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Atkins Bagels
My local Food World (grocery chain) started carrying these yesterday. I
took a look at them, and was pleased by the nutrition label and ingredient list, so I bought some of the plain ones. Tried one last night, toasted and with butter - and liked it very much! They're softer than regular bagels, but still toast well. The claimed net carbs on them (7g) are true net carbs (total minus fiber, no sugar alcohols). 18g total and 11g fiber, so a good source of fiber (and for me a good occasional alternative to flaxseed and nuts as my primary dietary fiber sources - and with that much fiber, a built-in natural deterrent for any temptation I might have to eat more than one a day too, g). Cost was $5 for a pack of 6. Nutrition label info (for the plain variety): Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190, fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5), sodium 310mg, total carb 18g, fiber 11g, sugars 0g, protein 20g. Ingredients (for the plain): Water, wheat protein, enriched wheat flour, corn starch, inulin, wheat fiber, soybean oil, soy flour, yeast, salt, natural and artificial flavors, lecithin, citric acid, calcium propionate (preservative), cysteine, splenda, and cornmeal. |
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Stargazer,
Based on the nutritional info you supplied for the bagels, the fiber has already been deducted and the true carb count is 18. You've been scammed.. If you multiply the given protein grams by 4 and the fat grams by 9 you get the number of non-carbohydrate calories accounted for. Subtract this from the total calories given, and you get the calories from carbs. If you divide the calories from carbs by 4 you get the grams of non-fiber carb. Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190, fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5) == 40.5 calories from fat protein 20g ==80 calories from protein Total non-carb calories 120.5. Carb calories (total 190 - total non-carb calories) =69.5 Carb grams (calories divided by 4) = 17.375. Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm "Stargazer" wrote in message ... My local Food World (grocery chain) started carrying these yesterday. I took a look at them, and was pleased by the nutrition label and ingredient list, so I bought some of the plain ones. Tried one last night, toasted and with butter - and liked it very much! They're softer than regular bagels, but still toast well. The claimed net carbs on them (7g) are true net carbs (total minus fiber, no sugar alcohols). 18g total and 11g fiber, so a good source of fiber (and for me a good occasional alternative to flaxseed and nuts as my primary dietary fiber sources - and with that much fiber, a built-in natural deterrent for any temptation I might have to eat more than one a day too, g). Cost was $5 for a pack of 6. Nutrition label info (for the plain variety): Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190, fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5), sodium 310mg, total carb 18g, fiber 11g, sugars 0g, protein 20g. Ingredients (for the plain): Water, wheat protein, enriched wheat flour, corn starch, inulin, wheat fiber, soybean oil, soy flour, yeast, salt, natural and artificial flavors, lecithin, citric acid, calcium propionate (preservative), cysteine, splenda, and cornmeal. |
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Atkins Bagels
"Jenny" wrote in message ... Stargazer, Based on the nutritional info you supplied for the bagels, the fiber has already been deducted and the true carb count is 18. You've been scammed.. If you multiply the given protein grams by 4 and the fat grams by 9 you get the number of non-carbohydrate calories accounted for. Subtract this from the total calories given, and you get the calories from carbs. If you divide the calories from carbs by 4 you get the grams of non-fiber carb. Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190, fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5) == 40.5 calories from fat protein 20g ==80 calories from protein Total non-carb calories 120.5. Carb calories (total 190 - total non-carb calories) =69.5 Carb grams (calories divided by 4) = 17.375. Hmmm - very interesting, and thanks for the explanation! At 17.5g/serving they still wouldn't be completely verboten for me as breakfast material (seeing as I'm approaching Maintenance, and as best I can figure my CCLM is going to be around 65-75g). But either way they're not something I probably would want to eat daily anyway (they're good but I do like variety - and I still like eggs more). The good thing is that the one I had yesterday didn't seem to spike my blood-sugar (I don't have a glucometer as I'm not diabetic, however from past experience I do know what the corresponding blood-sugar drop after a big spike feels like physically), nor induce any cravings like eating a 'regular' one would have. So that's good too. But the warning is very well taken and appreciated. Especially for anyone on Induction or OWL, a difference of 10g carbs/serving on something could make a huge impact on daily total. Stargazer Atkins since Apr '03 192/149/140 |
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Jenny,
Can you use those calculation on any food to determine if fibre is subtracted or not? Kinda new to low carbing so I am ignorant at best. cheers, Mike "Jenny" wrote in message ... Stargazer, Based on the nutritional info you supplied for the bagels, the fiber has already been deducted and the true carb count is 18. You've been scammed.. If you multiply the given protein grams by 4 and the fat grams by 9 you get the number of non-carbohydrate calories accounted for. Subtract this from the total calories given, and you get the calories from carbs. If you divide the calories from carbs by 4 you get the grams of non-fiber carb. Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190, fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5) == 40.5 calories from fat protein 20g ==80 calories from protein Total non-carb calories 120.5. Carb calories (total 190 - total non-carb calories) =69.5 Carb grams (calories divided by 4) = 17.375. Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm "Stargazer" wrote in message ... My local Food World (grocery chain) started carrying these yesterday. I took a look at them, and was pleased by the nutrition label and ingredient list, so I bought some of the plain ones. Tried one last night, toasted and with butter - and liked it very much! They're softer than regular bagels, but still toast well. The claimed net carbs on them (7g) are true net carbs (total minus fiber, no sugar alcohols). 18g total and 11g fiber, so a good source of fiber (and for me a good occasional alternative to flaxseed and nuts as my primary dietary fiber sources - and with that much fiber, a built-in natural deterrent for any temptation I might have to eat more than one a day too, g). Cost was $5 for a pack of 6. Nutrition label info (for the plain variety): Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190, fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5), sodium 310mg, total carb 18g, fiber 11g, sugars 0g, protein 20g. Ingredients (for the plain): Water, wheat protein, enriched wheat flour, corn starch, inulin, wheat fiber, soybean oil, soy flour, yeast, salt, natural and artificial flavors, lecithin, citric acid, calcium propionate (preservative), cysteine, splenda, and cornmeal. |
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Yeah...I don't get it either. I am very poor at math. Can someone
explain this in plain English ? :-) I certainly don't want to have to take a calculator with me when I go grocery shopping. dot "X" wrote in message news On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:38:55 -0500, "Jenny" wrote: Stargazer, Based on the nutritional info you supplied for the bagels, the fiber has already been deducted and the true carb count is 18. You've been scammed.. If you multiply the given protein grams by 4 and the fat grams by 9 you get the number of non-carbohydrate calories accounted for. Subtract this from the total calories given, and you get the calories from carbs. If you divide the calories from carbs by 4 you get the grams of non-fiber carb. Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190, fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5) == 40.5 calories from fat protein 20g ==80 calories from protein Total non-carb calories 120.5. Carb calories (total 190 - total non-carb calories) =69.5 Carb grams (calories divided by 4) = 17.375. I thought you could subtract fiber from the carb count and get net carbs. 17.375 grams of carbs - 11 grams fiber = 6.375 net grams of carbs. or am I missing something. X |
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Atkins Bagels
"X" wrote in message news On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:38:55 -0500, "Jenny" wrote: Stargazer, Based on the nutritional info you supplied for the bagels, the fiber has already been deducted and the true carb count is 18. You've been scammed.. If you multiply the given protein grams by 4 and the fat grams by 9 you get the number of non-carbohydrate calories accounted for. Subtract this from the total calories given, and you get the calories from carbs. If you divide the calories from carbs by 4 you get the grams of non-fiber carb. Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190, fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5) == 40.5 calories from fat protein 20g ==80 calories from protein Total non-carb calories 120.5. Carb calories (total 190 - total non-carb calories) =69.5 Carb grams (calories divided by 4) = 17.375. I thought you could subtract fiber from the carb count and get net carbs. 17.375 grams of carbs - 11 grams fiber = 6.375 net grams of carbs. or am I missing something. You can, provided that the total carb count is the 'real' total (which according to our labeling, it doesn't have to be - a lot of the low-carb bars subtract sugar alcohol from their 'total' right upfront and never show it at all). According to the formula used (9 cal per each gram of fat, 4 cal per each gram of protein, and the leftover calories (total calories minus fat/protein calorie totals) divided by four (because each gram of carb=4 calories) to get the total g of carbs (already excluding fiber). So what she's saying is that the 18g total is already excluding fiber, which makes sense. However, I'm a little confoozled by the formula. I went back and tried it on some foods in FitDay, and for some of them it was dead on (such as psyllium husk - the total carbs for those per cup serving is around 108g, with 96g of that being fiber - and the formula came out at 12g of carbs). However for other foods it didn't come out right - such as flax seed (which for one cup shows as around 53g total carbs, 24g fiber, and the formula makes it 43g carbs). For some baked goods, it came out very close (such as wheat bran bread), and for others it didn't (for French bread, the formula total actually came out higher than the total carbs listed, though only fractionally so). Even some fruits and veggies - broccoli came out pretty close by the formula (4.6g total, 2.6g fiber, 2.8g formula), avocado less so (10.79g total, 7.3g fiber, 5.5g by the formula). So I'm not sure why it works well on some foods and not on others, unless I'm also missing something. |
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Atkins Bagels
"dot" wrote in message ... Yeah...I don't get it either. I am very poor at math. Can someone explain this in plain English ? :-) I certainly don't want to have to take a calculator with me when I go grocery shopping. dot It's based on the fact that each gram of fat roughly equals 9 calories, each gram of protein roughly 4 calories, each gram of digestible carb (which means, not the fiber) roughly 4 calories. So if you know the total calories and the fat and protein grams, you can figure the carb grams by the leftover calories. Using the example: 4.5g of fat, times 9 calories per gram, would be 40.5 calories (4.5*9=40.5) 20g of protein, times 4 calories per gram, would be 80 calories from protein (20*4=80) 80 (cal from protein) plus 40.5 (cal from fat) would be 120.5 (80+40.5=120.5) Total calories by the label are 190. Subtract the fat/protein calorie total from this, and you're left with the calories from carbs. So, 190 minus 120.5 equals 69.5 (190-120.5=69.5). If each gram of carb equals 4 calories, then divide 69.5 by 4 to get the total grams of digestible carbs: 69.5 divided by 4 equals 17.375. (hopefully I've understood the formula correctly and presented it correctly) So as you can see, you'd probably need a calculator to figure it on the fly anyway - at least I would, g. I'm not that good at math in my head either. |
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Mike,
Yes, indeed, you should routinely sanity check any tempting label to see if the stated protein, fat and carbs add up to what the label claims. http://www.lowcarb.ca/low-carb-tools/hidden_carbs.html is a handy online calculator that will do the math for you. A discrepancy of a gram or two is understandable, there are small fractions in the actual values, and fiber has a very small caloric value too. But a lot of labels simply don't make sense. And some are downright fraudulent. It's also a very good idea to pay attention to portion sizes. Some of the recent "low carb" snack chips, for example, are low carb only if you only eat a weighed "portion" which works out to of two or three chips--which is true of regular ones, too. I've also seen tiny muffins with a 11 gram carb count where the portion size is one half a muffin--or about one bite. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm "Mike" wrote in message ... Jenny, Can you use those calculation on any food to determine if fibre is subtracted or not? Kinda new to low carbing so I am ignorant at best. cheers, Mike "Jenny" wrote in message ... Stargazer, Based on the nutritional info you supplied for the bagels, the fiber has already been deducted and the true carb count is 18. You've been scammed.. If you multiply the given protein grams by 4 and the fat grams by 9 you get the number of non-carbohydrate calories accounted for. Subtract this from the total calories given, and you get the calories from carbs. If you divide the calories from carbs by 4 you get the grams of non-fiber carb. Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190, fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5) == 40.5 calories from fat protein 20g ==80 calories from protein Total non-carb calories 120.5. Carb calories (total 190 - total non-carb calories) =69.5 Carb grams (calories divided by 4) = 17.375. Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm "Stargazer" wrote in message ... My local Food World (grocery chain) started carrying these yesterday. I took a look at them, and was pleased by the nutrition label and ingredient list, so I bought some of the plain ones. Tried one last night, toasted and with butter - and liked it very much! They're softer than regular bagels, but still toast well. The claimed net carbs on them (7g) are true net carbs (total minus fiber, no sugar alcohols). 18g total and 11g fiber, so a good source of fiber (and for me a good occasional alternative to flaxseed and nuts as my primary dietary fiber sources - and with that much fiber, a built-in natural deterrent for any temptation I might have to eat more than one a day too, g). Cost was $5 for a pack of 6. Nutrition label info (for the plain variety): Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190, fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5), sodium 310mg, total carb 18g, fiber 11g, sugars 0g, protein 20g. Ingredients (for the plain): Water, wheat protein, enriched wheat flour, corn starch, inulin, wheat fiber, soybean oil, soy flour, yeast, salt, natural and artificial flavors, lecithin, citric acid, calcium propionate (preservative), cysteine, splenda, and cornmeal. |
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However, I'm a little confoozled by the formula. I went back and tried it on some foods in FitDay, and for some of them it was dead on (such as psyllium husk - the total carbs for those per cup serving is around 108g, with 96g of that being fiber - and the formula came out at 12g of carbs). However for other foods it didn't come out right - such as flax seed (which for one cup shows as around 53g total carbs, 24g fiber, and the formula makes it 43g carbs). For some baked goods, it came out very close (such as wheat bran bread), and for others it didn't (for French bread, the formula total actually came out higher than the total carbs listed, though only fractionally so). Even some fruits and veggies - broccoli came out pretty close by the formula (4.6g total, 2.6g fiber, 2.8g formula), avocado less so (10.79g total, 7.3g fiber, 5.5g by the formula). So I'm not sure why it works well on some foods and not on others, unless I'm also missing something. the 4-9-4 formula is only a rough estimate see http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...faq.html#4-9-4 For multi-ingredient foods which are listed by brand name, calorie values generally reflect industry practices of calculating calories from 4-9-4 kcal/g for protein, fat, and carbohydrate, respectively, or from 4-9-4 minus insoluble fiber. The latter method is frequently used for high-fiber foods because insoluble fiber is considered to provide no physiological energy. and http://www.dietsoftware.com/a****er.shtml look up a****er conversion factors Sid... |
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X,
What your missing is this: you can only subtract the fiber carbs from the total carbs if they haven't already been subtracted from the label by the manufacturer. That's because true fiber, though it is treated as a carb for labeling, has almost no calories. When you add up the calories that come from fat and protein and subtract them from the total, you end up with the number of calories that come from carbs. There are roughly 4 calories for every gram of DIGESTIBLE carb and 0 for every gram of fiber. So if a portion of food has 20 calories that come from carbohydrate, that means it has 5 grams of carbs and anywhere from 0 to 10 grams of fiber. If you see a food that has 20 calories not coming from fat and protein which claims it has 5 grams of carbs and 5 grams of fiber, you know that the fiber has already been deducted, because some real carbohydrate has to be contributing that 20 calories--fiber does not contribute calories. And since 1 gram of digestible carbohydrates contributes 4 calories you can always estimate the grams of real carbs by looking at the calories derived from carbohydrate. (Also, sugar alcohols contribute anywhere from 3 real calories of carbohydrate for a gram of maltitol, to less than 2 calories for Lacitol, to less than 1 calorie for Erythritol) -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm "X" wrote in message news On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:38:55 -0500, "Jenny" wrote: Stargazer, Based on the nutritional info you supplied for the bagels, the fiber has already been deducted and the true carb count is 18. You've been scammed.. If you multiply the given protein grams by 4 and the fat grams by 9 you get the number of non-carbohydrate calories accounted for. Subtract this from the total calories given, and you get the calories from carbs. If you divide the calories from carbs by 4 you get the grams of non-fiber carb. Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190, fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5) == 40.5 calories from fat protein 20g ==80 calories from protein Total non-carb calories 120.5. Carb calories (total 190 - total non-carb calories) =69.5 Carb grams (calories divided by 4) = 17.375. I thought you could subtract fiber from the carb count and get net carbs. 17.375 grams of carbs - 11 grams fiber = 6.375 net grams of carbs. or am I missing something. X |
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