OT - high triglycerides in dogs

"Penelope Baker" wrote in
:

that's exactly my point. they are opportunistic, but they would
never, EVER, hunt down a rice paddy or corn stalk in nature.

Well, they wouldn't hunt down anything 'in nature' because Labs and Yorkies
don't and never have roamed the forests and plains having to fend for
themselves.

they'd
eat carrion, or whatever. the stuff that you mentioned is all
products of humanity, not nature.

My dog will also eat berries, a raw potato, an ear of corn, grasses, and
anything else that appeals to him. Things that aren't products of humans
and that are found in many dogs foods. Dogs are, as you say,
opportunistists.

However, I repeat that I'm not a fan of dried foods any more than I'd be a
fan of a human living on People Chow day in and day out. I'd prefer to give
my dog a proper balance of whole foods, and I hope one day to have the time
to do it properly.

Cate

Pat wrote:
::: I don't see how rice is going to help them...and I don't see how
::: low fat will be particularly healthly for them since that usually
::: means high carb.
::
:: The rice is to make it easier on their kidneys, etc., to digest the
:: food.
::

Would dogs in the wild chow on rice? Perhaps the rice is causing BG
problems which results in higer trigs.

Pat wrote:
::: I don't see how rice is going to help them...and I don't see how
::: low fat will be particularly healthly for them since that usually
::: means high carb.
::
:: The rice is to make it easier on their kidneys, etc., to digest the
:: food.
::

Would dogs in the wild chow on rice? Perhaps the rice is causing BG
problems which results in higer trigs.

"Debbie Cusick" wrote in message news:smM1d.3970$_53.669@trndny02...
Carmen wrote:

http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp

Input "hypercholesterolemia". Most of what I found on the 'net
concerning high cholesterol in dogs had to do with hypothyroidism.

Thanks for the Merck link. Great site. Oddly, neither dog had high
cholesterol as far as their overall number went, just the triglycerides,
which makes me wonder if the test was skewed in some way. Thyroid was also
checked, and both are normal there as well. My third dog, who *does* suffer
from hypothyroidism, and is on medication for it, has pefectly normal
triglyceride levels.

I never know what to think anymore. I posted a question on
rec.pets.dogs.health also, and everyone there is telling me that Science
Diet is an excellent thing for dogs, and almost no dogs are allergic to
corn, and it's an excellent food for them. Yet I've had many others tell me
the exact opposite. It's as bad as dietary advice in humans. :-)

I don't have direct experience with elevated triglycerides in dogs,
but I can second the rec for the Hill's Prescription Diet. My cat was
severely overweight at 18.5 pounds 6 months ago. I put him on the
Feline M/D per my vet's rec and now he's 16.2. Two pounds may not seem
like much to you and me, but to a lil cat it's a lot! I guess M/D is
sort of the low-carb option for cats. I wonder if I/D is the low-carb
option for dogs. Also, my cat LOVES the stuff. Scarfs it right down
without a touch of his former finickiness.

"Debbie Cusick" wrote in message news:smM1d.3970$_53.669@trndny02...
Carmen wrote:

http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp

Input "hypercholesterolemia". Most of what I found on the 'net
concerning high cholesterol in dogs had to do with hypothyroidism.

Thanks for the Merck link. Great site. Oddly, neither dog had high
cholesterol as far as their overall number went, just the triglycerides,
which makes me wonder if the test was skewed in some way. Thyroid was also
checked, and both are normal there as well. My third dog, who *does* suffer
from hypothyroidism, and is on medication for it, has pefectly normal
triglyceride levels.

I never know what to think anymore. I posted a question on
rec.pets.dogs.health also, and everyone there is telling me that Science
Diet is an excellent thing for dogs, and almost no dogs are allergic to
corn, and it's an excellent food for them. Yet I've had many others tell me
the exact opposite. It's as bad as dietary advice in humans. :-)

I don't have direct experience with elevated triglycerides in dogs,
but I can second the rec for the Hill's Prescription Diet. My cat was
severely overweight at 18.5 pounds 6 months ago. I put him on the
Feline M/D per my vet's rec and now he's 16.2. Two pounds may not seem
like much to you and me, but to a lil cat it's a lot! I guess M/D is
sort of the low-carb option for cats. I wonder if I/D is the low-carb
option for dogs. Also, my cat LOVES the stuff. Scarfs it right down
without a touch of his former finickiness.

Dogs are low carb and shouldn't give you high triglycerides.

g

Peter
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html

Dogs are low carb and shouldn't give you high triglycerides.

g

Peter
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html

Cate wrote:
|| "Penelope Baker" wrote in
|| news:10kfe4vp0tjdcc1 @corp.supernews.com:
||
||| get 'em off dry food if they're on it. dogs would never hunt down
||| a rice paddy or corn stalk in a natural environment.
||
|| While I'm not a true believer in either dry or canned food for dogs
|| (if I had my druthers I'd feed the BARF diet), they would indeed
|| 'hunt' rice and corn if left on their own.
||
|| A dog left on his own to wander the streets (there is no 'natural
|| environment' for today's dogs that doesn't include living with and
|| depending on humans) will eat anything that looks appealing, whether
|| it's a T-bone, a bag of doritos, white rice, carrots, or a Milky Way.
||
|| IOW, they don't just go for meat.
||

That only proves that they have become used to a diet of junk food, just
like most of us here. If you where hungry, you'd eat potato chips, pop,
cookies, etc, if you had no other choice. That doesn't mean that such foods
are good for you. Likewise for the dog.

Cate wrote:
|| "Penelope Baker" wrote in
|| news:10kfe4vp0tjdcc1 @corp.supernews.com:
||
||| get 'em off dry food if they're on it. dogs would never hunt down
||| a rice paddy or corn stalk in a natural environment.
||
|| While I'm not a true believer in either dry or canned food for dogs
|| (if I had my druthers I'd feed the BARF diet), they would indeed
|| 'hunt' rice and corn if left on their own.
||
|| A dog left on his own to wander the streets (there is no 'natural
|| environment' for today's dogs that doesn't include living with and
|| depending on humans) will eat anything that looks appealing, whether
|| it's a T-bone, a bag of doritos, white rice, carrots, or a Milky Way.
||
|| IOW, they don't just go for meat.
||

That only proves that they have become used to a diet of junk food, just
like most of us here. If you where hungry, you'd eat potato chips, pop,
cookies, etc, if you had no other choice. That doesn't mean that such foods
are good for you. Likewise for the dog.

Cate wrote:
|| "Penelope Baker" wrote in
|| :
||
||| that's exactly my point. they are opportunistic, but they would
||| never, EVER, hunt down a rice paddy or corn stalk in nature.
||
|| Well, they wouldn't hunt down anything 'in nature' because Labs and
|| Yorkies don't and never have roamed the forests and plains having to
|| fend for themselves.
||
|| they'd
||| eat carrion, or whatever. the stuff that you mentioned is all
||| products of humanity, not nature.
||
|| My dog will also eat berries, a raw potato, an ear of corn, grasses,
|| and anything else that appeals to him. Things that aren't products
|| of humans and that are found in many dogs foods. Dogs are, as you
|| say, opportunistists.
||
|| However, I repeat that I'm not a fan of dried foods any more than
|| I'd be a fan of a human living on People Chow day in and day out.
|| I'd prefer to give my dog a proper balance of whole foods, and I
|| hope one day to have the time to do it properly.
||

1) What is a proper balance of whole foods?
2) The availability of potato, corn, and anything else is very definitely a
product human existance.
3)Also, while those dogs may not have existed in the wild, they are still
DOGs and hence clues to their natural diet can be found in the historical
record.