Does dieting work?

friend Marilyn Mann wrote:

http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/...eveal-can.html

http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/...eveal-can.html

Interesting discussion of studies of diet and/or exercise as a
treatment for overweight and obesity. Bottom line: no such program
has been shown to work in the long-term except in a tiny percentage of
people.

Correct.

Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is neither diet nor exercise:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/EatLess

Moreover, it has helped more than 625,550 overweight people achieve
clinically significant sustained weight loss. The latter is defined
as more than 10% body weight for more than 5 years:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/2PD-OMER

Illustrative case example:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Healing

This completely Free Approach comes with free cardiologist support via
usenet plus an unprecedented two million dollar guarantee whose
details have been freely posted and discussed in sci.med.cardiology as
archived by Google:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Guarantee

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
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friend Marilyn Mann wrote:

http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/...eveal-can.html

http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/...eveal-can.html

Interesting discussion of studies of diet and/or exercise as a
treatment for overweight and obesity. Bottom line: no such program
has been shown to work in the long-term except in a tiny percentage of
people.


Horse****. Exercise works for those who aren't lazy and dieting works for
those who have will power. It's the power of the mind Chung, you have a
weak constitution!

My father was 5'10, 210 pounds in 2001, he was 61 years old then. He
started a diet and exercise regiment around that time and as a result of
walking 4 miles per day, eating properly and staying away from the 2 pound
diet, he lost 40 pounds in one year and has maintained that weight for six
years. He is ALSO a doctor, who has a job no less! His colesterol also
dropped from 239 to 142 with the help of a statin, he was on the drug for
three years and has been off for three (level stayed the same after he went
off.) You need to brush up a bit Dr. Chung, quackery is not tolerable under
any circumstances.



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On Dec 29, 3:53*pm, "Seth Barton" wrote:

Interesting discussion of studies of diet and/or exercise as a
treatment for overweight and obesity. *Bottom line: *no such program
has been shown to work in the long-term except in a tiny percentage of
people.


Exercise works for those who aren't lazy and dieting works for
those who have will power.

It's the power of the mind Chung, you have a
weak constitution!

I was the source of the original post, not Dr. Chung.

I did not say dieting does not work. I said it does not work in the
long-term in the vast majority of people. People can lose weight with
any number of diets, but the vast majority of them gain it back. Your
father is one of those exceptional people who has been able to keep
from regaining the weight he lost.

I don't think doctors should prescribe medical interventions that only
work in rare cases.

I think it's probably fine for doctors to encourage their patients to
exercise and eat a healthy diet, but those are things that have
benefit separate and apart from weight loss.

Marilyn

"Marilyn Mann" wrote in message
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On Dec 29, 3:53 pm, "Seth Barton" wrote:

Interesting discussion of studies of diet and/or exercise as a
treatment for overweight and obesity. Bottom line: no such program
has been shown to work in the long-term except in a tiny percentage of
people.


Exercise works for those who aren't lazy and dieting works for
those who have will power.

It's the power of the mind Chung, you have a
weak constitution!

I was the source of the original post, not Dr. Chung.

I did not say dieting does not work. I said it does not work in the
long-term in the vast majority of people. People can lose weight with
any number of diets, but the vast majority of them gain it back. Your
father is one of those exceptional people who has been able to keep
from regaining the weight he lost.

I don't think doctors should prescribe medical interventions that only
work in rare cases.

I think it's probably fine for doctors to encourage their patients to
exercise and eat a healthy diet, but those are things that have
benefit separate and apart from weight loss.

Marilyn


Yeah, actually I caught that but I still stand by what I said about Chung!
You're right, my father is exceptionally strong when it comes to such
matters, unfortunately that was not passed down to me, at least, not all of
it! Most diets ARE ****, especially without adding some form of exercise.
Now I'm not talking about climbing Everest but walking a few miles a day,
for a middle-aged person, does the body a power of good. You sleep better,
feel better and even look better.

Apologies for mistaking you for Chung and Happy New Year.



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"Zen Cohen" wrote in message
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in
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Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is neither diet nor exercise:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/EatLess

Moreover, it has helped more than 625,550 overweight people achieve
clinically significant sustained weight loss. The latter is defined
as more than 10% body weight for more than 5 years:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/2PD-OMER

Illustrative case example:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Healing

This completely Free Approach comes with free cardiologist support via
usenet plus an unprecedented two million dollar guarantee whose
details have been freely posted and discussed in sci.med.cardiology as
archived by Google:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Guarantee

Andrew, you have long been touting "625,550 overweight people achiev[ing]
clinically significant sustained weight loss" and an "unprecedented two
million dollar guarantee" but have failed to provide any credible support
for these assertions. (BTW, your own website only claims a $1 million
guarantee.) If they are indeed groundless, your state medical board can
disclipline you for making "false, deceptive or misleading" statements.
This, combined with the fact that your mental state might have rendered
you unfit to practice medicine, and your telling posters that they may be
suffering serious diseases simply because you don't like what they say, is
providing a strong basis for loss or suspension of your license.

Rules defining unprofessional physician conduct in GA (note rules 13-14,
18-20 in particular): http://rules.sos.state.ga.us/docs/360/3/02.pdf
Complaints:
http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/00/c...513604,00.html


Well said.



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On Dec 29, 9:33 pm, "Seth Barton"
"Zen Cohen"
oviding a strong basis for loss or suspension of your license.

Rules defining unprofessional physician conduct in GA (note rules 13-14,
18-20 in particular):http://rules.sos.state.ga.us/docs/360/3/02.pdf
Complaints:
http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/00/c...,26729866_2751...

Well said.

Well, has anyone actually reported him yet?

Perhaps all those worried about people coming to this site and
actually believing Chung, rather than only responding here, should
report him - the more complaints the better.

Lets here from all those who have reported him so far

On Dec 30, 12:09 am, "Zen Cohen" wrote:
"J666" wrote in message

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On Dec 29, 9:33 pm, "Seth Barton"
"Zen Cohen"
oviding a strong basis for loss or suspension of your license.

Rules defining unprofessional physician conduct in GA (note rules
13-14,
18-20 in particular):http://rules.sos.state.ga.us/docs/360/3/02.pdf
Complaints:
http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/00/c...,26729866_2751...

Well said.

Well, has anyone actually reported him yet?

Perhaps all those worried about people coming to this site and
actually believing Chung, rather than only responding here, should
report him - the more complaints the better.

Lets here from all those who have reported him so far

My understanding is that at least one complaint was lodged and later
dismissed.

If one is going to complain it is important to look at the rules governing
Chung's professional conduct and point to specific examples of how he has
violated them. Pointing out his wacky religious views or the fact that he's
not a nice person is not enough (nor should it be). But I think he crosses
the line, for example, when those religious views form the basis for unsound
medical advice, or when he makes false or misleading claims about the
effectiveness of his diet.

I'm considering filing a complaint, but if I do I want to make a reasonably
effective case, and doing so will take some time. I have not been collecting
examples of misconduct, so I'd need to google his postings and (re)locate
them, then write the complaint. His misleading statements about his diet are
in his sig line and website so that's not hard to do, but his telling
posters they are or may be seriously ill in retaliation for disagreeing with
him might be hard to dig up, given his thousands of posts per year. (If
anyone can email me links to such posts I'd appreciate it.)

I'm also hesitant to file a complaint because it is not something that
should be taken lightly. As much as I dislike Andy for his asinine and mean
behavior, that alone is not a valid reason to file a complaint -- AFAIC it
has to be because he is likely to harm someone. While I don't think many
people take him seriously, there are probably some gullible people lurking
in the newsgroups and who associate with him in his religious circles and
are taken by the fact that he's an MD, thus are more willing to listen to
him. Is his 2-lb diet or something else he might advise based on his crazy
religious beliefs potentially going to hurt them? Dunno, but that's probably
a good question for the medical professionals on the board to decide.

Certainly anyone with a measurable IQ will dismiss his absurd,
insanity and/or troll based "hunger is good" and "discerning" and Holy
Spirit convicting and misquoting and made up scripture quotes babble.
The few that might, will believe all the charlatans and quacks and
probably do not take care of themselves as it is.

So report him, do futile battle with him, post warnings, "play" with
him or move on to tackle other problems.

On Dec 30, 7:07*am, J666 wrote:
On Dec 30, 12:09 am, "Zen Cohen" wrote:





"J666" wrote in message

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On Dec 29, 9:33 pm, "Seth Barton"
"Zen Cohen"
oviding a strong basis for loss or suspension of your license.

Rules defining unprofessional physician conduct in GA (note rules
13-14,
18-20 in particular):http://rules.sos.state.ga.us/docs/360/3/02.pdf
Complaints:
http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/00/c...,26729866_2751...

Well said.

Well, has anyone actually reported him yet?

Perhaps all those worried about people coming to this site and
actually believing Chung, rather than only responding here, should
report him - the more complaints the better.

Lets here from all those who have reported him so far

My understanding is that at least one complaint was lodged and later
dismissed.

If one is going to complain it is important to look at the rules governing
Chung's professional conduct and point to specific examples of how he has
violated them. Pointing out his wacky religious views or the fact that he's
not a nice person is not enough (nor should it be). But I think he crosses
the line, for example, when those religious views form the basis for unsound
medical advice, or when he makes false or misleading claims about the
effectiveness of his diet.

I'm considering filing a complaint, but if I do I want to make a reasonably
effective case, and doing so will take some time. I have not been collecting
examples of misconduct, so I'd need to google his postings and (re)locate
them, then write the complaint. His misleading statements about his diet are
in his sig line and website so that's not hard to do, but his telling
posters they are or may be seriously ill in retaliation for disagreeing with
him might be hard to dig up, given his thousands of posts per year. (If
anyone can email me links to such posts I'd appreciate it.)

I'm also hesitant to file a complaint because it is not something that
should be taken lightly. As much as I dislike Andy for his asinine and mean
behavior, that alone is not a valid reason to file a complaint -- AFAIC it
has to be because he is likely to harm someone. While I don't think many
people take him seriously, there are probably some gullible people lurking
in the newsgroups and who associate with him in his religious circles and
are taken by the fact that he's an MD, thus are more willing to listen to
him. Is his 2-lb diet or something else he might advise based on his crazy
religious beliefs potentially going to hurt them? Dunno, but that's probably
a good question for the medical professionals on the board to decide.

Certainly anyone with a measurable IQ will dismiss his absurd,
insanity and/or troll based "hunger is good" and "discerning" and Holy
Spirit convicting and misquoting and made up scripture quotes babble.
The few that might, will believe all the charlatans and quacks and
probably do not take care of themselves as it is.

So report him, do futile battle with him, post warnings, "play" with
him or move on to tackle other problems.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The good doctor is a Jesus freak, so he sees as the cure for
everything. dkw

I'm also hesitant to file a complaint because it is not something that
should be taken lightly. As much as I dislike Andy for his asinine and mean
behavior, that alone is not a valid reason to file a complaint -- AFAIC it
has to be because he is likely to harm someone. While I don't think many
people take him seriously, there are probably some gullible people lurking
in the newsgroups and who associate with him in his religious circles and
are taken by the fact that he's an MD, thus are more willing to listen to
him. Is his 2-lb diet or something else he might advise based on his crazy
religious beliefs potentially going to hurt them? Dunno, but that's probably
a good question for the medical professionals on the board to decide.

Why do you want to waste your time......Anyone with an IQ approaching
room temperature just ignores him with a shake of their head(if they're
silly enough to even open his posts)......

Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt.
--Iblis Ginjo,
The Landscape of Humanity