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Old January 27th, 2004, 07:42 PM
Dawn Taylor
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:22:48 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
announced in front of God and everybody:

If you're anything like me -- it really just comes from loving ice cream.
If you like that stuff, it's its own trigger.


Before the Breyer's CarbSmart ice cream, I'd have said the same thing
-- ice cream has always been a major downfall for me.

But for some reason I can eat a small portion of the CarbSmart stuff
and not only does it not trigger cravings, I'm genuinely satisfied
with one scoop. This is such a new thing for me, after a lifetime
(literally) of having no control around ice cream, that I boggle over
it every time I have some.

I'm steering clear of the Endulge, though, after Peter's post. Yikes.
I've never tried it and now I'm pretty sure I ought not.

Dawn
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Old January 27th, 2004, 08:00 PM
Dawn Taylor
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:05:19 -0500, Myway
announced in front of God and everybody:

Russell Stover low-carb candies is about the same for me, spouse loves
them and can eat only one per week, not me! I have to stay away from
them completely. Brings back the old "sugar monkey" feelings. lol


I love their mint patties and yeah, I could probably go overboard on
them. It's my terror of the intense intestinal distress that I suffer
if I eat more than two or three that keeps me in check!

Dawn

  #23  
Old January 27th, 2004, 08:10 PM
Linda Harms
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In article , ignoramus14140
@NOSPAM.14140.invalid says...



Consider this Atkins Endulge chocolate bar:

### Atkins Endulge Chocolate Crunch Candy Bar Here's a sweet reward for
### all your healthy eating!


This is the part that bothers me. My life-long problems with food have
their roots in the way my family used food as a reward -- or the
withholding of it as punishment. I'll bet there are many in this ng who
can identify with that.

I think it's important for those of us who are trying to change our
relationships with food to break the link between sweet-tasting foods
and "reward." We need to find better ways to reward ourselves.

--
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Linda Harms
New York, NY

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5
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Old January 27th, 2004, 08:12 PM
Dawn Taylor
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:42:24 -0500, "carla"
announced in front of God and everybody:

One's default assumption should always be that
anything posted is opinion. Any alternative is just too disturbing to
contemplate. (Who would treat something as absolute truth merely because
it lacks a goofy "IMHO" tag?)


That's simply not true, any more than it is in face-to-face
conversation. ESPECIALLY in a newsgroup where nutrition advice is
being bandied about -- it's important to make it clear when you're
sharing what you believe to be facts vs. bald-faced opinion.

Now, Iggie's remark about "never eat junk food, period" is pretty
obviously opinion. But still ... some newbie could stumble across his
remark early in the game and think this was some sort of hard-and-fast
low-carb rule.

In my opinion. :-)

Dawn

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Old January 27th, 2004, 08:54 PM
Cynthia Perry
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:05:19 -0500, Myway wrote:

Roger Zoul wrote:

If you're anything like me -- it really just comes from loving ice cream.
If you like that stuff, it's its own trigger.

marengo wrote:
::
:: I'm not quite sure which ingredient caused the cravings, but I know
:: I have to avoid it in the future. Back to my plain meat and
:: vegetables, and occassional sugar-free popsicle (I can eat just one
:: of those with no trouble!)


Russell Stover low-carb candies is about the same for me, spouse loves
them and can eat only one per week, not me! I have to stay away from
them completely. Brings back the old "sugar monkey" feelings. lol

Myway



I ate ONE once... just to try it. My god... almost instant discomfort
and trips to the bathroom. You couldn't pay me to eat another in this
lifetime!

Cynthia
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Old January 27th, 2004, 09:26 PM
Dawn Taylor
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On 27 Jan 2004 19:42:09 GMT, Ignoramus14140
announced in front of God and
everybody:

In article , Dawn Taylor wrote:
Now, Iggie's remark about "never eat junk food, period" is pretty
obviously opinion. But still ... some newbie could stumble across his
remark early in the game and think this was some sort of hard-and-fast
low-carb rule.


Would these dieters be hurt if they followed my suggestion?


Well, perhaps. After years of carb addiciton and bad choices, they may
find themselves miserable and unable to stick to the WOE long enough
for their habits to adjust without a treat now and then. They may give
up right out of the gate because they think they can't ever have
chocolate (which you classify as "junk food") or have a protein bar
for lunch when they don't have the time to do anything else.

Some people, like it or not, need the occasional psychological
crutches of low-carb ice cream and sugar-free candy and crunchy Hey!
It's Just Cheese! snacks to support the rest of the healthy changes
they've made. And some of us just like to eat a wide range of food,
from perfectly cooked pork loin and gorgonzola-studded green beans to
the occasional handful of Pumpkorn. Food is about more than simple
fueling of the body -- it brings pleasure, too. The goal is to
integrate the pleasure and the healthy choices.

Basically, not saying "in my opinion" sometimes means erroneous
information couched as fact, especially if someone doesn't have the
context of knowing your cranky, plain-spoken, often incorrect ways .
Many people can incorporate low-carb "junk food" -- in moderation --
into their diet and do just fine.

Dawn

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Old January 28th, 2004, 01:42 AM
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:42:51 -0800, Dawn Taylor
wrote:

But for some reason I can eat a small portion of the CarbSmart stuff
and not only does it not trigger cravings, I'm genuinely satisfied
with one scoop. This is such a new thing for me, after a lifetime
(literally) of having no control around ice cream, that I boggle over
it every time I have some.

I have had *exactly* the same experience and it is really incredible,
isn't it? I used to eat pints (and more) of ice cream, but a couple
of spoonfuls of the CarbSmart and I'm satisfied and no wild cravings
afterwards. Unbelievable.

I'm steering clear of the Endulge, though, after Peter's post. Yikes.
I've never tried it and now I'm pretty sure I ought not.

I have not had any problems with the Atkin's ice cream, but it is so
much more expensive and not nearly as good as they Breyer's that I
can't see ever buying it again.

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Old January 28th, 2004, 01:47 AM
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Ignoramus14140 wrote:

In article , Dawn Taylor wrote:
Now, Iggie's remark about "never eat junk food, period" is pretty
obviously opinion. But still ... some newbie could stumble across his
remark early in the game and think this was some sort of hard-and-fast
low-carb rule.


Would these dieters be hurt if they followed my suggestion?

i


Not if they can follow it. Otherwise, an absolutely rigid
approach may make LCing seem just totally impossible.
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Jean B.
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Old January 28th, 2004, 02:14 PM
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"Ignoramus14140" wrote in message
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In article , carla wrote:

marengo wrote in message
s.com...
"Ignoramus18248" wrote in message
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| Never eat junk food period. I find it disgusting that Atkins got into
| junk food peddling. What a shame.
|
Please add IMHO (In My Humble Opinion) to statements that are just your
opinion and not n, thanks. It's proper netiquette.

It's also redundant. One's default assumption should always be that
anything posted is opinion. Any alternative is just too disturbing to
contemplate. (Who would treat something as absolute truth merely

because
it lacks a goofy "IMHO" tag?)

On the topic, there's been a great deal of discussion here (some of

which I
am sure you've seen) about the extent to which sugar alcohols spike

blood
sugar. While I don't share Ignoramus's draconian (and authoritarian and
downright nosy) attitudes about what other people should eat, I have

been
afraid to try any products with sugar alcohols. Having read repeatedly

that

Carla, while I respect your opinion, how is not eating junk food
draconian? I eat (and approve of) the entire universe of foods, sans
junk food and sugar. That's hardly draconian, it is simply
common sense.

some snippage

I don't know you well enough to know whether you are being deliberately
disingenuous. I have to assume that you know full well that your issuing
absolute edicts frequently irritates people on this newsgroup. *You* never
touch a piece of "junk food" (by some unspecified definition) - how nice for
you. For most people though, I don't think a scoop of Atkins ice cream here
or there - or even a piece of *gasp* real chocolate - is going to cause
problems.

Anyway, that's the part that I think is draconian; it's unnecessary to be so
absolute, about diet or anything else. Oh yes, In My Opinion of course.

It's not even clear to me, what qualilfies as "junk" to you? Clearly
products sold in stores like candy bars, ice cream, etc. fall into that
category. What about the ice cream I make at home with cream, berries, and
splenda? is that "junk"? How about my low-carb pancakes made with protein
powder? You don't have to answer these questions, though I am curious. I
can tell you right now that even if you deem them "junk" I am not going to
stop eating them. There are limits to how many restrictions I can put on my
diet if I want a sustainable plan. This is probably true for most people.

carla




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Old January 28th, 2004, 02:17 PM
carla
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"Ignoramus14140" wrote in message
...
In article m, marengo

wrote:


"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...

| Learn the difference between a suggestion and a commandment. Do you
honestly
| think Peter needs you to command to him that he "never eat junk food
| period." Do you think he'll pay any attention to you?
|
| You just amaze me.
|
The ironic thing is that I have just lost 30 (yes, now thirty!) pounds

in
the past six weeks - since December 15th. I would love to see

Ignoramus'
weight loss for the same period. It's amusing to me that he's telling

me
how and what to eat.


Since december 15, I lost about 3 lbs. I am at normal weight and have
very modest weight goals for 2004, to lose 10-15 lbs of fat and gain 5
lbs of muscle. I hope to not go below 165 lbs in 2004.

I am curious though, you lost 30 lbs in six weeks, that's 5 lbs per
week. Such rapid weight loss may have some negative consequences.
Perhaps it is worth trying to do it a bit slower or do some health
checks etc.

It's unfortunate that he expresses himself so caustically and

arrogantly. I
think that he probably has the same basic ideas about eating that most

of us
do; he's just annoying in the way he presents his ideas. I agree with

him
that we shouldn't make a steady diet of just junk food, however, he is

wrong
in making a blanket statement that seemingly should apply to all people

all
the time. We are not lower animals, like dogs, who can happily eat

nothing
but the same dog food day in and day out. We need a variety in our

diets
and occassionally enjoy something pleasurable.


I agree with you in that I express my opinion in a somewhat extreme
manner. I mean, a junk food bar per month does not kill anyone.

Ig, I am glad to hear you say this. I mean that sincerely and without
sarcasm.

The reason for me expressing my opinion on this matter in such a
manner, is that I want it to be a little shocking, so that it is
remembered. There are too many people who think that low carbing means
switching from regular junk food to LC labeled junk food.

To those people, a message needs to have a bit of shock value to get
through so much denial.

So long as you understand that such an approach may also have the effect of
causing some people to ignore you. They might think, "That guy's a fanatic,
I could never be that strict with myself because [a whole host of reasons,
some of which you might find legitimate and others not]."

carla




 




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