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NYNY - Fred - Dec 10th
You're right, of course.
I've had additional thoughts on this, this afternoon while I was walking the lake... I think that _I_ and maybe some of the others have started to substitute the REWARD of weightloss - seeing the scale drop, for food, itself. There is that positive glow when the scale shows a loss. Now, there should be a time when that is not necessary and I should not substitute the "weighloss reward" for the food reward. The reward should be holding steady and feeling good. This is a new thought and (g) not definitely well-thought out just yet. But it did get me wondering. After all, even at WW meetings, Maintainers/Lifetimers no longer get recognition. No little stars or magnets or..... You just plug on along. Just musing............ On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:01:24 -0000, "krys" wrote: hey hey hey - down is down - and thus good. and what other people think is never the issue - it's all about how you feel about yourself........and no-one can tell you to feel different than you do. A million people can tell me I look good as I am - but I still want to lose that weight for me.......... |
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NYNY - Fred - Dec 10th
I just can't help myself, and pouncing is in the feline nature, Lee
Fred wrote in message ... I thought about that word as I posted but I decided to let it go - you pounced!!!! (G) On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:16:31 -0600, "Miss Violette" wrote: briefs??? hhhmmmm, not boxers??? Lee, snickering and hiding Fred wrote in message .. . I do not do it without a shirt - well, maybe when I get to the top and have to take off my drenched shirt. But it is brief!!!! Now, clean up those thoughts! (G) On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:58:01 -0800, "Brenda Hammond" wrote: Isn't it though? Fred in tight biking shorts, no shirt, rotating arms rapidly in circles....get a picture for us! "Prairie Roots" wrote in message .. . Now that's a vision.... On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:57:03 -0800, Fred wrote: I'm getting my "windmill" in shape - rotate arms rapidly in circles.... Prairie Roots 232/170.8/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003 |
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NYNY - Fred - Dec 10th
this is interesting to me, a topic well worth thinking about, Lee
Fred wrote in message ... You're right, of course. I've had additional thoughts on this, this afternoon while I was walking the lake... I think that _I_ and maybe some of the others have started to substitute the REWARD of weightloss - seeing the scale drop, for food, itself. There is that positive glow when the scale shows a loss. Now, there should be a time when that is not necessary and I should not substitute the "weighloss reward" for the food reward. The reward should be holding steady and feeling good. This is a new thought and (g) not definitely well-thought out just yet. But it did get me wondering. After all, even at WW meetings, Maintainers/Lifetimers no longer get recognition. No little stars or magnets or..... You just plug on along. Just musing............ On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:01:24 -0000, "krys" wrote: hey hey hey - down is down - and thus good. and what other people think is never the issue - it's all about how you feel about yourself........and no-one can tell you to feel different than you do. A million people can tell me I look good as I am - but I still want to lose that weight for me.......... |
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NYNY - Fred - Dec 10th
I've only just tried sushi for the first time this past year. I would
probably eat it again, just not very often. "Fred" wrote in message ... On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:56:36 -0800, "Brenda Hammond" wrote: "Fred" wrote in message .. . I may try whole wheat pasta again but I never cared for it. There is something "wrong" with its mouth feel. I agree. The whole wheat pasta didn't do much for me either. I would probably try it again sometime, but prefer plain pasta. It's best that I don't discover another pasta anyway (g) But a few weeks back we tried the Japanese buckwheat noodles. Fine stuff. Soba, I think. I could not find pure buckwheat - most had flour in them. I will hit the real Japanese market soon - I need eel with black beans (G) And Mackeral in teriaki sauce - both "fancy sardines!" Oooh, some other "strange" foods I've never tried. Eel and black beans sounds interesting. I've eaten mackeral once, but found it really oily. Is it normally very oily? How about when it's in teriyaki sauce? Well, I think mackeral is an acquired taste. At the sushi place it is not favored and yet I save it for the end as my "dessert!" The sushi chef likes it, too, but thinks making it dessert a bit odd. I like it because it HAS TASTE! (G) In the Teriaki sauce (canned from Japan) it is great stuff. I actually would purchase 12 cans a few times a year and send them down to my dad in Tucson who loved the stuff (G) On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:51:43 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote: Maybe my pasta trick might work for you. Or tricks. I love pasta with some things, like the chicken randazzo. I weigh out TWO dry ounces of whole wheat pasta. I overcook it just a tad (it nearly tastes like pasta this way) I add chopped zucchini or tatuma squash to my sauce for volume on the plate. Those three things knock the heck out of a very very satisfying very large serving of pasta, which still rings my bell on some occations. And yes. I take home half, or share a serving with Ma. And cherry tomatoes and carrot sticks take up space on the plate so my chips servings are much smaller and weighed. I love desserts too, but I go for a tiny something sweet at least once a day, as opposed to larger and less frequent. I don't do well with delayed gratification "Fred" wrote in message .. . I think that I'm developing my way of life. It probably may be too routine but it works. I have my meals down and while I do not measure everything (fish, shrimp, chicken), I do measure beef and cheese (on the rare blue cheese occasions) and lamb and nuts. Lunches are also standards at this point. When I do go out to eat, I have gotten very use to taking about half home (or on road trips, to the cooler). I don't seem to have the same driven cravenings for potato chips on the drives home from work and do not snack on cheese like I use to. Desserts still have my name on them. Which explains the Costco chocolate cake and now the fruit cake. But I am trying to limit those indulgences to once a week. Snacking on a lot of dried fruits but trying to limit them but sometimes that dried mango takes over. PORTION control has definitely been a prime driver. I use to eat a ton, almost an entire package of 12 (dried) ozs of pasta as dinner. Now I really don't do that since potatoes have built-in portion control. And I do kasha and make sure I come close to a one cup serving. But it does not have the same calling pasta did. I like kasha a lot but it does not seem to demand to be overeaten. I really have to do bulghur again, too. I have some but like the kasha. Breakfasts are also not measured very often. I should probably get a handle on a cup of whatever again, just for control. We just have to remember that we have a problem and unlike alcohol (I never did much) or cigarettes (never), food cannot simply be avoided. So we need to keep HOPING and working on it. I do lose it like Prairie with Miss Meringues but they are more kindly than losing it with real ice cream or cheese. And I do force a late night pickle down rather than more POINTS of any other kind. On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:49:08 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote: Yesterday we went out to lunch, which we frequently do when babysitting DGD, since then the cafeteria she loves has to clean up the mess. My Ma loves fried anything. So do I, but you know how often I eat that sort of thing (same as any of us). We bought the lunch special plate of chicken fried chicken breast. There is not any skin, but there is a nice crunchy fried whatever all over it. I also got a vegetable plate, which has 3 veggies. I got mac and cheese (guess who loves that) canned corn (ditto) and green beans. Then when we got to table, I cut the chicken into 3 pieces, put about 2 T of mac and cheese, 2 T of corn, all the green beans and a third of the chicken on my plate. I really figured I would be up a pound this morning, but still nice ole 157. I think this whole thing is about portion control with the high calorie/fat/sugar items, and liberal servings of 0 point items for satiety and crunch (the chew factor) and this becomes not so hard. Are you also finding maintenance not as difficult as it was at first? I am! I hope that lasts! "Fred" wrote in message .. . That is well put. I have been UP there now twice. So I know what's possible. But I also know I have a lot more tools as far as food consumption. Now, attitude, mood, spirit, whatever might have more power behind it then just the tools. So it will need constant monitoring and vigilance. I wish us all the best of luck and discipline. On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:32:12 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote: Gotta tell you, I don't understand what your sister said. Do you think she meant that when you get to 155, you will want to weigh less than that? Yes, that is what she meant. That each time I move the line down for "safety" I might want to move it down just a bit further so that I draw a new safety line and don't approach the OLD one - like 164, oh, well, 160, hmm, 158..... 155, 154?. So maybe shooting for 155 should be just a rough idea and hovering now would be fine. Up a pound down a pound. I know the rules. I occasionally break the rules but not really as I quickly try reining it back in. Like purchasing a Costco Fruitcake today (g) It is sliced and frozen save the one piece I have already eaten. And I probably "chawed" half a bag of gummy bears last night and these are not tiny bags. Just this part, clipped the rest. I can see myself not ever being "done" just from the terror of going the other way. I am going to set my "back to journalin" number at 160, and let it be. I too have not been journaling this past week and I am at a new low. I think this just takes daily weigh ins, and a willingness to go back on program when the one sixes show, and hanging around here to keep the focus. I really have a hard time believing this. I was somewhere yesterday and someone I did not know well said something that caused me to say something about being fat They looked at me and said, "YOU AREN'T FAT!" I had to laugh I forgot. I'm not. |
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NYNY - Fred - Dec 10th
This looks very sane to me, this w.l. reward substitute for the food reward.
I am 156 on my scale this morning and was frankly delighted because I can go to the meeting this morning and get a nice low weight for the end of this year on my card. But my goal, my real goal, is to stay between 155 and 160 so I am there. I think I am going to need to set myself up some sort of positive reinforcement for staying Still. I sure do feel great, gotta tell ya. "Fred" wrote in message ... You're right, of course. I've had additional thoughts on this, this afternoon while I was walking the lake... I think that _I_ and maybe some of the others have started to substitute the REWARD of weightloss - seeing the scale drop, for food, itself. There is that positive glow when the scale shows a loss. Now, there should be a time when that is not necessary and I should not substitute the "weighloss reward" for the food reward. The reward should be holding steady and feeling good. This is a new thought and (g) not definitely well-thought out just yet. But it did get me wondering. After all, even at WW meetings, Maintainers/Lifetimers no longer get recognition. No little stars or magnets or..... You just plug on along. Just musing............ On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:01:24 -0000, "krys" wrote: hey hey hey - down is down - and thus good. and what other people think is never the issue - it's all about how you feel about yourself........and no-one can tell you to feel different than you do. A million people can tell me I look good as I am - but I still want to lose that weight for me.......... |
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NYNY - Fred - Dec 10th
that is excellent news, Lee
Lesanne wrote in message .. . This looks very sane to me, this w.l. reward substitute for the food reward. I am 156 on my scale this morning and was frankly delighted because I can go to the meeting this morning and get a nice low weight for the end of this year on my card. But my goal, my real goal, is to stay between 155 and 160 so I am there. I think I am going to need to set myself up some sort of positive reinforcement for staying Still. I sure do feel great, gotta tell ya. "Fred" wrote in message ... You're right, of course. I've had additional thoughts on this, this afternoon while I was walking the lake... I think that _I_ and maybe some of the others have started to substitute the REWARD of weightloss - seeing the scale drop, for food, itself. There is that positive glow when the scale shows a loss. Now, there should be a time when that is not necessary and I should not substitute the "weighloss reward" for the food reward. The reward should be holding steady and feeling good. This is a new thought and (g) not definitely well-thought out just yet. But it did get me wondering. After all, even at WW meetings, Maintainers/Lifetimers no longer get recognition. No little stars or magnets or..... You just plug on along. Just musing............ On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:01:24 -0000, "krys" wrote: hey hey hey - down is down - and thus good. and what other people think is never the issue - it's all about how you feel about yourself........and no-one can tell you to feel different than you do. A million people can tell me I look good as I am - but I still want to lose that weight for me.......... |
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NYNY - Fred - Dec 10th
I love the part about being there (at goal) and feeling great. Oh, and
the new low is definitely good news too. You totally rock, Lesanne! Prairie Roots On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:19:46 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote: This looks very sane to me, this w.l. reward substitute for the food reward. I am 156 on my scale this morning and was frankly delighted because I can go to the meeting this morning and get a nice low weight for the end of this year on my card. But my goal, my real goal, is to stay between 155 and 160 so I am there. I think I am going to need to set myself up some sort of positive reinforcement for staying Still. I sure do feel great, gotta tell ya. "Fred" wrote in message .. . You're right, of course. I've had additional thoughts on this, this afternoon while I was walking the lake... I think that _I_ and maybe some of the others have started to substitute the REWARD of weightloss - seeing the scale drop, for food, itself. There is that positive glow when the scale shows a loss. Now, there should be a time when that is not necessary and I should not substitute the "weighloss reward" for the food reward. The reward should be holding steady and feeling good. This is a new thought and (g) not definitely well-thought out just yet. But it did get me wondering. After all, even at WW meetings, Maintainers/Lifetimers no longer get recognition. No little stars or magnets or..... You just plug on along. Just musing............ On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:01:24 -0000, "krys" wrote: hey hey hey - down is down - and thus good. and what other people think is never the issue - it's all about how you feel about yourself........and no-one can tell you to feel different than you do. A million people can tell me I look good as I am - but I still want to lose that weight for me.......... |
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NYNY - Fred - Dec 10th
Congrats on that loss, Fred. I can see where your sister and others are
coming from, but I guess for me as long as I kept it around 157 or 158 I'd be happy! lol... no clue what this means either but hey, thought I'd throw my 2¢ in the pile! -- ~Kristin O~ 272/239/172 Here's our FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ and welcome notice: http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html "Fred" wrote in message ... Okay here we go: I am down since last week: 1.8 pounds (that is using my base clothing measurements which means removing 1.6 pounds from the current wardrobe) But I'm down in any event 0.2 pounds even with the heavier clothing. So I guess the chocolate cake on Sat night was not deadly - YES! Current weight: 156.6 (heavier clothing 158.2) But I will mention my sister's take on this minimum weight issue (she, by the way has never had a weight problem other than being UNDER most of her life!!!). I mentioned getting to 155 to have a sufficient clothing cushion. She suggested as some of us have discussed then you will not want to move much from there and will try being just a bit lower to keep 155 and so on and so forth and ...... Which is what I've been thinking. So what does it mean. I have no idea (g) (aside: don't eat your heart out Lesanne, you cannot afford the points (gd&r) Fred 219.2/156.6/164.0 (Lifetime) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002 |
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NYNY - Fred - Dec 10th
Yes, it is sane but.. but.. .(sputtering...)
I need to accept no palpable reward, no visible reward. Just, as you say, "feel great!" And just accept that as the reward but that is so amorphous. And then add to that that MAINTENANCE involves some small gains and that is the antithesis of reward - downright scary even if I should know it is normal. I guess coming to grips with all of this Maintenance stuff is, well, Maintenance (G) Finding another reward - I really can't keep upgrading my computer and I got new skis last week!!!!! On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:19:46 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote: This looks very sane to me, this w.l. reward substitute for the food reward. I am 156 on my scale this morning and was frankly delighted because I can go to the meeting this morning and get a nice low weight for the end of this year on my card. But my goal, my real goal, is to stay between 155 and 160 so I am there. I think I am going to need to set myself up some sort of positive reinforcement for staying Still. I sure do feel great, gotta tell ya. "Fred" wrote in message .. . You're right, of course. I've had additional thoughts on this, this afternoon while I was walking the lake... I think that _I_ and maybe some of the others have started to substitute the REWARD of weightloss - seeing the scale drop, for food, itself. There is that positive glow when the scale shows a loss. Now, there should be a time when that is not necessary and I should not substitute the "weighloss reward" for the food reward. The reward should be holding steady and feeling good. This is a new thought and (g) not definitely well-thought out just yet. But it did get me wondering. After all, even at WW meetings, Maintainers/Lifetimers no longer get recognition. No little stars or magnets or..... You just plug on along. Just musing............ On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:01:24 -0000, "krys" wrote: hey hey hey - down is down - and thus good. and what other people think is never the issue - it's all about how you feel about yourself........and no-one can tell you to feel different than you do. A million people can tell me I look good as I am - but I still want to lose that weight for me.......... |
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NYNY - Fred - Dec 10th
Thanks for throwing it in. Reading it again, helps with others' takes
on things. On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:17:22 -0600, "Kristin" wrote: Congrats on that loss, Fred. I can see where your sister and others are coming from, but I guess for me as long as I kept it around 157 or 158 I'd be happy! lol... no clue what this means either but hey, thought I'd throw my 2¢ in the pile! |
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