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liquid diets?? Medifast, Optifast, HMR, etc...
I have another question. What is it about liquid diets that make them work? Is
it the fact that they are all liquid? What is the magic here? I guess what I really want to know is: for those who have been on medifast, hmr, optifast, etc - do you think someone could do the same thing with all protein shakes like EAS or ISOPURE or a combo of protein shakes as opposed to doing a structured plan like medifast, optifast, etc? Why or why not? Thanks Apple |
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Hi, I appreciate your post but that isn't what I asked - I am not asking if I
should go on a liquid diet, only if regular protein shakes would work the same as a structured liquid fast... :-) |
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"RedRipeApple" wrote in message ... Hi, I appreciate your post but that isn't what I asked - I am not asking if I should go on a liquid diet, only if regular protein shakes would work the same as a structured liquid fast... :-) Yes -- BADLY. |
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"RedRipeApple" wrote in message ... Hi, I appreciate your post but that isn't what I asked - I am not asking if I should go on a liquid diet, only if regular protein shakes would work the same as a structured liquid fast... :-) Hell no. These liquid diets have been designed to provide a good mix of nutrients. Trying to live off of protein shakes for an extended period of time would probably land you in the hospital, or worse. |
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p.s. don't only 5-10 percent of us keep the weight off from ANY diet anyhow?
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RedRipeApple wrote:
p.s. don't only 5-10 percent of us keep the weight off from ANY diet anyhow? Funny you should ask that. No. That stat is wrong for lots of reasons. Look at it this way: if you try 10 diets and fail at nine of them before you finally work out all the kinks and change forever, then you've had a 90% failure rate at dieting. It only takes one success. People debate whether liquid diets have any value in kick-starting a weight loss regimen. I really don't think they do. The people who used them have all the exact same struggles as the people who don't use them, they just pay more money and have some harder psychological issues associated with having to DEFEND a weight loss in public rather than ACHIEVE a weight loss in anonymity. (Look at it this way: if you eat at maintenance for a 250 pound person for a week then you won't lose any weight that week if you weigh 250 pounds. But if you weigh 200 pounds then you'd GAIN that week. It's the same week, the same struggles to relearn how to eat... except now you have to struggle in front of people who NOTICE that you've gained.) Also, rapid weight loss has some deleterious affects. Take my word for it. You've got to learn how to feed your body and exercise for the rest of your life if you want to lose weight and keep it off. If you're not willing to do that then don't bother messing around with a liquid diet. Dally |
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RedRipeApple wrote:
I have another question. What is it about liquid diets that make them work? Low calories. Is it the fact that they are all liquid? No. What is the magic here? Enforced portion control. Removing the choice on how to feed yourself from you. Reduced calories. I guess what I really want to know is: for those who have been on medifast, hmr, optifast, etc - do you think someone could do the same thing with all protein shakes like EAS or ISOPURE or a combo of protein shakes as opposed to doing a structured plan like medifast, optifast, etc? Why or why not? What you're buying with Meifast/Optifast is a nutrtionist designing the nutrient make-up as well as medical supervision in case the nutritionist is wrong. If you are so incapable of making good food choices that you got fat, why do you suddenly think you're knowledgable enough as a nutritionist now to design an unbalanced diet for yourself? Especially WITHOUT doctor supervision. No, the worst thing about liquid diets is that you're putting off learning how to eat for the rest of your life. There's no advantage in doing that, and especially no advantage in doing it dangerously. With that said, I often enjoy a Myoplex Lite protein shake as part of my planned meals/snacks. But it doesn't have enough fiber or phytonutrients in it to be a mainstay. Dally 244/171/165 |
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RedRipeApple wrote: I have another question. What is it about liquid diets that make them work? Is it the fact that they are all liquid? What is the magic here? There is no magic, it's calories in/calories out. Liquid diets are VLCD (very low calorie diets) that are between 500-800 cal/day. I guess what I really want to know is: for those who have been on medifast, hmr, optifast, etc - do you think someone could do the same thing with all protein shakes like EAS or ISOPURE or a combo of protein shakes as opposed to doing a structured plan like medifast, optifast, etc? Why or why not? Thanks Apple Let me start by saying I did HMR so I am speaking from actual experience. - NO you can't do the same thing with all protein shakes if you plan on having nutritional balance or VLCD. You need to be under a doctor's supervision to go that low. There are a ton of things that can go wrong. I was completely monitored with weekly checkups and monthly bloodwork and I *still* had medical problems. There were things that existed prior to the diet that I wasn't aware of and then there was effects of the diet. - You don't do a VLCD unless your BMI is 40+ or it is 30+ with some compelling medical issue that requires you to lose weight quickly. I was 40+ BMI to start and had been unsuccessful doing things the "old fashioned" way for 25 years. For me, it was this or surgery. - Liquid diets are not a quick fix. They require a lot of discipline and dedication to the program and to *maintenance*. Going to the classes helps you learn about how to eat right but until you are in the maintenance phase, you don't actually *practice* it. I've been successful at keeping the majority of my weight off so far, but it was rather difficult. Fine, I had medical problems that added to the difficulty, but once it was dealt with it still took a lot of work on my part, and still does. There are people who were in my program that gained everything back right away, people like me who have kept the bulk of it off, and even people who have not gained anything back, just like any old diet. I'm always willing to discuss this freely in email. I don't post a lot of specifics publicly because of privacy issues and a person who abuses personal information by twisting facts and trying to use them as a weapon. Jenn |
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"RedRipeApple" wrote in message ... I have another question. What is it about liquid diets that make them work? Is it the fact that they are all liquid? What is the magic here? I guess what I really want to know is: for those who have been on medifast, hmr, optifast, etc - do you think someone could do the same thing with all protein shakes like EAS or ISOPURE or a combo of protein shakes as opposed to doing a structured plan like medifast, optifast, etc? Why or why not? Thanks Apple They don't work. Not permanently. To be healthy and keep the weight off permanently, you have to exercise and eat healthy. |
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