It's stopped working

I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost 7
pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few days. I
am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks.

My alcohol consumption has been almost nil compared to my usual six pints a
day plus a bottle of wine (too much I know). When I have partaken it's only
been a few glasses of white wine or Gin & slimline tonic and only for three
out of 21 days. I certainly haven't had a "bender" in the last three weeks -
for the first time in my adult life I've not even drank the maximum
recommended weekly amount of 21 alcohol units whereas I usually do that
daily!

So, putting alcohol mostly out of the way let's look at food:-

Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms. Cooked
on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little semi-skimmed
milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.

Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.

Dinner. Choice of Chicken breast/Salmon steak/Rump steak/Lean Chilli
Concarne without kidney beans, served with selection of mushrooms, green
beans, perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or Low Carb Penne
Pasta -
No bread, mashed potatoes, cakes, pies.
No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295 lbs so
surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working! would it?) .

Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total five cups
per day.

Water - three litres - maybe more, sipped throughout the day - I like it,
it's not a problem.

Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day plus
Gym - medium weights twice a week.

If I wasn't dieting I'd be taking more calories in total by alcohol and not
by food as I'd only eat musseli for breakfast, snack on wholemeal salad
sandwiches and fruit and eat lean meat with jacket potatoes & veg for dinner
(with regular 14" Pizzas).

So, very few carbs as recommended, less calories due to virtually no
alcohol, reasonable exercise yet fewer "healthy foods such as fruit, grains
& vegetables AND only 7lbs in 21 days.

HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast and
increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a Low-GI diet.

Any ideas please, I've lost 14lbs a month for three months before and the
only common factor seems to be cutting out the high fat & calories which is
not what Atkins etc is all about.

Mark.

I see food on here that isn't allowed in induction. review induction rules
again

--
Diane



"Mark & Ana Jones" wrote in message
...
I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost 7
pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few days.
I
am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks.

My alcohol consumption has been almost nil compared to my usual six pints
a
day plus a bottle of wine (too much I know). When I have partaken it's
only
been a few glasses of white wine or Gin & slimline tonic and only for
three
out of 21 days. I certainly haven't had a "bender" in the last three
weeks -
for the first time in my adult life I've not even drank the maximum
recommended weekly amount of 21 alcohol units whereas I usually do that
daily!

So, putting alcohol mostly out of the way let's look at food:-

Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms. Cooked
on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little semi-skimmed
milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.

Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.

Dinner. Choice of Chicken breast/Salmon steak/Rump steak/Lean Chilli
Concarne without kidney beans, served with selection of mushrooms, green
beans, perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or Low Carb Penne
Pasta -
No bread, mashed potatoes, cakes, pies.
No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295 lbs so
surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working! would it?) .

Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total five
cups
per day.

Water - three litres - maybe more, sipped throughout the day - I like it,
it's not a problem.

Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day plus
Gym - medium weights twice a week.

If I wasn't dieting I'd be taking more calories in total by alcohol and
not
by food as I'd only eat musseli for breakfast, snack on wholemeal salad
sandwiches and fruit and eat lean meat with jacket potatoes & veg for
dinner
(with regular 14" Pizzas).

So, very few carbs as recommended, less calories due to virtually no
alcohol, reasonable exercise yet fewer "healthy foods such as fruit,
grains
& vegetables AND only 7lbs in 21 days.

HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast and
increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a Low-GI diet.

Any ideas please, I've lost 14lbs a month for three months before and the
only common factor seems to be cutting out the high fat & calories which
is
not what Atkins etc is all about.

Mark.

diane wrote:
I see food on here that isn't allowed in induction. review induction
rules again


Please point it out and forgive my ignorance

Mark

Mark & Ana Jones wrote:
I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost 7
pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few
days. I am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks.

snipped parts for brevity

Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms.
Cooked on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little
semi-skimmed milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.

Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.

Dinner. Choice of Chicken breast/Salmon steak/Rump steak/Lean Chilli
Concarne without kidney beans, served with selection of mushrooms,
green beans, perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or Low
Carb Penne Pasta -
No bread, mashed potatoes, cakes, pies.
No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295
lbs so surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working!
would it?) .

Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total
five cups per day.

Water - three litres - maybe more, sipped throughout the day - I like
it, it's not a problem.

Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day
plus Gym - medium weights twice a week.

So, very few carbs as recommended, less calories due to virtually no
alcohol, reasonable exercise yet fewer "healthy foods such as fruit,
grains & vegetables AND only 7lbs in 21 days.

HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast
and increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a Low-GI
diet.

Any ideas please, I've lost 14lbs a month for three months before and
the only common factor seems to be cutting out the high fat &
calories which is not what Atkins etc is all about.

Atkins isn't about sugar, potatoes, pasta, or skimmed milk either especially
not on induction.

My suggestion is to get the book, read and follow it. In the meantime dump
the above and see if you start to lose. A good rule of thumb is that most of
your carbs should be coming from veggies.

"1. Potatoes and pasta are not low carb.
2. 7 lbs in three weeks is a good rate of weight loss.
3. Weight loss is difficult and not always can you expect stellar
progress
4. If you want to stay slim forever, you will have to diet forever,
so, rate of weight loss does not matter."

Well said. And alcohol isn't on the induction list either. Buy the
Atkins book, follow it, it works. But I think the biggest problem here
is unreasonable expectations. Losing 7Lbs in 3 weeks is a decent
start. IMO, those that have the strongest desire to have it come off
quickly have the idea that once they lose the weight, they can go back
to their old ways of eating, which is why they wind up failing.

"Mark & Ana Jones" wrote in message

|| I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost
|| 7 pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a
|| few days. I am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks.
||
|| My alcohol consumption has been almost nil compared to my usual six
|| pints a day plus a bottle of wine (too much I know). When I have
|| partaken it's only been a few glasses of white wine or Gin &
|| slimline tonic and only for three out of 21 days. I certainly
|| haven't had a "bender" in the last three weeks - for the first time
|| in my adult life I've not even drank the maximum recommended weekly
|| amount of 21 alcohol units whereas I usually do that daily!
||
|| So, putting alcohol mostly out of the way let's look at food:-
||
|| Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms.
|| Cooked on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little
|| semi-skimmed milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.
||
|| Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.
||
|| Dinner. Choice of Chicken breast/Salmon steak/Rump steak/Lean Chilli
|| Concarne without kidney beans, served with selection of mushrooms,
|| green beans, perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or
|| Low Carb Penne Pasta -
|| No bread, mashed potatoes, cakes, pies.
|| No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295
|| lbs so surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working!
|| would it?) .
||
|| Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total
|| five cups per day.
||
|| Water - three litres - maybe more, sipped throughout the day - I
|| like it, it's not a problem.
||
|| Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day
|| plus Gym - medium weights twice a week.
||
|| If I wasn't dieting I'd be taking more calories in total by alcohol
|| and not by food as I'd only eat musseli for breakfast, snack on
|| wholemeal salad sandwiches and fruit and eat lean meat with jacket
|| potatoes & veg for dinner (with regular 14" Pizzas).
||
|| So, very few carbs as recommended, less calories due to virtually no
|| alcohol, reasonable exercise yet fewer "healthy foods such as fruit,
|| grains & vegetables AND only 7lbs in 21 days.
||
|| HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast
|| and increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a
|| Low-GI diet.
||
|| Any ideas please, I've lost 14lbs a month for three months before
|| and the only common factor seems to be cutting out the high fat &
|| calories which is not what Atkins etc is all about.
||
|| Mark.

What plan are you following? Not Atkins according to the foods you list that
you're eating that are on induction:

- ketchup
- alcohol
- kidney beans
- skim milk

and not eating foods like
- potatoes and
- pasta and
- sugar
is the whole point of Atkins; these are extremely high carbohydrate foods.
It's about avoiding carbs, not fat. Sounds as if you're trying to do more
of a weight watcher's diet.

--
Peter
270/219/180
website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

"Mark & Ana Jones" wrote in
:

No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day

I don't think that's possible given what you've listed. None of these
things are allowed on Atkins induction:

ketchup
brown sauce
wine
red potatoes
pasta of any kind
sugar
semiskimmed milk
Rivita (are these crackers/biscuits?)

According to your 7-pound weight loss, you've done an admirable job of
cutting out enough things to make a difference in your weight.

However, you haven't been following the induction phase of Atkins, which
forbids all that stuff in order to break dependence on them. (Something
that can't be accomplished if, for example, you're still putting sugar in
your coffee.) If that's what you mean to do, you should get a copy of the
book or look at www.atkins.com and get the list of what's allowed.

Cate

Sorry Mark.

You have NOT been on Induction. Induction is not JUST keeping carbs
low but keeping away from sugar and starches pretty much entirely.
Please grab your copy of Atkins (you DO have a copy, right?) and
re-read the Induction chapter. Otherwise, look at
http://atkins.com/Archive/2004/12/27-833156.html read it thoroughly
and then click through the link to acceptable Induction foods. If
it's not on the Induction list DO NOT EAT IT for two weeks.

Period.

End of story.

Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms. Cooked
on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little semi-skimmed
milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.

semi-skimmed milk has more than 11g of carb per cup. If you're
drinking half a cup of milk per day in your tea and eggs, there's 5
1/2 grams right there.

Do the sausages have cereal based fillers in them? There could be
several more grams right there - and how big a dollop of ketchup is
that? Most of them include sugars, too. Standard ketchup is around
4g per tablespoon.

Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.

Ryevita crispbread - if they are the same as the ones friends use here
(I don't like them) you're looking at about 5g EACH. So there's
another 15 g, BEFORE you add the sugars in the mayo or cheese.
Philadelphia light cheese is also comparatively carby at 7g per 100g
weight (about 4 oz). Full-fat cream cheese is only 2 1/2 g per 100g.

Dinner. Choice of Chicken breast/Salmon steak/Rump steak/Lean Chilli
Concarne without kidney beans, served with selection of mushrooms, green
beans, perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or Low Carb Penne
Pasta -

Potatoes are IMMMENSELY carby. 100g weight of boiled potato (about a
2" diameter sphere) has over **20** g of carbohydrate! If you're
having this for dinner most nights, you're well over your 20g per day.
Pasta of any kind is NOT on the Induction list. Yes, this includes
the low-carb type.

Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total five cups
per day.

so - 1g per cup of tea or coffee (yes, it has carbs freshly brewed
before you add the sweetening and lightening stuff) plus almost 2
teaspoons of sugar (taken over the whole day) and you're looking at
another 11g of carb BEFORE you add in the milk. DON'T USE SUGAR. If
you must sweeten your tea, use an artificial sweetener such as Equal
(if you can tolerate it - I can't but many report good results with
it) Splenda, saccharine or whatever you please. Sugar is NOT an
option, even in small quantities. Possibly later you might find you
can use it, but not for Induction.

By my estimate, you're taking in more like 50g of carb than your
estimate of 25g or thereabouts. This in and of itself could be the
reason you're not seeing huge weight reduction in the initial period.

Aramanth

"Mark & Ana Jones" writes:
Been on induction for three weeks

Most people have a short stall at 3 weeks. It's normal.

and only lost 7 pounds

That's average.

I am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks.

No, the first two weeks is just water weight, which is largely
proportional to muscle and liver size, not body fat. Starting at week
5 or so you should see regular loss due to body fat.

My alcohol consumption has been almost nil

For Induction, it should be exactly nil. You *are* counting the carbs
in your alcoholic drinks, right?

Two scrambled eggs with a little semi-skimmed
milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.

Neither milk nor ketchup/brown sauce are allowed on Induction. Use
heavy cream and mustard instead.

Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.

I assume "tunamayo" is tuna with mayo, which is fine. "Philadelpha
light" is cream cheese? If so, don't use the light, use the full fat
version. If Rivita is Ryvita - crisp bread - it's not allowed on
Induction.

Chilli Concarne

"Concarne" means "over rice". Rice is not allowed.

perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or Low Carb Penne
Pasta -

Neither of these is allowed.

No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295
lbs so surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working!
would it?) .

Yes, it might. 20g - no more - for Induction. You can go up to 25
(and should, until you find your CCLL) once you're on OWL. Half your
carbs should come from fibrous (salad) vegetables, the other half from
sources like cheese, eggs, and other mostly-fat-and-protein foods.

Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total five cups
per day.

Neither milk nor sugar are allowed.

Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day plus
Gym - medium weights twice a week.

Excellent!

So, very few carbs as recommended,

Not few enough, and from the wrong sources.

less calories due to virtually no alcohol,

There are no calorie limits on Induction. You shouldn't be trying to
reduce calories yet, just don't eat unless you're hungry, that's all.
Plus eat ONLY what's on the food list.

yet fewer "healthy foods such as fruit, grains & vegetables

You should be eating MORE vegetables than you are. You're wasting
your carb limit on crap like milk, sugar, and potatoes. Fruit is
allowed on week 3, and is the recommended way to work towards your
CCLL.

AND only 7lbs in 21 days.

It takes me months to lose that much.

HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast
and increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a
Low-GI diet.

Protein, not grains, increases your metabolism.

Any ideas please, I've lost 14lbs a month for three months before
and the only common factor seems to be cutting out the high fat &
calories which is not what Atkins etc is all about.

Ah, the primal misconception - Atkins is about cutting calories, but
ONLY after you've fully switched to LC. You have to do it right, or
it won't work. After Induction - done right - you just won't be as
hungry as you were before, and letting your hunger be your guide
provides you just the right amount of calories for long term loss.

During OWL, stick to smaller meals, but eat them more often as your
hunger dictates. That should maximize your metabolism without the
hunger swings that high carb diets cause.

Switch to weight watchers and AA.

Mark & Ana Jones wrote:
:: I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost
:: 7 pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a
:: few days. I am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks.
::
:: My alcohol consumption has been almost nil compared to my usual six
:: pints a day plus a bottle of wine (too much I know). When I have
:: partaken it's only been a few glasses of white wine or Gin &
:: slimline tonic and only for three out of 21 days. I certainly
:: haven't had a "bender" in the last three weeks - for the first time
:: in my adult life I've not even drank the maximum recommended weekly
:: amount of 21 alcohol units whereas I usually do that daily!
::
:: So, putting alcohol mostly out of the way let's look at food:-
::
:: Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms.
:: Cooked on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little
:: semi-skimmed milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.
::
:: Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.
::
:: Dinner. Choice of Chicken breast/Salmon steak/Rump steak/Lean Chilli
:: Concarne without kidney beans, served with selection of mushrooms,
:: green beans, perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or
:: Low Carb Penne Pasta -
:: No bread, mashed potatoes, cakes, pies.
:: No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295
:: lbs so surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working!
:: would it?) .
::
:: Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total
:: five cups per day.
::
:: Water - three litres - maybe more, sipped throughout the day - I
:: like it, it's not a problem.
::
:: Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day
:: plus Gym - medium weights twice a week.
::
:: If I wasn't dieting I'd be taking more calories in total by alcohol
:: and not by food as I'd only eat musseli for breakfast, snack on
:: wholemeal salad sandwiches and fruit and eat lean meat with jacket
:: potatoes & veg for dinner (with regular 14" Pizzas).
::
:: So, very few carbs as recommended, less calories due to virtually no
:: alcohol, reasonable exercise yet fewer "healthy foods such as fruit,
:: grains & vegetables AND only 7lbs in 21 days.
::
:: HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast
:: and increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a
:: Low-GI diet.
::
:: Any ideas please, I've lost 14lbs a month for three months before
:: and the only common factor seems to be cutting out the high fat &
:: calories which is not what Atkins etc is all about.
::
:: Mark.