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High-fat Atkins diet damages blood vessels: study
"Roger Zoul" wrote:
this is a good one... http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071106/...heart_diets_dc WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The high-fat Atkins diet can cause long-term damage to blood vessels, as well as some of the inflammation linked with heart and artery disease, U.S. researchers reported on Tuesday. "Can". Read the article and every single one of its claims are qualified by similar weasel words and no data at all. So it's an authority figure talking out of the wrong end of his digestive tract. |
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High-fat Atkins diet damages blood vessels: study
Doug Freyburger wrote:
"Roger Zoul" wrote: this is a good one... http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071106/...heart_diets_dc WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The high-fat Atkins diet can cause long-term damage to blood vessels, as well as some of the inflammation linked with heart and artery disease, U.S. researchers reported on Tuesday. "Can". Read the article and every single one of its claims are qualified by similar weasel words and no data at all. So it's an authority figure talking out of the wrong end of his digestive tract. Mike Eades did a discussion of this: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/2...blood-vessels/ -- http://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/ |
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High-fat Atkins diet damages blood vessels: study
On Nov 7, 9:23 am, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
Yes, it's obviously a BS "study". Another example of Taube's "bad science". And then you wonder why I look at entire populations of people who have been following various lifestyles for decades and beyond.. Billions of people for centuries... While not perfect, it does allow for some common sense to take the place of the studies you suggest are "bad science".... I'd certainly feel better about even the "good science" on low carbs if I also saw a million or so people living somewhere following it for 20 years or so. |
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High-fat Atkins diet damages blood vessels: study
In Poland there is The Optimal Diet. It is a form of low carb diet. I
understand there are a million or two people doing it. The testimonials on the website date back to 1987. There is your 20 years. http://homodiet.netfirms.com/index.html wrote in message oups.com... On Nov 7, 9:23 am, "Roger Zoul" wrote: Yes, it's obviously a BS "study". Another example of Taube's "bad science". And then you wonder why I look at entire populations of people who have been following various lifestyles for decades and beyond.. Billions of people for centuries... While not perfect, it does allow for some common sense to take the place of the studies you suggest are "bad science".... I'd certainly feel better about even the "good science" on low carbs if I also saw a million or so people living somewhere following it for 20 years or so. |
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High-fat Atkins diet damages blood vessels: study
wrote in message oups.com... On Nov 7, 9:23 am, "Roger Zoul" wrote: Yes, it's obviously a BS "study". Another example of Taube's "bad science". And then you wonder why I look at entire populations of people who have been following various lifestyles for decades and beyond.. Billions of people for centuries... Where is your study published? I'd like to see the data you've gathered and analyzed to support your conclusions from studing entire populations of people who have been following various lifestylees for decades and beyond...billlions of people for centuries. Yes, I'd like to see your published research papers. And, I'd like to your of your formal educational training. I'll be waiting. Thanks. While not perfect, it does allow for some common sense to take the place of the studies you suggest are "bad science".... From wikipedia: Common sense is sometimes regarded as an impediment to abstract and even logical thinking. This is especially the case in mathematics and physics, where human intuition often conflicts with probably correct or experimentally verified results. A definition attributed to Albert Einstein states: "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." Common sense is sometimes appealed to in political debates, particularly when other arguments have been exhausted. Civil rights for African Americans, women's suffrage, and homosexuality--to name just a few--have all been attacked as being contrary to common sense. Similarly, common sense has been invoked in opposition to many scientific and technological advancements. Such misuse of the notion of common sense is fallacious, being a form of the argumentum ad populum (appeal to the masses) fallacy. I'd certainly feel better about even the "good science" on low carbs if I also saw a million or so people living somewhere following it for 20 years or so. It's unlikely that you'd ever see a "million or so people" living somewhere following anything. |
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High-fat Atkins diet damages blood vessels: study
On Nov 9, 7:41 am, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... On Nov 7, 9:23 am, "Roger Zoul" wrote: Yes, it's obviously a BS "study". Another example of Taube's "bad science". And then you wonder why I look at entire populations of people who have been following various lifestyles for decades and beyond.. Billions of people for centuries... Where is your study published? I'd like to see the data you've gathered and analyzed to support your conclusions from studing entire populations of people who have been following various lifestylees for decades and beyond...billlions of people for centuries. Yes, I'd like to see your published research papers. And, I'd like to your of your formal educational training. I'll be waiting. Thanks. While not perfect, it does allow for some common sense to take the place of the studies you suggest are "bad science".... From wikipedia: Common sense is sometimes regarded as an impediment to abstract and even logical thinking. This is especially the case in mathematics and physics, where human intuition often conflicts with probably correct or experimentally verified results. A definition attributed to Albert Einstein states: "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." Common sense is sometimes appealed to in political debates, particularly when other arguments have been exhausted. Civil rights for African Americans, women's suffrage, and homosexuality--to name just a few--have all been attacked as being contrary to common sense. Similarly, common sense has been invoked in opposition to many scientific and technological advancements. Such misuse of the notion of common sense is fallacious, being a form of the argumentum ad populum (appeal to the masses) fallacy. I'd certainly feel better about even the "good science" on low carbs if I also saw a million or so people living somewhere following it for 20 years or so. It's unlikely that you'd ever see a "million or so people" living somewhere following anything. Yeah, I was wondering where the data was on billions of people for centuries too. As another note regarding studies like this blood vessel one using markers, I'm sure you heard in the last few days that another study confirmed the study from a year or two ago that showed that simply being overweight, but not obese, did not result in increased CHD or cancer risk. My take on this is if they can't agree on such a basic thing as whether being a bit over weight is good, bad, or neutral, then what does that tell us about how reliable data extracted from third order experiments using markers is going to be? I mean you would think there would be plenty of data available on weight vs CHD, etc and this issue would be irrefutable by now. |
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High-fat Atkins diet damages blood vessels: study
H.L wrote:
wrote: On Nov 7, 9:23 am, "Roger Zoul" wrote: Yes, it's obviously a BS "study". Another example of Taube's "bad science". And then you wonder why I look at entire populations of people who have been following various lifestyles for decades and beyond.. Billions of people for centuries... While not perfect, it does allow for some common sense to take the place of the studies you suggest are "bad science".... I'd certainly feel better about even the "good science" on low carbs if I also saw a million or so people living somewhere following it for 20 years or so. Check the Vilhjalmur Stefansson stories about the Eskimo population. I can't think of a better thing to read if you are worried about eating high fat! |
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