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The Nitrate and Nitrite Myth: Another Reason not to Fear Bacon



 
 
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Old October 9th, 2012, 04:37 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Default The Nitrate and Nitrite Myth: Another Reason not to Fear Bacon

Dogman wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

To me the issue is like wheat or carbs or whatever. Few are willing to
do an organized eliminate-and-challenge system to figure out what
actually causes their problems. So they eliminate some class of foods,
get a benefit, and think the entire class was the problem. or they
eliminate some class of foods, get a benefit, and thank everyone will
get the same benefit.


Doug, if people automatically refrained from eating all the foods that
they MIGHT be sensitive to, they wouldn't have anything to eat. It
should be implied that no one should eat something that he or she is
actually sensitive or allergic to, but there's no reason beyond that
to avoid foods that contain nitrates and nitrites, for example, a fear
of cancer, heart attack, etc. In fact, doing so may actually be
counterproductive to one's health.


Paleolithic plans use rules that if anyone is intolerant of a food it's
to be avoided. The list of foods that remain is large. Each
paleolithic plan has slightly different rules resulting in slightly
different lists but the result is the same.

Atkins starts with a list of allowed foods. On that list are eggs and
dairy which are a major loophole to the principle of starting with foods
that have extremely low chance of having intolerance reactions.
Starting from the list of allowed foods for Induction ingredients are
supposed to be added one by one and tested in the
eliminate-and-challenge style. Few follow that part of the directions
but it does appear in the directions.
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Old October 9th, 2012, 06:26 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Default The Nitrate and Nitrite Myth: Another Reason not to Fear Bacon

On Oct 9, 12:28*pm, Dogman wrote:


Look, moron, everyone *should* want to have his or her lipids tested,
especially those of us who eat low-carb. [Conventional doctors are
just not attuned to this way of eating, or the effect it has on our
lipids.


The only problem is that no matter how you try to spin it now,
your comments were specific to testing for Carbquik, not about
lipid testing in general:

dogman:
"I'd be more interested in how wheat (which, let us not forget, is
what
CarbQuik is made from) affected my LDL particle levels, etc., which
can be easily measured. "


Trader4:
"Carbquik, which, like so many others here, I've been using for
years,
in moderation. Now I'm supposed to figure out how it effects not only
my blood
glucose, but now also my "LDL particles, etc".

dogman:
Only if you're smart!




Notice that I didn't say cholesterol.]


Notice that I didn't say you said cholesterol either.



And why are you always shilling for Carbquik? And drugs?


I've never been shilling for either.


Of course you are! In the same way that I'm "shilling" for Wheat
Belly.

Carbquik only came up
in the discussion


Just like Wheat Belly came up.


Do you see me making post after post with links to
a Carbquik website? You really are easily fascinated,
aren't you?




Yes, it might, if you test yourself properly. That's precisely why
diabetics HAVE to do it. But if more people (non-diabetics) would do
this testing from time to time, they'd never become a diabetic, etc.,
and would also protect themselves from CAD, heart attacks, stroke,
etc. That sounds like a pretty good idea to me. *How 'bout you?


Which is a completely seperate issue from testing specific
to Carbquik. You want it both ways. First you say we should
test to find out the BG response to those few Carbquik pancakes
a week. And we should test for lipid response to those Carbquik
pancakes too. Then when Doug suggests trial elimination of
foods to see if you have a sensitivity, you say no such thing
is required. Then it's back to testing for Carbquik.
So, which is it today?

And it's obviously pretty dumb to expect a lipid test to show
anything significant with regard to a few Carbquik pancakes
compared to the 99.9% of everything else that one eats and
which varies. As James pointed out, you'd have to do this
test MANY TIMES, to try to draw any meaningful conclusion.
And while doing it, you'd have to keep everything else in your
diet steady for weeks. Otherwise, how would you know that
your lipid test wasn't effected by the 6 alcoholic drinks you
had Sat, but didn't the last time you tested?

In short, it's one hell of a dumb idea. Especially from one
who preaches to us about "the scientific method".






Moron.

AIDS is caused by AIDS drugs


Absolutely!



But it's to be expected from the guy who has come to some
other remarkable conclusions, like the above.

nuff said.....

 




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