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  #11  
Old June 6th, 2004, 01:17 PM
Carol Frilegh
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In article , GaryG
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"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
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In article , GaryG
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A 13 year old girl, 5' 6" tall, who weighs 114 lbs, is in the "Normal

Range"
according to the Centers for Disease Control/World Health Organization,

with
a Body Mass Index of 18.4. At her age, height, and gender she would be

in
the 31st weight percentile, compared to US averages. Although she is at

the
low end of normal, and may indeed have an eating disorder, her current
weight is not that extreme by comparison.

GG
http://www.WeightWare.com
Your Weight and Health Diary


Fitday has that girl off the chart in a blank zone underweight.


Interesting...I wonder where fitday gets their numbers from? Does their
system take into account her age and sex? (I couldn't find anything on their
web site).

One of the better Body Mass Index sites I've found is Steven Halls, MD. His
calculator is he

http://www.halls.md/body-mass-index/bmi.htm

It's true that some BMI calculators indicate "Underweight" starting around
BMI=18.5. But, most of those are for adults...teens tend to naturally run
low BMI's. Her weight is in the 31st percentile, which is on the low side,
but not abnormally low for her age and height.

It sounds like she may have an eating disorder, but based on her weight
alone, she may not yet be in a dangerous condition (physically, anyway).

GG

Doing it subjectively, at 13 I had reached my full height of 5 ft 6 1/2
inches and a weight of 165. The lowest I ever got subsequently was the
low 130's and it was below my set point. Now shorter and wiser, I hang
around 139-141 with an acceptable BMI, some pinchable areas and the
ongoing battle with gravity one expects at age 73.

That teen would have to be extremely small boned at 113-115 and is
probably headed for a career as a runway supermodel.

You sound very weight wise and savvy and I look forward to downloading
and checking out your program because there is something magical about
the words "Free Trial"

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  #12  
Old June 6th, 2004, 02:50 PM
GaryG
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Default Article: Young, skinny < and obsessed with diets

"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
...
In article , GaryG
wrote:

"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
...
In article , GaryG
wrote:

A 13 year old girl, 5' 6" tall, who weighs 114 lbs, is in the

"Normal
Range"
according to the Centers for Disease Control/World Health

Organization,
with
a Body Mass Index of 18.4. At her age, height, and gender she would

be
in
the 31st weight percentile, compared to US averages. Although she is

at
the
low end of normal, and may indeed have an eating disorder, her

current
weight is not that extreme by comparison.

GG
http://www.WeightWare.com
Your Weight and Health Diary

Fitday has that girl off the chart in a blank zone underweight.


Interesting...I wonder where fitday gets their numbers from? Does their
system take into account her age and sex? (I couldn't find anything on

their
web site).

One of the better Body Mass Index sites I've found is Steven Halls, MD.

His
calculator is he

http://www.halls.md/body-mass-index/bmi.htm

It's true that some BMI calculators indicate "Underweight" starting

around
BMI=18.5. But, most of those are for adults...teens tend to naturally

run
low BMI's. Her weight is in the 31st percentile, which is on the low

side,
but not abnormally low for her age and height.

It sounds like she may have an eating disorder, but based on her weight
alone, she may not yet be in a dangerous condition (physically, anyway).

GG

Doing it subjectively, at 13 I had reached my full height of 5 ft 6 1/2
inches and a weight of 165. The lowest I ever got subsequently was the
low 130's and it was below my set point. Now shorter and wiser, I hang
around 139-141 with an acceptable BMI, some pinchable areas and the
ongoing battle with gravity one expects at age 73.

That teen would have to be extremely small boned at 113-115 and is
probably headed for a career as a runway supermodel.

You sound very weight wise and savvy and I look forward to downloading
and checking out your program because there is something magical about
the words "Free Trial"


Ahhh, thanks...that's music to my ears :-). I hope you enjoy WeightWare and
find it useful, but you might want to wait a day or two before downloading
it. The new version 1.4 includes several new graphs, some bug fixes, and
some ease-of-use enhancements. I hope to release it to the website early
tomorrow.

GG
http://www.WeightWare.com
Your Weight and Health Diary



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Diva
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Old June 6th, 2004, 04:55 PM
JMA
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In article , That T Woman wrote:
This is one of your more stupid posts, Ig. You're scraping the bottom

of
the barrel to find something positive to say about a 13 year old girl
starving herself to stay stick thin. I wonder what her school work is

like
the days she only eats the piece of fruit. This is so not what we

should
want a 13 year old to be doing. "If she lives to old age"? What about

the
*quality* of her life now and in the immediate future?


Well, I merely pointed out one aspect of her anorexic lifestyle that
happens to be beneficial. Surely, one could find many other not so
positive sides of anorexia, and you did a splendid job at that.

Calling a post that brings up an interesting finding regarding cancer
risk of anorexic women, stupid just because it does not pay lip
service to dangers of anorexia (already well known), is not
justifiable.

i


So if that was your 13 year old living on one piece of fruit a day in order
to stay thin, it would be ok with you because it would reduce the
possibility of cancer at a later age (if she lives long enough)?

I find your pro-ana attitude extremely disturbing and I'm actually stunned
that someone who claims to be such an intelligent adult can be so completely
obtuse about this one subject. Anorexia has a high mortality rate, the
highest rate of any psychiatric disorder and probably higher than some forms
of breast cancer these days. Sorry if I'm just paying lip service to the
truth. I'm not referring to your adult friends who maintain a calorie
restricted WOE because they think it's going to help them live longer. I'm
talking about teenagers who are terrified to eat because they think that
their emaciated bodies are unattractively fat and who will literally starve
themselves to death as a result. So much for increasing life expectancy,
huh?



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Old June 6th, 2004, 04:56 PM
JMA
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"That T Woman" wrote in message
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"Steve" wrote in message
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Carol Frilegh wrote:
Young, skinny and obsessed with diets
Weight concerns can as early as 14 Fashion, parents take the
blameGirls, and some boys too, unduly concerned about weight


snip

A decade ago this article would have inspired outrage, but that was
before obese toddlers and teen agers with type II diabetes.

Steve


So we should ignore that some teenagers are starving themselves because

some
toddlers are obese and some teenagers have diabetes? Can't we be outraged
about all the extremes?

Tonia


Well T, I guess anything is better than being fat (or perceived as fat).


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Old June 6th, 2004, 06:38 PM
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Carol Frilegh wrote in
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Young, skinny ‹ and obsessed with diets
Weight concerns can as early as 14 Fashion, parents take
the blameGirls, and some boys too, unduly concerned about
weight

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In spite of the anorexia debate, I can tell you that the disease
is not restricted to girls.

I went from 6'0 225 at 14 to 6'2" 160 at 17 and still saw
myself as fat. I'd had a lifetime of extremes and I consider it
all the same disease: low self-esteem. (Side note: John Lennon
became anorexic after reading that he'd gotten a nickname as
"the fat Beatle.")

I've been busy lately, not making money, unfortunately, but it's
nice to be back!

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Old June 6th, 2004, 06:41 PM
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"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
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Young, skinny and obsessed with diets
Weight concerns can as early as 14 Fashion, parents take
the blameGirls, and some boys too, unduly concerned about
weight


MARGO VARADI
TORONTO STAR

(snipped)

The simple, horrible truth about anorexia is, if they do
not stop the behavior, they will die. It will kill them.
And, if they do stop, they still risk suffering from
osteoporosis in old age. Anorexia is growing is some parts
of the population. It's growing in younger girls and in
young gay males.

It's a dreadful addiction that is spurned on by our modern
media.

Martha




Not to mention the stress created by our double standards like
low-rider pants and fast-food on every corner.
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Old June 6th, 2004, 06:44 PM
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"JMA" wrote in
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"That T Woman" wrote in message
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"Steve" wrote in
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Carol Frilegh wrote:
Young, skinny and obsessed with diets
Weight concerns can as early as 14 Fashion, parents
take the blameGirls, and some boys too, unduly
concerned about weight

snip

A decade ago this article would have inspired outrage,
but that was before obese toddlers and teen agers with
type II diabetes.

Steve


So we should ignore that some teenagers are starving
themselves because

some
toddlers are obese and some teenagers have diabetes?
Can't we be outraged about all the extremes?

Tonia


Well T, I guess anything is better than being fat (or
perceived as fat).




Skinny kids don't get abused, tormented and bullied, but fat
kids sure do. And it has lifelong repercusions.
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Old June 6th, 2004, 06:45 PM
OceanView
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Default Article: Young, skinny ã and obsessed with diets

Carol Frilegh wrote in
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In article , Steve
wrote:

Carol Frilegh wrote:
Young, skinny ã and obsessed with diets
Weight concerns can as early as 14 Fashion, parents take
the blameGirls, and some boys too, unduly concerned
about weight


snip

A decade ago this article would have inspired outrage, but
that was before obese toddlers and teen agers with type II
diabetes.

Steve


Once there was a little girl named Alice who fell down the
rabbit hole and confronted with a door she couldn't get
through nibbled one side of a mushroom and got too tall,
then ate from the other side and became too small.

Moral of the story: be moderate and realistic or eat
zucchini instead of mushrooms!


You forgot: Watch where you step!
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Old June 6th, 2004, 07:18 PM
The Queen of Cans and Jars
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OceanView wrote:

Skinny kids don't get abused, tormented and bullied, but fat
kids sure do. And it has lifelong repercusions.


skinny kids *do* get bullied, they just don't get it for being fat.
kids are cruel, and they don't discriminate. if someone is different
enough, they'll get picked on whether they're skinny or fat.
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Old June 6th, 2004, 09:51 PM
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"OceanView" wrote in message
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Carol Frilegh wrote in
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Young, skinny and obsessed with diets
Weight concerns can as early as 14 Fashion, parents take
the blameGirls, and some boys too, unduly concerned about
weight

snipped

In spite of the anorexia debate, I can tell you that the disease
is not restricted to girls.

I went from 6'0 225 at 14 to 6'2" 160 at 17 and still saw
myself as fat. I'd had a lifetime of extremes and I consider it
all the same disease: low self-esteem. (Side note: John Lennon
became anorexic after reading that he'd gotten a nickname as
"the fat Beatle.")


Are you saying you were anorexic during that period? The numbers don't seem
to support that. Losing 65 lbs over the course of 3 years would require a
daily deficit of around 210 calories per day - a very reasonable and healthy
rate of weight loss. A 6'2" 160 lb 17 year old male has a Body Mass Index
of 20.5 (in the Normal Range), and is in the 38th weight percentile based on
US averages. So, you were on the low side of normal, but still well above
the "Underweight" category.

The CDC definition of "Underweight" for adolescents is " 5th percentile"
for Body Mass Index. For a 17-year old male, that would require a BMI17.6
(137 lbs at your height). Based on this definition, at 160 lbs, you were
still 23 lbs above "Underweight".

Perhaps it's one of those "good news/bad news" scenarios...while it's true
that you may have suffered from low self-esteem and had an obsession with
food during that time, it seems unlikely that you were truly anorexic.

GG
http://www.WeightWare.com
Your Weight and Health Diary


I've been busy lately, not making money, unfortunately, but it's
nice to be back!

260/230/195



 




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