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Do you believe in stalls?
I mean like this:
A human person goes on a diet. They are thrilled to see they are not in fact going to have to buy two tickets every time they travel by air after all. Encouraged, they continue to watch their scale weight tumble happily downward but at some point the weight loss stops. Or has it just paused? Do you believe that this situation means that a persons' body is just resting and trying to achieve homeostasis at that weight, and when it fails miserably at this it will drop more mass? Inevitably? Or do you believe that there are stuck points regardless and without heroic efforts a person could conceivably sit there forever waiting for his muffin top to deflate? What is the standard amount of scale-gazing one should do before staging some sort of attack? What sort of horse is recommended lately for such attacks? c The above is figurative. I will not eat a horse. |
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Do you believe in stalls?
Jackie Patti wrote:
Yes, it'd be annoying if all the toilets were just out in the open. I gather that you don't wilderness hike then. Well, there are neigher stalls nor toilets. |
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Do you believe in stalls?
Yes, it'd be annoying if all the toilets were just out in the open.
-- http://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/ |
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On Oct 24, 8:02?pm, Jackie Patti wrote:
Yes, it'd be annoying if all the toilets were just out in the open. --http://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/ . Thanks Jackie. c hadn't quite looked at it like that. |
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Do you believe in stalls?
Starting off on Atkins, etc., people tend to lose a lot the first couple
weeks and then little or nothing for the remainder of the month. You just gotta be patient. How much did you weigh when you started, when did you start (specific date), how much have you lost so far, and what is your goal? I think it'd be good to put some background info in your posts when asking ?'s. Just a thought. Mike fat/not as fat/not fat |
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Do you believe in stalls?
On Oct 24, 9:10?pm, "em" wrote:
Starting off on Atkins, etc., people tend to lose a lot the first couple weeks and then little or nothing for the remainder of the month. You just gotta be patient. How much did you weigh when you started, when did you start (specific date), how much have you lost so far, and what is your goal? I think it'd be good to put some background info in your posts when asking ?'s. Just a thought. Mike fat/not as fat/not fat . Hi Mike: I wasn't asking for specific advice about my situation. I was asking what the conventional wisdom was about stalls and plateaus. Years ago, there was no such thing, DrA was a WOE and you had to be committed to THAT BOOK FOR LIFE, and the only deviations allowed involved either some kind of illness or being attacked by giant beetles. Then later, when people got more sophisticated and body builders got on board, we got a whole lot more information on stalls, tweaking, and legal drugs. We had tons of stackers on the board, some bodybuilders, fat fasters, and people who were doing something like Kimmiekins to beat the scale. The bodybuilders seemed to bend the meme a little, since they were early adopters to lowcarbing and they were always on some deadline or maybe they just stared in the mirror at the gym a lot and had a lot of time to ponder their biceps, I dunno. Anyway. There are two schools of thought on the matter ( well, at least two). One is that a plateau is a natural phenomenon that should not be f'd with because it will eventually resolve. Two is: dammit this is my body and I'm not going through all these contortions, swamp breath, shopping all weird, enduring candida die-off and so forth to STILL not fit into the gold lame' bridesmaid's dress. I've tended toward the latter but this is only because I get bored kind of easily and I seem to enjoy bossing my body around. Some people actually think that there is no way to get to a particular goal weight without a little bulldozing. They think metabolisms are essentially dumb eyeless creatures that need to be starved, burned and beaten to produce a good days' work. Other people...don't think that. c Just don't put the gold lame' *on* the horse *in* the stall.. |
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Do you believe in stalls?
On Oct 24, 11:12 pm, wrote:
On Oct 24, 9:10?pm, "em" wrote: Starting off on Atkins, etc., people tend to lose a lot the first couple weeks and then little or nothing for the remainder of the month. You just gotta be patient. How much did you weigh when you started, when did you start (specific date), how much have you lost so far, and what is your goal? I think it'd be good to put some background info in your posts when asking ?'s. Just a thought. Mike fat/not as fat/not fat . Hi Mike: I wasn't asking for specific advice about my situation. I was asking what the conventional wisdom was about stalls and plateaus. Years ago, there was no such thing, DrA was a WOE and you had to be committed to THAT BOOK FOR LIFE, and the only deviations allowed involved either some kind of illness or being attacked by giant beetles. Then later, when people got more sophisticated and body builders got on board, we got a whole lot more information on stalls, tweaking, and legal drugs. We had tons of stackers on the board, some bodybuilders, fat fasters, and people who were doing something like Kimmiekins to beat the scale. The bodybuilders seemed to bend the meme a little, since they were early adopters to lowcarbing and they were always on some deadline or maybe they just stared in the mirror at the gym a lot and had a lot of time to ponder their biceps, I dunno. Anyway. There are two schools of thought on the matter ( well, at least two). One is that a plateau is a natural phenomenon that should not be f'd with because it will eventually resolve. Two is: dammit this is my body and I'm not going through all these contortions, swamp breath, shopping all weird, enduring candida die-off and so forth to STILL not fit into the gold lame' bridesmaid's dress. I've tended toward the latter but this is only because I get bored kind of easily and I seem to enjoy bossing my body around. If scale doesn't move for 6 weeks in any meaningful direction, think about changes you could make. If you eat 3 meals, try 6. If you eat 6, try 3. If you're bent this way, look into intermittant fasting (that feels too much like dieting to me, but to each his own). If you're doing slow cardio, up to intervals. If you're not lifting weights, lift weights. If you are lifting weights, move to circuits. If you're doing circuits, switch to something hypertrophic. If you're not drinking green tea, give it a shot. If you eat a lot of cheese, maybe try less. If you're eating low calories, eat more. If you're not watching calories, maybe look into it (that feels too much like dieting to me, but to each his own). I forgot. If you're doing bike, drop it for treadmill. If you're doing elliptical, drop it entirely. If you want new results, shake things up. |
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A human person goes on a diet. They are thrilled to see they are not in fact going to have to buy two tickets every time they travel by air after all. Encouraged, they continue to watch their scale weight tumble happily downward but at some point the weight loss stops. Or has it just paused? The first and most important thing to do is review how Dr Atkins defined a stall (this really applies across the board not just to folks on Atkins) and see if you ARE on a stall and not just impatient. Every dieter in history has been impatient near as I can tell ... Dr A defined a stall as 4+ weeks (anything shorter than a month is NOT a stall, like it or not the time scale for fat loss is month to month) without a new low (the scale gives numbers that are often meaningless but each new low is a meaningfull number), without a lost inch (a majroity of dieters really diet for size loss and the scale is a secondary effect on that that just happens to be easy, lost inches are more a victory than new lows for most), in ketosis the whole time (really ketonuria, on other plans this means no cheats and no major lessons learned). Do you believe that this situation means that a persons' body is just resting and trying to achieve homeostasis at that weight, and when it fails miserably at this it will drop more mass? Inevitably? Or do you believe that there are stuck points regardless and without heroic efforts a person could conceivably sit there forever waiting for his muffin top to deflate? Set points happen, but folks do stall because they are eating too many or too few carbs, calories, whatever. So it's hard to know if heroic efforts are called for at all and so often folks want to do the wrong thing as well as do it too soon. What is the standard amount of scale-gazing one should do before staging some sort of attack? It is crucial that before the 4 week time nothing is wrong and no action is to be taken. And after that 4th week it is crucial to measure to make sure inches aren't being lost. What sort of horse is recommended lately for such attacks? My recommendations - 1) Recalibrate CCLL by spending a week out of ketosis to make sure you aren't driving hormone levels down by insufficient carbs. 2) Check for carb creep by measuring portions. Too many carbs is as bad as too few. 3) Check calories against some reasonable guideline. As folks lose their caloric requirements drop so habitual portion sizes might need to be reduced. Also the appetite suppression of ketosis leads some to put themselves into staravtion modes by undereating so sometimes portions need to be increased. 4) Junk food vs veggie check. Brocolli good. 5) Possible leptin reset or possible swing of fat to protein ratio. |
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