Show me your 20

On Oct 16, 12:04 pm, Aaron Baugher wrote:
Jackie Patti writes:
Your cat actually eats meat? Mine will eat most of the mice they
kill, but otherwise... not so much.

I tried making homemade cat food, chicken legs cooked in broth with
raw chopped liver/kidney/heart added and a bit of brewer's
yeast... but they prefer the dry crap stuff.

My fiance is going through that now. Her cat is a big fat spoiled eater
that doesn't even like canned tuna, although he'll lick away the juice.
Now that she's been learning about the effects of carbs, she wants to
get him on more of a meat diet, but he turns his nose up at turkey or
chicken. She sent for some ground rabbit, to see if he'll eat that,
since she's seen him catch and eat rabbits. I foresee a test of wills.

I have no skin in the Innova EVO game, but DW's cat (obese, cranky,
and
picky) kicked the Purina habit and went to EVO pretty smoothly. Kitten
loves it from the word go, but she hasn't met the protein she doesn't
like.
She gets a tsp-tbsp of my vanilla protein shake on the weekends.

Cats, being creatures of habits, are not gonna take a radically new
food
easily. Probably better to blend a little in with their current food,
adjust
percentages, and eventually phase out the offending food. That's how
Ellie kicked Purina. This is a cat that will eat nothing but Purina, a
very
specific set of treats, very little turkey, and all plastic, string
and ribbon
products.

Doug, this post is a real keeper. Thanks! -- Mike


"Doug Freyburger" wrote in message
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Doug Freyburger wrote:
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Lots of good reasons to go to 20 and stay there.

None of which have to do with loss after reaching some level above
ideal ...

And I'll repeat - Lots of folks who stay at 20 stall. Then they fail
to follow the directions of moving on to OWL. Instead they assert
that "Atkins stopped working for me". Just how many times have
you heard someone say that? So often it's from the ones who
never even tried OWL. When I tracked posters for every one who
lost well staying on Induction (only counting folks who started
with only 80- to lose because that's part of the deal as well) there
were 7 who stalled staying on Induction. Anecdotal evidence is
not scientifically valid evidence but has anyone at all gathered
data on the topic? Check out any study you like on sutained
Induction and see how small the losses are ...

And of course folks without even anecdotal evidence love to
complain that my anecdotal evidence isn't valid, and then they
start making assertions based on no data at all.

My CCLL is 50. When I did 6 months at 35 because it's easy, I
lost nothing for that 6 months and I dropped out of ketosis. It
took a year to figure out what I'd done to myself.

So what had you done to yourself? Do you think your low T3 was causing
you to burn carbs? Liver shutdown? I don't get what happened.

I fell out of ketonuria. Get the 1993 edition of the book. Look up
"reversal diet" in the index. Start reading about a page up. Dr A
encountered people who had done themselves metabolic damage
by staying on Induction far too long. Treating Atkins as a fad diet
really.

The few Inuits who live the traditional hunting lifestyle on the ice
eat near zero carbs for months on end and they don't lose weight.
Cats fed meat don't lose either. There's an evolved in metabolic
mechanism to handle it. It's about T3 and leptin. What I did to
myself is I put myself into that hunter/carnivore mode and as a
result I stopped losing.

Do NOT think that if low carbs is good then lower must be better.
If to were true every book out there would say it. Folks love to
quote Dr A out of context on the topic but he means going above
CCLL and/or CCLM.

The mechanism - Leptin somehow tracks 1) amount of stored
body fat and 2) the highest carb level eaten in the last several
months. Leptin drives T3 output among other metabolic drivers.
T3 drives resting metabolism. Drive leptin by sustained 20, drop
to having insufficient excess body fat. It's why the rules for
extending Induction are what they are - Maximum length of 6
months after the day you no longer have "a lot to lose". He
never defines that one either but gather a bit of data and you'll
pick a number in the range of 80-100 left to lose.

The biological mechanisms of lose aren't obvious. If they were,
no one would be fat. Staying on Induction because you want
it to work better than following the directions, do you really
think there's any chance Dr A failed to try that before designing
a system that doesn't do that?

My cats love a little freshly grilled chicken or some catfish on
occasion, and they have wet food once a every couple of days, but they
need their dry food!

On Oct 30, 8:20 pm, Tom wrote:
My cats love a little freshly grilled chicken or some catfish on
occasion, and they have wet food once a every couple of days, but they
need their dry food!

The Innova Evo that my cats eat is dry food. And low carb. Like their
natural diet.