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High-fat Atkins diet damages blood vessels: study



 
 
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Old November 8th, 2007, 08:24 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Doug Freyburger
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Default High-fat Atkins diet damages blood vessels: study

"Roger Zoul" wrote:

this is a good one...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071106/...heart_diets_dc

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The high-fat Atkins diet can cause long-term damage
to blood vessels, as well as some of the inflammation linked with heart and
artery disease, U.S. researchers reported on Tuesday.


"Can". Read the article and every single one of its claims
are qualified by similar weasel words and no data at all.
So it's an authority figure talking out of the wrong end of
his digestive tract.

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Old November 8th, 2007, 09:16 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Default High-fat Atkins diet damages blood vessels: study

Doug Freyburger wrote:
"Roger Zoul" wrote:
this is a good one...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071106/...heart_diets_dc

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The high-fat Atkins diet can cause long-term damage
to blood vessels, as well as some of the inflammation linked with heart and
artery disease, U.S. researchers reported on Tuesday.


"Can". Read the article and every single one of its claims
are qualified by similar weasel words and no data at all.
So it's an authority figure talking out of the wrong end of
his digestive tract.


Mike Eades did a discussion of this:
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/2...blood-vessels/



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Old November 8th, 2007, 11:02 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Default High-fat Atkins diet damages blood vessels: study

On Nov 7, 9:23 am, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
Yes, it's obviously a BS "study". Another example of Taube's "bad science".


And then you wonder why I look at entire populations of people who
have been following various lifestyles for decades and beyond..
Billions of people for centuries...

While not perfect, it does allow for some common sense to take the
place of the studies you suggest are "bad science"....

I'd certainly feel better about even the "good science" on low carbs
if I also saw a million or so people living somewhere following it
for 20 years or so.

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Old November 9th, 2007, 03:14 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Default High-fat Atkins diet damages blood vessels: study

In Poland there is The Optimal Diet. It is a form of low carb diet. I
understand there are a million or two people doing it.

The testimonials on the website date back to 1987. There is your 20 years.

http://homodiet.netfirms.com/index.html


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On Nov 7, 9:23 am, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
Yes, it's obviously a BS "study". Another example of Taube's "bad
science".


And then you wonder why I look at entire populations of people who
have been following various lifestyles for decades and beyond..
Billions of people for centuries...

While not perfect, it does allow for some common sense to take the
place of the studies you suggest are "bad science"....

I'd certainly feel better about even the "good science" on low carbs
if I also saw a million or so people living somewhere following it
for 20 years or so.



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Old November 9th, 2007, 01:41 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Default High-fat Atkins diet damages blood vessels: study


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On Nov 7, 9:23 am, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
Yes, it's obviously a BS "study". Another example of Taube's "bad
science".


And then you wonder why I look at entire populations of people who
have been following various lifestyles for decades and beyond..
Billions of people for centuries...


Where is your study published? I'd like to see the data you've gathered and
analyzed to support your conclusions from studing entire populations of
people who have been following various lifestylees for decades and
beyond...billlions of people for centuries. Yes, I'd like to see your
published research papers. And, I'd like to your of your formal educational
training. I'll be waiting. Thanks.


While not perfect, it does allow for some common sense to take the
place of the studies you suggest are "bad science"....


From wikipedia:
Common sense is sometimes regarded as an impediment to abstract and even
logical thinking. This is especially the case in mathematics and physics,
where human intuition often conflicts with probably correct or
experimentally verified results. A definition attributed to Albert Einstein
states: "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age
eighteen."

Common sense is sometimes appealed to in political debates, particularly
when other arguments have been exhausted. Civil rights for African
Americans, women's suffrage, and homosexuality--to name just a few--have all
been attacked as being contrary to common sense. Similarly, common sense has
been invoked in opposition to many scientific and technological
advancements. Such misuse of the notion of common sense is fallacious, being
a form of the argumentum ad populum (appeal to the masses) fallacy.



I'd certainly feel better about even the "good science" on low carbs
if I also saw a million or so people living somewhere following it
for 20 years or so.


It's unlikely that you'd ever see a "million or so people" living somewhere
following anything.


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Old November 9th, 2007, 03:06 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Default High-fat Atkins diet damages blood vessels: study

On Nov 9, 7:41 am, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...

On Nov 7, 9:23 am, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
Yes, it's obviously a BS "study". Another example of Taube's "bad
science".


And then you wonder why I look at entire populations of people who
have been following various lifestyles for decades and beyond..
Billions of people for centuries...


Where is your study published? I'd like to see the data you've gathered and
analyzed to support your conclusions from studing entire populations of
people who have been following various lifestylees for decades and
beyond...billlions of people for centuries. Yes, I'd like to see your
published research papers. And, I'd like to your of your formal educational
training. I'll be waiting. Thanks.



While not perfect, it does allow for some common sense to take the
place of the studies you suggest are "bad science"....


From wikipedia:
Common sense is sometimes regarded as an impediment to abstract and even
logical thinking. This is especially the case in mathematics and physics,
where human intuition often conflicts with probably correct or
experimentally verified results. A definition attributed to Albert Einstein
states: "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age
eighteen."

Common sense is sometimes appealed to in political debates, particularly
when other arguments have been exhausted. Civil rights for African
Americans, women's suffrage, and homosexuality--to name just a few--have all
been attacked as being contrary to common sense. Similarly, common sense has
been invoked in opposition to many scientific and technological
advancements. Such misuse of the notion of common sense is fallacious, being
a form of the argumentum ad populum (appeal to the masses) fallacy.



I'd certainly feel better about even the "good science" on low carbs
if I also saw a million or so people living somewhere following it
for 20 years or so.


It's unlikely that you'd ever see a "million or so people" living somewhere
following anything.



Yeah, I was wondering where the data was on billions of people for
centuries too.

As another note regarding studies like this blood vessel one using
markers, I'm sure you heard in the last few days that another study
confirmed the study from a year or two ago that showed that simply
being overweight, but not obese, did not result in increased CHD or
cancer risk. My take on this is if they can't agree on such a basic
thing as whether being a bit over weight is good, bad, or neutral,
then what does that tell us about how reliable data extracted from
third order experiments using markers is going to be? I mean you
would think there would be plenty of data available on weight vs CHD,
etc and this issue would be irrefutable by now.


 




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