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Donut Fraud
I heard on the news that a man got 15 months in jail for donut fraud. He
was buying donuts in bulk whole sale and repackaging them as low carb, 1 gr fat and 3 gr carbs when it was really about 20 grams of fat and 50 grams of carbs. These figures are not exact but they are something like it. I don't remember the brand name he was using either. Some of you may have eaten some of them. |
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Donut Good wrote:
:: I heard on the news that a man got 15 months in jail for donut :: fraud. He was buying donuts in bulk whole sale and repackaging them :: as low carb, 1 gr fat and 3 gr carbs when it was really about 20 :: grams of fat and 50 grams of carbs. These figures are not exact but :: they are something like it. I don't remember the brand name he was :: using either. Some of you may have eaten some of them. I doubt it. However, I'm certain you had several dozen. |
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Ignoramus15341 wrote:
:: In article , Roger Zoul :: wrote: ::: Donut Good wrote: ::::: I heard on the news that a man got 15 months in jail for donut ::::: fraud. He was buying donuts in bulk whole sale and repackaging ::::: them as low carb, 1 gr fat and 3 gr carbs when it was really ::::: about 20 grams of fat and 50 grams of carbs. These figures are ::::: not exact but they are something like it. I don't remember the ::::: brand name he was using either. Some of you may have eaten some ::::: of them. ::: ::: I doubt it. However, I'm certain you had several dozen. ::: ::: :: :: It is a true story, which I read a few days ago in the Wall Street :: Journal. (I am a regular reader of the WSJ). :: :: The guy was selling those donutsm falsely advertising them as "low :: fat", not "low carb". right....that's how I remembered it. I read the article too. A LC donut ought to be possible -- take out the sugar & white flour, put in the splenda and whatever, and leave the fat . Should make a nice cake-like donut. But, I ain't gonna be eaten no stinkin donuts -- LC or otherwise. It feels too much like the road to fatness to me. I've been on that road long enough. :: :: Despite Best Efforts, :: Doughnut Makers :: Must Fry, Fry Again :: Low-Fat Version of the Treat :: Proves Hard to Roll Out; :: Mr. Ligon Lands in Hole :: :: By SHIRLEY LEUNG :: Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL :: :: :: Robert Ligon, a 68-year-old health-food executive, is scheduled to :: begin serving 15 months in a federal prison Tuesday. His crime: :: willfully mislabeling doughnuts as low-fat. :: :: Exhibit A: The label on his company's "carob coated" doughnut said it :: had three grams of fat and 135 calories. But an analysis by the Food :: and Drug Administration showed that the doughnut, glazed with :: chocolate, contained a sinfully indulgent 18 grams of fat and 530 :: calories. :: :: Mr. Ligon's three-year-long nationwide doughnut caper -- which :: involved selling mislabeled doughnuts, cinnamon rolls and cookies to :: diet centers -- began to crumble when customers complained to the FDA :: about how tasty his products were. :: :: "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is," says Jim Dahl, :: assistant director of the Office of Criminal Investigation for the :: FDA. The skinny on low-fat doughnuts, he says: "Science can do a lot :: of things, but we're not quite there yet." :: :: The low-fat doughnut is the Holy Grail of the food industry. Food :: companies have been able to take most of the fat out of everything :: from cheese to Twinkies. But no one has succeeded in designing a :: marketable doughnut that dips below the federal low-fat threshold of :: three grams per serving. Doughnuts typically range from eight grams :: of :: fat for a glazed French cruller to more than double that for a :: cake-like doughnut. :: DOW JONES REPRINTS :: This copy is for your personal, non-commercial use only. To order :: presentation-ready copies for distribution to your colleagues, :: clients :: or customers, use the Order Reprints tool at the bottom of any :: article :: or visit: www.djreprints.com. ? See a sample reprint in PDF format :: ? Order a reprint of this article now. :: :: Perhaps no other bakery good is so dependent on fat. After the batter :: is shaped into rings and dropped into hot oil, the deep-frying :: process preserves the shape, gives the doughnut a crust and pushes :: out :: moisture, allowing for the absorption of fat. The fat itself is :: responsible for most of its flavor. A doughnut contains as much as :: 25% fat; the bulk of that is the oil absorbed during frying, :: according to :: the American Institute of Baking, a research and teaching outfit :: funded by the baking industry. :: :: The low-fat doughnut, declares Len Heflich, an industry executive at :: the American Bakers Association, is "not possible." :: :: That hasn't stopped almost everyone in the approximately $3 billion :: doughnut industry from trying. In the late 1980s, Dunkin' Donuts :: briefly offered a cholesterol-free doughnut that contained no eggs :: and :: no milk. It went nowhere. During the 1990s, Entenmann's Bakery :: offered :: a doughnut with 25% less fat but poor sales forced the company to :: shelve it. Krispy Kreme Doughnuts Inc. has explored low-fat or :: low-calorie options but has yet to roll one out. Some bakeries sell :: "baked doughnuts" that are low in fat, but doughnut-makers say that's :: cheating: If it's baked, it's a cake. :: :: Scientists are also trying to put the doughnut on a diet. U.S. Patent :: No. 6,001,399 claims that replacing sugar with polydextrose -- a :: low-calorie synthetic sweetener commonly found in ice cream and :: frozen foods -- can reduce the doughnut's absorption of frying fats :: by 25% to 30%. U.S. Patent No. 4,937,086 says that injecting :: polyvinylpyrrolidone -- which normally keeps pills in packed form -- :: into the doughnut batter reduces fat by 30% without a "pasty or :: greasy taste." :: :: In an article entitled "Development of Low Oil-Uptake Donuts" :: published in 2001 in the Journal of Food Science, scientists at the :: USDA Agricultural Research Service wrote that adding rice flour to :: the traditional wheat-flour-base doughnut mix lowered fat by 64%. :: Fred :: Shih, a chemist who helped author the study, says the doughnut that :: resulted was tasty, but he doesn't expect to see it on grocer shelves :: anytime soon. :: :: "It worked in a lab," he says, but "it may not be so easily converted :: into commercial operation." (One kink: short shelf life.) :: :: Despite its no-cholesterol-doughnut flop, Dunkin' Donuts, the :: nation's largest doughnut chain, continues to push ahead in the :: quest for a :: low-fat doughnut. The company's doughnut technologists have all but :: ruled out tinkering with its closely held, 26-ingredient batter, :: which contains little fat. The chain, a unit of London-based Allied :: Domecq :: PLC, has tried frying dough in a fat substitute but feared its :: digestive side effects would leave a bad taste. :: :: At its product laboratory in Braintree, Mass., on a recent morning, :: researchers in white lab coats tasted and prodded their latest :: prototype: a chewier-than-average doughnut that is not fried, but :: made :: on a machine that resembles a waffle maker. The result weighs in at :: 150 calories -- half the amount of its full-fat cousin -- and fewer :: than three grams of fat. Still, this doughnut fails to meet Dunkin's :: standards of texture, taste and something called "mouth feel." :: :: "We would love to be able to offer a great-tasting doughnut that is :: low-fat," says Joe Scafido, chief menu and concept officer for Allied :: Domecq's quick-service restaurants, "but I'm not sure we're going to :: get there." :: :: The criminal files on doughnut-related fraud thickened in the 1990s :: after new federal laws required more-detailed labeling of food. The :: FDA's Office of Criminal Investigation says that about a quarter of :: its cases involve food, most related to tampering. About 20% of those :: food cases are related to "misbranding" of food, such as false labels :: or misstated country of origin. :: :: Mr. Ligon, who is scheduled to begin his sentence Tuesday, was not :: the first doughnut derelict. In 2000, Vernon Patterson, president of :: Genesis II Foods Inc., an Illinois bakery, pleaded guilty to one :: count :: of mail fraud for passing off three varieties of doughnuts as :: low-fat. According to federal court records, customers helped build :: the case against Mr. Patterson by raising questions about his :: suspiciously tasty low-fat treats. Mr. Patterson served one year and :: one day in a federal prison. :: :: The doughnut ring of Mr. Ligon, a former weight-loss-center :: franchisee, began in 1995, the FDA says. That's when he started a :: weight-loss product company, Nutrisource Inc., to sell protein :: shakes, nutritional bars and baked goods to diet centers. According :: to Rudy :: Hejny, the FDA agent in charge of the investigation, Mr. Ligon bought :: full-fat doughnuts from Cloverhill Bakery, a Chicago company, and :: repackaged them as diet doughnuts. It was a lucrative operation: :: Mr. Ligon would buy doughnuts for 25 cents to 33 cents each and then :: resell the mislabeled versions for a dollar each. :: :: Customer complaints to the FDA started rolling in, questioning :: whether these were in fact low-fat doughnuts. So did one from a :: packaging :: company Mr. Ligon hired to label and distribute the doughnuts. Key :: evidence: One of its employees gained weight after eating Mr. Ligon's :: doughnuts. :: :: The FDA launched an investigation in 1997, tracking down Mr. Ligon's :: customers and former business partners in a previous :: weight-loss-product company. Investigators learned that this wasn't :: Mr. Ligon's first brush with improperly labeled doughnuts. One of his :: former customers, the owner of a weight-loss center, had grown :: suspicious after briefly placing one of his doughnuts on a napkin to :: answer the phone. :: :: "She saw a grease ring," says Mr. Hejny. The customer had the :: doughnut independently tested and discovered it was not low-fat. No :: legal :: action was taken. :: :: In the summer of 1997, the FDA, armed with search warrants, raided :: Mr. Ligon's office and packaging facilities in Kentucky and Illinois, :: seizing 18,720 doughnuts, along with cinnamon rolls and :: labels. Mr. Ligon shut down the business, but the FDA pursued a :: criminal case. :: :: In 2001, a U.S. District Court grand jury in Chicago indicted :: Mr. Ligon on mail fraud for his role in carrying out a scheme that :: involved shipping falsely labeled goods. In September, Mr. Ligon :: pleaded guilty to one count of mail fraud. At the time of sentencing, :: the government calculated he attempted to sell several hundred :: thousand dollars' worth of mislabeled doughnuts and cinnamon rolls. :: :: "Mr. Ligon abused the trust people put on these labels," says Stuart :: Fullerton, the assistant U.S. attorney who prosecuted the case. "It's :: kind of cruel on his part to do this." :: :: Reached on his mobile phone, Mr. Ligon says he didn't intentionally :: break the law and never heard a single complaint about his :: doughnuts. "Everybody wanted the product and were very upset they :: couldn't get the product," he says. Asked if he felt the punishment :: fit the crime, he says: "I feel like I've been singled out." :: :: For all his troubles, Mr. Ligon says he doesn't even eat :: doughnuts. That works out fine. Most federal prisons, says a :: spokeswoman, don't serve doughnuts. :: :: Write to Shirley Leung at 3 :: :: i |
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Donut Fraud
Ignoramus15341 wrote:
:: In article , Roger Zoul :: wrote: ::: Ignoramus15341 wrote: ::::: In article , Roger ::::: Zoul wrote: :::::: Donut Good wrote: :::::::: I heard on the news that a man got 15 months in jail for donut :::::::: fraud. He was buying donuts in bulk whole sale and repackaging :::::::: them as low carb, 1 gr fat and 3 gr carbs when it was really :::::::: about 20 grams of fat and 50 grams of carbs. These figures are :::::::: not exact but they are something like it. I don't remember the :::::::: brand name he was using either. Some of you may have eaten some :::::::: of them. :::::: :::::: I doubt it. However, I'm certain you had several dozen. :::::: :::::: ::::: ::::: It is a true story, which I read a few days ago in the Wall Street ::::: Journal. (I am a regular reader of the WSJ). ::::: ::::: The guy was selling those donutsm falsely advertising them as "low ::::: fat", not "low carb". ::: ::: right....that's how I remembered it. I read the article too. ::: ::: A LC donut ought to be possible -- take out the sugar & white ::: flour, put in the splenda and whatever, and leave the fat . ::: Should make a nice cake-like donut. :: :: that would be more like fat and splenda mixed together, with not much :: else think so? put in some soy this or that, some wheat this or that, some flax this or that....it would be thick, I think, like a cake type donut. Have you seen those? |
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Roger Zoul wrote:
Ignoramus15341 wrote: :: In article , Roger Zoul :: wrote: ::: Ignoramus15341 wrote: ::::: In article , Roger ::::: Zoul wrote: :::::: Donut Good wrote: :::::::: I heard on the news that a man got 15 months in jail for donut :::::::: fraud. He was buying donuts in bulk whole sale and repackaging :::::::: them as low carb, 1 gr fat and 3 gr carbs when it was really :::::::: about 20 grams of fat and 50 grams of carbs. These figures are :::::::: not exact but they are something like it. I don't remember the :::::::: brand name he was using either. Some of you may have eaten some :::::::: of them. :::::: :::::: I doubt it. However, I'm certain you had several dozen. :::::: :::::: ::::: ::::: It is a true story, which I read a few days ago in the Wall Street ::::: Journal. (I am a regular reader of the WSJ). ::::: ::::: The guy was selling those donutsm falsely advertising them as "low ::::: fat", not "low carb". ::: ::: right....that's how I remembered it. I read the article too. ::: ::: A LC donut ought to be possible -- take out the sugar & white ::: flour, put in the splenda and whatever, and leave the fat . ::: Should make a nice cake-like donut. :: :: that would be more like fat and splenda mixed together, with not much :: else think so? put in some soy this or that, some wheat this or that, some flax this or that....it would be thick, I think, like a cake type donut. Have you seen those? Have used Atkins pancake batter, thicker, form it, puch out a hole, deep-fry, add splenda and cinnamon. Not too bad. Myway |
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Roger Zoul coded for transmition to space: Ignoramus15341 wrote: that would be more like fat and splenda mixed together, with not much else think so? put in some soy this or that, some wheat this or that, some flax this or that....it would be thick, I think, like a cake type donut. Have you seen those? Soy/flax and almond. Heavy on the almond. Would make a dense cakey donut. The hard part would be putting in enough soy to get it hold to together while frying yet not taste too much of soy. Perhaps flax and wheat gluten mixed with almond instead? -- revek It was all very well going on about pure logic and how the universe was ruled by logic and the harmony of numbers, but the plain fact of the matter was that the disc was manifestly traversing space on the back of a giant turtle and the gods had a habit of going round to atheists' houses and smashing their windows. - Terry Pratchet, The Color Of Magic |
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Ignoramus15341 wrote:
:: In article , revek :: wrote: ::: In , ::: Roger Zoul coded for transmition to space: :::: Ignoramus15341 wrote: :::::: that would be more like fat and splenda mixed together, with not :::::: much else :::: :::: think so? put in some soy this or that, some wheat this or that, :::: some flax this or that....it would be thick, I think, like a cake :::: type donut. Have you seen those? ::: ::: Soy/flax and almond. Heavy on the almond. Would make a dense cakey ::: donut. The hard part would be putting in enough soy to get it hold ::: to together while frying yet not taste too much of soy. Perhaps ::: flax and wheat gluten mixed with almond instead? ::: :: :: Sounds like a very tasty treat. You might need to add some eggs to :: bind that stuff together, instead of soy. :: :: it would not be a donut, but it'll probably taste great. Imagine a donut-like-thing that would be good for you. Sounds too hard to believe, really. |
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Couldn't you tll it was NOT LC after one bite? One sip of coke instead of
diet coke and my head's spinning. "Ignoramus15341" wrote in message ... In article , Roger Zoul wrote: Donut Good wrote: :: I heard on the news that a man got 15 months in jail for donut :: fraud. He was buying donuts in bulk whole sale and repackaging them :: as low carb, 1 gr fat and 3 gr carbs when it was really about 20 :: grams of fat and 50 grams of carbs. These figures are not exact but :: they are something like it. I don't remember the brand name he was :: using either. Some of you may have eaten some of them. I doubt it. However, I'm certain you had several dozen. It is a true story, which I read a few days ago in the Wall Street Journal. (I am a regular reader of the WSJ). The guy was selling those donutsm falsely advertising them as "low fat", not "low carb". Despite Best Efforts, Doughnut Makers Must Fry, Fry Again Low-Fat Version of the Treat Proves Hard to Roll Out; Mr. Ligon Lands in Hole By SHIRLEY LEUNG Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL Robert Ligon, a 68-year-old health-food executive, is scheduled to begin serving 15 months in a federal prison Tuesday. His crime: willfully mislabeling doughnuts as low-fat. Exhibit A: The label on his company's "carob coated" doughnut said it had three grams of fat and 135 calories. But an analysis by the Food and Drug Administration showed that the doughnut, glazed with chocolate, contained a sinfully indulgent 18 grams of fat and 530 calories. Mr. Ligon's three-year-long nationwide doughnut caper -- which involved selling mislabeled doughnuts, cinnamon rolls and cookies to diet centers -- began to crumble when customers complained to the FDA about how tasty his products were. "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is," says Jim Dahl, assistant director of the Office of Criminal Investigation for the FDA. The skinny on low-fat doughnuts, he says: "Science can do a lot of things, but we're not quite there yet." The low-fat doughnut is the Holy Grail of the food industry. Food companies have been able to take most of the fat out of everything from cheese to Twinkies. But no one has succeeded in designing a marketable doughnut that dips below the federal low-fat threshold of three grams per serving. Doughnuts typically range from eight grams of fat for a glazed French cruller to more than double that for a cake-like doughnut. DOW JONES REPRINTS This copy is for your personal, non-commercial use only. To order presentation-ready copies for distribution to your colleagues, clients or customers, use the Order Reprints tool at the bottom of any article or visit: www.djreprints.com. ? See a sample reprint in PDF format ? Order a reprint of this article now. Perhaps no other bakery good is so dependent on fat. After the batter is shaped into rings and dropped into hot oil, the deep-frying process preserves the shape, gives the doughnut a crust and pushes out moisture, allowing for the absorption of fat. The fat itself is responsible for most of its flavor. A doughnut contains as much as 25% fat; the bulk of that is the oil absorbed during frying, according to the American Institute of Baking, a research and teaching outfit funded by the baking industry. The low-fat doughnut, declares Len Heflich, an industry executive at the American Bakers Association, is "not possible." That hasn't stopped almost everyone in the approximately $3 billion doughnut industry from trying. In the late 1980s, Dunkin' Donuts briefly offered a cholesterol-free doughnut that contained no eggs and no milk. It went nowhere. During the 1990s, Entenmann's Bakery offered a doughnut with 25% less fat but poor sales forced the company to shelve it. Krispy Kreme Doughnuts Inc. has explored low-fat or low-calorie options but has yet to roll one out. Some bakeries sell "baked doughnuts" that are low in fat, but doughnut-makers say that's cheating: If it's baked, it's a cake. Scientists are also trying to put the doughnut on a diet. U.S. Patent No. 6,001,399 claims that replacing sugar with polydextrose -- a low-calorie synthetic sweetener commonly found in ice cream and frozen foods -- can reduce the doughnut's absorption of frying fats by 25% to 30%. U.S. Patent No. 4,937,086 says that injecting polyvinylpyrrolidone -- which normally keeps pills in packed form -- into the doughnut batter reduces fat by 30% without a "pasty or greasy taste." In an article entitled "Development of Low Oil-Uptake Donuts" published in 2001 in the Journal of Food Science, scientists at the USDA Agricultural Research Service wrote that adding rice flour to the traditional wheat-flour-base doughnut mix lowered fat by 64%. Fred Shih, a chemist who helped author the study, says the doughnut that resulted was tasty, but he doesn't expect to see it on grocer shelves anytime soon. "It worked in a lab," he says, but "it may not be so easily converted into commercial operation." (One kink: short shelf life.) Despite its no-cholesterol-doughnut flop, Dunkin' Donuts, the nation's largest doughnut chain, continues to push ahead in the quest for a low-fat doughnut. The company's doughnut technologists have all but ruled out tinkering with its closely held, 26-ingredient batter, which contains little fat. The chain, a unit of London-based Allied Domecq PLC, has tried frying dough in a fat substitute but feared its digestive side effects would leave a bad taste. At its product laboratory in Braintree, Mass., on a recent morning, researchers in white lab coats tasted and prodded their latest prototype: a chewier-than-average doughnut that is not fried, but made on a machine that resembles a waffle maker. The result weighs in at 150 calories -- half the amount of its full-fat cousin -- and fewer than three grams of fat. Still, this doughnut fails to meet Dunkin's standards of texture, taste and something called "mouth feel." "We would love to be able to offer a great-tasting doughnut that is low-fat," says Joe Scafido, chief menu and concept officer for Allied Domecq's quick-service restaurants, "but I'm not sure we're going to get there." The criminal files on doughnut-related fraud thickened in the 1990s after new federal laws required more-detailed labeling of food. The FDA's Office of Criminal Investigation says that about a quarter of its cases involve food, most related to tampering. About 20% of those food cases are related to "misbranding" of food, such as false labels or misstated country of origin. Mr. Ligon, who is scheduled to begin his sentence Tuesday, was not the first doughnut derelict. In 2000, Vernon Patterson, president of Genesis II Foods Inc., an Illinois bakery, pleaded guilty to one count of mail fraud for passing off three varieties of doughnuts as low-fat. According to federal court records, customers helped build the case against Mr. Patterson by raising questions about his suspiciously tasty low-fat treats. Mr. Patterson served one year and one day in a federal prison. The doughnut ring of Mr. Ligon, a former weight-loss-center franchisee, began in 1995, the FDA says. That's when he started a weight-loss product company, Nutrisource Inc., to sell protein shakes, nutritional bars and baked goods to diet centers. According to Rudy Hejny, the FDA agent in charge of the investigation, Mr. Ligon bought full-fat doughnuts from Cloverhill Bakery, a Chicago company, and repackaged them as diet doughnuts. It was a lucrative operation: Mr. Ligon would buy doughnuts for 25 cents to 33 cents each and then resell the mislabeled versions for a dollar each. Customer complaints to the FDA started rolling in, questioning whether these were in fact low-fat doughnuts. So did one from a packaging company Mr. Ligon hired to label and distribute the doughnuts. Key evidence: One of its employees gained weight after eating Mr. Ligon's doughnuts. The FDA launched an investigation in 1997, tracking down Mr. Ligon's customers and former business partners in a previous weight-loss-product company. Investigators learned that this wasn't Mr. Ligon's first brush with improperly labeled doughnuts. One of his former customers, the owner of a weight-loss center, had grown suspicious after briefly placing one of his doughnuts on a napkin to answer the phone. "She saw a grease ring," says Mr. Hejny. The customer had the doughnut independently tested and discovered it was not low-fat. No legal action was taken. In the summer of 1997, the FDA, armed with search warrants, raided Mr. Ligon's office and packaging facilities in Kentucky and Illinois, seizing 18,720 doughnuts, along with cinnamon rolls and labels. Mr. Ligon shut down the business, but the FDA pursued a criminal case. In 2001, a U.S. District Court grand jury in Chicago indicted Mr. Ligon on mail fraud for his role in carrying out a scheme that involved shipping falsely labeled goods. In September, Mr. Ligon pleaded guilty to one count of mail fraud. At the time of sentencing, the government calculated he attempted to sell several hundred thousand dollars' worth of mislabeled doughnuts and cinnamon rolls. "Mr. Ligon abused the trust people put on these labels," says Stuart Fullerton, the assistant U.S. attorney who prosecuted the case. "It's kind of cruel on his part to do this." Reached on his mobile phone, Mr. Ligon says he didn't intentionally break the law and never heard a single complaint about his doughnuts. "Everybody wanted the product and were very upset they couldn't get the product," he says. Asked if he felt the punishment fit the crime, he says: "I feel like I've been singled out." For all his troubles, Mr. Ligon says he doesn't even eat doughnuts. That works out fine. Most federal prisons, says a spokeswoman, don't serve doughnuts. Write to Shirley Leung at 3 i |
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:42:04 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
wrote: ::: Soy/flax and almond. Heavy on the almond. Would make a dense cakey ::: donut. The hard part would be putting in enough soy to get it hold ::: to together while frying yet not taste too much of soy. Perhaps ::: flax and wheat gluten mixed with almond instead? ::: :: :: Sounds like a very tasty treat. You might need to add some eggs to :: bind that stuff together, instead of soy. :: :: it would not be a donut, but it'll probably taste great. Imagine a donut-like-thing that would be good for you. Sounds too hard to believe, really. I'm still working on that fruitcake idea, myself. As far as a low carb donut is concerned? Bring it on! It would be nice to eat a donut without worrying if it'll give me killer heartburn. If they can make a low carb bagel, can a low carb donut be far behind? Karen Rodgers ********** Windbourne, folk singers of the future http://www.windbourne.com/ remove "_rice_" from my email address ********** |
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