How a real scientist can make a difference. Eventually.

On May 22, 5:42*pm, Dogman wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2012 14:17:59 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:

[...]

Dogman, next time you get seriously ill, don't go to a Doctor.
Refuse any tests. *Don't take any drugs. *Don't go to a hospital,
because science is just corrupt and incompetent. *Just treat
yourself with diet and sleep and read Duesburg's book again.
That should work just fine and we'll all be happy.

If I ever do get seriously ill, I'll make sure the doctor I see knows
what he or she is talking about, is someone who never stops learning,
and is someone who fully understands what The Scientific Method and
the Hippocratic Oath actually are.

In other words, you have no doctor, which isn't surprising
given your bizarre mindset. What do you propose to do?
Give them a test on their understanding of your scientific
methods? Why don't you start with "Do you believe HIV
causes AIDS?" That should rule out 99.99% of all
doctors and leave you with just the quacks.

On May 22, 8:48*pm, Dogman wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2012 21:33:08 -0300, James Warren
wrote:

[...]

Of your list, I know something about Avandia, Actos and HRT. I don't think there is
evidence of any deliberate attempt to deceive or harm anyone. Mistakes happen.

You were on the O.J. jury, weren't you?

Sheesh.

Do you mean to say that there is evidence of deception and deliberate harm?
Show it to us please.

Did you not read that article I posted today? That's typical, it's not
an anomaly.


It's sure typical of your methods. You take one doctor's
opinion that is negative and instantly it becomes the gold
standard of truth. One doctor said it in an editorial and it's
negative about a drug company on a very complex subject.
Yet instantly, that one doctor must be right and what the
drug company did is criminal.....

Typical of your logic.



How can a person of even normal intelligence come away with any other
conclusion, that they did it deliberately, and with deception!

Very easy. It's just the opinion of one doctor on a
complex subject. And we have not even heard the other
side. Capiche?




And they do it all the time!


You do it all the time. AIDS, oncoviruses,
HPV, now this.




Now stop telling us to show you stuff; go find it yourself!

If you have to do a little work to find this stuff, you might actually
be more inclined to believe it.


For a guy that just jumped to all kinds of accusations from
one persons editorial, that's really special.

On May 23, 6:07*am, James Warren wrote:
On 23/05/2012 12:10 AM, Dogman wrote:





On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:45:08 -0300, James
wrote:

Read this book, James, you'll find out all you ever wanted to know
about your exalted medical and scientific communities:

Fraud and Misconduct in Biomedical Research
http://www.amazon.com/Fraud-Miscondu...rch-Frank/dp/1....

It's expensive, but your library can probably get it for you,
especially if you live near a major university.

Whoa. That's a pricey book. I don't see any reviews for the book so it is
hard to assess its value.

That's why I said you can probably find it at your library!

Jeez, what a freakin' maroon.

I've never, ever encountered anyone who could find excuse after excuse
for remaining ignorant, like you can.

You da man!

Under the circumstances I find it difficult to go very far out of my way
on your recommendation.



--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman

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Next time they need a life saving drug, he and Susan should
call a hippie.

On Wed, 23 May 2012 07:07:59 -0300, James Warren
wrote:


I've never, ever encountered anyone who could find excuse after excuse
for remaining ignorant, like you can.

You da man!

Under the circumstances I find it difficult to go very far out of my way
on your recommendation.

Then don't.

Stay ignorant.

It suits you.

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman

On Wed, 23 May 2012 07:09:06 -0300, James Warren
wrote:

That's your problem.

So you refuse.

Yes.

I don't like to enable laziness.

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman

On Wed, 23 May 2012 07:10:01 -0300, James Warren
wrote:


I'm sad to have to tell you this but we don't live in a perfect world.

It's about time that you've finally have figured that out!

You have been a fine exemplar of that all along.

I try to do my part.

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman

James Warren wrote:
Dogman wrote:

Read this book, James, you'll find out all you ever wanted to know
about your exalted medical and scientific communities:

Fraud and Misconduct in Biomedical Research
http://www.amazon.com/Fraud-Miscondu.../dp/1853157864

It's expensive, but your library can probably get it for you,
especially if you live near a major university.

Whoa. That's a pricey book. I don't see any reviews for the book so it is
hard to assess its value.

I recall the title or a title very similar was reviewed in Scientific
American a year or two ago.

On Wed, 23 May 2012 17:57:00 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
wrote:

James Warren wrote:
Dogman wrote:

Read this book, James, you'll find out all you ever wanted to know
about your exalted medical and scientific communities:

Fraud and Misconduct in Biomedical Research
http://www.amazon.com/Fraud-Miscondu.../dp/1853157864

It's expensive, but your library can probably get it for you,
especially if you live near a major university.

Whoa. That's a pricey book. I don't see any reviews for the book so it is
hard to assess its value.

I recall the title or a title very similar was reviewed in Scientific
American a year or two ago.

That may have been a previous edition.

I think this one is the Fourth.

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman

On Wed, 23 May 2012 06:25:19 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

Next time they need a life saving drug, he and Susan should
call a hippie.

Actually, if I ever need a life saving drug, I'll make damn sure that
the drug actually saves lives (and not just the next quarter's revenue
projections for the drug's maker).

Not just because a doctor (who may be getting paid by the drug's
maker) tells me it does.

Feel free to be just as gullible as James!



--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman

On Wed, 23 May 2012 06:21:46 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:


Did you not read that article I posted today? That's typical, it's not
an anomaly.

It's sure typical of your methods.

Yes, it is. To give examples, which I was asked for.

*The FDA withdrew their recommendation.*

I wonder why they did that?

You take one doctor's
opinion that is negative and instantly it becomes the gold
standard of truth.

Since you are unable to reason deductively, let's see if you can prove
him wrong.

You should be thanking this doctor, and here you are impugning his
efforts to save lives.

You're a real piece of work, asshole.

One doctor said it in an editorial and it's
negative about a drug company on a very complex subject.
Yet instantly, that one doctor must be right and what the
drug company did is criminal.....

Yes, it is criminal, unless you think "improvement in quality of life"
is just another way to say "deaths" and "heart attacks."

How can a person of even normal intelligence come away with any other
conclusion, that they did it deliberately, and with deception!

Very easy. It's just the opinion of one doctor on a
complex subject. And we have not even heard the other
side. Capiche?

We heard the other side when the FDA withdrew it's recommendations.

But feel free to take epoetin at the higher dose. It'll fit in well
with your AIDS "cocktail."

--
Dogman

"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty
about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman