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The Master wrote:
Fact: Your dog is too thin if you can see ribs under the skin. True. Fact: People consider human females too fat if you can't. Prove this claim. Fact: More Americans die from weighing to little then from weighing too much. Prove this claim. Fact: Cost for obesity related medical treatments are calculated by summing EVERY type 2 diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, and cancer case, REGUARDLESS of actual cause. Prove this claim. Fact: 95% of people who diet put lost weight back on within 3 years. Prove this claim. Considering that you have no clue how to calculate something as simple as BMI hardly makes you an expert on obesity. -- |
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On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Ian wrote:
Fact: Your dog is too thin if you can see ribs under the skin. True. Fact: People consider human females too fat if you can't. Prove this claim. Look at a magazine... Fact: More Americans die from weighing to little then from weighing too much. Prove this claim. www.bigfatfacts.com Fact: Cost for obesity related medical treatments are calculated by summing EVERY type 2 diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, and cancer case, REGUARDLESS of actual cause. Prove this claim. www.bigfatfacts.com Fact: 95% of people who diet put lost weight back on within 3 years. Prove this claim. www.bigfatfacts.com You are welcomed. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. |
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The Master wrote:
Fact: More Americans die from weighing to little then from weighing too much. Prove this claim. www.bigfatfacts.com You picked a fat acceptance propaganda page. Let's look at the cite on this one from the page: "Excess Deaths Associated With Underweight, Overweight, and Obesity" by Katherine M. Flegal, PhD; Barry I. Graubard, PhD; David F. Williamson, PhD; Mitchell H. Gail, MD, PhD JAMA. 2005;293:1861-1867. Here's the actual conclusion from the study: MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Number of excess deaths in 2000 associated with given BMI levels. RESULTS: Relative to the normal weight category (BMI 18.5 to 25), obesity (BMI or =30) was associated with 111,909 excess deaths (95% confidence interval [CI], 53,754-170,064) and underweight with 33,746 excess deaths (95% CI, 15,726-51,766). Did you bother to check the facts on the site, dumbass? I'm sure the other claims are just as bogus. -- |
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"Ian" wrote in message ... The Master wrote: Fact: Your dog is too thin if you can see ribs under the skin. True. Not true, you can see the ribs on my dog (slightly) and she's plenty fine. She's just a naturally skinny dog. Probably part whippet or some such. Fact: People consider human females too fat if you can't. Prove this claim. Not true, at a BMI of 24, which isn't even overweight, much less obese, I'm nowhere near seeing my ribs, and I'm at a healthy weight. Fact: More Americans die from weighing to little then from weighing too much. Prove this claim. Where do you get that from? I'd be interested in seeing some sources. Fact: Cost for obesity related medical treatments are calculated by summing EVERY type 2 diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, and cancer case, REGUARDLESS of actual cause. Prove this claim. Depends who did the study. Lung Cancer were all considered to be smokers at the end of the 90s. It's just a matter of who pays for the study. Fact: 95% of people who diet put lost weight back on within 3 years. Prove this claim. That's a myth that dates back at least from the 60s, has been proved wrong so many times that it's ridiculous, and still is floating around. Go look up the National Weight Loss registry. Just at Weight Watchers, the number of Lifetime members who are maintaining at least 2/3 of their weight loss is impressive. Considering that you have no clue how to calculate something as simple as BMI hardly makes you an expert on obesity. -- |
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"Ian" wrote: The Master wrote: Fact: More Americans die from weighing to little then from weighing too much. Prove this claim. www.bigfatfacts.com You picked a fat acceptance propaganda page. Let's look at the cite on this one from the page: "Excess Deaths Associated With Underweight, Overweight, and Obesity" by Katherine M. Flegal, PhD; Barry I. Graubard, PhD; David F. Williamson, PhD; Mitchell H. Gail, MD, PhD JAMA. 2005;293:1861-1867. Here's the actual conclusion from the study: MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Number of excess deaths in 2000 associated with given BMI levels. RESULTS: Relative to the normal weight category (BMI 18.5 to 25), obesity (BMI or =30) was associated with 111,909 excess deaths (95% confidence interval [CI], 53,754-170,064) and underweight with 33,746 excess deaths (95% CI, 15,726-51,766). Did you bother to check the facts on the site, dumbass? I'm sure the other claims are just as bogus. It would be interesting to know what fraction of the population is obese and what fraction is underweight. If there were nearly 4 times as many fat people as skinny people, they would have an equal death rate. This is an observation, not a statement. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Zunx_goz4 http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/2...ra_hass_on_the |
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On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Ian wrote:
Fact: More Americans die from weighing to little then from weighing too much. Prove this claim. www.bigfatfacts.com You picked a fat acceptance propaganda page. Let's look at the cite on this one from the page: Typical reply. I am glad you didn't fail. When a fat basher, such as yourself, posts a medical study that attacks fat people, I'll argue with the data collection process that the study took. That is, I'll take on the study itself. But when a URL is provided with hinks to medical studies that support fat people, the fat bashers attack the quality of the URL. Next time, attack the studies referenced, not the bias of the web site listing the references, moron. |
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The Master wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Ian wrote: Fact: More Americans die from weighing to little then from weighing too much. Prove this claim. www.bigfatfacts.com You picked a fat acceptance propaganda page. Let's look at the cite on this one from the page: Typical reply. I am glad you didn't fail. When a fat basher, such as yourself, posts a medical study that attacks fat people, I'll argue with the data collection process that the study took. That is, I'll take on the study itself. But when a URL is provided with hinks to medical studies that support fat people, the fat bashers attack the quality of the URL. Next time, attack the studies referenced, not the bias of the web site listing the references, moron. You're not very bright, are you? Do you understand that I posted the conclusion of the study that was referenced on the web site and it indicated the *exact opposite* of what you and the web site claimed? Do you always accept whatever is posted on a web site as fact without verifying the information? Why should anyone be surprised that you are too stupid to understand that you shot yourself in the foot? After all, you can't even understand a simple concept like BMI. -- |
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The Master wrote: When a fat basher, such as yourself, posts a medical study that attacks fat people, I'll argue with the data collection process that the study took. And it should be noticed that change is only possible when one accepts oneself just as one is. The times I have lost weight and kept it off for a decade or more started were preceded by getting a comfortable wardrobe. Self loathing is a great driver of overeating. |
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