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  #1  
Old February 6th, 2004, 04:14 PM
Jenny
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Default Diet Season is Over

Folks,

The big Low Carb marketing blast you saw in January was part of the
regularly scheduled "diet season" which comes around every year after people
put on their holiday 10 pounds. It ends every year, like clockwork, with
the Superbowl. Around the same time gyms clear out as all the people who
signed up for memberships stop coming.

If you're still dieting now, you are one of the very small percentage of
people who are--and there are not enough of you to make it worth while for
supermarkets to clear out a whole aisle for you.

Fortunately, the low carb veggies, meats, and cheeses will always be
available at the store, and for those of you who like the bars and other
products, they're still there too, just stuck away in different aisles.

But if you ask around among your friends and acquaintances who went on diets
on January first, you'll probably find that very few are still at it six
weeks later. . . .

-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm





  #2  
Old February 6th, 2004, 04:27 PM
Last Shot At The Mu_n
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Default Diet Season is Over

On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:14:53 -0500, "Jenny"
wrote:

Folks,

The big Low Carb marketing blast you saw in January was part of the
regularly scheduled "diet season" which comes around every year after people
put on their holiday 10 pounds. It ends every year, like clockwork, with
the Superbowl. Around the same time gyms clear out as all the people who
signed up for memberships stop coming.


Sure have.

If you're still dieting now, you are one of the very small percentage of
people who are--and there are not enough of you to make it worth while for
supermarkets to clear out a whole aisle for you.


Saw this yesterday. Gone, gone gone.

But if you ask around among your friends and acquaintances who went on diets
on January first, you'll probably find that very few are still at it six
weeks later. . . .


Why is that?

Several reasons. One, no real commitment to the realities of lowered
food consumption. Two, they know that book diets fail at extravagant
rates. Three, no change in their relationships with food.

Others?

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap950909.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
  #3  
Old February 6th, 2004, 04:50 PM
Roger Zoul
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Default Diet Season is Over

Last Shot At The Mu_n wrote:
::: But if you ask around among your friends and acquaintances who went
::: on diets on January first, you'll probably find that very few are
::: still at it six weeks later. . . .
::
:: Why is that?
::
:: Several reasons. One, no real commitment to the realities of lowered
:: food consumption. Two, they know that book diets fail at extravagant
:: rates. Three, no change in their relationships with food.

I agree with your reasons 1 and 3. However, number two makes no sense.
Diet books do nothing. Dieters have to do the work.


  #4  
Old February 6th, 2004, 04:57 PM
Last Shot At The Mu_n
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Default Diet Season is Over

On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:50:06 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
wrote:

Last Shot At The Mu_n wrote:
::: But if you ask around among your friends and acquaintances who went
::: on diets on January first, you'll probably find that very few are
::: still at it six weeks later. . . .
::
:: Why is that?
::
:: Several reasons. One, no real commitment to the realities of lowered
:: food consumption. Two, they know that book diets fail at extravagant
:: rates. Three, no change in their relationships with food.

I agree with your reasons 1 and 3. However, number two makes no sense.
Diet books do nothing. Dieters have to do the work.


When you go on book diet (Atkins, Ornish), one usually checks around.
What they find is a constant stream of failures, walking living obese
failures.

Kinda takes the shine off, dontcha think?


http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap950909.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
  #5  
Old February 6th, 2004, 05:09 PM
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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Default Diet Season is Over

Last Shot At The Mu_n wrote:

On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:14:53 -0500, "Jenny"
wrote:

Folks,

The big Low Carb marketing blast you saw in January was part of the
regularly scheduled "diet season" which comes around every year after people
put on their holiday 10 pounds. It ends every year, like clockwork, with
the Superbowl. Around the same time gyms clear out as all the people who
signed up for memberships stop coming.


Sure have.

If you're still dieting now, you are one of the very small percentage of
people who are--and there are not enough of you to make it worth while for
supermarkets to clear out a whole aisle for you.


Saw this yesterday. Gone, gone gone.

But if you ask around among your friends and acquaintances who went on diets
on January first, you'll probably find that very few are still at it six
weeks later. . . .


Why is that?

Several reasons. One, no real commitment to the realities of lowered
food consumption. Two, they know that book diets fail at extravagant
rates. Three, no change in their relationships with food.

Others?

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap950909.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.


....

(4) Food industry's multi-level marketing strategies.

(5) Increasing trend for bulk food purchases.

(6) Advancements in the culinary arts (Emeril Lagasse, Oliver Twist, Food Network
et al).

(7) Deep rooted cultural ties with food and eating.


Good discussion :-)

Now lets keep this up without the insults.

FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message. Because the
author of the message to which I am responding did not request that the header be
trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are upset about reading this message, a
few suggestions:

(1) Yell at Mu ;-)
(2) Report Mu to his ISP ;-)
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.

This discussion(s) is related to the 2 pound diet approach (2PD) which is
described completely at:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

Though Dr. Chung invented this approach, he did not initiate the Usenet
discussion(s). His participation in this discussion(s) has been voluntary and
has been conducted in the spirit of community service. His motivation has been
entirely altruistic and has arisen from his religious beliefs as a Christian.
Jesus freely gave of Himself to better the health of folks He touched:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp

From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are vehemently
opposed to the 2 pound diet approach. They have debated Dr. Chung on every
perceived weakness of the 2 pound diet approach and have lost the argument
soundly at every point:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp

These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this discussion
thread(s).

However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the argument(s),
certain parties have redirected their hatred of the 2 pound diet approach toward
its author. The rationale appears to be "if you can not discredit the message
then try to discredit the messenger."

Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll" is someone
who posts under the cloak of anonymity messages with no redeeming discussion
value and with the sole purpose of starting "flame" wars.

These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the following
observations were made:

(1) Dr. Chung has not been posting anonymously.
(2) The 2PD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting the
discussion(s).
(a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the 2PD to
achieve near-ideal weight.
(b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when their weight
becomes near-ideal.
(c) For (b) see: http://makeashorterlink.com/?V5D042C47
(3) Dr. Chung did not start the discussion(s).
(4) The 2 pound diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
(5) Dr. Chung's credentials are real and easily verified on-line (including jpegs
of the actual diplomas).

Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have tried to
attack Dr. Chung's credentials knowing full well that they were attempting to
libel him. One notable example is Mr. Pastorio:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp

When the full light was cast on Mr. Pastorio's libelous statements, the hateful
folks hiding in the darkness of anonymity only hissed louder in support of their
fallen hero.

Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either actively or
as lurkers can easily dismiss the hisses, for what they are, using the on-line
third-party resources at:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp

where Dr. Chung's credentials can be verified many times over and libelous claims
that credentials were bought are easily and summarily debunked.

Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning the anon
posters who continue to hiss (ie JC Der Koenig and Mack):

(1) They are anonymous and thus they expect to have no credibility (or
accountability).
(2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory characters.
(3) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to deliver one-sided
insults.
(4) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Dr. Chung by cross-posting.
(5) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the 2PD or its
author.

and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.

It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to speed.

It will remain my pleasure to continue the discussion(s) about the 2PD above the
din of hissing from the peanut gallery.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

--
Who is the humblest person in the universe?

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L21532147


  #6  
Old February 6th, 2004, 05:42 PM
Last Shot At The Mu_n
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Default Diet Season is Over


Last Shot At The Mu_n wrote:

On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:14:53 -0500, "Jenny"
wrote:

Folks,

The big Low Carb marketing blast you saw in January was part of the
regularly scheduled "diet season" which comes around every year after people
put on their holiday 10 pounds. It ends every year, like clockwork, with
the Superbowl. Around the same time gyms clear out as all the people who
signed up for memberships stop coming.


Sure have.

If you're still dieting now, you are one of the very small percentage of
people who are--and there are not enough of you to make it worth while for
supermarkets to clear out a whole aisle for you.


Saw this yesterday. Gone, gone gone.

But if you ask around among your friends and acquaintances who went on diets
on January first, you'll probably find that very few are still at it six
weeks later. . . .


Why is that?

Several reasons. One, no real commitment to the realities of lowered
food consumption. Two, they know that book diets fail at extravagant
rates. Three, no change in their relationships with food.

Others?


On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:09:18 -0500, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
wrote:


(4) Food industry's multi-level marketing strategies.

(5) Increasing trend for bulk food purchases.

(6) Advancements in the culinary arts (Emeril Lagasse, Oliver Twist, Food Network
et al).

(7) Deep rooted cultural ties with food and eating.


(8) Increased information means truth about diets easier to find, more
discouraging.

(9) Food more and more being fine tuned to our palates.

(10) Availability of "international" foods increasing.

(11) People still are in denial over the medical and health issues
related to obesity.



http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap950909.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
  #7  
Old February 6th, 2004, 06:13 PM
Roger Zoul
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Default Diet Season is Over

Last Shot At The Mu_n wrote:
:: On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:50:06 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
:: wrote:
::
::: Last Shot At The Mu_n wrote:
:::::: But if you ask around among your friends and acquaintances who
:::::: went on diets on January first, you'll probably find that very
:::::: few are still at it six weeks later. . . .
:::::
::::: Why is that?
:::::
::::: Several reasons. One, no real commitment to the realities of
::::: lowered food consumption. Two, they know that book diets fail at
::::: extravagant rates. Three, no change in their relationships with
::::: food.
:::
::: I agree with your reasons 1 and 3. However, number two makes no
::: sense. Diet books do nothing. Dieters have to do the work.
::
:: When you go on book diet (Atkins, Ornish), one usually checks
:: around. What they find is a constant stream of failures, walking
:: living obese failures.
::
:: Kinda takes the shine off, dontcha think?

Just points out that making lasting changes in one's habits and lifestyle is
really hard to do. There are few easy solutions. IMO, diet books give
answers. The solution has to come from the dieter in terms of lasting
change.


  #8  
Old February 6th, 2004, 06:45 PM
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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Default Diet Season is Over

Last Shot At The Mu_n wrote:

On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:50:06 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
wrote:

Last Shot At The Mu_n wrote:
::: But if you ask around among your friends and acquaintances who went
::: on diets on January first, you'll probably find that very few are
::: still at it six weeks later. . . .
::
:: Why is that?
::
:: Several reasons. One, no real commitment to the realities of lowered
:: food consumption. Two, they know that book diets fail at extravagant
:: rates. Three, no change in their relationships with food.

I agree with your reasons 1 and 3. However, number two makes no sense.
Diet books do nothing. Dieters have to do the work.


When you go on book diet (Atkins, Ornish), one usually checks around.
What they find is a constant stream of failures, walking living obese
failures.

Kinda takes the shine off, dontcha think?

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap950909.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.


Folks understandably find comfort in excuses.

FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not request
that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are upset about
reading this message, a few suggestions:

(1) Yell at Mu ;-)
(2) Report Mu to his ISP ;-)
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.

This discussion(s) is related to the 2 pound diet approach (2PD) which is
described completely at:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

Though Dr. Chung invented this approach, he did not initiate the Usenet
discussion(s). His participation in this discussion(s) has been voluntary
and has been conducted in the spirit of community service. His motivation
has been entirely altruistic and has arisen from his religious beliefs as a
Christian. Jesus freely gave of Himself to better the health of folks He
touched:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp

From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are vehemently
opposed to the 2 pound diet approach. They have debated Dr. Chung on every
perceived weakness of the 2 pound diet approach and have lost the argument
soundly at every point:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp

These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this
discussion thread(s).

However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the argument(s),
certain parties have redirected their hatred of the 2 pound diet approach
toward its author. The rationale appears to be "if you can not discredit
the message then try to discredit the messenger."

Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll" is
someone who posts under the cloak of anonymity messages with no redeeming
discussion value and with the sole purpose of starting "flame" wars.

These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the following
observations were made:

(1) Dr. Chung has not been posting anonymously.
(2) The 2PD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting the
discussion(s).
(a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the 2PD to
achieve near-ideal weight.
(b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when their
weight becomes near-ideal.
(c) For (b) see: http://makeashorterlink.com/?V5D042C47
(3) Dr. Chung did not start the discussion(s).
(4) The 2 pound diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
(5) Dr. Chung's credentials are real and easily verified on-line (including
jpegs of the actual diplomas).

Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have tried
to attack Dr. Chung's credentials knowing full well that they were
attempting to libel him. One notable example is Mr. Pastorio:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp

When the full light was cast on Mr. Pastorio's libelous statements, the
hateful folks hiding in the darkness of anonymity only hissed louder in
support of their fallen hero.

Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either
actively or as lurkers can easily dismiss the hisses, for what they are,
using the on-line third-party resources at:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp

where Dr. Chung's credentials can be verified many times over and libelous
claims that credentials were bought are easily and summarily debunked.

Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning the
anon posters who continue to hiss (ie JC Der Koenig and Mack):

(1) They are anonymous and thus they expect to have no credibility (or
accountability).
(2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory
characters.
(3) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to deliver
one-sided insults.
(4) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Dr. Chung by cross-posting.

(5) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the 2PD or
its author.

and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.

It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to speed.

It will remain my pleasure to continue the discussion(s) about the 2PD above
the din of hissing from the peanut gallery.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

--
Who is the humblest person in the universe?

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L21532147


  #9  
Old February 6th, 2004, 06:59 PM
Cheri
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Default Diet Season is Over

Or maybe they just don't care huh? People are people and things don't
usually get their attention until it affects them personally in some
way, but being a student of human nature and an authority on everything,
you already know that right? :-)

--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

Last Shot At The Mu_n wrote in message
...


(11) People still are in denial over the medical and health issues
related to obesity.



http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap950909.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.



  #10  
Old February 6th, 2004, 07:00 PM
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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Posts: n/a
Default Diet Season is Over

Last Shot At The Mu_n wrote:

Last Shot At The Mu_n wrote:

On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:14:53 -0500, "Jenny"
wrote:

Folks,

The big Low Carb marketing blast you saw in January was part of the
regularly scheduled "diet season" which comes around every year after people
put on their holiday 10 pounds. It ends every year, like clockwork, with
the Superbowl. Around the same time gyms clear out as all the people who
signed up for memberships stop coming.

Sure have.

If you're still dieting now, you are one of the very small percentage of
people who are--and there are not enough of you to make it worth while for
supermarkets to clear out a whole aisle for you.

Saw this yesterday. Gone, gone gone.

But if you ask around among your friends and acquaintances who went on diets
on January first, you'll probably find that very few are still at it six
weeks later. . . .

Why is that?

Several reasons. One, no real commitment to the realities of lowered
food consumption. Two, they know that book diets fail at extravagant
rates. Three, no change in their relationships with food.

Others?


On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:09:18 -0500, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
wrote:

(4) Food industry's multi-level marketing strategies.

(5) Increasing trend for bulk food purchases.

(6) Advancements in the culinary arts (Emeril Lagasse, Oliver Twist, Food Network
et al).

(7) Deep rooted cultural ties with food and eating.


(8) Increased information means truth about diets easier to find, more
discouraging.

(9) Food more and more being fine tuned to our palates.

(10) Availability of "international" foods increasing.

(11) People still are in denial over the medical and health issues
related to obesity.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap950909.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.


(12) Atheism

Jesus teaches as written in Matthew 4:

1Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.
2After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3The tempter came
to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become
bread."
4Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on
every word that comes from the mouth of God.' "

May God add his blessings to the writing of His Word here within Usenet.


Amen

FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message. Because the
author of the message to which I am responding did not request that the header be
trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are upset about reading this message, a few
suggestions:

(1) Yell at Mu ;-)
(2) Report Mu to his ISP ;-)
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.

This discussion(s) is related to the 2 pound diet approach (2PD) which is described
completely at:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

Though Dr. Chung invented this approach, he did not initiate the Usenet
discussion(s). His participation in this discussion(s) has been voluntary and has
been conducted in the spirit of community service. His motivation has been entirely
altruistic and has arisen from his religious beliefs as a Christian. Jesus freely
gave of Himself to better the health of folks He touched:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp

From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are vehemently opposed to
the 2 pound diet approach. They have debated Dr. Chung on every perceived weakness of
the 2 pound diet approach and have lost the argument soundly at every point:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp

These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this discussion
thread(s).

However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the argument(s), certain
parties have redirected their hatred of the 2 pound diet approach toward its author.
The rationale appears to be "if you can not discredit the message then try to
discredit the messenger."

Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll" is someone who
posts under the cloak of anonymity messages with no redeeming discussion value and
with the sole purpose of starting "flame" wars.

These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the following
observations were made:

(1) Dr. Chung has not been posting anonymously.
(2) The 2PD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting the
discussion(s).
(a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the 2PD to achieve
near-ideal weight.
(b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when their weight becomes
near-ideal.
(c) For (b) see: http://makeashorterlink.com/?V5D042C47
(3) Dr. Chung did not start the discussion(s).
(4) The 2 pound diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
(5) Dr. Chung's credentials are real and easily verified on-line (including jpegs of
the actual diplomas).

Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have tried to attack
Dr. Chung's credentials knowing full well that they were attempting to libel him. One
notable example is Mr. Pastorio:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp

When the full light was cast on Mr. Pastorio's libelous statements, the hateful folks
hiding in the darkness of anonymity only hissed louder in support of their fallen
hero.

Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either actively or as
lurkers can easily dismiss the hisses, for what they are, using the on-line
third-party resources at:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp

where Dr. Chung's credentials can be verified many times over and libelous claims that
credentials were bought are easily and summarily debunked.

Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning the anon
posters who continue to hiss (ie JC Der Koenig and Mack):

(1) They are anonymous and thus they expect to have no credibility (or
accountability).
(2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory characters.
(3) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to deliver one-sided
insults.
(4) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Dr. Chung by cross-posting.
(5) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the 2PD or its
author.

and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.

It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to speed.

It will remain my pleasure to continue the discussion(s) about the 2PD above the din
of hissing from the peanut gallery.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

--
Who is the humblest person in the universe?

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L21532147


 




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