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Old February 16th, 2004, 03:21 PM
Stargazer
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My local Food World (grocery chain) started carrying these yesterday. I
took a look at them, and was pleased by the nutrition label and ingredient
list, so I bought some of the plain ones. Tried one last night, toasted and
with butter - and liked it very much! They're softer than regular bagels,
but still toast well.

The claimed net carbs on them (7g) are true net carbs (total minus fiber, no
sugar alcohols). 18g total and 11g fiber, so a good source of fiber (and
for me a good occasional alternative to flaxseed and nuts as my primary
dietary fiber sources - and with that much fiber, a built-in natural
deterrent for any temptation I might have to eat more than one a day too,
g).

Cost was $5 for a pack of 6. Nutrition label info (for the plain variety):
Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190, fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5), sodium 310mg,
total carb 18g, fiber 11g, sugars 0g, protein 20g.

Ingredients (for the plain): Water, wheat protein, enriched wheat flour,
corn starch, inulin, wheat fiber, soybean oil, soy flour, yeast, salt,
natural and artificial flavors, lecithin, citric acid, calcium propionate
(preservative), cysteine, splenda, and cornmeal.


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Old February 16th, 2004, 03:38 PM
Jenny
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Stargazer,

Based on the nutritional info you supplied for the bagels, the fiber has
already been deducted and the true carb count is 18. You've been scammed..

If you multiply the given protein grams by 4 and the fat grams by 9 you get
the number of non-carbohydrate calories accounted for. Subtract this from
the total calories given, and you get the calories from carbs. If you
divide the calories from carbs by 4 you get the grams of non-fiber carb.

Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190,


fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5) == 40.5 calories from fat
protein 20g ==80 calories from protein


Total non-carb calories 120.5.

Carb calories (total 190 - total non-carb calories) =69.5

Carb grams (calories divided by 4) = 17.375.


Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c
5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm



"Stargazer" wrote in message
...
My local Food World (grocery chain) started carrying these yesterday. I
took a look at them, and was pleased by the nutrition label and ingredient
list, so I bought some of the plain ones. Tried one last night, toasted

and
with butter - and liked it very much! They're softer than regular bagels,
but still toast well.

The claimed net carbs on them (7g) are true net carbs (total minus fiber,

no
sugar alcohols). 18g total and 11g fiber, so a good source of fiber (and
for me a good occasional alternative to flaxseed and nuts as my primary
dietary fiber sources - and with that much fiber, a built-in natural
deterrent for any temptation I might have to eat more than one a day too,
g).

Cost was $5 for a pack of 6. Nutrition label info (for the plain

variety):
Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190, fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5), sodium 310mg,
total carb 18g, fiber 11g, sugars 0g, protein 20g.

Ingredients (for the plain): Water, wheat protein, enriched wheat flour,
corn starch, inulin, wheat fiber, soybean oil, soy flour, yeast, salt,
natural and artificial flavors, lecithin, citric acid, calcium propionate
(preservative), cysteine, splenda, and cornmeal.




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Old February 16th, 2004, 04:27 PM
Stargazer
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"Jenny" wrote in message
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Stargazer,

Based on the nutritional info you supplied for the bagels, the fiber has
already been deducted and the true carb count is 18. You've been

scammed..

If you multiply the given protein grams by 4 and the fat grams by 9 you

get
the number of non-carbohydrate calories accounted for. Subtract this from
the total calories given, and you get the calories from carbs. If you
divide the calories from carbs by 4 you get the grams of non-fiber carb.

Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190,


fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5) == 40.5 calories from fat
protein 20g ==80 calories from protein


Total non-carb calories 120.5.

Carb calories (total 190 - total non-carb calories) =69.5

Carb grams (calories divided by 4) = 17.375.


Hmmm - very interesting, and thanks for the explanation! At 17.5g/serving
they still wouldn't be completely verboten for me as breakfast material
(seeing as I'm approaching Maintenance, and as best I can figure my CCLM is
going to be around 65-75g). But either way they're not something I probably
would want to eat daily anyway (they're good but I do like variety - and I
still like eggs more).

The good thing is that the one I had yesterday didn't seem to spike my
blood-sugar (I don't have a glucometer as I'm not diabetic, however from
past experience I do know what the corresponding blood-sugar drop after a
big spike feels like physically), nor induce any cravings like eating a
'regular' one would have. So that's good too.

But the warning is very well taken and appreciated. Especially for anyone
on Induction or OWL, a difference of 10g carbs/serving on something could
make a huge impact on daily total.

Stargazer
Atkins since Apr '03
192/149/140


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Old February 16th, 2004, 04:46 PM
Mike
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Jenny,

Can you use those calculation on any food to determine if fibre is
subtracted or not?

Kinda new to low carbing so I am ignorant at best.

cheers,

Mike
"Jenny" wrote in message
...
Stargazer,

Based on the nutritional info you supplied for the bagels, the fiber has
already been deducted and the true carb count is 18. You've been

scammed..

If you multiply the given protein grams by 4 and the fat grams by 9 you

get
the number of non-carbohydrate calories accounted for. Subtract this from
the total calories given, and you get the calories from carbs. If you
divide the calories from carbs by 4 you get the grams of non-fiber carb.

Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190,


fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5) == 40.5 calories from fat
protein 20g ==80 calories from protein


Total non-carb calories 120.5.

Carb calories (total 190 - total non-carb calories) =69.5

Carb grams (calories divided by 4) = 17.375.


Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,

hba1c
5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm



"Stargazer" wrote in message
...
My local Food World (grocery chain) started carrying these yesterday. I
took a look at them, and was pleased by the nutrition label and

ingredient
list, so I bought some of the plain ones. Tried one last night, toasted

and
with butter - and liked it very much! They're softer than regular

bagels,
but still toast well.

The claimed net carbs on them (7g) are true net carbs (total minus

fiber,
no
sugar alcohols). 18g total and 11g fiber, so a good source of fiber

(and
for me a good occasional alternative to flaxseed and nuts as my primary
dietary fiber sources - and with that much fiber, a built-in natural
deterrent for any temptation I might have to eat more than one a day

too,
g).

Cost was $5 for a pack of 6. Nutrition label info (for the plain

variety):
Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190, fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5), sodium 310mg,
total carb 18g, fiber 11g, sugars 0g, protein 20g.

Ingredients (for the plain): Water, wheat protein, enriched wheat

flour,
corn starch, inulin, wheat fiber, soybean oil, soy flour, yeast, salt,
natural and artificial flavors, lecithin, citric acid, calcium

propionate
(preservative), cysteine, splenda, and cornmeal.






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Old February 16th, 2004, 06:24 PM
dot
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Default Atkins Bagels

Yeah...I don't get it either. I am very poor at math. Can someone
explain this in plain English ? :-) I certainly don't want to have to take
a calculator with me when I go grocery shopping.
dot

"X" wrote in message
news On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:38:55 -0500, "Jenny"
wrote:

Stargazer,

Based on the nutritional info you supplied for the bagels, the fiber has
already been deducted and the true carb count is 18. You've been scammed..

If you multiply the given protein grams by 4 and the fat grams by 9 you get
the number of non-carbohydrate calories accounted for. Subtract this from
the total calories given, and you get the calories from carbs. If you
divide the calories from carbs by 4 you get the grams of non-fiber carb.

Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190,


fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5) == 40.5 calories from fat
protein 20g ==80 calories from protein


Total non-carb calories 120.5.

Carb calories (total 190 - total non-carb calories) =69.5

Carb grams (calories divided by 4) = 17.375.


I thought you could subtract fiber from the carb count and get net
carbs.

17.375 grams of carbs - 11 grams fiber = 6.375 net grams of carbs.

or am I missing something.


X


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Old February 16th, 2004, 06:38 PM
Stargazer
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Default Atkins Bagels


"X" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:38:55 -0500, "Jenny"
wrote:

Stargazer,

Based on the nutritional info you supplied for the bagels, the fiber has
already been deducted and the true carb count is 18. You've been

scammed..

If you multiply the given protein grams by 4 and the fat grams by 9 you

get
the number of non-carbohydrate calories accounted for. Subtract this

from
the total calories given, and you get the calories from carbs. If you
divide the calories from carbs by 4 you get the grams of non-fiber carb.

Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190,


fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5) == 40.5 calories from fat
protein 20g ==80 calories from protein


Total non-carb calories 120.5.

Carb calories (total 190 - total non-carb calories) =69.5

Carb grams (calories divided by 4) = 17.375.


I thought you could subtract fiber from the carb count and get net
carbs.

17.375 grams of carbs - 11 grams fiber = 6.375 net grams of carbs.

or am I missing something.


You can, provided that the total carb count is the 'real' total (which
according to our labeling, it doesn't have to be - a lot of the low-carb
bars subtract sugar alcohol from their 'total' right upfront and never show
it at all). According to the formula used (9 cal per each gram of fat, 4
cal per each gram of protein, and the leftover calories (total calories
minus fat/protein calorie totals) divided by four (because each gram of
carb=4 calories) to get the total g of carbs (already excluding fiber). So
what she's saying is that the 18g total is already excluding fiber, which
makes sense.

However, I'm a little confoozled by the formula. I went back and tried it
on some foods in FitDay, and for some of them it was dead on (such as
psyllium husk - the total carbs for those per cup serving is around 108g,
with 96g of that being fiber - and the formula came out at 12g of carbs).
However for other foods it didn't come out right - such as flax seed (which
for one cup shows as around 53g total carbs, 24g fiber, and the formula
makes it 43g carbs). For some baked goods, it came out very close (such as
wheat bran bread), and for others it didn't (for French bread, the formula
total actually came out higher than the total carbs listed, though only
fractionally so). Even some fruits and veggies - broccoli came out pretty
close by the formula (4.6g total, 2.6g fiber, 2.8g formula), avocado less so
(10.79g total, 7.3g fiber, 5.5g by the formula). So I'm not sure why it
works well on some foods and not on others, unless I'm also missing
something.


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Old February 16th, 2004, 06:49 PM
Stargazer
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"dot" wrote in message
...
Yeah...I don't get it either. I am very poor at math. Can someone
explain this in plain English ? :-) I certainly don't want to have to

take
a calculator with me when I go grocery shopping.
dot


It's based on the fact that each gram of fat roughly equals 9 calories, each
gram of protein roughly 4 calories, each gram of digestible carb (which
means, not the fiber) roughly 4 calories. So if you know the total calories
and the fat and protein grams, you can figure the carb grams by the leftover
calories. Using the example:

4.5g of fat, times 9 calories per gram, would be 40.5 calories (4.5*9=40.5)
20g of protein, times 4 calories per gram, would be 80 calories from protein
(20*4=80)

80 (cal from protein) plus 40.5 (cal from fat) would be 120.5
(80+40.5=120.5)

Total calories by the label are 190. Subtract the fat/protein calorie total
from this, and you're left with the calories from carbs.
So, 190 minus 120.5 equals 69.5 (190-120.5=69.5).

If each gram of carb equals 4 calories, then divide 69.5 by 4 to get the
total grams of digestible carbs:
69.5 divided by 4 equals 17.375.

(hopefully I've understood the formula correctly and presented it correctly)

So as you can see, you'd probably need a calculator to figure it on the fly
anyway - at least I would, g. I'm not that good at math in my head
either.


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Old February 16th, 2004, 08:20 PM
Jenny
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Mike,

Yes, indeed, you should routinely sanity check any tempting label to see if
the stated protein, fat and carbs add up to what the label claims.

http://www.lowcarb.ca/low-carb-tools/hidden_carbs.html is a handy online
calculator that will do the math for you.

A discrepancy of a gram or two is understandable, there are small fractions
in the actual values, and fiber has a very small caloric value too. But a
lot of labels simply don't make sense. And some are downright fraudulent.

It's also a very good idea to pay attention to portion sizes. Some of the
recent "low carb" snack chips, for example, are low carb only if you only
eat a weighed "portion" which works out to of two or three chips--which is
true of regular ones, too. I've also seen tiny muffins with a 11 gram carb
count where the portion size is one half a muffin--or about one bite.
-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm



"Mike" wrote in message
...
Jenny,

Can you use those calculation on any food to determine if fibre is
subtracted or not?

Kinda new to low carbing so I am ignorant at best.

cheers,

Mike
"Jenny" wrote in message
...
Stargazer,

Based on the nutritional info you supplied for the bagels, the fiber has
already been deducted and the true carb count is 18. You've been

scammed..

If you multiply the given protein grams by 4 and the fat grams by 9 you

get
the number of non-carbohydrate calories accounted for. Subtract this

from
the total calories given, and you get the calories from carbs. If you
divide the calories from carbs by 4 you get the grams of non-fiber carb.

Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190,


fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5) == 40.5 calories from fat
protein 20g ==80 calories from protein


Total non-carb calories 120.5.

Carb calories (total 190 - total non-carb calories) =69.5

Carb grams (calories divided by 4) = 17.375.


Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,

hba1c
5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm



"Stargazer" wrote in message
...
My local Food World (grocery chain) started carrying these yesterday.

I
took a look at them, and was pleased by the nutrition label and

ingredient
list, so I bought some of the plain ones. Tried one last night,

toasted
and
with butter - and liked it very much! They're softer than regular

bagels,
but still toast well.

The claimed net carbs on them (7g) are true net carbs (total minus

fiber,
no
sugar alcohols). 18g total and 11g fiber, so a good source of fiber

(and
for me a good occasional alternative to flaxseed and nuts as my

primary
dietary fiber sources - and with that much fiber, a built-in natural
deterrent for any temptation I might have to eat more than one a day

too,
g).

Cost was $5 for a pack of 6. Nutrition label info (for the plain

variety):
Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190, fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5), sodium

310mg,
total carb 18g, fiber 11g, sugars 0g, protein 20g.

Ingredients (for the plain): Water, wheat protein, enriched wheat

flour,
corn starch, inulin, wheat fiber, soybean oil, soy flour, yeast, salt,
natural and artificial flavors, lecithin, citric acid, calcium

propionate
(preservative), cysteine, splenda, and cornmeal.








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Old February 16th, 2004, 08:27 PM
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However, I'm a little confoozled by the formula. I went back and tried it
on some foods in FitDay, and for some of them it was dead on (such as
psyllium husk - the total carbs for those per cup serving is around 108g,
with 96g of that being fiber - and the formula came out at 12g of carbs).
However for other foods it didn't come out right - such as flax seed

(which
for one cup shows as around 53g total carbs, 24g fiber, and the formula
makes it 43g carbs). For some baked goods, it came out very close (such

as
wheat bran bread), and for others it didn't (for French bread, the formula
total actually came out higher than the total carbs listed, though only
fractionally so). Even some fruits and veggies - broccoli came out pretty
close by the formula (4.6g total, 2.6g fiber, 2.8g formula), avocado less

so
(10.79g total, 7.3g fiber, 5.5g by the formula). So I'm not sure why it
works well on some foods and not on others, unless I'm also missing
something.


the 4-9-4 formula is only a rough estimate

see

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...faq.html#4-9-4

For multi-ingredient foods which are listed by brand name, calorie values
generally reflect industry practices of calculating calories from 4-9-4
kcal/g for protein, fat, and carbohydrate, respectively, or from 4-9-4 minus
insoluble fiber. The latter method is frequently used for high-fiber foods
because insoluble fiber is considered to provide no physiological energy.

and

http://www.dietsoftware.com/a****er.shtml

look up a****er conversion factors

Sid...




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Old February 16th, 2004, 08:28 PM
Jenny
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X,

What your missing is this: you can only subtract the fiber carbs from the
total carbs if they haven't already been subtracted from the label by the
manufacturer.

That's because true fiber, though it is treated as a carb for labeling, has
almost no calories.

When you add up the calories that come from fat and protein and subtract
them from the total, you end up with the number of calories that come from
carbs. There are roughly 4 calories for every gram of DIGESTIBLE carb and 0
for every gram of fiber.

So if a portion of food has 20 calories that come from carbohydrate, that
means it has 5 grams of carbs and anywhere from 0 to 10 grams of fiber. If
you see a food that has 20 calories not coming from fat and protein which
claims it has 5 grams of carbs and 5 grams of fiber, you know that the fiber
has already been deducted, because some real carbohydrate has to be
contributing that 20 calories--fiber does not contribute calories.

And since 1 gram of digestible carbohydrates contributes 4 calories you can
always estimate the grams of real carbs by looking at the calories derived
from carbohydrate.

(Also, sugar alcohols contribute anywhere from 3 real calories of
carbohydrate for a gram of maltitol, to less than 2 calories for Lacitol, to
less than 1 calorie for Erythritol)
-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm



"X" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:38:55 -0500, "Jenny"
wrote:

Stargazer,

Based on the nutritional info you supplied for the bagels, the fiber has
already been deducted and the true carb count is 18. You've been

scammed..

If you multiply the given protein grams by 4 and the fat grams by 9 you

get
the number of non-carbohydrate calories accounted for. Subtract this

from
the total calories given, and you get the calories from carbs. If you
divide the calories from carbs by 4 you get the grams of non-fiber carb.

Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190,


fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5) == 40.5 calories from fat
protein 20g ==80 calories from protein


Total non-carb calories 120.5.

Carb calories (total 190 - total non-carb calories) =69.5

Carb grams (calories divided by 4) = 17.375.


I thought you could subtract fiber from the carb count and get net
carbs.

17.375 grams of carbs - 11 grams fiber = 6.375 net grams of carbs.

or am I missing something.


X



 




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