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Old January 14th, 2006, 03:41 AM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:52:04 GMT, Ignoramus5478
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060113/...iction_study_5


The result: Those limiting caloric intake had the heart functions of
much younger people ? typically about 15 years younger than their
age.


Fontana said simply consuming less food is not the answer. Members of
the study group eat food resembling a traditional Mediterranean diet,
focusing on vegetables, olive oil, beans, whole grains, fish and
fruit. They avoid refined and processed foods, soft drinks, desserts,
white bread and other sources of "empty" calories.


This sounds to me suspiciously like the foods one might eat in the
maintenance phase of any low-carb diet.

For the general public, the researchers recommend a moderate reduction
in calories, combined with moderate, regular exercise.


OK, this is where I'm confused. If the people eating the above diet
have heart function of people 15 years younger, why the hell don't
researchers recommend *THAT PARTICULAR DIET*? They are only
recommending to eat a bit less and exercise more.

Jo Anne

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Old January 14th, 2006, 04:02 AM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Jo Anne Slaven wrote:
: On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:52:04 GMT, Ignoramus5478
: wrote:
:
:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060113/...iction_study_5
:
:The result: Those limiting caloric intake had the heart functions of
:much younger people ? typically about 15 years younger than their
:age.
:
:Fontana said simply consuming less food is not the answer. Members of
:the study group eat food resembling a traditional Mediterranean diet,
:focusing on vegetables, olive oil, beans, whole grains, fish and
:fruit. They avoid refined and processed foods, soft drinks, desserts,
:white bread and other sources of "empty" calories.
:
: This sounds to me suspiciously like the foods one might eat in the
: maintenance phase of any low-carb diet.
:
:For the general public, the researchers recommend a moderate
:reduction
:in calories, combined with moderate, regular exercise.
:
: OK, this is where I'm confused. If the people eating the above diet
: have heart function of people 15 years younger, why the hell don't
: researchers recommend *THAT PARTICULAR DIET*? They are only
: recommending to eat a bit less and exercise more.
:

Come now....how many in the general public, who love to eat excessive
amounts of food, are going to consider a low-calorie diet indefinitely?
They don't recommend it because they know it will fall on deaf ears.
(generally).




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Old January 14th, 2006, 02:37 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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"Jo Anne Slaven" wrote in message
...

Fontana said simply consuming less food is not the answer. Members of
the study group eat food resembling a traditional Mediterranean diet,
focusing on vegetables, olive oil, beans, whole grains, fish and
fruit. They avoid refined and processed foods, soft drinks, desserts,
white bread and other sources of "empty" calories.


This sounds to me suspiciously like the foods one might eat in the
maintenance phase of any low-carb diet.


Yep. The "real" Mediterranean diet was a Cretan diet that included a lot of
greens, olive oil, fish, not so much grains. It's been misrepresented to be
high in carbs - including pasta - and low in protein, but that isn't at all
the diet that was noted to confer health benefits.

For the general public, the researchers recommend a moderate reduction
in calories, combined with moderate, regular exercise.


OK, this is where I'm confused. If the people eating the above diet
have heart function of people 15 years younger, why the hell don't
researchers recommend *THAT PARTICULAR DIET*? They are only
recommending to eat a bit less and exercise more.


JoAnn, that always bugs me too. Apparently the medical community has a very
low opinion of the public's ability to understand fairly simple nutritional
concepts, and prefers to water them down to what they think folks will
actually do. Stupid approach, and also ineffective.

HG


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Old January 14th, 2006, 02:50 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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In article ews.net,
Hannah Gruen wrote:

"Jo Anne Slaven" wrote in message
...

Fontana said simply consuming less food is not the answer. Members of
the study group eat food resembling a traditional Mediterranean diet,
focusing on vegetables, olive oil, beans, whole grains, fish and
fruit. They avoid refined and processed foods, soft drinks, desserts,
white bread and other sources of "empty" calories.


This sounds to me suspiciously like the foods one might eat in the
maintenance phase of any low-carb diet.


Yep. The "real" Mediterranean diet was a Cretan diet that included a lot of
greens, olive oil, fish, not so much grains. It's been misrepresented to be
high in carbs - including pasta - and low in protein, but that isn't at all
the diet that was noted to confer health benefits.

For the general public, the researchers recommend a moderate reduction
in calories, combined with moderate, regular exercise.


OK, this is where I'm confused. If the people eating the above diet
have heart function of people 15 years younger, why the hell don't
researchers recommend *THAT PARTICULAR DIET*? They are only
recommending to eat a bit less and exercise more.


JoAnn, that always bugs me too. Apparently the medical community has a very
low opinion of the public's ability to understand fairly simple nutritional
concepts, and prefers to water them down to what they think folks will
actually do. Stupid approach, and also ineffective.

The medical community is probably trained in nutrition for about twenty
minutes. Nutrition is a key to better health and loss of potential
patients.


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Old January 14th, 2006, 03:13 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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What would have been more interesting would have been to have a third
group for comparison that ate the same types of foods, ie mediterranean
style, but at normal calorie levels. If you're really interested in
the effects of calorie restriction, which is what they claim, then that
is what you need to do to make any case. This seems so obvious, yet
they didn't do it.

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Old January 14th, 2006, 11:27 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:37:45 -0500, "Hannah Gruen"
wrote:

"Jo Anne Slaven" wrote in message
.. .

Fontana said simply consuming less food is not the answer. Members of
the study group eat food resembling a traditional Mediterranean diet,
focusing on vegetables, olive oil, beans, whole grains, fish and
fruit. They avoid refined and processed foods, soft drinks, desserts,
white bread and other sources of "empty" calories.


This sounds to me suspiciously like the foods one might eat in the
maintenance phase of any low-carb diet.


Yep. The "real" Mediterranean diet was a Cretan diet that included a lot of
greens, olive oil, fish, not so much grains. It's been misrepresented to be
high in carbs - including pasta - and low in protein, but that isn't at all
the diet that was noted to confer health benefits.

For the general public, the researchers recommend a moderate reduction
in calories, combined with moderate, regular exercise.


OK, this is where I'm confused. If the people eating the above diet
have heart function of people 15 years younger, why the hell don't
researchers recommend *THAT PARTICULAR DIET*? They are only
recommending to eat a bit less and exercise more.


JoAnn, that always bugs me too. Apparently the medical community has a very
low opinion of the public's ability to understand fairly simple nutritional
concepts, and prefers to water them down to what they think folks will
actually do. Stupid approach, and also ineffective.


To me, it reads like they are saying (while patting us on the head)
"There's no reason for you proles to try to improve your health and
extend your life. Here. Just eat a bit less. Everything will turn out
fine."


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Old January 14th, 2006, 11:55 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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"Jo Anne Slaven" wrote in message
...
To me, it reads like they are saying (while patting us on the head)
"There's no reason for you proles to try to improve your health and
extend your life. Here. Just eat a bit less. Everything will turn out
fine."


My EX-doctor, when I was at 364#: "You won't live to be 50 if you don't get
that weight off and get it off soon! You need the assistance of this drug
to get down to a safe weight to do surgery, and we need to do it as soon as
possible!"

His PA, a couple of weeks later: "Just eat more fruits and vegetables."

--
Sherry
364/297/195 (4/3/05)
http://lowcarb.owly.net


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Old January 15th, 2006, 12:24 AM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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The trouble with the study is... they don't say if people who follow the
Mediterranean diet but do not calorie restrict, also have the heart
protection.

They see one result, and they make an assumption, based on a group of 25
people.

Jennifer


Jo Anne Slaven wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:37:45 -0500, "Hannah Gruen"
wrote:


"Jo Anne Slaven" wrote in message
. ..


Fontana said simply consuming less food is not the answer. Members of
the study group eat food resembling a traditional Mediterranean diet,
focusing on vegetables, olive oil, beans, whole grains, fish and
fruit. They avoid refined and processed foods, soft drinks, desserts,
white bread and other sources of "empty" calories.

This sounds to me suspiciously like the foods one might eat in the
maintenance phase of any low-carb diet.


Yep. The "real" Mediterranean diet was a Cretan diet that included a lot of
greens, olive oil, fish, not so much grains. It's been misrepresented to be
high in carbs - including pasta - and low in protein, but that isn't at all
the diet that was noted to confer health benefits.


For the general public, the researchers recommend a moderate reduction
in calories, combined with moderate, regular exercise.

OK, this is where I'm confused. If the people eating the above diet
have heart function of people 15 years younger, why the hell don't
researchers recommend *THAT PARTICULAR DIET*? They are only
recommending to eat a bit less and exercise more.


JoAnn, that always bugs me too. Apparently the medical community has a very
low opinion of the public's ability to understand fairly simple nutritional
concepts, and prefers to water them down to what they think folks will
actually do. Stupid approach, and also ineffective.



To me, it reads like they are saying (while patting us on the head)
"There's no reason for you proles to try to improve your health and
extend your life. Here. Just eat a bit less. Everything will turn out
fine."



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Old January 15th, 2006, 01:48 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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"Jennifer" wrote in message
ink.net...
The trouble with the study is... they don't say if people who follow the
Mediterranean diet but do not calorie restrict, also have the heart
protection.

They see one result, and they make an assumption, based on a group of 25
people.


That's a good point, Jennifer. These kinds of observations are good starting
points for more definitive research, but that's all they are - starting
points - because there are simply too many variables. Where they go wrong is
applying findings inappropriately.

And I guess we all know by now not to take too seriously a single study, nor
ones as small as this. I tend to think that the group of people who are able
to maintain such a low caloric intake is probably not representative of the
general population in the first place. But... to be fair, the only way you'd
get most of the general population to follow that kind of diet would be to
put them in a prison camp and restrict their food.

JoAnn, I can't figure out why the medical profession is so loathe to make
the more stringent recommendations re diet that could actually do some good.
I don't think they *really* want to keep people from getting well. It's
something else and I'm not sure what.

HG


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Old January 15th, 2006, 02:05 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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In article ews.net,
Hannah Gruen wrote:

"Jennifer" wrote in message
ink.net...
The trouble with the study is... they don't say if people who follow the
Mediterranean diet but do not calorie restrict, also have the heart
protection.

They see one result, and they make an assumption, based on a group of 25
people.


That's a good point, Jennifer. These kinds of observations are good starting
points for more definitive research, but that's all they are - starting
points - because there are simply too many variables. Where they go wrong is
applying findings inappropriately.

In Toronto an allergist whose specialty is Immunology set up a study
group of twelve to establish her theory that Multiple Chemical
Sensitvities are linked to Panic Disorder. The MCS community was
outraged as these findings were not refelective of the general
conditons in the afflicted community.
 




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