calories?

"Gary G" wrote in message
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I see...Well my system seems to do very well...When I was on Atkins I was
forced to drink Metamucil which I no longer need...As always YMMV...GG


I heard that some people have bowel problems on Atkins.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
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"Gary G" wrote in message
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Folks also died much younger than they do today...Not sure about your
assumptions but if it works for you that's all that matters...GG


What were you referring to? When you top post it's hard to
know.......?!?!?!

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
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"Tayra" wrote in message
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Lá~ká~ Wáná wrote:

Mankind has been on earth for several million years. Mankind has only
been eating grains for the past 2000 years. Grains are not a necessary
part of the human diet. Those following Atkins for many years are not
dropping dead due to a lack of grain in their diets.

Um. I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. If only beause the
ancient Egyptians.. as far back as 3000BC.. were eating grain breads and
brewing beer.

This may be true. But man was already living in cities and towns by then.
Before that time we were simple hunters/gatherers. There are still
societies that don't raise grains for food.


I mean, they've found the residue in tombs. They know it was there. I
can go look in my books if you want a specific example, altho given those
books are in storage it'd take me quite a while to dig them out and figure
out where best to pick exemplars.

No, don't bother. You are probably correct. I'm going by a show I saw on
PBS about ancient civilizations. They mentioned when man started to grow
grains and make them a regular part of their diet. I remember they saying
2000 years. It could be 4000 years but that was only SOME societies, and
only a moment in time since we've been here a few mil years. There are many
jungle tribes that never had access to grains. The people of the far north
(Eskimos and Inuits) had no grain. All I'm saying is grain is not necessary
for humans to consume.

But really. They were. The Greeks had bread too. And while the American
continents really aren't my forté, I'm pretty sure they were grinding corn
and grains to make tortilla-like breads back in the same epoch. That's
something that irritates me about people who freak out about genetically
modified veggies these days: all they're doing is speeding up the
selective breeding natives have been doing for thousands of years, it's
nothing we suddenly need to fear.

That doesn't bother me either. As long as the turnip doesn't have 4 little
feet and beady eyes - who cares? )

Bread isn't a modern invention. We started making it a really *really*
long time ago. Really.

See above. Before man lived in villages and cities he didn't grow grains.
As far as I know the Au aborigines didn't have access to grains either. I
love bread but it certainly not a necessary part of a human's diet.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
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"nanner" wrote in message
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no, no one can. and i am not sur eif somehting changed in me after having
my 2nd child but suddenly things became unbearable and i couldn't deal
with that WOE anymore after 6 years

Then it was time for a change. )

it's only abeen a week, i'm hoping for the best. i don't officially WI
till wednesday and i officially started on tuesday but i have seen the
scale go down 3 lbs

WOW!!! You're doing good. The most I lost was in the first two weeks,
actually about 17 days of low carbing = 9 lbs. That had to be mostly fluid.
Then 2 to 2 1/2 lbs a week, then it slowly dropped to 1 lb a week..... until
weight loss stopped altogether in the 6th month. That was about the time of
my accident. I stayed low-carbing and maintained for that year. But once
back on my feet low-carbing alone no longer worked. So now it's walking and
cutting calories. But even so, as you can see it's in fits and starts, not
a nice gradual loss as I enjoyed before.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
===================================

"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
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"Gary G" wrote in message
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Folks also died much younger than they do today...Not sure about your
assumptions but if it works for you that's all that matters...GG


What were you referring to? When you top post it's hard to
know.......?!?!?!



it seemed that he was referring to early man.

"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
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"Gary G" wrote in message
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I see...Well my system seems to do very well...When I was on Atkins I was
forced to drink Metamucil which I no longer need...As always YMMV...GG


I heard that some people have bowel problems on Atkins.



from what i understood, during the first phase, "Induction", when carbs are
most limited - usually a 2 week period - many people need to take some kind
of fiber supplement to stay regular. After the first phase, a wider variety
of foods are eaten and usually it's no longer a problem.

Yes, I think if it works for people then that's what they should do. Back
in the hunter gatherer days they didn't eat grain fed and chemically
processed meats like today so it's a silly argument to even imagine
comparing the human beings of today with those of thousands of years ago
since most intelligent people acknowledge a little thing called evolution.
Studies show that diets that include whole grains contribute to health and
well being - improving conditions like heart disease and diabetes. Eating
whole grains is perfectly healthy for most people except those with
allergies and conditions like celiac.

These days we're lucky to be aware of the nutritional value of foods and not
just worry about the energy value. Just because some of us advocate a well
balanced and healthy diet that includes things like whole grains doesn't say
Atkins is fatal.
No one except one poster is saying anything like Atkins followers drop dead
from their diet. Just another straw man exaggeration that makes
conversations with her more than annoying.
--
the volleyballchick

"Gary G" wrote in message
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Folks also died much younger than they do today...Not sure about your
assumptions but if it works for you that's all that matters...GG
"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
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"Nunya B." wrote in message
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Or spare us, really. I have yet to hear how the body can produce the
fiber and phytonutrients available in healthy whole grains.

Mankind has been on earth for several million years. Mankind has only
been eating grains for the past 2000 years. Grains are not a necessary
part of the human diet. Those following Atkins for many years are not
dropping dead due to a lack of grain in their diets.

The carb itself is
only part of the picture.
--
the volleyballchick

"Gary G" wrote in message
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Complex carbs are wonderful and I'm not sure why you would advise
against them...Maybe you can explain...GG
"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
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"nanner" wrote in message
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"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
I don't think there's any formula we can go by since we're all so
different and all live such different lifestyles. I consider myself
moderately active. I cannot eat over 1200c a day or I will not lose
weight. A more active or younger women may eat more and still lose.
A man would be different again. Keep in mind that carbs FATTEN
humans as well as animals so you may want to control your carb
intake no matter how many calories a day you consume.

yes, this i know. i was happy to find out that WW figured it out too
LOL that's why I finally came over to this side.


I think everyone is figuring it out. ) I myself was amazed to
learn we don't even require carbs to live. Our body can produce it's
own from protein. We get some in our low-carb veggies and fruit
anyway.

The mystery can be unraveled by reading the many diet and weight
loss websites out there.

That's what i will be doing, this is very new type of thinking for
me.


It was for me as well since I was never overweight until menopause and
thyroid problems hit me at the same time. Talk about a double whammy.

that's not the prob. i don't eat bread, will have moderate amounts of
whole wheat pasta, my carbier foods are plain oatmeal, corn, carrots,
onions and potatos, i eat loads of other veggies,

You can either cut out all these HIGH-carb foods mentioned above or
limit them severely. I eat cucumbers, celery, mushrooms, cabbage,
broccoli, cauliflower, string and wax beans, spinach, shard, turnip
greens and whatever LOW-carb veggie I find at the grocery store.

i don't eat fast food and i tended to
eat too much fatty meat vs lean meat (dark meat from poultry, lamb,
beef) i eat pretty well so it's hard to tweak. cheese is out for
now - i can't deal with low fat cheese

Dump the corn, pasta, oatmeal etc. These are all HIGH-carb foods that
you don't need if you're looking to lose weight.

Eat a lot of low-carb veggies and LEAN meats.

i am also eating alot of fruit, i've always had a sweet tooth and
hopefully i won't be sabotaging myself with the fruit but i see it as
a much better alternative to sugary treats (ice cream being the major
problem here)

Fruit is high in sugars (carbs). I would limit fruit to once a day.

your method seems rather random. we already know "eat less,
excercise more" works

In the end - that's what it really comes down to. But first you
would do well to have some idea of how many calories it takes *YOU*
to lose weight, then stay under that amount = weight loss! The more
you get out and walk the fater you will burn the fat.

i will ive and learn i suppose. tracking will help. i havea morning
and evening excercise routine and maybe after DS starts kindergarten
next week i wi'' be able to get out walking with DD.

Walk her to school if possible - then KEEP GOING!!! ) Wal-Mart
sells a pedometer for around $4 that's excellent and resets with the
push of a button. When I started walking again after my accident I
started with like 1/3 mile and worked up both in distance, grade and
speed.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
===================================

"Nunya B." wrote in message
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Yes, I think if it works for people then that's what they should do. Back
in the hunter gatherer days they didn't eat grain fed and chemically
processed meats like today so it's a silly argument ....


The point was human's don't NEED grain in their diets. We don't even need
to consume carbs as our body is capable of making it's own from protein.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
===================================

"nanner" wrote in message
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from what i understood, during the first phase, "Induction", when carbs
are most limited - usually a 2 week period - many people need to take some
kind of fiber supplement to stay regular. After the first phase, a wider
variety of foods are eaten and usually it's no longer a problem.

I never did the 2 week induction so that wasn't a problem for me. I wanted
to see if I'd lose weight anyway. I did.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
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"Goomba38" wrote in message
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nanner wrote:
"Lá~ká~ Wáná" wrote in message
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"Gary G" wrote in message
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Folks also died much younger than they do today...Not sure about your
assumptions but if it works for you that's all that matters...GG

What were you referring to? When you top post it's hard to
know.......?!?!?!



it seemed that he was referring to early man.

I'll pipe in with my two cents here also. Top posting as well as failure
to not trim up the quotes is very annoying

i didn't top post - i can't stand that either. this group doesn't seem to
mind so i may have been more lax then usual though