
:::
::: I agree with your reasons 1 and 3. However, number two makes no
::: sense. Diet books do nothing. Dieters have to do the work.
::
:: When you go on book diet (Atkins, Ornish), one usually checks
:: around. What they find is a constant stream of failures, walking
:: living obese failures.
::
:: Kinda takes the shine off, dontcha think?

Just points out that making lasting changes in one's habits and lifestyle is
really hard to do. There are few easy solutions. IMO, diet books give
answers. The solution has to come from the dieter in terms of lasting
change.

The 2PD approach helps in the latter regard.


FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message. Because
the author of the message to which I am responding did not request that the
header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are upset about reading this
message, a few suggestions:

(1) Yell at Roger ;-)
(2) Report Roger to his ISP ;-)
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.

This discussion(s) is related to the 2 pound diet approach (2PD) which is
described completely at:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

Though Dr. Chung invented this approach, he did not initiate the Usenet
discussion(s). His participation in this discussion(s) has been voluntary and
has been conducted in the spirit of community service. His motivation has been
entirely altruistic and has arisen from his religious beliefs as a Christian.
Jesus freely gave of Himself to better the health of folks He touched:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp

From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are vehemently
opposed to the 2 pound diet approach. They have debated Dr. Chung on every
perceived weakness of the 2 pound diet approach and have lost the argument
soundly at every point:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp

These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this discussion
thread(s).

However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the argument(s),
certain parties have redirected their hatred of the 2 pound diet approach toward
its author. The rationale appears to be "if you can not discredit the message
then try to discredit the messenger."

Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll" is
someone who posts under the cloak of anonymity messages with no redeeming
discussion value and with the sole purpose of starting "flame" wars.

These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the following
observations were made:

(1) Dr. Chung has not been posting anonymously.
(2) The 2PD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting the
discussion(s).
(a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the 2PD to
achieve near-ideal weight.
(b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when their weight
becomes near-ideal.
(c) For (b) see: http://makeashorterlink.com/?V5D042C47
(3) Dr. Chung did not start the discussion(s).
(4) The 2 pound diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
(5) Dr. Chung's credentials are real and easily verified on-line (including
jpegs of the actual diplomas).

Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have tried to
attack Dr. Chung's credentials knowing full well that they were attempting to
libel him. One notable example is Mr. Pastorio:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp

When the full light was cast on Mr. Pastorio's libelous statements, the hateful
folks hiding in the darkness of anonymity only hissed louder in support of their
fallen hero.

Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either actively or
as lurkers can easily dismiss the hisses, for what they are, using the on-line
third-party resources at:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp

where Dr. Chung's credentials can be verified many times over and libelous
claims that credentials were bought are easily and summarily debunked.

Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning the anon
posters who continue to hiss (ie JC Der Koenig and Mack):

(1) They are anonymous and thus they expect to have no credibility (or
accountability).
(2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory characters.
(3) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to deliver
one-sided insults.
(4) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Dr. Chung by cross-posting.
(5) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the 2PD or its
author.

and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.

It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to speed.

It will remain my pleasure to continue the discussion(s) about the 2PD above the
din of hissing from the peanut gallery.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

--
Who is the humblest person in the universe?

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L21532147

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

snip malice, braggadocio and commercial troll

The Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD FAQ
Version 1.01, January, 2004

Introduction
------------
New people arriving in sci.med.cardiology (SMC) are often puzzled and=20
troubled by the controversy surrounding the poster who posts as Dr.=20
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Dr. Chung) and want to know what the=20
controversy is about. This FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) attempts=20
to provide an answer.

The FAQ is arranged in typical FAQ form, i.e. a series of questions=20
and answers. For those who don=92t wish to read the whole FAQ, the=20
following summary is provided.

Summary
-------
Dr. Chung represents himself to be a licensed physician specializing=20
in cardiology. In this capacity he responds to medical questions on=20
SMC. If that were all he did, there would probably be no controversy.

The controversy arises from Dr. Chung=92s other behaviors on SMC, in=20
particular:

o He uses SMC to not only proselytize his particular interpretation of=20
Christianity, but also to disparage and attack anyone with a different=20
interpretation or different religion.

o He uses SMC to promote his unscientific Two Pound Diet (2PD) and, in=20
fact, cross posts this information to other groups in order to gain=20
more exposure.

o When challenged on the above issues, or one of his medical opinions,=20
he attacks his challengers as "obsessive anti-Christians", "libelers",=20
"homosexuals", "people who can=92t understand English", etc.

o When challenged he performs Internet searches on his challengers in=20
order to "get the dirt" on them and smear their reputations.

o When challenged, he answers with evasions, non sequiturs,=20
dissembling, rhetorical questions, quotes from the bible, religious=20
mantras, thinly veiled death threats, ad hominem arguments, and other=20
such disreputable, unethical, and unprofessional tactics.

o He is insufferably full of himself, claiming to have "the gift of=20
Truth Discernment" and to be "Humble" while behaving anything but humbly.=


o He uses a foil who posts under variations of the name "Mu" to avoid=20
killfiles. Mu=92s job is to troll other newsgroups and, when he gets a=20
reaction, to cross post the reaction to SMC so that Dr. Chung can=20
disingenuously claim to be "only responding" to a cross post. Whereas=20
Dr. Chung has to be somewhat careful what he says and so attacks=20
primarily through insinuation and innuendo, Mu=92s tactics are blunt and =

direct like those of a playground bully.

The above lists only the highlights of Dr. Chung=92s egregious behavior=20
on SMC. If anything, it understates it. Everything can be verified in=20
the Google archives.

The issue then arises: so what? As long as Dr. Chung provides free=20
medical advice on SMC, who cares what else he does?

Many people provide free medical advice on the internet. How does one=20
know whether it is good advice or bad advice? If the person giving the=20
advice is, or represents himself to be, a doctor shouldn=92t that be=20
enough? Unfortunately, no.

Medical education alone is not enough to guarantee good advice.=20
Knowledge must be tempered with judgment, impartiality, integrity,=20
ethics, and professionalism. If someone consistently demonstrates by=20
their behavior that they lack these qualities, how much credence=20
should be given to their medical advice?

People arrive in this group looking for help. For their own=20
protection, they deserve to know the quality of the person purporting=20
to dispense that help and not be lulled into a false sense of security=20
simply because someone displays an MD after their name. It is the=20
intention of this FAQ to provide people with enough information to=20
allow them to make an informed decision.

List of Questions Answered
--------------------------
1. Who is Dr. Andrew B Chung, MD/PhD?
2. What is the Charter of SMC?
3. Aren=92t Religious Discussions Covered by the Charter?
4. So Dr. Chung is Religious... What=92s the Problem With That?
5. But it=92s Just a Little "Tag Line" in His Signature.
6. But I=92m a Christian Too!
7. Well, Why Not Just Ignore His Religious Rants?
8. But Isn=92t It Wonderful That Dr. Chung Offers This Free Medical=20
Advice Out of the Goodness of His Heart?
9. How Does a Practicing Physician Find so Much Time to Spend on Usenet?
10. Won=92t Challenging Dr. Chung Drive People Away?
11. Doesn't the "Fault" for all Those Posts Lay With Those Who=20
Challenge Dr. Chung?
12. Why Do I see So Many "Ad Hominem" Attacks?
13. I'm Sick of Seeing All This!
14. What is the Two Pound Diet?
15. Is Discussion of the Two Pound Diet "On Topic"?
16. Who is Mu?
17. What is Mu=92s Role?

1. Who is Dr. Andrew B Chung, MD/PhD?
--------------------------------------
The poster who posts as Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD claims to be a=20
licensed physician, practicing internal medicine in Atlanta, Georgia,=20
USA and specializing in cardiology. His signature contains a link to a=20
website which is consistent with his posts.

It should be noted that anyone can claim to be anyone on Usenet and so=20
caution is always advised. Indeed there are those who claim that the=20
poster in question is not Dr. Andrew B. Chung, or is not the Dr.=20
Andrew B. Chung listed in the Atlanta telephone directory, and/or has=20
lost his license and/or hospital privileges for misconduct. This FAQ=20
does not attempt to address those claims one way or the other. The=20
reader with an interest in these matters can easily find the relevant=20
discussions archived in Google Groups.

This FAQ deals with the poster who posts as Dr. Chung and restricts=20
itself to issues demonstrated by those posts. No position is taken on=20
his "true" identity.

2. What is the Charter of SMC?
----------------------------------
The purpose of this newsgroup is to establish electronic media for=20
communication between health care providers, scientists and other=20
individuals with interest in the cardiovascular field. Such=20
communications will provide quick and efficacious means to exchange=20
information and knowledge, and offer problems to solutions.

The sci.med.cardiology newsgroup will welcome participants who are=20
health care providers, trainees, researchers, students or recipients=20
with interest in the field of cardiovascular problems."

(ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...med.cardiology)

3. Aren=92t Religious Discussions Covered by the Charter?=20
--------------------------------------------------------
What do you think?

4. So Dr. Chung is Religious... What=92s the Problem With That?=20
--------------------------------------------------------------
There is no problem with that. Most of the people who participate in=20
SMC are probably religious. However no one but Dr. Chung feels=20
compelled to characterize themselves as the "Humble Servant of God" in=20
their signatures, continually thank God for the opportunity to=20
"witness", question others about their religious beliefs, claim the=20
"Gift of Truth Discernment", etc.

When one person insists on introducing his personal religious=20
interpretations into the discussions, it naturally generates responses=20
from others who feel just as strongly that their viewpoints are=20
correct. The resulting debate easily swirls out of control, especially=20
given Dr. Chung=92s intolerant and dismissive attitude towards beliefs=20
which differ from his. The situation is further exacerbated by Mu=92s=20
rabble raising from the sidelines.

There are over 160 Usenet groups dedicated to the discussion of=20
religion. Dr. Chung should take his beliefs to one of these and stick=20
to cardiology in SMC It is a simple matter of respect for others.

5. But it=92s Just a Little "Tag Line" in His Signature.=20
-------------------------------------------------------
No, it is not. He has even gone so far as to "investigate" someone=20
asking for advice about stents and accuse her of being anti-Christian.

6. But I=92m a Christian Too!
----------------------------
Lots of people are Christians. There is a time and a place for=20
everything. SMC isn=92t the place to "witness" or recruit. In addition,=20
lots of other people are Jews, Moslems, Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus,=20
etc. Would SMC be better or worse if they all emulated Dr. Chung in=20
their proselytizing and recruiting?

Furthermore, if you are a Christian, you should be appalled by Dr.=20
Chung=92s pharisaical, cynical, and manipulative use of Christianity. He =

is truly a "whitened sepulcher", loudly proclaiming his adherence to=20
Christian values while overtly lying, carrying on smear campaigns=20
against others, making false accusations, dissembling, and marketing=20
his web site under the guise of altruism. He is "bearing false=20
witness" and true Christians should be concerned.

As an example, when John Ritter recently died unexpectedly, Dr. Chung=20
rushed to use this unfortunate event to market his web site. He showed=20
a total lack of Christian compassion for Mr. Ritter and his family,=20
even when challenged to do so.

As another example, he recently choreographed a smear campaign against=20
a poster who had criticized him. Dr. Chung found a homosexual author=20
with the same first name and then insinuated that the poster and=20
anyone who agreed with him were engaged in a homosexual relationship.=20
Ask yourself if this the brand of Christianity you identify with.

7. Well, Why Not Just Ignore His Religious Rants?=20
-------------------------------------------------- Why should one=20
individual be given carte blanche to violate the rights of everyone=20
else? Usenet is a community. It is up to the community to sanction its=20
members. There is nothing "ad hominem" about challenging inappropriate=20
and antisocial behavior.

8. But Isn=92t It Wonderful That Dr. Chung Offers This Free Medical=20
Advice Out of the Goodness of His Heart?
----------------------------------------------------------
First, it is only of value if it is good advice. Medical education=20
alone is not enough to guarantee good advice. Knowledge must be=20
tempered with judgment, impartiality, integrity, ethics, and=20
professionalism. If someone consistently demonstrates by their=20
behavior that they lack these qualities, how much credence should be=20
given to their medical advice?

Secondly, despite his protestations to the contrary, Dr. Chung is not=20
simply motivated by altruism. Every post of Dr. Chung's contains a=20
link to a website with the following quote:

"If you are looking for a cardiologist and reside in Georgia, please=20
consider me your best option for a personal heart advocate. Check out=20
my credentials and my background. Additional information is available=20
in the protected sections of this web site. Email me at=20
to me of your interest and I may send you=20
a temporary username and password to allow a preview. The more=20
information you email, the more likely my decision to send you a=20
temporary username and password. If you like what you see and learn=20
from this website and wish to confer with me about your heart, you or=20
your doctor should email me privately or call my voicemail at=20
404-699-2780 to schedule an appointment to see me at my *real*=20
office." (http://www.heartmdphd.com/office.asp)

Thirdly, Dr. Chung has repeatedly stated that one of his key=20
motivations for participating is SMC is to "witness" and win converts=20
to his religious beliefs.

9. How Does a Practicing Physician Find so Much Time to Spend on=20
Usenet?=20
------------------------------------------------------------------
An interesting question.

10. Won=92t Challenging Dr. Chung Drive People Away?
--------------------------------------------------
Perhaps. But not challenging him will drive others away.

SMC is historically a "low traffic" group. Therefore, when Dr. Chung=20
misbehaves, he generates an apparently large response. This is=20
compounded by Dr. Chung=92s need to "get in the last word" and Mu=92s=20
provocations. In spite of this, if someone has a question it will=20
usually be answered.

Dr. Chung is not the only participant who offers advice in SMC He is=20
not even the only doctor who participates in SMC However, the=20
controversy he generates and sustains often makes it appear that he is=20
the "only game in town".

Finally, Dr. Chung himself drives others away including other=20
physicians who leave in disgust after being verbally assaulted by him,=20
and other knowledgeable posters who point out where Dr. Chung=92s=20
medical opinion might be in error or at least not the only one=20
generally held. Anyone disagreeing with Dr. Chung on any subject can=20
expect a series of increasingly vitriolic attacks, including threats=20
of libel suits.

11. Doesn't the "Fault" for all Those Posts Lay With Those Who=20
Challenge Dr. Chung?=20
--------------------------------------------------------------
An interesting perspective: blame the victim. No other poster (with=20
the exception of Mu, of course) introduces religion or the Two Pound=20
Diet. How can it be acceptable for Dr. Chung to introduce these=20
topics, but not acceptable for others to respond?

In any thread, someone must, of necessity "get the last word". Dr.=20
Chung has amply demonstrated that he will not be outdone in this respect.=


12. Why Do I see So Many "Ad Hominem" Attacks?
----------------------------------------------
You are probably referring to an "Ad Hominem" _argument_, which=20
attempts to disprove an adversary's fact by personal attack on the=20
adversary. An example would be "You are opposed to the Two Pound Diet=20
because you are anti-Christian".

When someone misbehaves, for example lies or distorts what someone=20
else is saying, it is not an "ad hominem attack" to call them on it.=20
It is a legitimate social sanction.

There are also, unfortunately too often, simple personal attacks and=20
insults on both sides. While we can all wish it weren't so, it is=20
simply human nature when an argument becomes heated or the other=20
person is obviously not arguing in good faith. If you are distressed=20
by this, see the next question.

13. I'm Sick of Seeing All This!
--------------------------------
There is no reason why you have to see it. Just as you can change the=20
TV channel if you don't like a show, you can killfile a poster or=20
thread you don't want to see. See the manual that came with your=20
Usenet reader for directions on how to do it.

Before you do this, however, you may wish to consider if a truer=20
picture of the world is not gained by seeing all that goes on - both=20
the good and the bad.

14. What is the Two Pound Diet?
-------------------------------
The Two pound Diet is a diet which Dr. Chung "invented". It=92s only=20
rule is to restrict yourself to two pounds of food per day. That=92s it. =

Doesn=92t matter if you are a 16 year old girl or an 80 year old man; a=20
5' 2" woman or a 7' man; a weight lifter or a mattress tester. Two=20
pounds. That=92s it. No more, less if you want. One size fits all.

Oh, and the food? Whatever you want: two pounds of lettuce, two pounds=20
of ice cream, two pounds of celery, two pounds of bacon, two pounds of=20
chocolate, two pounds of peanuts... doesn=92t matter. Mix and match.=20
Just keep it under two pounds.

Dr. Chung=92s claim is that this magical weight of food, this universal=20
gustatory constant will cause everyone to arrive at and maintain their=20
ideal weight. His scientific basis for this claim: none. The proof he=20
offers: none. Studies supporting this claim: none. Nutritional=20
explanation: none. Metabolic explanation: none.

And this from a doctor who expects people to take him seriously on=20
other issues.

15. Is Discussion of the Two Pound Diet "On Topic"?
---------------------------------------------------
Dr. Chung says it is because being overweight is a risk factor for=20
heart problems and therefore discussion of the Two Pound Diet is On=20
Topic. However criticism of the Two Pound Diet is Off Topic as is=20
discussion of any other diet.

As with religion, Dr. Chung takes every opportunity to introduce the=20
Two Pound Diet (2PD) into any other thread. In addition Mu trolls=20
other newsgroups, particularly the diet groups looking for=20
opportunities to introduce the 2PD in these groups and then cross post=20
the resulting discussion back to s.m.c so that Dr. Chung can=20
disingenuously claim to be "only responding" to a cross post.

Since Dr. Chung and Mu have been laughed off of these other groups and=20
have been asked repeatedly not to bring up the 2PD in them,=20
participants of these groups are understandably angered when it=20
happens yet again and, because of Mu=92s cross-posting, all their anger=20
spills back into SMC

Another reason for ongoing 2PD discussions is Dr. Chung=92s habit of=20
researching anyone who criticizes the 2PD and then cross-posting his=20
responses back to other groups which the critic has been found to=20
frequent. He disingenuously claims that he does this as a=20
"convenience" to the critic, but his true reasons are transparent.=20
Once again, the cross-post generates a firestorm in SMC

The bottom line is that if the Two Pound Diet is "On Topic" for=20
anyone, it is "On Topic" for everyone... including it's critics. If it=20
is "Off Topic", it should not be continually re-introduced by Dr. Chung.

16. Who is Mu?
--------------
Mu is a longtime Usenet Troll who has even merited his own FAQ. He=20
postures as some kind of personal physical trainer, but who really=20
knows? He has allied himself with Dr. Chung and serves as the "Bad=20
Cop" in the Chung - Mu "Good Cop - Bad Cop" routine. He specializes in=20
the short, nasty one-liner and, because unlike Dr. Chung, he has no=20
reputation to protect, he can afford to be much more direct and offensive=
=2E

Mu parrots an even meaner-spirited version of Dr. Chung=92s=20
"Christianity" and does not hesitate to employ anti-Semitism and=20
homophobia in his attacks.

Naturally, most people would have long ago killfiled Mu, so he changes=20
his handle on an almost daily basis.

17. What is Mu=92s Role?
----------------------
Mu=92s role is to troll other newsgroups and, when he gets a reaction,=20
to cross post the reaction to SMC so that Dr. Chung can disingenuously=20
claim to be "only responding" to a cross post.

Mu is also responsible for pitching softballs to Dr. Chung so he can=20
hit them out of the park, and for re-introducing religion and the Two=20
Pound Diet should the discussion flag.

Finally, Mu=92s role is to tirelessly wear down unsuspecting Dr. Chung=20
critics, deflecting the blows that would otherwise be aimed at Dr.=20
Chung. He is Dr. Chung=92s Internet equivalent of the "rope-a-dope".=20
Insults roll off him like water off a duck as do attempts to reason=20
with him or even have a civil discussion.

Most people have learned to ignore him and his comment is usually the=20
last one in any thread sub-tree where it appears.

Comments and/or corrections to this FAQ will be taken under advisement.

Jenny you are off on this one. Low carb is HUGE. It is not regularly
scheduled at this level. Are you not reading anything? McDonalds, Subway,
Burger King, and a host of others didn't have all this going on before.

I think you are missing how big this craze is.
Curt

"Jenny" wrote in message
...
Folks,

The big Low Carb marketing blast you saw in January was part of the
regularly scheduled "diet season" which comes around every year after
people
put on their holiday 10 pounds. It ends every year, like clockwork, with
the Superbowl. Around the same time gyms clear out as all the people who
signed up for memberships stop coming.

If you're still dieting now, you are one of the very small percentage of
people who are--and there are not enough of you to make it worth while for
supermarkets to clear out a whole aisle for you.

Fortunately, the low carb veggies, meats, and cheeses will always be
available at the store, and for those of you who like the bars and other
products, they're still there too, just stuck away in different aisles.

But if you ask around among your friends and acquaintances who went on
diets
on January first, you'll probably find that very few are still at it six
weeks later. . . .

-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm

I think the 2pid diet is great.
Since you can basically eat whatever you want without worrying about health,
and the only restriction is that it be 2pid...

Trying to work up a week's meal plan here...

I LOVE Mr Goodbar.
1 bar - 1.75oz - 264 calories
That means I could have 18.3 Mr Goodbars in a day to hit my 2pid limit.
That would only be 4827 calories!

Ok, day 2.
I feel like eating really healthy today.
Chex mix - 1 oz - 120 calories
To be 2pid I could have 32 oz in a day.
That would be 3840 calories.

Day 3.
It feels like a nutty day.
Pistachio nuts - 1 cup - 128 g - 713 calories
Being as 2pid as I can be, I could have 7.1 cups in a day.
That would only be 5053 calories!

Still working on days 4-7...

Finally! A diet where I can eat whatever I want and only worry about it
being 2pid!
I'm guaranteed heart health and weight loss on my 2pid diet!



"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
...

The 2PD approach helps in the latter regard.