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New No Carb Sweetener on the Market......
I see what you're saying but I guess I don't know why something that is
plant based and is sweet would have a cool mouth feel to it..........mint I could see but usually only processed substances have that, at least in my experience. Carol j "UsenetID" wrote in message ... "Carol J" wrote in message . .. This new product has a cool mouth feel to it too, and that actually puts me off of it a bit but not sure why......I guess cuz sugar doesn't do that so wondering if it's so natural, why would it cause that effect.........any opinions? Natural substances taste different than other natural substances is my guess. Don't know why a cool mouth feel would cause suspicion, just because sugar doesn't do it? Maybe I'm reading your post wrong...but I don't expect anything to taste exactly like sugar, except sugar. -- His, Shrinkin' Sherry lowcarb.owly.net |
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New No Carb Sweetener on the Market......
"Susan" wrote in message ... It's not about tasting exactly like sugar, the cooling effect (I get it if I use erythritol in creaming things) is creepy and ruins the whole eating experience. I actually like that cool feeling - just a matter of taste I guess . But I don't bake that often these days, mostly I put it on my hot cereal or in my chocolate bark candy. -- Sherry lowcarb.owly.net |
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New No Carb Sweetener on the Market......
Sherry, I have been reading that xylitol kills dogs. Causes liver failure I believe. On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:26:22 -0400, "UsenetID" wrote: "Carol J" wrote in message ... .......something called "Swerve"........anyone have any experience with it? A lady from a new local organic cafe type place. They specialize in protein smoothies, they sell products and they are a restaurant....anyways, she passed around samples of this new product and it really tasted good I thought. Pricy, a lb bag is about $13. but for herbal tea I think it would be great. But as always, any new products on the market, I am leery about. Carol J I googled it. Most of their claims sound similar to xylitol (beneficial bacteria, all natural from plant sources). There are quite a few websites about it. Googling Zeratol, their trademarked product brand, came up with nothing. This is the first I've heard of it. Kinda pricy (I pay half again as much for a 5# bucket of xylitol - and get a great bucket in the bargain G) but if it's 0g carbs it might be worth it for some things? I'd try it...especially if their claim of no intestinal discomfort is true... |
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New No Carb Sweetener on the Market......
"Deke" wrote in message ... Sherry, I have been reading that xylitol kills dogs. Causes liver failure I believe. I've read that also, we are very careful with our 3 dogs (and cat) and anything with xylitol in it. It makes me wonder about the difference between xylitol and the other SA's that, presumably, don't kill dogs? And, interestingly enough, my mother's dog's name is Deke . He's a splendid little fellow... -- Sherry lowcarb.owly.net |
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New No Carb Sweetener on the Market......
Deke wrote:
Sherry, I have been reading that xylitol kills dogs. Causes liver failure I believe. Sounds like another one of those "internet rumors" that circulate wildly, get repeated endlessly, and swamp the search engines overpowering valid and dull data that doesn't get repeated for the thrill of it and the fear of it. Science is boring, rumors are real fun. ================================================== ==================== http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007...d-to-blog.html XYLITOL KILLS DOGS ????????????? Jordan McCollum Says: March 6th, 2007 at 10:16 am SNIP “An example: have you seen news coverage stating that xylitol kills dogs? Guess what—it doesn’t. There is scant anecdotal evidence of xylitol’s negative effects—including cases where dogs that ate huge amounts of gum and chocolate with their xylitol. The truth is, there have been studies done for decades, and even feeding dogs a diet of 20% xylitol over two years didn’t kill them (ref). “You can’t find anything exonerating xylitol until page three of Google SERPs for ‘xylitol dog.’ Disclosu my husband works for a xylitol company. Imagine if they had a blog that customers, potential customers and the media read could find easily. A blog post exposing a popular myth—why, that sounds like textbook linkbait. A press release? Probably not. Without a blog, they’ll have to wait until Snopes covers it—and even then, it’s too late now [months and months after the urban legend has been covered by mainstream media] to even begin to undo the damage already done to their product image.” My husband’s employer did release a press release within days of the mainstream media stories. It’s even lower in the SERPs than the dense research exonerating xylitol cited above. If they had a blog, I maintain that they could much more easily, adeptly and appropriately address consumers’ (and pet owners’) fears in a place and a way that customers (and media) would actually read. |
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New No Carb Sweetener on the Market......
"Jbuch" wrote in message
... Sounds like another one of those "internet rumors" that circulate wildly, get repeated endlessly, and swamp the search engines overpowering valid and dull data that doesn't get repeated for the thrill of it and the fear of it. Science is boring, rumors are real fun. ================================================== ==================== http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2007...d-to-blog.html XYLITOL KILLS DOGS ????????????? Jordan McCollum Says: March 6th, 2007 at 10:16 am SNIP “An example: have you seen news coverage stating that xylitol kills dogs? Guess what—it doesn’t. There is scant anecdotal evidence of xylitol’s negative effects—including cases where dogs that ate huge amounts of gum and chocolate with their xylitol. The truth is, there have been studies done for decades, and even feeding dogs a diet of 20% xylitol over two years didn’t kill them (ref). “You can’t find anything exonerating xylitol until page three of Google SERPs for ‘xylitol dog.’ Disclosu my husband works for a xylitol company. Imagine if they had a blog that customers, potential customers and the media read could find easily. A blog post exposing a popular myth—why, that sounds like textbook linkbait. A press release? Probably not. Without a blog, they’ll have to wait until Snopes covers it—and even then, it’s too late now [months and months after the urban legend has been covered by mainstream media] to even begin to undo the damage already done to their product image.” My husband’s employer did release a press release within days of the mainstream media stories. It’s even lower in the SERPs than the dense research exonerating xylitol cited above. If they had a blog, I maintain that they could much more easily, adeptly and appropriately address consumers’ (and pet owners’) fears in a place and a way that customers (and media) would actually read. My information came from the AVMA, one would think their professionals wouldn't base their findings and warnings on internet rumors. I don't know who marketingpilgrim.com is, I'm familiar with the American Veterinary Medical Association. Anyone can search their site (www.avma.org) and read their array of literature (Journal of the AVMA articles on site, with cites) and obviously choose which expert opinion has more meaning for their own pets. -- Sherry lowcarb.owly.net |
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New No Carb Sweetener on the Market......
Deke wrote:
Sherry, I have been reading that xylitol kills dogs. Causes liver failure I believe. ================================ Clinical Relevance—Although xylitol causes hypoglycemia in dogs, hepatic failure after ingestion has not previously been reported. Note that there is no statement of how much Xylitol was ingested per dog. So, the deadliness of this stuff remains unknown. Abstract Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association October 1, 2006, Vol. 229, No. 7, Pages 1113-1117 doi: 10.2460/javma.229.7.1113 Acute hepatic failure and coagulopathy associated with xylitol ingestion in eight dogs Eric K. Dunayer, MS, VMD; Sharon M. Gwaltney-Brant, DVM, PhD, DABVT American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Animal Poison Control Center, 1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL 61802-6044. (Dunayer, Gwaltney-Brant) Address correspondence to Dr. Dunayer. Case Description—8 adult dogs were evaluated for treatment of lethargy and vomiting after ingestion of xylitol, a sugar alcohol used as a sweetener in various products. Clinical Findings—In addition to vomiting and lethargy, 5 of the dogs had widespread petechial, ecchymotic, or gastrointestinal tract hemorrhages. Common clinicopathologic findings included moderately to severely high serum activities of liver enzymes, hyperbilirubinemia, hypoglycemia, hyperphosphatemia, prolonged clotting times, and thrombocytopenia. Necropsies were performed on 3 dogs and severe hepatic necrosis was found in 2. In the third dog, histologic examination revealed severe hepatocyte loss or atrophy with lobular collapse. Treatment and Outcome—Treatments varied among dogs and included IV administration of fluids; plasma transfusions; and, if indicated, administration of dextrose. Three dogs were euthanatized, 2 dogs died, 2 dogs made a complete recovery, and 1 dog was recovering but was lost to follow-up. Clinical Relevance—Although xylitol causes hypoglycemia in dogs, hepatic failure after ingestion has not previously been reported. Because an increasing number of consumer products contain xylitol, clinicians should be aware that ingestion of xylitol can have serious, life-threatening effects. |
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New No Carb Sweetener on the Market......
UsenetID wrote:
My information came from the AVMA, one would think their professionals wouldn't base their findings and warnings on internet rumors. I don't know who marketingpilgrim.com is, I'm familiar with the American Veterinary Medical Association. Anyone can search their site (www.avma.org) and read their array of literature (Journal of the AVMA articles on site, with cites) and obviously choose which expert opinion has more meaning for their own pets. The abstract of the article in question is posted in a parallel thread. I did check the expert opinion. Here is what the paper itself is supposed to describe -- also from the AVMA website. From their October 1, 2006 issue. The authors did a dabase search - they didn't personally treat any of these dogs said to be suffering from Xylitol exposure. The data are national and span the years 2003 to 2005. The number of dogs reported to suffer from xylitol exposure is growing from just 70 in 2004 to 170 in 2005..... I wonder how many dogs suffer from chocolate exposure and how many fatalities there are. Do you know? Dogs can't digest stuff harmless to humans. But too many owners do feed doggies special treats like sugar, chocolate, and many other "treats". Cats are smarter and won't eat sugar. "The fact that xylitol-containing products can cause problems in dogs is a relatively new find," Dr. Gwaltney-Brant said, explaining that the sweetener had already been tied to low blood sugar in dogs—but not liver failure. "Once you start looking at something, you see a lot more of it." --------------------------------------- In the report, Drs. Dunayer and Gwaltney-Brant, staff members at the Animal Poison Control Center of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in Urbana, Illinois, used the Control Center's data base to gather information on eight dogs that were treated between 2003 and 2005 after eating products containing xylitol. Each dog became ill, and while three of the dogs survived, five of the pets either died or had to be euthanized because of liver failure possibly stemming from xylitol ingestion. Dr. Gwaltney-Brant said three additional dogs that ingested xylitol after the study was conducted either died or had to be euthanized after becoming ill. All three, Dr. Gwaltney-Brant said, had liver failure. Dr. Gwaltney-Brant described the potential negative xylitol effects on dogs as a "species difference." "People only absorb a certain percentage of xylitol," she said. "The human body doesn't even notice it. However, in dogs, xylitol triggers significant insulin release, which drops the blood sugar. It is definitely a species difference. People aren't in danger from sugar-free gum containing xylitol; dogs are." The number of xylitol-related pet exposures is on the rise, according to Dr. Gwaltney-Brant, partly because of increased awareness, but more so because xylitol is being used in more products. The incidence of reported xylitol exposures climbed from 70 in 2004 to 170 in 2005. As of August, the Poison Control Center reported 114 cases of xylitol exposure this year. "This is the tip of the iceberg now," she said. "Anything that is sugar-free could potentially have substituted xylitol for the original sweetener." The extent of xylitol's potential effects on the liver are new—and certainly not good news—for dogs, their owners and veterinarians. "The fact that xylitol-containing products can cause problems in dogs is a relatively new find," Dr. Gwaltney-Brant said, explaining that the sweetener had already been tied to low blood sugar in dogs—but not liver failure. "Once you start looking at something, you see a lot more of it." |
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New No Carb Sweetener on the Market......
"Jbuch" wrote in message ... The abstract of the article in question is posted in a parallel thread. I did check the expert opinion. Here is what the paper itself is supposed to describe -- also from the AVMA website. From their October 1, 2006 issue. The authors did a dabase search - they didn't personally treat any of these dogs said to be suffering from Xylitol exposure. The data are national and span the years 2003 to 2005. The number of dogs reported to suffer from xylitol exposure is growing from just 70 in 2004 to 170 in 2005..... I wonder how many dogs suffer from chocolate exposure and how many fatalities there are. Do you know? Dogs can't digest stuff harmless to humans. But too many owners do feed doggies special treats like sugar, chocolate, and many other "treats". Cats are smarter and won't eat sugar. "The fact that xylitol-containing products can cause problems in dogs is a relatively new find," Dr. Gwaltney-Brant said, explaining that the sweetener had already been tied to low blood sugar in dogs—but not liver failure. "Once you start looking at something, you see a lot more of it." --------------------------------------- In the report, Drs. Dunayer and Gwaltney-Brant, staff members at the Animal Poison Control Center of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in Urbana, Illinois, used the Control Center's data base to gather information on eight dogs that were treated between 2003 and 2005 after eating products containing xylitol. Each dog became ill, and while three of the dogs survived, five of the pets either died or had to be euthanized because of liver failure possibly stemming from xylitol ingestion. Dr. Gwaltney-Brant said three additional dogs that ingested xylitol after the study was conducted either died or had to be euthanized after becoming ill. All three, Dr. Gwaltney-Brant said, had liver failure. Dr. Gwaltney-Brant described the potential negative xylitol effects on dogs as a "species difference." "People only absorb a certain percentage of xylitol," she said. "The human body doesn't even notice it. However, in dogs, xylitol triggers significant insulin release, which drops the blood sugar. It is definitely a species difference. People aren't in danger from sugar-free gum containing xylitol; dogs are." The number of xylitol-related pet exposures is on the rise, according to Dr. Gwaltney-Brant, partly because of increased awareness, but more so because xylitol is being used in more products. The incidence of reported xylitol exposures climbed from 70 in 2004 to 170 in 2005. As of August, the Poison Control Center reported 114 cases of xylitol exposure this year. "This is the tip of the iceberg now," she said. "Anything that is sugar-free could potentially have substituted xylitol for the original sweetener." The extent of xylitol's potential effects on the liver are new—and certainly not good news—for dogs, their owners and veterinarians. "The fact that xylitol-containing products can cause problems in dogs is a relatively new find," Dr. Gwaltney-Brant said, explaining that the sweetener had already been tied to low blood sugar in dogs—but not liver failure. "Once you start looking at something, you see a lot more of it." Yeah, that's what I was talking about...so I still wonder, why xylitol and not other SA's... Something else interesting...http://www.ivis.org/proceedings/navc...A/005.asp?LA=1 briefly mentions the use of xylitol in treating bovine ketosis. Just as an aside . -- Sherry lowcarb.owly.net |
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New No Carb Sweetener on the Market......
UsenetID wrote:
"Jbuch" wrote in message ... The abstract of the article in question is posted in a parallel thread. I did check the expert opinion. Here is what the paper itself is supposed to describe -- also from the AVMA website. From their October 1, 2006 issue. The authors did a dabase search - they didn't personally treat any of these dogs said to be suffering from Xylitol exposure. The data are national and span the years 2003 to 2005. The number of dogs reported to suffer from xylitol exposure is growing from just 70 in 2004 to 170 in 2005..... I wonder how many dogs suffer from chocolate exposure and how many fatalities there are. Do you know? Dogs can't digest stuff harmless to humans. But too many owners do feed doggies special treats like sugar, chocolate, and many other "treats". Cats are smarter and won't eat sugar. "The fact that xylitol-containing products can cause problems in dogs is a relatively new find," Dr. Gwaltney-Brant said, explaining that the sweetener had already been tied to low blood sugar in dogs—but not liver failure. "Once you start looking at something, you see a lot more of it." --------------------------------------- In the report, Drs. Dunayer and Gwaltney-Brant, staff members at the Animal Poison Control Center of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in Urbana, Illinois, used the Control Center's data base to gather information on eight dogs that were treated between 2003 and 2005 after eating products containing xylitol. Each dog became ill, and while three of the dogs survived, five of the pets either died or had to be euthanized because of liver failure possibly stemming from xylitol ingestion. Dr. Gwaltney-Brant said three additional dogs that ingested xylitol after the study was conducted either died or had to be euthanized after becoming ill. All three, Dr. Gwaltney-Brant said, had liver failure. Dr. Gwaltney-Brant described the potential negative xylitol effects on dogs as a "species difference." "People only absorb a certain percentage of xylitol," she said. "The human body doesn't even notice it. However, in dogs, xylitol triggers significant insulin release, which drops the blood sugar. It is definitely a species difference. People aren't in danger from sugar-free gum containing xylitol; dogs are." The number of xylitol-related pet exposures is on the rise, according to Dr. Gwaltney-Brant, partly because of increased awareness, but more so because xylitol is being used in more products. The incidence of reported xylitol exposures climbed from 70 in 2004 to 170 in 2005. As of August, the Poison Control Center reported 114 cases of xylitol exposure this year. "This is the tip of the iceberg now," she said. "Anything that is sugar-free could potentially have substituted xylitol for the original sweetener." The extent of xylitol's potential effects on the liver are new—and certainly not good news—for dogs, their owners and veterinarians. "The fact that xylitol-containing products can cause problems in dogs is a relatively new find," Dr. Gwaltney-Brant said, explaining that the sweetener had already been tied to low blood sugar in dogs—but not liver failure. "Once you start looking at something, you see a lot more of it." Yeah, that's what I was talking about...so I still wonder, why xylitol and not other SA's... Something else interesting...http://www.ivis.org/proceedings/navc...A/005.asp?LA=1 briefly mentions the use of xylitol in treating bovine ketosis. Just as an aside . I think it is too early to actually tell much. The summary of the paper pretty much said about the same thing.... It is probably wise to caution people about their dogs eating "undoggy" foods such as sugars, fake sugars, chocolate (evidently Baker's Chocolate is the most damaging form - several times more potent than milk chocolate). My risk point of view is that about 10 people (USA)per year die of snake bites. About 10,000 per year from firearms. About 35,000 per year from automobiles So, 100 to 200 dogs per year by fake sugar isn't an alarming thing. There must be thousands of dogs per year killed by cars. I am out of death statistics for humans and dogs. My friends worry about my getting bitten by snakes and dying whenever I go backpacking. I don't. Jim |
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