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man is carnivore
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/sc...b &ei=5087%0A
Fossils Link Pre-Humans in West Europe to Earlier Date Excavations in a cave in the mountains of northern Spain have uncovered the oldest known remains of human ancestors in Western Europe, scientists reported Wednesday. The fossils of a lower jaw and teeth, more than 1.1 million years old, were found in sediments along with stone tools and bones of animals that appeared to have been butchered. The remains have been attributed to the previously known species Homo antecessor, a possible ancestor of Neanderthals and modern humans. |
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what does this article have to do with man being a carnivore?
"Tunderbar" wrote in message ... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/sc...b &ei=5087%0A Fossils Link Pre-Humans in West Europe to Earlier Date Excavations in a cave in the mountains of northern Spain have uncovered the oldest known remains of human ancestors in Western Europe, scientists reported Wednesday. The fossils of a lower jaw and teeth, more than 1.1 million years old, were found in sediments along with stone tools and bones of animals that appeared to have been butchered. The remains have been attributed to the previously known species Homo antecessor, a possible ancestor of Neanderthals and modern humans. |
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man is carnivore
On Mar 28, 1:12*pm, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
what does this article have to do with man being *a carnivore? "Tunderbar" wrote in message ... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/sc...?bl&ex=1206763.... Fossils Link Pre-Humans in West Europe to Earlier Date Excavations in a cave in the mountains of northern Spain have uncovered the oldest known remains of human ancestors in Western Europe, scientists reported Wednesday. The fossils of a lower jaw and teeth, more than 1.1 million years old, were found in sediments along with stone tools and bones of animals that appeared to have been butchered. The remains have been attributed to the previously known species Homo antecessor, a possible ancestor of Neanderthals and modern humans.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "stone tools and bones of animals that appeared to have been butchered" Sometimes the words give it away. |
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x-no-archive" yes
FOB wrote: Or maybe the dogs' willingness to eat a variety of vegetables? As opposed to cats who will turn their noses up at most vegetables. All of my cats have liked to eat grasses and cantaloupe. In the wild, cats and dogs eat the stomach contents of their prey, too, and get smaller amounts of plant foods into their diets that way. Lots of humans turn their noses up at most vegetables, too, BTW. ;-) Susan |
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man is carnivore
"Cubit" wrote:
"Susan" wrote:. Roger Zoul wrote: what does this article have to do with man being *a carnivore? Nothing. Humans are omnivores, not carnivores. I think semantic purity avoids the point here. *There may be evidence that humans were primarily carnivorous. The evidence from the few remaining hunter gatherer societies is humans before civilization tended to eat well over half of their calories from animal sources. Humanity did evolve from ape species that 5+ million years ago were mostly herbivores. Modern apes eat something like 5% of their calories from animal sources and the discovery that chimps organize hunts was huge news in the 1960s. So our "starting point" diverging from the other apes was already not strictly fruit eaters. The evidence is that humanity (being looser than "anatomically modern humans" to include lots of links in our evolutionary chain) moved quite far along the evolutionary path towards carnivore before herding and farming were developed. But herding and farming *were* developed. Based on the fossil evidence it appears that humans peaked out at some degree of "carnivore-ness" within the range of omnivores in ancient times and have since moved a little towards "herbivore-ness" within the range of omnivores in modern times. But we are still closer to the carnivore side than the herbivore side. Evolution is an on-going process and it's still happening. The whole herbivose/omnivore/carnivore deal is a grey scale not a set of sharp divides. Lots of people feed their dogs vegetables. *Are dogs omnivores, not carnivores? As FOB mentioned cats will decline veggies. Give a cat no choice but to eat vegan food and the cat will eventually go blind. Cats are quite far along the scale towards the end of carnivore. But dogs have seen a huge amount of forced evolution since they started hanging out with humans. While pre-humans evolved to eat more and more meat and then developed farming and have since started drifting back towards the omnivore center, dogs didn't start out as completely carnivore as cats and for thousands of generations they have had intense evolutionary pressure pushing them from somewhere in the carnivore part of the spectrum to near where humans are in the omnivore part of the spectrum. So, calling dogs omnivores or carnivores depends on where you put the boundary. Watch what ferral dogs eat and it isn't all meat. Watch what ferral cats eat and it is all critter. Lab animals, such as rabbits, are commonly fed fats and proteins for experiments, but does that mean that rabbits are omnivores, not herbivores? Sure, but it is about what they'll eat when allowed to go ferral. Put a few humans out in the wild with nothing but their own witts and no sign of civilization and what will they figure out to eat? Pretty much anything and a lot of gross stuff at that. Humans seem to be able to eat anything up to and including rocks. Okay, not actually rocks but still pretty much anything. But what's the chance a few ferral humans will turn out vegitarians? Vegitarianism is a social choice available within society that would not be an option without civilization. I think that's part of Thunderbar's "man is carnivore" subject line. That and the fossil evidence looks like our ferral ancestors ate more meat as a percentage of total calories than we do now. |
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"Doug Freyburger" wrote But what's the chance a few ferral humans will turn out vegitarians? Vegitarianism is a social choice available within society that would not be an option without civilization. I think that's part of Thunderbar's "man is carnivore" subject line. That and the fossil evidence looks like our ferral ancestors ate more meat as a percentage of total calories than we do now. The article he points to provides no evidence of such that I could see.... And it's "Tunderbar" |
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"Roger Zoul" wrote:
"Doug Freyburger" wrote That and the fossil evidence looks like our ferral ancestors ate more meat as a percentage of total calories than we do now. The article he points to provides no evidence of such that I could see.... Ah. What I saw in the photo was the shape of the teeth. Paleontologists make judgements about diet based on the shape of the teeth relative to modern human average. Something about shovel shaped indicating a larger percentage of calories from meat than modern humans. Not mentioned in the article but it did remind me of older articles about shape of teeth. So I made the connection based on that memory. And it's "Tunderbar" Sure, but it's just as valid to say - And it's "Doug". I get your point but I resemble it too much for that to be enough. |
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Susan wrote:
All of my cats have liked to eat grasses and cantaloupe. In the wild, cats and dogs eat the stomach contents of their prey, too, and get smaller amounts of plant foods into their diets that way. Lots of humans turn their noses up at most vegetables, too, BTW. ;-) Susan So true. I have a friend, and the only vegetable he eats is french fries. The rest is meat and junk food. Becca |
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On Mar 29, 6:35 pm, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
"Doug Freyburger" wrote But what's the chance a few ferral humans will turn out vegitarians? Vegitarianism is a social choice available within society that would not be an option without civilization. I think that's part of Thunderbar's "man is carnivore" subject line. That and the fossil evidence looks like our ferral ancestors ate more meat as a percentage of total calories than we do now. The article he points to provides no evidence of such that I could see.... And it's "Tunderbar" Nice ad hominem. |
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"Tunderbar" wrote in message ... On Mar 29, 6:35 pm, "Roger Zoul" wrote: "Doug Freyburger" wrote But what's the chance a few ferral humans will turn out vegitarians? Vegitarianism is a social choice available within society that would not be an option without civilization. I think that's part of Thunderbar's "man is carnivore" subject line. That and the fossil evidence looks like our ferral ancestors ate more meat as a percentage of total calories than we do now. The article he points to provides no evidence of such that I could see.... And it's "Tunderbar" Nice ad hominem. Asking a question is an attack? |
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