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Bike Pedals - Should I Go Clipless?
I thought I'd give this question a try here, since we have a few avid
cyclists. I started cycling last year, normally 4x weekly for a couple of hours per ride. I have an older Trek mountain bike that is in great condition, since I had hardly used it previously. Last year I rode in athletic shoes (the bike has pedals with clips). Several people suggested that I should switch to clipless pedals and the appropriate shoe. I was told that this would improve the efficiency and quality of my rides. I'm trying to decide if I need to do this. I'm figuring this will be somewhere between a $150-200 expenditure between shoes and pedals. I don't do any montain biking at this point, almost all of my riding is on trails/paths, which are generally crushed rock, dirt and occasionally asphalt. Of course I spend some time on the street. I ride at cruising speed (I'm not into racing or timing my rides), and my main goal is fitness and enjoying the outdoors. This summer I am anticipating rides of 25-40 miles per session, maybe even a couple of longer ones thrown in. Do clipless pedals make sense for me? Would upgrading my current clipped pedals be a better option (they are the originals from 1991). Are the clipped pedals more all-purpose for someone like me, or is clipless really the way to go? One thing that concerns me is handling any bumpy or rough terrain with clipless pedals, in the case that I occasionally attempt some rougher trails. Also, if I use clipless pedals I am committed to shoes designed for this, and if I have a shoe malfunction I'm out of luck. I have no idea how durable these things are. I'm interested in any advice, thanks. |
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Bike Pedals - Should I Go Clipless?
I don't doubt the efficiency of clipless pedals, I'm just trying to
figure out if they're right for the type of riding I do, and also worth the $$$. Do clipless pedals tend to pop out under rougher conditions? Do mountain bikers use them, or just road bikers? |
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Bike Pedals - Should I Go Clipless?
I had just this conversation with a lady friend of mine on Saturday. What
you and she both overlook is that the clipless pedals allow you to pedal both on the downstroke and on the upstroke. It works more muscles, is more efficient, and the learning curve is short (about 5 minutes!) So, yes, clipless is better. You can get some shoes for about $55 (you don't have to get the high end shoes to do this) and clipless pedals come with the cleats that go on the shoes. Some Shimano SPD or even one of the imitations can be had fairly cheaply. For example, go to a local bike store or look in www.bikenashbar.com It is worth it. No doubt about that. Soon, you will be pedaling in a circle instead of just pushing down on the platform pedal. You'll be more efficient, use more muscles, etc. Pat in TX |
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Bike Pedals - Should I Go Clipless?
I don't have any non street experience. For road riding, they do offer the
advantage of giving you a more solid connection with the pedals. This improves confidence and allows you to be more aggressive. Your feet don't come off the pedals accidently (or, there is less chance of that happening). Clipless can be set so that you can get out very easily, such as when coming to a stop or if you fall in a crash. Just the twisting of your feet relative to the bike will get you out. I don't really buy the argument of these pedaling systems offering any speed advantages (apart from the more positive connection to the bike, mind you). Yes, you can pull up and push down, but I don't think the pulling up is such a good idea (a slight twist will get you out) and it will tire you out quicker. In the end, it's basically best (IMO) to work on developing a smooth stroke & high cadence. To go X mph will take the same energy and all of it comes from your body. The pushing/pulling, circular pedalling arguments are just theoretical for the most part. Turning the pedals in a confident manner is what gets and keeps you moving. IMO. Given that I know zero about mountain riding, I'd offer that if you're not doing techincal trails & paths, the clipless pedals will offer you the same advantages as they do for road cyclists. I will also say that I have two friends who are long-time cyclist who don't use clipless pedals. They seem to do just fine, too. I have clipless on my road bike and do not will have them on my recumbent . I like them better on the upright as I feel that since a significant part of my weight rests on my feet when on an upright, it's better to have a solid connection there. I dont think you need to spend so much on pedals & shoes. House brand SPDs at performance/nashbar should save you some money. You can also get SPDs types that have platforms on them so you can ride in normal shoes as well has having a bigger area to spread the load of your foot on the pedal. Some come with SPD on one side and platforms on the other, while others come with combination SPD and platforms on both sides. There are still other types of clipless but they may cost more. Frankly, I'm not certain SPDs will make that much difference for you. However, you might want to talk to people who do techincal trails for their comments. I do believe that lots of mountain cyclist used some form of clipless -- they certain have enough shoes sold for mountain bikers! Oh, if you do go clipless, expect to fall a few times! taddy wrote: :: I thought I'd give this question a try here, since we have a few avid :: cyclists. :: :: I started cycling last year, normally 4x weekly for a couple of hours :: per ride. I have an older Trek mountain bike that is in great :: condition, since I had hardly used it previously. Last year I rode :: in athletic shoes (the bike has pedals with clips). Several people :: suggested that I should switch to clipless pedals and the appropriate :: shoe. I was told that this would improve the efficiency and quality :: of my rides. I'm trying to decide if I need to do this. I'm :: figuring this will be somewhere between a $150-200 expenditure :: between shoes and pedals. :: :: I don't do any montain biking at this point, almost all of my riding :: is on trails/paths, which are generally crushed rock, dirt and :: occasionally asphalt. Of course I spend some time on the street. I :: ride at cruising speed (I'm not into racing or timing my rides), and :: my main goal is fitness and enjoying the outdoors. This summer I am :: anticipating rides of 25-40 miles per session, maybe even a couple of :: longer ones thrown in. :: :: Do clipless pedals make sense for me? Would upgrading my current :: clipped pedals be a better option (they are the originals from 1991). :: Are the clipped pedals more all-purpose for someone like me, or is :: clipless really the way to go? One thing that concerns me is :: handling any bumpy or rough terrain with clipless pedals, in the :: case that I occasionally attempt some rougher trails. Also, if I :: use clipless pedals I am committed to shoes designed for this, and :: if I have a shoe malfunction I'm out of luck. I have no idea how :: durable these things are. :: :: I'm interested in any advice, thanks. |
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Pat wrote:
::: I don't really buy the argument of these pedaling systems offering ::: any speed advantages (apart from the more positive connection to ::: the bike, mind you). Yes, you can pull up and push down, but I ::: don't think the pulling up is such a good idea (a slight twist will ::: get you out) and it will tire you out quicker. In the end, it's ::: basically best (IMO) to work on developing a smooth stroke & high ::: cadence. To go X mph will take the same energy and all of it comes ::: from your body. The pushing/pulling, circular pedalling arguments ::: are just theoretical for the most part. Turning the pedals in a ::: confident manner is what gets and keeps you moving. IMO. :: :: No, you're wrong there, Roger. We all need to strive for a circular :: pedalling motion. "pushing down and pulling up" is not circular. :: Your stroke cannot become "smooth" unless you are moving your foot :: in a circular motion. If not, you are just zigging and zagging, :: which is a lot more tiring than a smooth motion. I even think you :: are wrong out the "take the same energy" argument. If you are more :: efficient, you use less energy. Try using that "same energy" :: argument in swimming sometime. Efficiency=less tiring. :: Pat....what other ways are there to move your feet on pedals? If your feet go as the pedals go, then your feet are automatically moving in a circular motion. All there is left to do is do it smoothly, which can only mean maintaining an even motion on the pedals, which leads to an efficient cadence. If your feet move with the pedals, then they are going in a circular motion. Clipless enable this better than otherwise simply because you don't have to worry about your feet coming off. On platforms, your foot could move on the pedal, which thus will ruin efficiency. Also, your foot might not even be positioned right on the platform, which again can sap efficiency. If you're wearing clips, your foot could still come off, which will always leave you more doubtful about what's going on with pedals than otherwise. This business about pulling up with one foot while pushing down with the other is the argument that claims that additional muscles are used while pedalling. Yes, it can be done but this is not at all a natural motion. It's not any more efficient, either, but it is tiring. :: ::: ::: I will also say that I have two friends who are long-time cyclist ::: who don't use clipless pedals. They seem to do just fine, too. I ::: have clipless on my road bike and do not will have them on my ::: recumbent . I like them better on the upright as I feel that since ::: a significant part of my weight rests on my feet when on an ::: upright, it's better to have a solid connection there. :: :: Without them on your recumbent, be careful of getting your foot :: sucked backward. I haven't done that, but I hear it is painful. Yes, foot suck can be an issue, but I don't think it's a problem on my recumbent. It certainly is a problem on some recumbents, like trikes. Do you have a recumbent? I find mine a lot of fun to ride, but it sucks going uphill compared to my upright. :: ::: Oh, if you do go clipless, expect to fall a few times! :: :: Huh? Didn't happen for me! Good. I think it happens to most people who switch to clipless. :: :: :: Pat in TX |
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Bike Pedals - Should I Go Clipless?
"taddy"I don't doubt the efficiency of clipless pedals, I'm just trying to figure out if they're right for the type of riding I do, and also worth the $$$. Once you go clipless, you won't go back to platform pedals. Your riding will be better, easier, more fun. Do clipless pedals tend to pop out under rougher conditions? Do mountain bikers use them, or just road bikers? No, they don't "pop out" and all cyclists use them, not just road bikers. Check out the mountain bike shoes. I have mountain bike shoes but use them on my road bikes. Why? They are easier to walk in. They don't mar the floors, and they don't make you "skate" across the pavement unexpectedly like the road bike shoes. I don't understand the anxiety over your feet coming out unexpectedly. It just doesn't happen. For one thing, you have to consciously twist your ankle to unhook the mechanism. Sort of like getting out of skis. Pat in TX |
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Bike Pedals - Should I Go Clipless?
I don't really buy the argument of these pedaling systems offering any speed advantages (apart from the more positive connection to the bike, mind you). Yes, you can pull up and push down, but I don't think the pulling up is such a good idea (a slight twist will get you out) and it will tire you out quicker. In the end, it's basically best (IMO) to work on developing a smooth stroke & high cadence. To go X mph will take the same energy and all of it comes from your body. The pushing/pulling, circular pedalling arguments are just theoretical for the most part. Turning the pedals in a confident manner is what gets and keeps you moving. IMO. No, you're wrong there, Roger. We all need to strive for a circular pedalling motion. "pushing down and pulling up" is not circular. Your stroke cannot become "smooth" unless you are moving your foot in a circular motion. If not, you are just zigging and zagging, which is a lot more tiring than a smooth motion. I even think you are wrong out the "take the same energy" argument. If you are more efficient, you use less energy. Try using that "same energy" argument in swimming sometime. Efficiency=less tiring. I will also say that I have two friends who are long-time cyclist who don't use clipless pedals. They seem to do just fine, too. I have clipless on my road bike and do not will have them on my recumbent . I like them better on the upright as I feel that since a significant part of my weight rests on my feet when on an upright, it's better to have a solid connection there. Without them on your recumbent, be careful of getting your foot sucked backward. I haven't done that, but I hear it is painful. Oh, if you do go clipless, expect to fall a few times! Huh? Didn't happen for me! Pat in TX |
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Bike Pedals - Should I Go Clipless?
OK, I'm convinced. Clipless pedals it is.
I understand the "eggbeater" is very popular. I'll check that out among others. As far as shoes, I have no idea. I can't buy them over the internet, though, I've got to try them on. |
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Bike Pedals - Should I Go Clipless?
Pat....what other ways are there to move your feet on pedals? If your feet go as the pedals go, then your feet are automatically moving in a circular motion. All there is left to do is do it smoothly, which can only mean maintaining an even motion on the pedals, which leads to an efficient cadence. If your feet move with the pedals, then they are going in a circular motion. Clipless enable this better than otherwise simply because you don't have to worry about your feet coming off. On platforms, your foot could move on the pedal, which thus will ruin efficiency. Also, your foot might not even be positioned right on the platform, which again can sap efficiency. If you're wearing clips, your foot could still come off, which will always leave you more doubtful about what's going on with pedals than otherwise. Yes, your feet are more or less going circular, but your muscles are not evenly engaging around the entire circle when you have platform pedals. That's what I mean by pedalling in a circle--even pressure and muscles being engaged all around the 360 degrees of the circle. Feet on platform pedals are not being used efficiently. In your example above, you forgot the problem that some people have with positioning their feet too far forward (or backward) on the pedals resulting in knee pain as well as sapping efficiency. People who pedal with their instep on the pedals instead of the ball of the foot can wind up with muscle or knee pain and maybe even plantar fasciitis. Plus, people who pedal that way tend to set the saddle much too low, resulting in the ol' knee hitting the chin effect (or so it appears to an onlooker). This business about pulling up with one foot while pushing down with the other is the argument that claims that additional muscles are used while pedalling. Yes, it can be done but this is not at all a natural motion. It's not any more efficient, either, but it is tiring. I didn't mean that. Your description makes it seem as if one leg is resting totally while the other is working. Both legs have to work equally all around the circle. Of course, this is done spinning, not gnashing under a high gear. Yes, foot suck can be an issue, but I don't think it's a problem on my recumbent. It certainly is a problem on some recumbents, like trikes. I don't have first-hand evidence. I have heard some stories about it, that's all. It's certainly something to watch out for. Do you have a recumbent? I find mine a lot of fun to ride, but it sucks going uphill compared to my upright. I do. Lord knows I've got a whole stable of bikes out there. (arrows in a quiver, that's what they are!) :: Pat in TX |
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Bike Pedals - Should I Go Clipless?
taddy wrote:
:: OK, I'm convinced. Clipless pedals it is. :: :: I understand the "eggbeater" is very popular. I'll check that out :: among others. As far as shoes, I have no idea. I can't buy them :: over the internet, though, I've got to try them on. I've been thinking about moving over to eggbeaters...specifically, the quattros. |
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