CARBS vs. CALORIES

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
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Then you should be ripped by now. Let's see the abs.

--
JC

Eat less, exercise more.


heh heh
true enough.

less calories = weight loss.
If you eat more calories for a few days and see a sudden drop in weight, i
would wager it is water weight, not fat loss.

"Steven C. (Doktersteve)" wrote in
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"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
...
Then you should be ripped by now. Let's see the abs.

--
JC

Eat less, exercise more.


heh heh
true enough.

less calories = weight loss.
If you eat more calories for a few days and see a sudden drop in weight, i
would wager it is water weight, not fat loss.



Some people base their beliefs on coincidence instead of long-term
observation.

JJ,

Congrats on your fine weight loss! Your experience supports my belief that
calories become increasingly important as we near a normal healthy weight
for our size.

Almost all the postings I've ever read from people who improved their weight
loss through upping calories were posted by people who were more than 50
pounds from their goal--often significantly more than 50 pounds from goal.

For me, raising calories a mere 300 a day for a few weeks is enough to add
fat pounds.


-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
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"PJx" wrote in message
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|
| Actually, many of us have found that increasing our caloric intake
| substantially (from 1800 to 3000 calories_ will increase our weight
| loss and appetite suppression has nothing to do with it.
|
| PJ
|

Good morning PJ.

This is definitely one of those YMMV things. I've consumed 1800 cals/day
from last September until about 2 weeks ago when I reduced to about 1600
cals/day. This has kept me steadily losing 1-2 pounds per week. The only
exception to that was during the week from Christmas to the end of the
year
where, though I stayed low carb throughout--except for 3 pieces of sushi
on
New Years Eve which was my big treat for the new year--I relaxed on the
calories to the point I was eating between 3000 to 3500 calories per day.
I've reached the point where I can eat a whopping 45g of carbs/day and
still
lose, and I kept those carb levels, even over the holidays. With the
extra
calories, however, I actually went back up about 4 pounds. Nothing
disastrous about that, when I went back to 1800 calories/day (and my
normal
routine) right after the first of the year I lost those 4 pounds in two
days
or so, which made me believe that it was primarily water gain. Too much
salt in the Christmas ham?

I'm now within about 15 pounds of my final goal and will start adjusting
up
both carbs and calories to intentionally slow down and then stabilize my
weight loss for these last pounds. I'd hate to find out that when I start
eating more I start losing faster.

I am not disagreeing with you, and certainly not intending to be
argumentative. I'm just pointing out that this could be an individual
thing. At least it would be in my case.

Have a very pleasant weekend.

JJ.

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. I'm sure I have plenty of
company on my side and you have too.

During my weight loss phase, I plowed thru a jar of mayonaise and a
pound of butter a week in addition to all the fatty meat and fatty
chicken and cheese I could eat.

There are a couple of million people that did exactly the same thing
during the weight loss phase and thus BINGO - you have the reason for
the extreme popularity of the Atkins Diet.
PJ




On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 16:19:20 GMT, "JJ" wrote:


"PJx" wrote in message
.. .
|
| Actually, many of us have found that increasing our caloric intake
| substantially (from 1800 to 3000 calories_ will increase our weight
| loss and appetite suppression has nothing to do with it.
|
| PJ
|

Good morning PJ.

This is definitely one of those YMMV things. I've consumed 1800 cals/day
from last September until about 2 weeks ago when I reduced to about 1600
cals/day. This has kept me steadily losing 1-2 pounds per week. The only
exception to that was during the week from Christmas to the end of the year
where, though I stayed low carb throughout--except for 3 pieces of sushi on
New Years Eve which was my big treat for the new year--I relaxed on the
calories to the point I was eating between 3000 to 3500 calories per day.
I've reached the point where I can eat a whopping 45g of carbs/day and still
lose, and I kept those carb levels, even over the holidays. With the extra
calories, however, I actually went back up about 4 pounds. Nothing
disastrous about that, when I went back to 1800 calories/day (and my normal
routine) right after the first of the year I lost those 4 pounds in two days
or so, which made me believe that it was primarily water gain. Too much
salt in the Christmas ham?

I'm now within about 15 pounds of my final goal and will start adjusting up
both carbs and calories to intentionally slow down and then stabilize my
weight loss for these last pounds. I'd hate to find out that when I start
eating more I start losing faster.

I am not disagreeing with you, and certainly not intending to be
argumentative. I'm just pointing out that this could be an individual
thing. At least it would be in my case.

Have a very pleasant weekend.

JJ.

"PJx" wrote in message
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|
| There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. I'm sure I have plenty of
| company on my side and you have too.

I agree that there is nothing wrong with disagreement. I think it can be
quite healthy at times. Though the scenario I described was certainly
counter to what you describe, my intent wasn't to disagree with you at all.
I was just making note that there are many variables in this whole thing
about dieting and losing weight and the situation and results can vary
greatly by individual. At the end of the day, what works for each of us is
that which proves to be effective, doesn't risk our health and is
sustainable in the long run.

On a lighter note: Please tell me you are some place warm and dry where I
can be envious of you...I'm so sick of cold and wet this winter.

Best regards,

JJ.

"Jenny" wrote in message
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| JJ,
|
| Congrats on your fine weight loss! Your experience supports my belief that
| calories become increasingly important as we near a normal healthy weight
| for our size.
|
| Almost all the postings I've ever read from people who improved their
weight
| loss through upping calories were posted by people who were more than 50
| pounds from their goal--often significantly more than 50 pounds from goal.
|
| For me, raising calories a mere 300 a day for a few weeks is enough to add
| fat pounds.

Thank you. 15 more pounds to go I think.

Obviously, the reason I further reduced my calories was because I flattened
out a bit over the course of 2-3 weeks, right after the new year. Others
might have, I would guess, called it a plateau, a stall, or just plain
normal and to be expected. In my case I just tried to adjust a bit to keep
moving down, and it seems to be working.

The cool thing, the absolutely most cool thing, is that I was able to
consciously execute a reduction with no onset of hunger. This is the
amazing thing about eating low carb, and something that has to be lived to
be believed I think.

I have been on 1200 calorie/day diets for months on end in the past, and
failed miserably at all of them; at the end of the day I was literally going
to bed feeling like I was starving. Definitely not sustainable. The real
killer with those diets (I'm talking low-fat here) was that I could add 300
calories per day with those, still feel like I was starving, and then start
gaining weight too. Actually, this should be read as an endorsement to what
PJ stated. If I know I can lose on 1200 calories a day on low-fat and gain
at 1500 calories a day on low-fat, how does one explain it when I lose at
1800 calories a day when eating low-carb? If there is not validity to this
way of eating that is.

JJ.

the last post was another bit of brilliant inspiration from JC...

isn't he mean?

isn't he witty?

let's all pause to honor him

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 21:56:53 GMT, "JJ" wrote:

"PJx" wrote in message
.. .
|
| There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. I'm sure I have plenty of
| company on my side and you have too.

I agree that there is nothing wrong with disagreement. I think it can be
quite healthy at times. Though the scenario I described was certainly
counter to what you describe, my intent wasn't to disagree with you at all.
I was just making note that there are many variables in this whole thing
about dieting and losing weight and the situation and results can vary
greatly by individual. At the end of the day, what works for each of us is
that which proves to be effective, doesn't risk our health and is
sustainable in the long run.

On a lighter note: Please tell me you are some place warm and dry where I
can be envious of you...I'm so sick of cold and wet this winter.

Best regards,

JJ.

Not warm enough. No freeze yet this winter. My grapefruit trees in
my backyard are still loaded with nice juicy, sweet grapefruit.
Unfortunately, I can only have 1/4 per day. No freeze in the
forecast so I'm happy about that even though it may be a wet cloudy
week.
PJ