PSMF-Protein Sparing Modified Fast question!?!

On 22 Feb 2004 03:31:06 -0800, (Mack) wrote:

Thanks Harold for that information.I just have a few
questions.Firstly,I checked the opti-fast website and there are no
clinics in my area or anywhere close,i live in Canada.Anyways,how
would I be able to find a doctor who I can see regarding this? What
method should i use finding one? Also,since the opti-fast shakes are
so expensive,do you know of any other alternatives that are just as
effective? What about Medifast,or HMR,I hear they are similar.

I gave information about Optifast because I was familiar with it. I
am not familiar enough with the others to be able to give advice about
them. I have heard that Medifast is similar, but I've never seen a
comparison.

I also don't know enough about the Canadian medical system to be able
to give specific advice. I understand it can take a long time to get
an appointment for non-emergency reasons (and I'd certainly think a
PSMF would be considered non-emergency), but how long it would take
and what referrals you would have to obtain - I don't know. Perhaps
the Canadian health system will not support a voluntary PSMF at all.
What you need to do is contact THEM and find out.

For excercise,can I do half hour cardio per day,and weight lift for
half hour like 5 times a week,or is that too much?

A PSMF is designed to give you just enough protein that your body
doesn't cannibalize it's already-existing muscle tissue to feed
itself. It is NOT designed to give you the additional protein you
would need to significantly INCREASE the amount of muscle you have. I
do not know what sort of adjustments to the diet would be required to
support weight lifting. In addition, lowcarb diets IN GENERAL make
weight training difficult. Weight training uses quick bursts of
energy, and carbohydrates are much better at providing that. So while
you appear to be trying to get the best of several different plans, I
think you will find that they do not work that well together.

One thing you might want to investigate is a Cyclic Ketogenic Diet
(CKD). This is lowcarb part of the time but also includes carb-up
days to help support a weight training program.

While not an expert, I do know that muscles need a recovery day
between workouts. If you want to do weight training 5 days a week you
would need to split your muscle groups into 2 sections. You might
exercise leg and back muscles on MWF, for example, and do
arm/chest/stomach on TuTh. That gives muscles in each group time to
recover. The next week you could do the arm/chest/stomach on MWF and
the leg/back on TuTH. That lets you work out in consecutive days but
gives the muscles the time they need to rebuild. But I'm not an
expert on weight training. I see you've crossposted this to a weight
training group, so perhaps one of them can advise you on setting up a
M-F program, and perhaps someone there is more familiar with a CKD
instead of a PSMF.

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"Stargazer" wrote:

"Chupacabra" wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 06:17:18 -0600, "Stargazer"
wrote:

"Mack" wrote in message
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I am considering the protein sparing modified fast,but before i start
I have a few questions.Firstly,do all my calories come from proteins
alone?

Um...doesn't the term 'protein-sparing' mean little to _no_ protein?

Um... No.

Then I'm confused.

Clearly.

'Sparing' essentially means 'not' or 'little'. If I'm
'sparing the rod', I'm 'not' physically disciplining my child. If I'm
eating 'sparingly' of fat, I'm eating 'little' fat. So it would follow that
'protein-sparing' means sparing protein

Meaning not losing it during the diet.

- not eating it or eating sparingly
of it. But hey - exceptions and oxymorons are rampant in the English
language anyway, so I guess it makes sense, g.



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Lyle McDonald wrote in message ...


You can do a PSMF with food just as easaily as with shakes. Probably
better in a sense b/c the food will have vitamins and minerals that the
shakes might not.

So Lyle,tell me this,if i were to eat about 700-800 calories of
chicken breast,tuna,or any other source of protein only from food,some
high fiber veggies,it would be ok,just as if i'm doing the shake
fast,but with more minerals/vitamins? I'd also be taking multivitamins
daily,some pottasium and magnesium supplement,sugar free fiber
supplement,and fish oil caps for EFA's.I'd also be medically
supervised while doing this with bloodtests,electrolyte tests,etc....
weekly or bi-weekly. So will using this approach for about 5 months be
ok if i can handle it? I'm about 250 pounds,5'10 male,25 years of
age.I had already lost 64 pounds the last year following a keto
diet,but i want something quicker to enjoy my summer and move on to
start concentrating on building muscle.

On 22 Feb 2004 03:31:06 -0800, (Mack) wrote:
What about Medifast,or HMR,I hear they are similar.

HMR is similar to Opti-fast. For full details on my success with HMR,
see my web page.

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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:25:00 GMT, Howard wrote:
Dawn Taylor wrote:
Yeesh. Defensive much?
Nope. Just a fan of Real Food.

There is a difference between being a "fan" and religious fanaticism.

Works better than ...

Judgementalism and hubris are sure-fire signs of such religious
fanaticism.


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to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
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People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.