PSMF-Protein Sparing Modified Fast question!?!

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 06:17:18 -0600, "Stargazer"
wrote:

"Mack" wrote in message
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I am considering the protein sparing modified fast,but before i start
I have a few questions.Firstly,do all my calories come from proteins
alone?

Um...doesn't the term 'protein-sparing' mean little to _no_ protein?

Um... No.

Mack wrote in message


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smoothly. And i also understand i will need potassium,magenesium
supplements,and also about 4-5g of salt daily+some sort of sugar-free

FWIW, 4-5g of salt per day is about twice the recommended daily average
(2400mg).

--

"The central problem with the concept of the 'Axis of Evil' is that it
involves an assumption that the US is the 'fulcrum of virtue'."
Bob Hawke

I lost my original 143 pounds on a PSMF. There was no *food* on that diet.
It consisted of shakes and soups and some powdered eggs you could nuke. It
was 800 calories a day. I lost the 143 in 6 months. I've never heard of
doing it with real food. Also, I had a weekly check in with a doctor or NP.

--
-Bear
Grrrrrrrrr )
297/271/210
Highest weight 353

http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/index.html


"Mack" wrote in message
om...
I am considering the protein sparing modified fast,but before i start
I have a few questions.Firstly,do all my calories come from proteins
alone? Do i have to make sure i get zero carbs and zero fats? or is a
little bit of fat ok? and how much? As i understand,i can only get
600-800 calories daily on this diet.Is it ok to get them from lean
meats, or do i have to do the shakes?

I also hear that using this approach will yield about 2/3lbs fat loss
daily.Is this correct?

Is excercise essential when following such a regimen? or
optional...and how much should i do?

Before I start this regimen,i will make an appointment with my doctor
and make sure that I be medically supervised for the entire time(blood
checkups,electrolyte checkups,etc...) to make sure everything is going
smoothly. And i also understand i will need potassium,magenesium
supplements,and also about 4-5g of salt daily+some sort of sugar-free
fiber supplement.But how long is it safe to stay on this diet for?

After I get to my goal weight,is it advisable to go onto maintenace
using a low-carb diet approach?I have been on low-carb before and I
don't mind it at all,I actually didn't get annoyed or felt sick(and
please don't tell me why did i stop,I just want to try the PSMF
because it's a more aggresive fat-loss regimen).

Is there anything else I should know that I maybe have missed to
address?

Please I don't want anyone telling me i won't learn anything using
this diet,or give me another healthier approach,etc...I just came here
to get some answers and not a lecture.I don't mean to sound mean,but
sometimes i get annoyed when posting questions then people waste your
time with something that you didn't even want to hear.Your feedback
will be greatly appreciated,thanks.

By the way,I am 5"10, 250 pounds, 25 years of age

"Chupacabra" wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 06:17:18 -0600, "Stargazer"
wrote:

"Mack" wrote in message
. com...
I am considering the protein sparing modified fast,but before i start
I have a few questions.Firstly,do all my calories come from proteins
alone?

Um...doesn't the term 'protein-sparing' mean little to _no_ protein?

Um... No.

Then I'm confused. 'Sparing' essentially means 'not' or 'little'. If I'm
'sparing the rod', I'm 'not' physically disciplining my child. If I'm
eating 'sparingly' of fat, I'm eating 'little' fat. So it would follow that
'protein-sparing' means sparing protein - not eating it or eating sparingly
of it. But hey - exceptions and oxymorons are rampant in the English
language anyway, so I guess it makes sense, g.

Mack, as I said, I lost a lot of weight on this diet. I used medi-fast and
later bought some opti-fast. I exercised a lot. I started by only being able
to walk a block but ended up running 6-7 miles each day. I never felt bad.
I also started weight training to keep some muscle tone but it's not
possible to gain muscle on such a regimen. Or so I was told. I can't help
with the doctor question because I did this through my insurance. I will say
you must see a doc while doing it. The blood work is essential. Potassium is
required and be aware that gall bladder complications are common. There is a
medication I took to prevent the gall bladder problems but I can't remember
what it is. I did it in 1997 ( I think) and kept it off until 2002. Hope
this helps a little.

--
-Bear
Grrrrrrrrr )
297/271/210
Highest weight 353

http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/index.html

"Mack" wrote in message
om...
Thanks Harold for that information.I just have a few
questions.Firstly,I checked the opti-fast website and there are no
clinics in my area or anywhere close,i live in Canada.Anyways,how
would I be able to find a doctor who I can see regarding this? What
method should i use finding one? Also,since the opti-fast shakes are
so expensive,do you know of any other alternatives that are just as
effective? What about Medifast,or HMR,I hear they are similar.

For excercise,can I do half hour cardio per day,and weight lift for
half hour like 5 times a week,or is that too much?

Thanks again Harold for all that info.Greatly appreciated.

In article ,
(Mack) wrote:

I am considering the protein sparing modified fast,

Then consider something else, like a life long exercise and nutrition
plan. You wont get much support here (mfw) for the above.

but before i start
I have a few questions.Firstly,do all my calories come from proteins
alone? Do i have to make sure i get zero carbs and zero fats? or is a
little bit of fat ok? and how much? As i understand,i can only get
600-800 calories daily on this diet.Is it ok to get them from lean
meats, or do i have to do the shakes?

I assume this would be a medically supervised thing? If so, ask the
people that woild be supervising you vs a news group. Good luck.

--
Will Brink

http://www.brinkzone.com/
http://musclebuildingnutrition.com/
http://www.aboutsupplements.com/

It spares the protein in your muscles from being depleted. What you are
describing would be a spare protein diet, a diet that is spare in protein.


In ,
Stargazer stated
||| Um...doesn't the term 'protein-sparing' mean little to _no_ protein?
||
|| Um... No.
|
| Then I'm confused. 'Sparing' essentially means 'not' or 'little'.
| If I'm 'sparing the rod', I'm 'not' physically disciplining my child.
| If I'm eating 'sparingly' of fat, I'm eating 'little' fat. So it
| would follow that 'protein-sparing' means sparing protein - not
| eating it or eating sparingly of it. But hey - exceptions and
| oxymorons are rampant in the English language anyway, so I guess it
| makes sense, g.

Mack wrote:

I am considering the protein sparing modified fast,but before i start
I have a few questions.Firstly,do all my calories come from proteins
alone? Do i have to make sure i get zero carbs and zero fats? or is a
little bit of fat ok? and how much? As i understand,i can only get
600-800 calories daily on this diet.Is it ok to get them from lean
meats, or do i have to do the shakes?

You can do a PSMF with food just as easaily as with shakes. Probably
better in a sense b/c the food will have vitamins and minerals that the
shakes might not.

AS far as fat and carb content, it is generarlly minimized. PSMF is
typiocally 1.5 g protein/kg ideal bodyweight (used as a proxy for lean
body mass) with some veggies (you might also want to add a fiber
supplement). I'd modify that further and get at least 6X1 grams fish
oil caps per day (to cover EFA requirementss).

I also hear that using this approach will yield about 2/3lbs fat loss
daily.Is this correct?

It depends on starting weight and overall metabolism. 1/2-2/3rd lb of
fat is a rough average.


Is excercise essential when following such a regimen? or
optional...and how much should i do?

At least one study suggested that exercise (cardio) in addition to a
PSMF caused a greater reduction in metabolic rate than occurred without
exercise. Frankly, when you've already got nearly a 2000 cal/day
defici, exercise isn't going to contribute that much. Exercise will be
more important when you move into a maintenance phase. A lot of it
would depend on whether or not you were already on an exercise program
at this point. If so, I'd say try to maintain it. If not, I'm not sure
PSMF is a good time to start one.


After I get to my goal weight,is it advisable to go onto maintenace
using a low-carb diet approach?I have been on low-carb before and I
don't mind it at all,I actually didn't get annoyed or felt sick(and
please don't tell me why did i stop,I just want to try the PSMF
because it's a more aggresive fat-loss regimen).

Go to the diet that you think you can stick to in the long-term after
the PSMF. AS long as you're getting sufficient protein, EFA's and
plenty of high fiber veggies (for both fiber and nutrient content),
you're not missing out on anything nutritionally (and none of the asd
nitwits can prove the essentiality of carbohydrates). If you want to
add exercise of any intensity to your regimen after the PSMF, you'll
need to add more carbohdyrates back to your diet.

Lyle

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 19:02:52 GMT, Howard
announced in front of God and everybody:

"Bear" wrote:

I lost the 143 in 6 months. I've never heard of
doing it with real food.

So, it took me 3 years to lose 100 lbs. Big deal. The important part
is that I continue to keep it off, and I have improved my health in
the process.

I did it with real food, too.

I don't think Bear's arguing with anyone or submitting his diet as the
One and Only Way to go, Howard. He's just offering himself as an
example of someone who lost weight on a protein sparing fast plan.

Yeesh. Defensive much?

Dawn

"FOB" wrote in message
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It spares the protein in your muscles from being depleted. What you are
describing would be a spare protein diet, a diet that is spare in protein.


Gotcha - thanks (to both you and Howard) for the explanation!