Atkins Bagels

Jenny wrote:
X,

What your missing is this: you can only subtract the fiber carbs
from the total carbs if they haven't already been subtracted from
the label by the manufacturer.

That's because true fiber, though it is treated as a carb for
labeling, has almost no calories.

When you add up the calories that come from fat and protein and
subtract them from the total, you end up with the number of calories
that come from carbs. There are roughly 4 calories for every gram
of DIGESTIBLE carb and 0 for every gram of fiber.

So if a portion of food has 20 calories that come from
carbohydrate, that means it has 5 grams of carbs and anywhere from 0
to 10 grams of fiber. If you see a food that has 20 calories not
coming from fat and protein which claims it has 5 grams of carbs and
5 grams of fiber, you know that the fiber has already been deducted,
because some real carbohydrate has to be contributing that 20
calories--fiber does not contribute calories.

And since 1 gram of digestible carbohydrates contributes 4 calories
you can always estimate the grams of real carbs by looking at the
calories derived from carbohydrate.

(Also, sugar alcohols contribute anywhere from 3 real calories of
carbohydrate for a gram of maltitol, to less than 2 calories for
Lacitol, to less than 1 calorie for Erythritol)
-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2
diabetes, hba1c 5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
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"X" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:38:55 -0500, "Jenny"
wrote:

Stargazer,

Based on the nutritional info you supplied for the bagels, the
fiber has already been deducted and the true carb count is 18.
You've been scammed..

If you multiply the given protein grams by 4 and the fat grams by
9 you get the number of non-carbohydrate calories accounted for.
Subtract this from the total calories given, and you get the
calories from carbs. If you divide the calories from carbs by 4
you get the grams of non-fiber carb.

Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190,

fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5) == 40.5 calories from fat
protein 20g ==80 calories from protein

Total non-carb calories 120.5.

Carb calories (total 190 - total non-carb calories) =69.5

Carb grams (calories divided by 4) = 17.375.


I thought you could subtract fiber from the carb count and get net
carbs.

17.375 grams of carbs - 11 grams fiber = 6.375 net grams of carbs.

or am I missing something.


X

You know that's just bloody bull****. It ****es me off. How the hell do we
let these people get away with such things.
I "thought" that the food labels are supposed to be frickin accurate by law!
Total carbs should mean digestible carbs + fibre! Now i'll have to take a
fricken calculator EVERY TIME I BLOODY WELL SHOP!
AM I THE ONLY ONE ****ED OFF ABOUT THIS????????????

*sigh* thanks for listening.
monica
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Plain Bagels
Serving Size: 1 bagel
Total Servings: 6
Net Carbs: 7 grams
Qty. Per Product: one bag of six bagels Amount Per Serving:
Calories: 190
Calories from fat: 70



Product Info
For those controlling their carbs, count only 7 grams of the 18 grams of the
total carbs in this product. Subtract fiber (11g), which has a minimal
impact on blood sugar.

If purchased frozen, keep frozen until ready to use. Once thawed, keep
refrigerated so you can enjoy the taste for 5-7 days.



%DV

Total Fat 4.5 g 7%
Saturated Fat 0.5 g 3%

Cholesterol 0 mg 0%

Sodium 310 mg 13%

Potassium %

Total Carbohydrate 18 g 6%
Dietary Fiber 11 g 44%
Sugars 0 g %

Protein 20 g 40%

Calcium 4%
Iron 2%
Niacin 4%
Riboflavin 4%
Thiamin 2%
Vitamin A 0%
Vitamin C 0%
Folate 0%



Ingredients:
Water, Wheat Protein, Enriched Wheat Flour (Flour, Barley Malt,
Ferrous Sulfate (Iron), Niacin, Thiamin Mononitrate (B-1), Riboflavin (B-2),
Folic Acid), Corn Starch, Inulin, Wheat Fiber, Soybean Oil, Soy Flour, Yeast
Salt, Natural and Artificial Flavors, Lecithin, Citric Acid, Calcium
Propionate (to preserve freshness), L-Cysteine, Sucralose (Splenda Brand
Non-Nutritive Sweetener), Ascorbic Acid, Cornmeal.



Are we saying this is a lie?
http://atkins.com/shop/products/Atki...y_Bagels.html# click on
nutritional info

Craig M.

"Jenny" wrote in message
...
Stargazer,

Based on the nutritional info you supplied for the bagels, the fiber has
already been deducted and the true carb count is 18. You've been
scammed..

If you multiply the given protein grams by 4 and the fat grams by 9 you
get
the number of non-carbohydrate calories accounted for. Subtract this from
the total calories given, and you get the calories from carbs. If you
divide the calories from carbs by 4 you get the grams of non-fiber carb.

Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190,

fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5) == 40.5 calories from fat
protein 20g ==80 calories from protein

Total non-carb calories 120.5.

Carb calories (total 190 - total non-carb calories) =69.5

Carb grams (calories divided by 4) = 17.375.


Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c
5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm



"Stargazer" wrote in message
...
My local Food World (grocery chain) started carrying these yesterday. I
took a look at them, and was pleased by the nutrition label and
ingredient
list, so I bought some of the plain ones. Tried one last night, toasted
and
with butter - and liked it very much! They're softer than regular
bagels,
but still toast well.

The claimed net carbs on them (7g) are true net carbs (total minus
fiber,
no
sugar alcohols). 18g total and 11g fiber, so a good source of fiber
(and
for me a good occasional alternative to flaxseed and nuts as my primary
dietary fiber sources - and with that much fiber, a built-in natural
deterrent for any temptation I might have to eat more than one a day
too,
g).

Cost was $5 for a pack of 6. Nutrition label info (for the plain
variety):
Serving size 1 bagel, calories 190, fat 4.5 (sat fat 0.5), sodium 310mg,
total carb 18g, fiber 11g, sugars 0g, protein 20g.

Ingredients (for the plain): Water, wheat protein, enriched wheat
flour,
corn starch, inulin, wheat fiber, soybean oil, soy flour, yeast, salt,
natural and artificial flavors, lecithin, citric acid, calcium
propionate
(preservative), cysteine, splenda, and cornmeal.