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liquid diets?? Medifast, Optifast, HMR, etc...
I have another question. What is it about liquid diets that make them work? Is
it the fact that they are all liquid? What is the magic here? I guess what I really want to know is: for those who have been on medifast, hmr, optifast, etc - do you think someone could do the same thing with all protein shakes like EAS or ISOPURE or a combo of protein shakes as opposed to doing a structured plan like medifast, optifast, etc? Why or why not? Thanks Apple |
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Hi, I appreciate your post but that isn't what I asked - I am not asking if I
should go on a liquid diet, only if regular protein shakes would work the same as a structured liquid fast... :-) |
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p.s. don't only 5-10 percent of us keep the weight off from ANY diet anyhow?
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RedRipeApple wrote:
p.s. don't only 5-10 percent of us keep the weight off from ANY diet anyhow? Funny you should ask that. No. That stat is wrong for lots of reasons. Look at it this way: if you try 10 diets and fail at nine of them before you finally work out all the kinks and change forever, then you've had a 90% failure rate at dieting. It only takes one success. People debate whether liquid diets have any value in kick-starting a weight loss regimen. I really don't think they do. The people who used them have all the exact same struggles as the people who don't use them, they just pay more money and have some harder psychological issues associated with having to DEFEND a weight loss in public rather than ACHIEVE a weight loss in anonymity. (Look at it this way: if you eat at maintenance for a 250 pound person for a week then you won't lose any weight that week if you weigh 250 pounds. But if you weigh 200 pounds then you'd GAIN that week. It's the same week, the same struggles to relearn how to eat... except now you have to struggle in front of people who NOTICE that you've gained.) Also, rapid weight loss has some deleterious affects. Take my word for it. You've got to learn how to feed your body and exercise for the rest of your life if you want to lose weight and keep it off. If you're not willing to do that then don't bother messing around with a liquid diet. Dally |
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RedRipeApple wrote:
I have another question. What is it about liquid diets that make them work? Low calories. Is it the fact that they are all liquid? No. What is the magic here? Enforced portion control. Removing the choice on how to feed yourself from you. Reduced calories. I guess what I really want to know is: for those who have been on medifast, hmr, optifast, etc - do you think someone could do the same thing with all protein shakes like EAS or ISOPURE or a combo of protein shakes as opposed to doing a structured plan like medifast, optifast, etc? Why or why not? What you're buying with Meifast/Optifast is a nutrtionist designing the nutrient make-up as well as medical supervision in case the nutritionist is wrong. If you are so incapable of making good food choices that you got fat, why do you suddenly think you're knowledgable enough as a nutritionist now to design an unbalanced diet for yourself? Especially WITHOUT doctor supervision. No, the worst thing about liquid diets is that you're putting off learning how to eat for the rest of your life. There's no advantage in doing that, and especially no advantage in doing it dangerously. With that said, I often enjoy a Myoplex Lite protein shake as part of my planned meals/snacks. But it doesn't have enough fiber or phytonutrients in it to be a mainstay. Dally 244/171/165 |
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RedRipeApple wrote: I have another question. What is it about liquid diets that make them work? Is it the fact that they are all liquid? What is the magic here? There is no magic, it's calories in/calories out. Liquid diets are VLCD (very low calorie diets) that are between 500-800 cal/day. I guess what I really want to know is: for those who have been on medifast, hmr, optifast, etc - do you think someone could do the same thing with all protein shakes like EAS or ISOPURE or a combo of protein shakes as opposed to doing a structured plan like medifast, optifast, etc? Why or why not? Thanks Apple Let me start by saying I did HMR so I am speaking from actual experience. - NO you can't do the same thing with all protein shakes if you plan on having nutritional balance or VLCD. You need to be under a doctor's supervision to go that low. There are a ton of things that can go wrong. I was completely monitored with weekly checkups and monthly bloodwork and I *still* had medical problems. There were things that existed prior to the diet that I wasn't aware of and then there was effects of the diet. - You don't do a VLCD unless your BMI is 40+ or it is 30+ with some compelling medical issue that requires you to lose weight quickly. I was 40+ BMI to start and had been unsuccessful doing things the "old fashioned" way for 25 years. For me, it was this or surgery. - Liquid diets are not a quick fix. They require a lot of discipline and dedication to the program and to *maintenance*. Going to the classes helps you learn about how to eat right but until you are in the maintenance phase, you don't actually *practice* it. I've been successful at keeping the majority of my weight off so far, but it was rather difficult. Fine, I had medical problems that added to the difficulty, but once it was dealt with it still took a lot of work on my part, and still does. There are people who were in my program that gained everything back right away, people like me who have kept the bulk of it off, and even people who have not gained anything back, just like any old diet. I'm always willing to discuss this freely in email. I don't post a lot of specifics publicly because of privacy issues and a person who abuses personal information by twisting facts and trying to use them as a weapon. Jenn |
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"RedRipeApple" wrote in message ... I have another question. What is it about liquid diets that make them work? Is it the fact that they are all liquid? What is the magic here? I guess what I really want to know is: for those who have been on medifast, hmr, optifast, etc - do you think someone could do the same thing with all protein shakes like EAS or ISOPURE or a combo of protein shakes as opposed to doing a structured plan like medifast, optifast, etc? Why or why not? Thanks Apple They don't work. Not permanently. To be healthy and keep the weight off permanently, you have to exercise and eat healthy. |
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"RedRipeApple" wrote in message ... Hi, I appreciate your post but that isn't what I asked - I am not asking if I should go on a liquid diet, only if regular protein shakes would work the same as a structured liquid fast... :-) Yes -- BADLY. |
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"Ignoramus14916" wrote in message ... On 03 Nov 2004 15:28:55 GMT, RedRipeApple wrote: I have another question. What is it about liquid diets that make them work? Is it the fact that they are all liquid? What is the magic here? I guess what I really want to know is: for those who have been on medifast, hmr, optifast, etc - do you think someone could do the same thing with all protein shakes like EAS or ISOPURE or a combo of protein shakes as opposed to doing a structured plan like medifast, optifast, etc? Why or why not? Thanks Apple They do not work very well. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=3360564 ``Outcome analysis revealed that 25 percent of patients were unable to adapt to this approach, dropping out within the first 3 weeks. Of the patients remaining in the program, 68 percent lost considerable weight, but did not reach their goal; of this group, recidivism was extremely high, with only 5-10 percent maintaining weight loss after 18 months. Thirty-two percent of the patients successfully attained goal weight; the holding rate of this group has been considerably greater, with 30 percent of women and 58 percent of men maintaining weight loss (within 10 lbs) for a minimum of 18 months.'' I would not call "only 5-10 percent maintaining weight loss after 18 months" to be working very well. Diets, in general, do not work very well and liquid diets are not an exception. Which is not to say that you should not be dieting, but it helps to use hard data to make decisions like whether to spend a lot of money on a liquid diet. That said, if you drop some weight and keep it off, even if you do not reach goal, you'd be better off than if you did not do that. Numerous people -- the minority of dieters -- do lose weight on all kinds of diets, low fat, low carb, low calorie, liquid diets, etc, and keep it off. The key is finding the diet that fits your situation best, and realize that dieting should not be temporary. -- 223/172.5/180 Why didn't you post the entire article? You left off the parts that suggest the VLCD approach provides a reasonable success rate for achieving and maintaining weight loss. Here's the positive side from the website. Go to it and read the entire article for yourself, Apple. There are good sides to this type of diet, too. This type of diet probably has just a good success rate as anyother diet as long as you stick with it and follow directionsg Here's some of the positives from the article: Complications of obesity i.e. hypertension, type II diabetes mellitus, and hyperlipidemias were remarkably improved after weight loss. Complications of the VLCD including cardiac abnormalities, were minimal. Our 8-year experience strongly suggests that the VLCD approach using high quality protein supplement and multi-disciplinary counselling provides a reasonable success rate for achieving and maintaining weight loss in the morbidity obese population. PMID: 3360564 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Beverly |
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Beverly wrote: "Ignoramus14916" wrote in message ... On 03 Nov 2004 15:28:55 GMT, RedRipeApple wrote: I have another question. What is it about liquid diets that make them work? Is it the fact that they are all liquid? What is the magic here? I guess what I really want to know is: for those who have been on medifast, hmr, optifast, etc - do you think someone could do the same thing with all protein shakes like EAS or ISOPURE or a combo of protein shakes as opposed to doing a structured plan like medifast, optifast, etc? Why or why not? Thanks Apple They do not work very well. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=3360564 ``Outcome analysis revealed that 25 percent of patients were unable to adapt to this approach, dropping out within the first 3 weeks. Of the patients remaining in the program, 68 percent lost considerable weight, but did not reach their goal; of this group, recidivism was extremely high, with only 5-10 percent maintaining weight loss after 18 months. Thirty-two percent of the patients successfully attained goal weight; the holding rate of this group has been considerably greater, with 30 percent of women and 58 percent of men maintaining weight loss (within 10 lbs) for a minimum of 18 months.'' I would not call "only 5-10 percent maintaining weight loss after 18 months" to be working very well. Diets, in general, do not work very well and liquid diets are not an exception. Which is not to say that you should not be dieting, but it helps to use hard data to make decisions like whether to spend a lot of money on a liquid diet. That said, if you drop some weight and keep it off, even if you do not reach goal, you'd be better off than if you did not do that. Numerous people -- the minority of dieters -- do lose weight on all kinds of diets, low fat, low carb, low calorie, liquid diets, etc, and keep it off. The key is finding the diet that fits your situation best, and realize that dieting should not be temporary. -- 223/172.5/180 Why didn't you post the entire article? You left off the parts that suggest the VLCD approach provides a reasonable success rate for achieving and maintaining weight loss. We know the answer to that question really, now. He makes a habit of conveniently snipping text and taking information out of context to support his POV, regardless of the facts - but then he calls me a liar for making a .6 math error. Yes, someone definitely has trouble with reality around here and it's not me. If Bicker were to post, he'd shut his trap again but since he knows I did HMR too, he has to slam it every chance he gets. Here's the positive side from the website. Go to it and read the entire article for yourself, Apple. There are good sides to this type of diet, too. This type of diet probably has just a good success rate as anyother diet as long as you stick with it and follow directionsg Here's some of the positives from the article: Complications of obesity i.e. hypertension, type II diabetes mellitus, and hyperlipidemias were remarkably improved after weight loss. Complications of the VLCD including cardiac abnormalities, were minimal. Our 8-year experience strongly suggests that the VLCD approach using high quality protein supplement and multi-disciplinary counselling provides a reasonable success rate for achieving and maintaining weight loss in the morbidity obese population. PMID: 3360564 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Beverly Thanks for bringing up the facts. Jenn |
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