Carbs and biking/weight lifting

I don't bike like you do. I don't have the time.

Everybody has the same amount of time. You just choose to use it
differently.

Pat in TX

Pat wrote:
::: I don't bike like you do. I don't have the time.
::
:: Everybody has the same amount of time. You just choose to use it
:: differently.
::
:: Pat in TX

Hollywood wrote:

Generally have 1/2 a grapefruit, 1 kiwi or a cup of strawberries post
workout, but half-1.5 hours post.

If you're taking in the fruit as a means to replenish, you might
want to look into how fructose and other 'oses are handled by the
body.

In short, fructose will stay in your liver and replenish glycogen
stores there (a problem with getting/staying in ketosis) where
dextrose will more readily sent to the blood stream and thereby
more accessible for muscle glycogen replenishment.


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RRzVRR wrote:
Hollywood wrote:

Generally have 1/2 a grapefruit, 1 kiwi or a cup of strawberries post
workout, but half-1.5 hours post.


If you're taking in the fruit as a means to replenish, you might want to
look into how fructose and other 'oses are handled by the body.

In short, fructose will stay in your liver and replenish glycogen stores
there (a problem with getting/staying in ketosis) where dextrose will
more readily sent to the blood stream and thereby more accessible for
muscle glycogen replenishment.



Sounds like a reason for high fructose corn syrup sweetened drinks to be
especially avoided.

There used to be some dextrose based hiker energy mints for sale, about
20 years ago. I was skinny then. They worked to give added energy for
uphill hiking for about 15 to 20 minutes.

In your opoinion, would something like this be "a good thing"?

In short, fructose will stay in your liver and replenish glycogen stores
there (a problem with getting/staying in ketosis) where dextrose will more
readily sent to the blood stream and thereby more accessible for muscle
glycogen replenishment.
Rudy -

Um, sounds like the difference between Cytomax and Endurox! I knew there
was a reason I liked Cytomax!

Pat in TX

Jbuch wrote:

RRzVRR wrote:

Hollywood wrote:

Generally have 1/2 a grapefruit, 1 kiwi or a cup of strawberries post
workout, but half-1.5 hours post.

If you're taking in the fruit as a means to replenish, you might want
to look into how fructose and other 'oses are handled by the body.

In short, fructose will stay in your liver and replenish glycogen
stores there (a problem with getting/staying in ketosis) where
dextrose will more readily sent to the blood stream and thereby more
accessible for muscle glycogen replenishment.



Sounds like a reason for high fructose corn syrup sweetened drinks to be
especially avoided.


You're right. Its that liver-fructose connection that has a lot
of people concerned about the refined fructose (made from
starches) HFCS. Ketosis aside, the liver converts fructose to
fatty acids quickly.

There used to be some dextrose based hiker energy mints for sale, about
20 years ago. I was skinny then. They worked to give added energy for
uphill hiking for about 15 to 20 minutes.

In your opoinion, would something like this be "a good thing"?

I was suggesting that if someone exercised with enough intensity
and duration to deplete their muscle's glycogen storage, then it
would be better to take in dextrose to replenish for the next
workout. Dextrose would go quickly to the bloodstream and
thereby taken up quickly by the muscles (especially right after
training). So for those of us who what to replenish muscle
glycogen for future exercise and return to ketosis quickly, a
small amount of dextrose would be a good route.

On top of that, one of the easier ways I've found to get dextrose
is from some creatine loading mixes. Lately there's been some
research on how creatine might be helpful in brain injuries and
Parkinson's disease. While you would be only be taking in a very
small amount of creatine (because you'd be taking in a small
amount of dextrose) to reload, at least you shouldn't be worried
about creatine.

Personally, I don't think taking in carbs during exercise is a
good idea unless you're doing very high intensity for a very long
duration.

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On Mar 23, 11:05 am, "Pat" wrote:
I don't bike like you do. I don't have the time.

Everybody has the same amount of time. You just choose to use it
differently.

Pat in TX



Thanks for the insight. No, really.

I could, tomorrow, quit my job (that's 40 hours a week back + 1.5-2/
day in commute).
I could cut sleep back below 7 hours/night (of course, that would
probably slow my weight loss more than any additional exercise)

I suppose I could go for two hour bike rides after work. (Note: I live
in a city that ranked a D-, 90+ out of 100 on annual traffic
fatalities, so this might not be a good idea).

On the flip side, Maybe I don't want to bike like them. I'd rather
keep my current job, maintain my level of reading on my commute, not
dodge Northern VA traffic on my bike, and not stall weightloss with
excessive amounts of steady state cardio nor overtraining.

I'll keep my schedule as it is. But thanks for the insight Pat. I
suppose I could have skipped this response, and saved two minutes.

On Mar 24, 8:27 am, RRzVRR wrote:
Hollywood wrote:
Generally have 1/2 a grapefruit, 1 kiwi or a cup of strawberries post
workout, but half-1.5 hours post.

If you're taking in the fruit as a means to replenish, you might
want to look into how fructose and other 'oses are handled by the
body.

No. I just eat them to have some non-brown food in my diet. I've had
some very excellent workouts on sub-10g carb days.

In short, fructose will stay in your liver and replenish glycogen
stores there (a problem with getting/staying in ketosis) where
dextrose will more readily sent to the blood stream and thereby
more accessible for muscle glycogen replenishment.

I haven't seemed to have this problem as of yet. Very steady ketosis,
very steady loss. I could see how others might have a problem, but
carbs (even with the fruit) are like 40G every day, and 10% of total
calories. Protein Power!

Hollywood wrote:
:: On Mar 23, 11:05 am, "Pat" wrote:
:::: I don't bike like you do. I don't have the time.
:::
::: Everybody has the same amount of time. You just choose to use it
::: differently.
:::
::: Pat in TX
:::
:::
::
:: Thanks for the insight. No, really.
::
:: I could, tomorrow, quit my job (that's 40 hours a week back + 1.5-2/
:: day in commute).
:: I could cut sleep back below 7 hours/night (of course, that would
:: probably slow my weight loss more than any additional exercise)
::
:: I suppose I could go for two hour bike rides after work. (Note: I
:: live in a city that ranked a D-, 90+ out of 100 on annual traffic
:: fatalities, so this might not be a good idea).
::
:: On the flip side, Maybe I don't want to bike like them. I'd rather
:: keep my current job, maintain my level of reading on my commute, not
:: dodge Northern VA traffic on my bike, and not stall weightloss with
:: excessive amounts of steady state cardio nor overtraining.
::
:: I'll keep my schedule as it is. But thanks for the insight Pat. I
:: suppose I could have skipped this response, and saved two minutes.

Seems as if he said the same thing you just did, only he said it more
succiently.

On Mar 26, 8:25 pm, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
Hollywood wrote:

:: On Mar 23, 11:05 am, "Pat" wrote:
:::: I don't bike like you do. I don't have the time.
:::
::: Everybody has the same amount of time. You just choose to use it
::: differently.
:::
::: Pat in TX
:::
:::
::
:: Thanks for the insight. No, really.
::
:: I could, tomorrow, quit my job (that's 40 hours a week back + 1.5-2/
:: day in commute).
:: I could cut sleep back below 7 hours/night (of course, that would
:: probably slow my weight loss more than any additional exercise)
::
:: I suppose I could go for two hour bike rides after work. (Note: I
:: live in a city that ranked a D-, 90+ out of 100 on annual traffic
:: fatalities, so this might not be a good idea).
::
:: On the flip side, Maybe I don't want to bike like them. I'd rather
:: keep my current job, maintain my level of reading on my commute, not
:: dodge Northern VA traffic on my bike, and not stall weightloss with
:: excessive amounts of steady state cardio nor overtraining.
::
:: I'll keep my schedule as it is. But thanks for the insight Pat. I
:: suppose I could have skipped this response, and saved two minutes.

Seems as if he said the same thing you just did, only he said it more
succiently.

Some of us care to say the very most. Sometimes.