Darn!! Up TWO pounds???

Yup, and when you think you have it all figured out the kids go and change the
rules on you. G I'm becoming so much closer to a new stage in my life. Still
parenting, probably always will be regardless as to the age of my kids. But more
and more hub and I are finding ourselves home alone ... both kids off and running
in the evenings, have their own plans, own lives. Meal plans are difficult at
best, never knowing who will be around, IF anyone. I'm guessing this is supposed
to be our preparation for the inevitable. I'm not quite ready for this totally
quiet house ... even though I do like my quiet time. g

Joyce

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:01:24 -0500, Connie wrote:

I'm learning something about parenting all the time. It sure is
experimental.

Connie

Joyce wrote:
Thanks for the vote of confidence, Connie. I tell my kids they are just guinea
pigs ... parenting is purely an experimental process. G We do try hard though,
not much more we can do than that ... right?

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:37:15 -0500, Connie wrote:


Joyce, you sound like a really great mom!! Keep up the good work!!

Connie

Joyce wrote:

Thanks PR. So far he seems ok to me, has some spark back in his eyes and a new
plan of attack. At least he now sees there are still options in his life, this
does not make him a failure. Tomorrow (Friday) he is registering for classes at
the local college, keep him going while giving him some time to sort things out
also. Guess he at least feels better knowing he would be allowed to make whatever
decision he felt was best for HIM, and mom/dad weren't going to beat him up over
it. He is 19, has a whole lot of time ahead of him to figure things out. G

Daughter came through the teeth pulling like a trooper - did beg for more than
just a local anesthetic though. I took her to the oral surgeon I have been to, is
a wonderfully gentle and caring man. He told her she could ABSOLUTELY have
whatever she felt was needed, no way did he want her fearing or feeling pain or
any nervousness. She finally opted for a little bit of gas along with the local.
I could deal with that a lot better than the thought of the general anesthetic.
She didn't seem to have much pain, was taking some motrin though ... but thinks it
was more for the discomfort of the seperators that had also been put into her
teeth. Today no motrin, so she must be feeling much better.

I'm breathing, I'm breathing! Things have calmed down now, crisis appears to have
passed. G

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:40:16 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:



Sounds like your son's in the middle of a major life crisis. I truly
hope he comes through this whole, which most likely he will with you
in his corner. I'm sorry you're having to suffer his anxiety as well.

I feel for your daughter. Having braces put on is what turned me into
a confirmed dentalphobe. Now I ask for general anesthetic every time I
get my teeth cleaned; I settle for valium. Course if it was my
daughter asking for general anesthetic, I'd be nervous.G

I hope your day went better than it sounded in advance. Things can
only look UP, right?! Take a few minutes for yourself, and remember to
breathe.

Prairie Roots

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:18:30 -0600, Joyce wrote:



Thanks PR. Todays plan of attack blew out the window ... along with yesterdays
*good* set of answers. sigh Tomorrow is another day, a few other options, then
time to make some informed decisions.

Nothing overly major in the grand scheme of things, just blips in the road. Son
hadn't been doing well in college all year, grades dropped horrendously but he had
said nothing. We worried quietly here at home, while he tried valiantly to dig
himself out. Turns out he was given a bunch of bad information from his advisor
and baseball coach ... took a class he had no need to take ... entire grade turned
out to be based solely on final exam, which turned out to be an oral resume and
job interview that was drawn out of a hat when he entered the class for the exam
(he drew a career he knew absolutely nothing about) ... failed thus making him
ineligible for baseball. In the grand scheme of things this is really unimportant
... to him it is the world and he is currently shattered. He has had the carrot
dangled in front of his nose, so to speak - had pro scouts talking to him the last
few months, telling him at this given moment he has a 1:4 chance of being drafted
- not great but still not bad for a 19 year old. BUT he says needs to play for it
to happen, and it is his dream. So what do we do? Tell him to give up his dream?
I think dreams are what keep us going, keep us alive - I hate to just tell him to
quit and grow up aleady. So this week-end he has been investigating transferring
schools. Yesterday he was all set up, went to register today only to be told that
the school he is currently at has a wierd class schedule which has made him
ineligible for transferring deadlines (current college is just starting a new
term, whereas other colleges are much further along already). It also explains
why his current school has so many transferring IN at this time of year. My heart
once again broke for him today when he came home, he looked so darned defeated.
He is kicking himself for not saying anything to us over the holidays, he didn't
want to let us down. which he never would anyway

Had another heart to heart with him this afternoon, told him if he is really that
unhappy where he is at, then maybe consider transferring into the local jr.
college during spring quarter ... take some time to make a decision for next year.
Does it make sense for him to stick it out where he is currently at, only to not
go back next year anyway? So tomorrow morning he is back to the jr. college to
talk to the coach there, see if maybe he can even just work out with the team
while attending classes ... talk to one other school in the area .... then back to
current school to see if he can sweet talk his professor into giving him an
incomplete (probably not, is a first year teacher who appears to be in
authoratative mode). At least by knowing *answers* hopefully he can make an
informed decision and hopefully become more relaxed and happy.

I'm out bright and early tomorrow morning with daughter, she has to have 2 teeth
pulled for braces ... then afternoon in traffic court with hubby who hit a woman
who was backing down a one way street ... it's gonna be another one of those
looooooooong days. sigh I am incredibly tired, yet can't sleep.

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:05:29 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:



I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping that all works out well.
Peace be with you.

Prairie Roots
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:



I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:



Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:



hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:



I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod55271c7l @4ax.com...


I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the

week.


Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more

than


likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to

push


too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,

took me


a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.

This is a


great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.

Then I


read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would

work on


the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline

when you


can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere

recently


that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too

sure of


that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I

also didn't


add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was

tougher


on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus

causing


me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months

now,


walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start

feeling


it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline

and


immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at

your 2MPH


level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH

(I'm making


the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for

another


few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,

you


will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get

the same


benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early

stages -


which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"

wrote:


HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!

Joyce wrote:

Ahhhhhh, wonderful sibling rivalry! It gets better, then it gets worse - kind of
a revolving door on a daily basis. LOL My kids do have their moments. When they
were younger, I found that most of those fights were because of something else
that was going on in one of their lives. They tended to bring the issues home
with them, then take it out on someone *safe*. They knew that they could safely
get angry at each other, yet would still be loved a few minutes later. Might be
something else you would want to look into ... make sure something isn't going on
elsewhere that he is having problems sorting out? Giving time to cool down is a
good thing too, I think we all need that most of the time. G

joyce

As a kid I never got the hang of sibling rivalry, and did it all
wrong...

If one of my three siblings did something I did better than me, I
cheered them on. If outsiders ganged up on one of us, they had all 4 to
deal with - very clannish!

We all did very different things, even though two of us taught for many
years. If I need management/organization advice, I go to Big Sis (long
time PA to two major charities, used to organizing conferences for
nurses, dealing with the Princess Royal's office [she's the royal patron
of BS's present organization], used to teach). She knows who to go to
in a crisis, having worked for Macmillan (cancer nurses), and NACAB
(citizens advice). Bro is dead practical, being an engineer. DH and he
are much alike in that. Little sis had her kids first, is a police
woman, and useful for legal and practical child care advice. I'm the
one they come to for sewing advice and artsy stuff. I'm also the one
they used to send out to charm people - I once got a complete dinner
service, a new kettle and, 4 bedside table lamps, the promise of a paint
job, and 24 lightbulbs out of the Really Surly storekeeper of the RAF
married quarters stores! Ma had requested, Big sis had ASKED (you need
to see her in action to see this working!), and I batted an eyelash or
three... Use what y'got!

Rivals? No, all too different in character, and all too confident of
what and who we are as individuals! We did have our arguments as kids,
but they never went beyond a half hour spat, and we are now all really
good friends!

--
Kate XXXXXX
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

I've read about bad batteries on the ipods and a potential class
action suit.

Heading off skiing (just finished the oatmeal - down for the
sardines...)..............

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:38:13 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm hopeful, guess it all depends on him and how bad he wants it - right?
Financing options have changed a bit ... meaning mom and dad will not foot the
entire bill now until he proves to us that he does want the education. Did the
same for his older sis, he doesn't get special treatment. Mom is tough, but also
a firm believer that kids will think twice about wasting their own hard earned
money. G His friends are also going to college locally - one in a local 4 yr.
school, another at the jr. college. It isn't uncommon here either, our jr.
college's enrollment has reached the 30,000 student status - which seems very
large to me. Years ago it was ranked as one of the top jr. colleges in the
nation. Not sure where it ranks now, but will make the assumption that it still
is good. But again, you're going to get out of it what you put into it. Time
will tell. He does seem a bit more enthused than I have seen him before, is
enrolled now and can register officially for classes next Friday. He has several
classes jotted down that he wants to take, says he can't believe how many choices
are available here, as compared to where he was going. But yes, what he is going
through is nothing new ... to anyone. I seem to remember having a difficult time
myself - then decided college just wasn't the answer for me. Back *then*,
companies were very willing to train on the job. It's a much different world
today. G

As exciting as my life is, I think I could stand to add a few new toys. Might
push the *who's on top* highlight down a few pegs. G I was looking on amazon,
prices don't really look too bad. Think I will have to make a stop into a local
store though and get some answers as to what exactly I will need and what will
work with minimal changes/effect to my existing setup. It may have to wait a bit
- just found out this evening that daughters IPod died a sudden death. There's
another $400 I hadn't counted on. sigh

I've avoided the meringues today, but did feel the necessity to finally have
another mudslide. G Back to back high point days ... probably not a good plan,
but I'll live through it. Back on the treadmill tomorrow, no excuses, no
procrastination. That and the normal 20 loads of laundry that are still awaiting
me. I wish I could blame my lack of ambition on a cold or another illness, but
alas - it's just me in a bad funk. This too shall pass, and soon I hope.

I don't avoid pasta, but usually have it at home where I can control things
better. I have become used to the wheat pasta, have learned to cook it a bit
longer and then the texture seems better to me. But ... I caved last nite.
Journalled it all, over 7 points for the day - not good but sure have seen worse.
G Normally if I know I'm doing the pasta thing, I will cover for it elsewhere -
this was just one of those days where it sprang up as a surprise. Kind of like
dinner this evening. Last minute hub decided he wanted pizza. sigh

Joyce

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:43:56 -0800, Fred wrote:

Hope the local college works out for him. I will not admit to having
to feel my way in my second semester way back when. But it worked
out. At least, I think it did (G) I went to college from home - all
in NYC and environs. Many of us stayed local since it was reasonaby
priced (like FREE) and a good (back then) education.

Toys are what keep life exciting - no? Oh, maybe that was financially
broke - well, one or the other. The wireless has dropped
substantially in price - really.

Miss Meringues are sitting here now. Dessert after my pickled herring
sandwich. Waiting for a friend to call and up or down on a bike ride.
We are trying to decide if we are willing to possibly get rained on!
(G) Should have gone skiing but with a cold I figured I would wait
another day. (aside, we just decided to go for it! )

I still have avoided pasta - pretty much since I started WW. I did do
the buckwheat noodles about 3 months ago with a then Atkins friends.
She has since abandoned food to lose weight! (G)

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:17:16 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks again. Not sure if we are terrific, maybe more like jekyll and hyde? g
We have that tendency to go ballistic when alone (or with each other) then calm
down when the kids are around ... able to talk more reason into each other. Once
the smoke has cleared, we seem to be able to better cope. Thank heavens the kids
see very little of the smoke. G I remember never being allowed to make my own
decisions, or if I did I was always told they were wrong - have sworn that I would
not do that to my kids. It has taken me most of my life to overcome the lack of
confidence in myself. So if they make mistakes, they make mistakes. As long as
they learn from them, I figure it turns out ok. And dear ol' sonny boy is such a
complex being - hard for me to figure him out. The boy just had a rough year,
advisor from hell who set him back a few paces and he never took the initiative to
fight her. Ah well, live and learn. What I find is very funny (again, my warped
sense of humor) is that the local college was our first choice for him - as he is
such a homebody and really didn't know what he wanted to do. So again, his choice
to venture off, - and now it's his choice to return.

The treadmill is what is pushing me to look into the wireless ... just another
gimick, another toy. And you know how I love my toys! Working from the couch
would be *ok*, but definitely not a necessity - and not interested enough to make
me run out and investigate how much the option would cost me. For the purpose of
amusement though ......... hehehe.

Still no more mudslides here. I keep looking at the bottle, but haven't really
had the desire to venture to it. I really am not much of a drinker. And
yesterday I really overdid things. Waited much too long for dinner (7:30pm) and
was absolutely starving. Did the carry-in thing, pasta - not the best choice and
very large serving ... which I ate in entirety. Probably 20 points worth for
dinner alone. Added a skinny cow sandwich later in the evening. Went out for
lunch, but at least did keep that at fish and veggies. STILL - was a much heavier
day than I've had in a long time. Why is it that there are just *those days*
where you are hungry no matter what you eat or what you do (or what you don't do)?

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:31:49 -0800, Fred wrote:

Well, it sounds like mom and dad are terrific parents providing a
supportive home and allowing the kids to make their own decisions. I
am sure it will work out. Sometimes college is overwhelming and like
WW, you can get back in the game when the time is right. The local
option may work best for now.

Working wirelessly from out in the yard (not for months yet if you can
see the screen) or from the dining room or fireplace is neat but we
can get too spoiled, too. But exploiting the treadmill's interactive
or download features would push me (G) Another TOY!

No, no mudslides - just way too many meringues - I need to retake the
environment issue. I've been bringing home too much tempting JUNK.
And eating it. But I did well with the leg of lamb. Carved it last
night into 2.5 - 3.0 oz servings and froze it after eating a bit too
much wonderful "crust" the first night.

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:17:40 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Might not have worked out the way dad and I would prefer - but it
really isn't our choice - the kid needs to be happy, it's his life. He called me
while I was in the oral surgeons, as he was headed back to college to talk to his
professor. Asked me if he should just withdraw as long as he was there. Once
again I told him I would not make that decision, he had our blessing no matter
what he decided ... as well as a home to come to. I guess I look at things oddly
... would hate to have any of my children think there problems are so huge that
there is no possible way out other than a *forever* choice ... and seems to be
quite a few that do end up thinking that. Soooo - he is home now, registering for
classes at the local college tomorrow - while he sorts things out. When he came
back home, I couldn't believe how much more relaxed he looked already - finally
looked like he at least had some life in him. He's 19, still has a lot of growin'
up left in him. G

Thanks for the network info. I also checked with a friend of my sons, he pretty
much confirmed what you said. If I recall correctly, he said something about
purchasing a router that had maybe one wireless port but also had several wired
ports (or hubs or whatever???) .. then run the laptops off the wireless. It's a
thought, and I would enjoy being able to work on a computer from the dining room,
or family room ... without stringing temp cords all over the house. One more
thing for me to think about. You know how I feel about thinking! sigh

Did you find the mudslides? I haven't indulged in any more lately ... just might
have to move in that direction tomorrow though. It's sounding pretty danged good!

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:22:53 -0800, Fred wrote:

Don't slip on too much mudslide. Glad to hear things are sorting out.

I am not a network expert if there are such people these days but I
think you could link a desktop with a wired network to a laptop with
wireless and work with the type systems. But as you say, it probably
is not that important. I do enjoy the wireless laptop downstairs
beside the fireplace.

Take care and I will have to find mudslide - hmmm, maybe on the lunch
time walk in the predicted sunshine I can get to the state liquor
store (G)

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:30:17 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy, which is what is
important. As I told my older brother this week-end ... just another one of those
freakin' growth experiences. G Then I told hub I lived through it with my older
brother, lived through it myself, we lived through it with our oldest girl ...
will live through this current bout and then just think ... only one more to make
it through! G It's just the emotions that are totally shot right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think I've talked to a
single person who has had good experiences with them. And if I did put one in,
would I then have to disconnect my normal network ... or would I be able to pick
and choose when I wanted to use the wireless? I am just not thinking clearly
right now, probably not the best time to venture into this project. G

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and don't foresee being
able to for the next few days ... definitely not tomorrow anyway ... well ...
maybe by dinnertime? sigh Littlest daughter is having 2 teeth pulled in the
morning, in order to have braces put on. She is my worrier, timid little sould
that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a general anesthetic -
which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make this call (I just
get to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch her sister for a bit
while I go to traffic court with hub. Hopefully have some answers from sonny boy
in there somewhere. Gonna be another one of those long days, but hey! I got me a
whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ... makes for an easy dinner. G

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:32:41 -0800, Fred wrote:

First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet
in the darn basement - that's no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on
saturday and skiing on sunday (g)

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:

I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod55271c7 ...
I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
week.
Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
than
likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
push
too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
took me
a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
This is a
great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
Then I
read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
work on
the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
when you
can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
recently
that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
sure of
that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
also didn't
add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
tougher
on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
causing
me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
now,
walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
feeling
it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
and
immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
your 2MPH
level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
(I'm making
the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
another
few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
you
will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
the same
benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
stages -
which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"
wrote:

HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!

You're not ready for a quiet house and I'm not ready for puberty but
they're both coming (like it or not). I caught Murdock staring at a girl
the other day...OMG he's only 10 ... it can't be happening yet ... can
it? He just blushed and looked away. ;-)

Connie

Joyce wrote:
Yup, and when you think you have it all figured out the kids go and change the
rules on you. G I'm becoming so much closer to a new stage in my life. Still
parenting, probably always will be regardless as to the age of my kids. But more
and more hub and I are finding ourselves home alone ... both kids off and running
in the evenings, have their own plans, own lives. Meal plans are difficult at
best, never knowing who will be around, IF anyone. I'm guessing this is supposed
to be our preparation for the inevitable. I'm not quite ready for this totally
quiet house ... even though I do like my quiet time. g

Joyce

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:01:24 -0500, Connie wrote:


I'm learning something about parenting all the time. It sure is
experimental.

Connie

Joyce wrote:

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Connie. I tell my kids they are just guinea
pigs ... parenting is purely an experimental process. G We do try hard though,
not much more we can do than that ... right?

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:37:15 -0500, Connie wrote:



Joyce, you sound like a really great mom!! Keep up the good work!!

Connie

Joyce wrote:


Thanks PR. So far he seems ok to me, has some spark back in his eyes and a new
plan of attack. At least he now sees there are still options in his life, this
does not make him a failure. Tomorrow (Friday) he is registering for classes at
the local college, keep him going while giving him some time to sort things out
also. Guess he at least feels better knowing he would be allowed to make whatever
decision he felt was best for HIM, and mom/dad weren't going to beat him up over
it. He is 19, has a whole lot of time ahead of him to figure things out. G

Daughter came through the teeth pulling like a trooper - did beg for more than
just a local anesthetic though. I took her to the oral surgeon I have been to, is
a wonderfully gentle and caring man. He told her she could ABSOLUTELY have
whatever she felt was needed, no way did he want her fearing or feeling pain or
any nervousness. She finally opted for a little bit of gas along with the local.
I could deal with that a lot better than the thought of the general anesthetic.
She didn't seem to have much pain, was taking some motrin though ... but thinks it
was more for the discomfort of the seperators that had also been put into her
teeth. Today no motrin, so she must be feeling much better.

I'm breathing, I'm breathing! Things have calmed down now, crisis appears to have
passed. G

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:40:16 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:




Sounds like your son's in the middle of a major life crisis. I truly
hope he comes through this whole, which most likely he will with you
in his corner. I'm sorry you're having to suffer his anxiety as well.

I feel for your daughter. Having braces put on is what turned me into
a confirmed dentalphobe. Now I ask for general anesthetic every time I
get my teeth cleaned; I settle for valium. Course if it was my
daughter asking for general anesthetic, I'd be nervous.G

I hope your day went better than it sounded in advance. Things can
only look UP, right?! Take a few minutes for yourself, and remember to
breathe.

Prairie Roots

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:18:30 -0600, Joyce wrote:




Thanks PR. Todays plan of attack blew out the window ... along with yesterdays
*good* set of answers. sigh Tomorrow is another day, a few other options, then
time to make some informed decisions.

Nothing overly major in the grand scheme of things, just blips in the road. Son
hadn't been doing well in college all year, grades dropped horrendously but he had
said nothing. We worried quietly here at home, while he tried valiantly to dig
himself out. Turns out he was given a bunch of bad information from his advisor
and baseball coach ... took a class he had no need to take ... entire grade turned
out to be based solely on final exam, which turned out to be an oral resume and
job interview that was drawn out of a hat when he entered the class for the exam
(he drew a career he knew absolutely nothing about) ... failed thus making him
ineligible for baseball. In the grand scheme of things this is really unimportant
... to him it is the world and he is currently shattered. He has had the carrot
dangled in front of his nose, so to speak - had pro scouts talking to him the last
few months, telling him at this given moment he has a 1:4 chance of being drafted
- not great but still not bad for a 19 year old. BUT he says needs to play for it
to happen, and it is his dream. So what do we do? Tell him to give up his dream?
I think dreams are what keep us going, keep us alive - I hate to just tell him to
quit and grow up aleady. So this week-end he has been investigating transferring
schools. Yesterday he was all set up, went to register today only to be told that
the school he is currently at has a wierd class schedule which has made him
ineligible for transferring deadlines (current college is just starting a new
term, whereas other colleges are much further along already). It also explains
why his current school has so many transferring IN at this time of year. My heart
once again broke for him today when he came home, he looked so darned defeated.
He is kicking himself for not saying anything to us over the holidays, he didn't
want to let us down. which he never would anyway

Had another heart to heart with him this afternoon, told him if he is really that
unhappy where he is at, then maybe consider transferring into the local jr.
college during spring quarter ... take some time to make a decision for next year.
Does it make sense for him to stick it out where he is currently at, only to not
go back next year anyway? So tomorrow morning he is back to the jr. college to
talk to the coach there, see if maybe he can even just work out with the team
while attending classes ... talk to one other school in the area .... then back to
current school to see if he can sweet talk his professor into giving him an
incomplete (probably not, is a first year teacher who appears to be in
authoratative mode). At least by knowing *answers* hopefully he can make an
informed decision and hopefully become more relaxed and happy.

I'm out bright and early tomorrow morning with daughter, she has to have 2 teeth
pulled for braces ... then afternoon in traffic court with hubby who hit a woman
who was backing down a one way street ... it's gonna be another one of those
looooooooong days. sigh I am incredibly tired, yet can't sleep.

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:05:29 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:




I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping that all works out well.
Peace be with you.

Prairie Roots
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:




I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:




Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:




hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:




I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod55271c7 ...



I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the

week.



Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more

than



likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to

push



too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,

took me



a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.

This is a



great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.

Then I



read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would

work on



the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline

when you



can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere

recently



that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too

sure of



that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I

also didn't



add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was

tougher



on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus

causing



me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months

now,



walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start

feeling



it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline

and



immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at

your 2MPH



level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH

(I'm making



the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for

another



few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,

you



will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get

the same



benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early

stages -



which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"

wrote:



HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!






--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/204/155
RAFL 210.5/204/198.5

Thanks for the info, I hadn't heard of the suits. I won't be joining, I'm not a
suing type of personality. I do see where they have a program of sorts in
operation though. $99 plus shipping and they replace your ipod with a current
model (probably refurbished) with a working battery. It isn't the best option,
but is an option. I do wish they would have made these batteries easier to
replace on your own. I found directions, but they look very confusing. It might
be the perfect job for my electrician brother though. G

Hope you had a wonderful ski trip! I DID make it back to the treadmill, felt
sooooooo wonderful ... and again this morning. I think I'm trying valiantly to do
damage control ... week-end has been totally out of control and character for me.
Ah well, there's always next week. G

Joyce

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:25:05 -0800, Fred wrote:

I've read about bad batteries on the ipods and a potential class
action suit.

Heading off skiing (just finished the oatmeal - down for the
sardines...)..............

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:38:13 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm hopeful, guess it all depends on him and how bad he wants it - right?
Financing options have changed a bit ... meaning mom and dad will not foot the
entire bill now until he proves to us that he does want the education. Did the
same for his older sis, he doesn't get special treatment. Mom is tough, but also
a firm believer that kids will think twice about wasting their own hard earned
money. G His friends are also going to college locally - one in a local 4 yr.
school, another at the jr. college. It isn't uncommon here either, our jr.
college's enrollment has reached the 30,000 student status - which seems very
large to me. Years ago it was ranked as one of the top jr. colleges in the
nation. Not sure where it ranks now, but will make the assumption that it still
is good. But again, you're going to get out of it what you put into it. Time
will tell. He does seem a bit more enthused than I have seen him before, is
enrolled now and can register officially for classes next Friday. He has several
classes jotted down that he wants to take, says he can't believe how many choices
are available here, as compared to where he was going. But yes, what he is going
through is nothing new ... to anyone. I seem to remember having a difficult time
myself - then decided college just wasn't the answer for me. Back *then*,
companies were very willing to train on the job. It's a much different world
today. G

As exciting as my life is, I think I could stand to add a few new toys. Might
push the *who's on top* highlight down a few pegs. G I was looking on amazon,
prices don't really look too bad. Think I will have to make a stop into a local
store though and get some answers as to what exactly I will need and what will
work with minimal changes/effect to my existing setup. It may have to wait a bit
- just found out this evening that daughters IPod died a sudden death. There's
another $400 I hadn't counted on. sigh

I've avoided the meringues today, but did feel the necessity to finally have
another mudslide. G Back to back high point days ... probably not a good plan,
but I'll live through it. Back on the treadmill tomorrow, no excuses, no
procrastination. That and the normal 20 loads of laundry that are still awaiting
me. I wish I could blame my lack of ambition on a cold or another illness, but
alas - it's just me in a bad funk. This too shall pass, and soon I hope.

I don't avoid pasta, but usually have it at home where I can control things
better. I have become used to the wheat pasta, have learned to cook it a bit
longer and then the texture seems better to me. But ... I caved last nite.
Journalled it all, over 7 points for the day - not good but sure have seen worse.
G Normally if I know I'm doing the pasta thing, I will cover for it elsewhere -
this was just one of those days where it sprang up as a surprise. Kind of like
dinner this evening. Last minute hub decided he wanted pizza. sigh

Joyce

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:43:56 -0800, Fred wrote:

Hope the local college works out for him. I will not admit to having
to feel my way in my second semester way back when. But it worked
out. At least, I think it did (G) I went to college from home - all
in NYC and environs. Many of us stayed local since it was reasonaby
priced (like FREE) and a good (back then) education.

Toys are what keep life exciting - no? Oh, maybe that was financially
broke - well, one or the other. The wireless has dropped
substantially in price - really.

Miss Meringues are sitting here now. Dessert after my pickled herring
sandwich. Waiting for a friend to call and up or down on a bike ride.
We are trying to decide if we are willing to possibly get rained on!
(G) Should have gone skiing but with a cold I figured I would wait
another day. (aside, we just decided to go for it! )

I still have avoided pasta - pretty much since I started WW. I did do
the buckwheat noodles about 3 months ago with a then Atkins friends.
She has since abandoned food to lose weight! (G)

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:17:16 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks again. Not sure if we are terrific, maybe more like jekyll and hyde? g
We have that tendency to go ballistic when alone (or with each other) then calm
down when the kids are around ... able to talk more reason into each other. Once
the smoke has cleared, we seem to be able to better cope. Thank heavens the kids
see very little of the smoke. G I remember never being allowed to make my own
decisions, or if I did I was always told they were wrong - have sworn that I would
not do that to my kids. It has taken me most of my life to overcome the lack of
confidence in myself. So if they make mistakes, they make mistakes. As long as
they learn from them, I figure it turns out ok. And dear ol' sonny boy is such a
complex being - hard for me to figure him out. The boy just had a rough year,
advisor from hell who set him back a few paces and he never took the initiative to
fight her. Ah well, live and learn. What I find is very funny (again, my warped
sense of humor) is that the local college was our first choice for him - as he is
such a homebody and really didn't know what he wanted to do. So again, his choice
to venture off, - and now it's his choice to return.

The treadmill is what is pushing me to look into the wireless ... just another
gimick, another toy. And you know how I love my toys! Working from the couch
would be *ok*, but definitely not a necessity - and not interested enough to make
me run out and investigate how much the option would cost me. For the purpose of
amusement though ......... hehehe.

Still no more mudslides here. I keep looking at the bottle, but haven't really
had the desire to venture to it. I really am not much of a drinker. And
yesterday I really overdid things. Waited much too long for dinner (7:30pm) and
was absolutely starving. Did the carry-in thing, pasta - not the best choice and
very large serving ... which I ate in entirety. Probably 20 points worth for
dinner alone. Added a skinny cow sandwich later in the evening. Went out for
lunch, but at least did keep that at fish and veggies. STILL - was a much heavier
day than I've had in a long time. Why is it that there are just *those days*
where you are hungry no matter what you eat or what you do (or what you don't do)?

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:31:49 -0800, Fred wrote:

Well, it sounds like mom and dad are terrific parents providing a
supportive home and allowing the kids to make their own decisions. I
am sure it will work out. Sometimes college is overwhelming and like
WW, you can get back in the game when the time is right. The local
option may work best for now.

Working wirelessly from out in the yard (not for months yet if you can
see the screen) or from the dining room or fireplace is neat but we
can get too spoiled, too. But exploiting the treadmill's interactive
or download features would push me (G) Another TOY!

No, no mudslides - just way too many meringues - I need to retake the
environment issue. I've been bringing home too much tempting JUNK.
And eating it. But I did well with the leg of lamb. Carved it last
night into 2.5 - 3.0 oz servings and froze it after eating a bit too
much wonderful "crust" the first night.

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:17:40 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Might not have worked out the way dad and I would prefer - but it
really isn't our choice - the kid needs to be happy, it's his life. He called me
while I was in the oral surgeons, as he was headed back to college to talk to his
professor. Asked me if he should just withdraw as long as he was there. Once
again I told him I would not make that decision, he had our blessing no matter
what he decided ... as well as a home to come to. I guess I look at things oddly
... would hate to have any of my children think there problems are so huge that
there is no possible way out other than a *forever* choice ... and seems to be
quite a few that do end up thinking that. Soooo - he is home now, registering for
classes at the local college tomorrow - while he sorts things out. When he came
back home, I couldn't believe how much more relaxed he looked already - finally
looked like he at least had some life in him. He's 19, still has a lot of growin'
up left in him. G

Thanks for the network info. I also checked with a friend of my sons, he pretty
much confirmed what you said. If I recall correctly, he said something about
purchasing a router that had maybe one wireless port but also had several wired
ports (or hubs or whatever???) .. then run the laptops off the wireless. It's a
thought, and I would enjoy being able to work on a computer from the dining room,
or family room ... without stringing temp cords all over the house. One more
thing for me to think about. You know how I feel about thinking! sigh

Did you find the mudslides? I haven't indulged in any more lately ... just might
have to move in that direction tomorrow though. It's sounding pretty danged good!

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:22:53 -0800, Fred wrote:

Don't slip on too much mudslide. Glad to hear things are sorting out.

I am not a network expert if there are such people these days but I
think you could link a desktop with a wired network to a laptop with
wireless and work with the type systems. But as you say, it probably
is not that important. I do enjoy the wireless laptop downstairs
beside the fireplace.

Take care and I will have to find mudslide - hmmm, maybe on the lunch
time walk in the predicted sunshine I can get to the state liquor
store (G)

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:30:17 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy, which is what is
important. As I told my older brother this week-end ... just another one of those
freakin' growth experiences. G Then I told hub I lived through it with my older
brother, lived through it myself, we lived through it with our oldest girl ...
will live through this current bout and then just think ... only one more to make
it through! G It's just the emotions that are totally shot right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think I've talked to a
single person who has had good experiences with them. And if I did put one in,
would I then have to disconnect my normal network ... or would I be able to pick
and choose when I wanted to use the wireless? I am just not thinking clearly
right now, probably not the best time to venture into this project. G

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and don't foresee being
able to for the next few days ... definitely not tomorrow anyway ... well ...
maybe by dinnertime? sigh Littlest daughter is having 2 teeth pulled in the
morning, in order to have braces put on. She is my worrier, timid little sould
that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a general anesthetic -
which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make this call (I just
get to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch her sister for a bit
while I go to traffic court with hub. Hopefully have some answers from sonny boy
in there somewhere. Gonna be another one of those long days, but hey! I got me a
whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ... makes for an easy dinner. G

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:32:41 -0800, Fred wrote:

First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet
in the darn basement - that's no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on
saturday and skiing on sunday (g)

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:

I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod55271c ...
I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
week.
Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
than
likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
push
too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
took me
a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
This is a
great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
Then I
read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
work on
the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
when you
can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
recently
that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
sure of
that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
also didn't
add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
tougher
on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
causing
me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
now,
walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
feeling
it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
and
immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
your 2MPH
level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
(I'm making
the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
another
few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
you
will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
the same
benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
stages -
which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"
wrote:

HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!

Well, if you can save some $$ on the ipod replacement = that would be
nice. I think that there was a review of a newer, smaller model the
other day.

The ski trip was not perfect (G) But it was nice being out and I did
not break or twist anything.

The scale this morning was NOT pleasant - Lesanne will almost
certainly win and I will lose (well, not weight)

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:47:56 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks for the info, I hadn't heard of the suits. I won't be joining, I'm not a
suing type of personality. I do see where they have a program of sorts in
operation though. $99 plus shipping and they replace your ipod with a current
model (probably refurbished) with a working battery. It isn't the best option,
but is an option. I do wish they would have made these batteries easier to
replace on your own. I found directions, but they look very confusing. It might
be the perfect job for my electrician brother though. G

Hope you had a wonderful ski trip! I DID make it back to the treadmill, felt
sooooooo wonderful ... and again this morning. I think I'm trying valiantly to do
damage control ... week-end has been totally out of control and character for me.
Ah well, there's always next week. G

Joyce

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:25:05 -0800, Fred wrote:

I've read about bad batteries on the ipods and a potential class
action suit.

Heading off skiing (just finished the oatmeal - down for the
sardines...)..............

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:38:13 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm hopeful, guess it all depends on him and how bad he wants it - right?
Financing options have changed a bit ... meaning mom and dad will not foot the
entire bill now until he proves to us that he does want the education. Did the
same for his older sis, he doesn't get special treatment. Mom is tough, but also
a firm believer that kids will think twice about wasting their own hard earned
money. G His friends are also going to college locally - one in a local 4 yr.
school, another at the jr. college. It isn't uncommon here either, our jr.
college's enrollment has reached the 30,000 student status - which seems very
large to me. Years ago it was ranked as one of the top jr. colleges in the
nation. Not sure where it ranks now, but will make the assumption that it still
is good. But again, you're going to get out of it what you put into it. Time
will tell. He does seem a bit more enthused than I have seen him before, is
enrolled now and can register officially for classes next Friday. He has several
classes jotted down that he wants to take, says he can't believe how many choices
are available here, as compared to where he was going. But yes, what he is going
through is nothing new ... to anyone. I seem to remember having a difficult time
myself - then decided college just wasn't the answer for me. Back *then*,
companies were very willing to train on the job. It's a much different world
today. G

As exciting as my life is, I think I could stand to add a few new toys. Might
push the *who's on top* highlight down a few pegs. G I was looking on amazon,
prices don't really look too bad. Think I will have to make a stop into a local
store though and get some answers as to what exactly I will need and what will
work with minimal changes/effect to my existing setup. It may have to wait a bit
- just found out this evening that daughters IPod died a sudden death. There's
another $400 I hadn't counted on. sigh

I've avoided the meringues today, but did feel the necessity to finally have
another mudslide. G Back to back high point days ... probably not a good plan,
but I'll live through it. Back on the treadmill tomorrow, no excuses, no
procrastination. That and the normal 20 loads of laundry that are still awaiting
me. I wish I could blame my lack of ambition on a cold or another illness, but
alas - it's just me in a bad funk. This too shall pass, and soon I hope.

I don't avoid pasta, but usually have it at home where I can control things
better. I have become used to the wheat pasta, have learned to cook it a bit
longer and then the texture seems better to me. But ... I caved last nite.
Journalled it all, over 7 points for the day - not good but sure have seen worse.
G Normally if I know I'm doing the pasta thing, I will cover for it elsewhere -
this was just one of those days where it sprang up as a surprise. Kind of like
dinner this evening. Last minute hub decided he wanted pizza. sigh

Joyce

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:43:56 -0800, Fred wrote:

Hope the local college works out for him. I will not admit to having
to feel my way in my second semester way back when. But it worked
out. At least, I think it did (G) I went to college from home - all
in NYC and environs. Many of us stayed local since it was reasonaby
priced (like FREE) and a good (back then) education.

Toys are what keep life exciting - no? Oh, maybe that was financially
broke - well, one or the other. The wireless has dropped
substantially in price - really.

Miss Meringues are sitting here now. Dessert after my pickled herring
sandwich. Waiting for a friend to call and up or down on a bike ride.
We are trying to decide if we are willing to possibly get rained on!
(G) Should have gone skiing but with a cold I figured I would wait
another day. (aside, we just decided to go for it! )

I still have avoided pasta - pretty much since I started WW. I did do
the buckwheat noodles about 3 months ago with a then Atkins friends.
She has since abandoned food to lose weight! (G)

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:17:16 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks again. Not sure if we are terrific, maybe more like jekyll and hyde? g
We have that tendency to go ballistic when alone (or with each other) then calm
down when the kids are around ... able to talk more reason into each other. Once
the smoke has cleared, we seem to be able to better cope. Thank heavens the kids
see very little of the smoke. G I remember never being allowed to make my own
decisions, or if I did I was always told they were wrong - have sworn that I would
not do that to my kids. It has taken me most of my life to overcome the lack of
confidence in myself. So if they make mistakes, they make mistakes. As long as
they learn from them, I figure it turns out ok. And dear ol' sonny boy is such a
complex being - hard for me to figure him out. The boy just had a rough year,
advisor from hell who set him back a few paces and he never took the initiative to
fight her. Ah well, live and learn. What I find is very funny (again, my warped
sense of humor) is that the local college was our first choice for him - as he is
such a homebody and really didn't know what he wanted to do. So again, his choice
to venture off, - and now it's his choice to return.

The treadmill is what is pushing me to look into the wireless ... just another
gimick, another toy. And you know how I love my toys! Working from the couch
would be *ok*, but definitely not a necessity - and not interested enough to make
me run out and investigate how much the option would cost me. For the purpose of
amusement though ......... hehehe.

Still no more mudslides here. I keep looking at the bottle, but haven't really
had the desire to venture to it. I really am not much of a drinker. And
yesterday I really overdid things. Waited much too long for dinner (7:30pm) and
was absolutely starving. Did the carry-in thing, pasta - not the best choice and
very large serving ... which I ate in entirety. Probably 20 points worth for
dinner alone. Added a skinny cow sandwich later in the evening. Went out for
lunch, but at least did keep that at fish and veggies. STILL - was a much heavier
day than I've had in a long time. Why is it that there are just *those days*
where you are hungry no matter what you eat or what you do (or what you don't do)?

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:31:49 -0800, Fred wrote:

Well, it sounds like mom and dad are terrific parents providing a
supportive home and allowing the kids to make their own decisions. I
am sure it will work out. Sometimes college is overwhelming and like
WW, you can get back in the game when the time is right. The local
option may work best for now.

Working wirelessly from out in the yard (not for months yet if you can
see the screen) or from the dining room or fireplace is neat but we
can get too spoiled, too. But exploiting the treadmill's interactive
or download features would push me (G) Another TOY!

No, no mudslides - just way too many meringues - I need to retake the
environment issue. I've been bringing home too much tempting JUNK.
And eating it. But I did well with the leg of lamb. Carved it last
night into 2.5 - 3.0 oz servings and froze it after eating a bit too
much wonderful "crust" the first night.

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:17:40 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Might not have worked out the way dad and I would prefer - but it
really isn't our choice - the kid needs to be happy, it's his life. He called me
while I was in the oral surgeons, as he was headed back to college to talk to his
professor. Asked me if he should just withdraw as long as he was there. Once
again I told him I would not make that decision, he had our blessing no matter
what he decided ... as well as a home to come to. I guess I look at things oddly
... would hate to have any of my children think there problems are so huge that
there is no possible way out other than a *forever* choice ... and seems to be
quite a few that do end up thinking that. Soooo - he is home now, registering for
classes at the local college tomorrow - while he sorts things out. When he came
back home, I couldn't believe how much more relaxed he looked already - finally
looked like he at least had some life in him. He's 19, still has a lot of growin'
up left in him. G

Thanks for the network info. I also checked with a friend of my sons, he pretty
much confirmed what you said. If I recall correctly, he said something about
purchasing a router that had maybe one wireless port but also had several wired
ports (or hubs or whatever???) .. then run the laptops off the wireless. It's a
thought, and I would enjoy being able to work on a computer from the dining room,
or family room ... without stringing temp cords all over the house. One more
thing for me to think about. You know how I feel about thinking! sigh

Did you find the mudslides? I haven't indulged in any more lately ... just might
have to move in that direction tomorrow though. It's sounding pretty danged good!

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:22:53 -0800, Fred wrote:

Don't slip on too much mudslide. Glad to hear things are sorting out.

I am not a network expert if there are such people these days but I
think you could link a desktop with a wired network to a laptop with
wireless and work with the type systems. But as you say, it probably
is not that important. I do enjoy the wireless laptop downstairs
beside the fireplace.

Take care and I will have to find mudslide - hmmm, maybe on the lunch
time walk in the predicted sunshine I can get to the state liquor
store (G)

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:30:17 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy, which is what is
important. As I told my older brother this week-end ... just another one of those
freakin' growth experiences. G Then I told hub I lived through it with my older
brother, lived through it myself, we lived through it with our oldest girl ...
will live through this current bout and then just think ... only one more to make
it through! G It's just the emotions that are totally shot right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think I've talked to a
single person who has had good experiences with them. And if I did put one in,
would I then have to disconnect my normal network ... or would I be able to pick
and choose when I wanted to use the wireless? I am just not thinking clearly
right now, probably not the best time to venture into this project. G

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and don't foresee being
able to for the next few days ... definitely not tomorrow anyway ... well ...
maybe by dinnertime? sigh Littlest daughter is having 2 teeth pulled in the
morning, in order to have braces put on. She is my worrier, timid little sould
that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a general anesthetic -
which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make this call (I just
get to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch her sister for a bit
while I go to traffic court with hub. Hopefully have some answers from sonny boy
in there somewhere. Gonna be another one of those long days, but hey! I got me a
whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ... makes for an easy dinner. G

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:32:41 -0800, Fred wrote:

First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet
in the darn basement - that's no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on
saturday and skiing on sunday (g)

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:

I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod55271 ...
I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
week.
Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
than
likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
push
too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
took me
a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
This is a
great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
Then I
read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
work on
the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
when you
can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
recently
that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
sure of
that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
also didn't
add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
tougher
on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
causing
me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
now,
walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
feeling
it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
and
immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
your 2MPH
level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
(I'm making
the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
another
few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
you
will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
the same
benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
stages -
which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"
wrote:

HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!

Yup, saving money would be nice ... daughter is pushing for one of the newer
models though. Hers is the lowest storage size and she would like to increase it.
We're into negotiations right now. G

I feel for your scale woes, am sure mine aren't going to be nice this week. I
don't know what's gotten into me but I feel like I've done nothing but eat, eat,
eat. Yesterday was better under control, but not enough to make up for the
week-end. Sigh

Joyce

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:22:05 -0800, Fred wrote:

Well, if you can save some $$ on the ipod replacement = that would be
nice. I think that there was a review of a newer, smaller model the
other day.

The ski trip was not perfect (G) But it was nice being out and I did
not break or twist anything.

The scale this morning was NOT pleasant - Lesanne will almost
certainly win and I will lose (well, not weight)

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:47:56 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks for the info, I hadn't heard of the suits. I won't be joining, I'm not a
suing type of personality. I do see where they have a program of sorts in
operation though. $99 plus shipping and they replace your ipod with a current
model (probably refurbished) with a working battery. It isn't the best option,
but is an option. I do wish they would have made these batteries easier to
replace on your own. I found directions, but they look very confusing. It might
be the perfect job for my electrician brother though. G

Hope you had a wonderful ski trip! I DID make it back to the treadmill, felt
sooooooo wonderful ... and again this morning. I think I'm trying valiantly to do
damage control ... week-end has been totally out of control and character for me.
Ah well, there's always next week. G

Joyce

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:25:05 -0800, Fred wrote:

I've read about bad batteries on the ipods and a potential class
action suit.

Heading off skiing (just finished the oatmeal - down for the
sardines...)..............

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:38:13 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm hopeful, guess it all depends on him and how bad he wants it - right?
Financing options have changed a bit ... meaning mom and dad will not foot the
entire bill now until he proves to us that he does want the education. Did the
same for his older sis, he doesn't get special treatment. Mom is tough, but also
a firm believer that kids will think twice about wasting their own hard earned
money. G His friends are also going to college locally - one in a local 4 yr.
school, another at the jr. college. It isn't uncommon here either, our jr.
college's enrollment has reached the 30,000 student status - which seems very
large to me. Years ago it was ranked as one of the top jr. colleges in the
nation. Not sure where it ranks now, but will make the assumption that it still
is good. But again, you're going to get out of it what you put into it. Time
will tell. He does seem a bit more enthused than I have seen him before, is
enrolled now and can register officially for classes next Friday. He has several
classes jotted down that he wants to take, says he can't believe how many choices
are available here, as compared to where he was going. But yes, what he is going
through is nothing new ... to anyone. I seem to remember having a difficult time
myself - then decided college just wasn't the answer for me. Back *then*,
companies were very willing to train on the job. It's a much different world
today. G

As exciting as my life is, I think I could stand to add a few new toys. Might
push the *who's on top* highlight down a few pegs. G I was looking on amazon,
prices don't really look too bad. Think I will have to make a stop into a local
store though and get some answers as to what exactly I will need and what will
work with minimal changes/effect to my existing setup. It may have to wait a bit
- just found out this evening that daughters IPod died a sudden death. There's
another $400 I hadn't counted on. sigh

I've avoided the meringues today, but did feel the necessity to finally have
another mudslide. G Back to back high point days ... probably not a good plan,
but I'll live through it. Back on the treadmill tomorrow, no excuses, no
procrastination. That and the normal 20 loads of laundry that are still awaiting
me. I wish I could blame my lack of ambition on a cold or another illness, but
alas - it's just me in a bad funk. This too shall pass, and soon I hope.

I don't avoid pasta, but usually have it at home where I can control things
better. I have become used to the wheat pasta, have learned to cook it a bit
longer and then the texture seems better to me. But ... I caved last nite.
Journalled it all, over 7 points for the day - not good but sure have seen worse.
G Normally if I know I'm doing the pasta thing, I will cover for it elsewhere -
this was just one of those days where it sprang up as a surprise. Kind of like
dinner this evening. Last minute hub decided he wanted pizza. sigh

Joyce

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:43:56 -0800, Fred wrote:

Hope the local college works out for him. I will not admit to having
to feel my way in my second semester way back when. But it worked
out. At least, I think it did (G) I went to college from home - all
in NYC and environs. Many of us stayed local since it was reasonaby
priced (like FREE) and a good (back then) education.

Toys are what keep life exciting - no? Oh, maybe that was financially
broke - well, one or the other. The wireless has dropped
substantially in price - really.

Miss Meringues are sitting here now. Dessert after my pickled herring
sandwich. Waiting for a friend to call and up or down on a bike ride.
We are trying to decide if we are willing to possibly get rained on!
(G) Should have gone skiing but with a cold I figured I would wait
another day. (aside, we just decided to go for it! )

I still have avoided pasta - pretty much since I started WW. I did do
the buckwheat noodles about 3 months ago with a then Atkins friends.
She has since abandoned food to lose weight! (G)

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:17:16 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks again. Not sure if we are terrific, maybe more like jekyll and hyde? g
We have that tendency to go ballistic when alone (or with each other) then calm
down when the kids are around ... able to talk more reason into each other. Once
the smoke has cleared, we seem to be able to better cope. Thank heavens the kids
see very little of the smoke. G I remember never being allowed to make my own
decisions, or if I did I was always told they were wrong - have sworn that I would
not do that to my kids. It has taken me most of my life to overcome the lack of
confidence in myself. So if they make mistakes, they make mistakes. As long as
they learn from them, I figure it turns out ok. And dear ol' sonny boy is such a
complex being - hard for me to figure him out. The boy just had a rough year,
advisor from hell who set him back a few paces and he never took the initiative to
fight her. Ah well, live and learn. What I find is very funny (again, my warped
sense of humor) is that the local college was our first choice for him - as he is
such a homebody and really didn't know what he wanted to do. So again, his choice
to venture off, - and now it's his choice to return.

The treadmill is what is pushing me to look into the wireless ... just another
gimick, another toy. And you know how I love my toys! Working from the couch
would be *ok*, but definitely not a necessity - and not interested enough to make
me run out and investigate how much the option would cost me. For the purpose of
amusement though ......... hehehe.

Still no more mudslides here. I keep looking at the bottle, but haven't really
had the desire to venture to it. I really am not much of a drinker. And
yesterday I really overdid things. Waited much too long for dinner (7:30pm) and
was absolutely starving. Did the carry-in thing, pasta - not the best choice and
very large serving ... which I ate in entirety. Probably 20 points worth for
dinner alone. Added a skinny cow sandwich later in the evening. Went out for
lunch, but at least did keep that at fish and veggies. STILL - was a much heavier
day than I've had in a long time. Why is it that there are just *those days*
where you are hungry no matter what you eat or what you do (or what you don't do)?

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:31:49 -0800, Fred wrote:

Well, it sounds like mom and dad are terrific parents providing a
supportive home and allowing the kids to make their own decisions. I
am sure it will work out. Sometimes college is overwhelming and like
WW, you can get back in the game when the time is right. The local
option may work best for now.

Working wirelessly from out in the yard (not for months yet if you can
see the screen) or from the dining room or fireplace is neat but we
can get too spoiled, too. But exploiting the treadmill's interactive
or download features would push me (G) Another TOY!

No, no mudslides - just way too many meringues - I need to retake the
environment issue. I've been bringing home too much tempting JUNK.
And eating it. But I did well with the leg of lamb. Carved it last
night into 2.5 - 3.0 oz servings and froze it after eating a bit too
much wonderful "crust" the first night.

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:17:40 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Might not have worked out the way dad and I would prefer - but it
really isn't our choice - the kid needs to be happy, it's his life. He called me
while I was in the oral surgeons, as he was headed back to college to talk to his
professor. Asked me if he should just withdraw as long as he was there. Once
again I told him I would not make that decision, he had our blessing no matter
what he decided ... as well as a home to come to. I guess I look at things oddly
... would hate to have any of my children think there problems are so huge that
there is no possible way out other than a *forever* choice ... and seems to be
quite a few that do end up thinking that. Soooo - he is home now, registering for
classes at the local college tomorrow - while he sorts things out. When he came
back home, I couldn't believe how much more relaxed he looked already - finally
looked like he at least had some life in him. He's 19, still has a lot of growin'
up left in him. G

Thanks for the network info. I also checked with a friend of my sons, he pretty
much confirmed what you said. If I recall correctly, he said something about
purchasing a router that had maybe one wireless port but also had several wired
ports (or hubs or whatever???) .. then run the laptops off the wireless. It's a
thought, and I would enjoy being able to work on a computer from the dining room,
or family room ... without stringing temp cords all over the house. One more
thing for me to think about. You know how I feel about thinking! sigh

Did you find the mudslides? I haven't indulged in any more lately ... just might
have to move in that direction tomorrow though. It's sounding pretty danged good!

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:22:53 -0800, Fred wrote:

Don't slip on too much mudslide. Glad to hear things are sorting out.

I am not a network expert if there are such people these days but I
think you could link a desktop with a wired network to a laptop with
wireless and work with the type systems. But as you say, it probably
is not that important. I do enjoy the wireless laptop downstairs
beside the fireplace.

Take care and I will have to find mudslide - hmmm, maybe on the lunch
time walk in the predicted sunshine I can get to the state liquor
store (G)

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:30:17 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy, which is what is
important. As I told my older brother this week-end ... just another one of those
freakin' growth experiences. G Then I told hub I lived through it with my older
brother, lived through it myself, we lived through it with our oldest girl ...
will live through this current bout and then just think ... only one more to make
it through! G It's just the emotions that are totally shot right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think I've talked to a
single person who has had good experiences with them. And if I did put one in,
would I then have to disconnect my normal network ... or would I be able to pick
and choose when I wanted to use the wireless? I am just not thinking clearly
right now, probably not the best time to venture into this project. G

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and don't foresee being
able to for the next few days ... definitely not tomorrow anyway ... well ...
maybe by dinnertime? sigh Littlest daughter is having 2 teeth pulled in the
morning, in order to have braces put on. She is my worrier, timid little sould
that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a general anesthetic -
which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make this call (I just
get to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch her sister for a bit
while I go to traffic court with hub. Hopefully have some answers from sonny boy
in there somewhere. Gonna be another one of those long days, but hey! I got me a
whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ... makes for an easy dinner. G

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:32:41 -0800, Fred wrote:

First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet
in the darn basement - that's no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on
saturday and skiing on sunday (g)

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:

I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod5527 ...
I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
week.
Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
than
likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
push
too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
took me
a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
This is a
great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
Then I
read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
work on
the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
when you
can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
recently
that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
sure of
that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
also didn't
add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
tougher
on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
causing
me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
now,
walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
feeling
it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
and
immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
your 2MPH
level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
(I'm making
the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
another
few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
you
will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
the same
benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
stages -
which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"
wrote:

HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:37:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Yup, saving money would be nice ... daughter is pushing for one of the newer
models though. Hers is the lowest storage size and she would like to increase it.
We're into negotiations right now. G

GGGGGGGG. Bring in the Teamsters

I feel for your scale woes, am sure mine aren't going to be nice this week. I
don't know what's gotten into me but I feel like I've done nothing but eat, eat,
eat. Yesterday was better under control, but not enough to make up for the
week-end. Sigh

I am beginning to wonder if maybe I should try cutting down meals a
bit (half a sweet potato or less shrimp) and save the points for
junk??? (G) Shrink that pastrami sandwich a bit (have them cut in
1/3's rather than half. Ideas like that.


Joyce

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:22:05 -0800, Fred wrote:

Well, if you can save some $$ on the ipod replacement = that would be
nice. I think that there was a review of a newer, smaller model the
other day.

The ski trip was not perfect (G) But it was nice being out and I did
not break or twist anything.

The scale this morning was NOT pleasant - Lesanne will almost
certainly win and I will lose (well, not weight)

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:47:56 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks for the info, I hadn't heard of the suits. I won't be joining, I'm not a
suing type of personality. I do see where they have a program of sorts in
operation though. $99 plus shipping and they replace your ipod with a current
model (probably refurbished) with a working battery. It isn't the best option,
but is an option. I do wish they would have made these batteries easier to
replace on your own. I found directions, but they look very confusing. It might
be the perfect job for my electrician brother though. G

Hope you had a wonderful ski trip! I DID make it back to the treadmill, felt
sooooooo wonderful ... and again this morning. I think I'm trying valiantly to do
damage control ... week-end has been totally out of control and character for me.
Ah well, there's always next week. G

Joyce

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:25:05 -0800, Fred wrote:

I've read about bad batteries on the ipods and a potential class
action suit.

Heading off skiing (just finished the oatmeal - down for the
sardines...)..............

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:38:13 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm hopeful, guess it all depends on him and how bad he wants it - right?
Financing options have changed a bit ... meaning mom and dad will not foot the
entire bill now until he proves to us that he does want the education. Did the
same for his older sis, he doesn't get special treatment. Mom is tough, but also
a firm believer that kids will think twice about wasting their own hard earned
money. G His friends are also going to college locally - one in a local 4 yr.
school, another at the jr. college. It isn't uncommon here either, our jr.
college's enrollment has reached the 30,000 student status - which seems very
large to me. Years ago it was ranked as one of the top jr. colleges in the
nation. Not sure where it ranks now, but will make the assumption that it still
is good. But again, you're going to get out of it what you put into it. Time
will tell. He does seem a bit more enthused than I have seen him before, is
enrolled now and can register officially for classes next Friday. He has several
classes jotted down that he wants to take, says he can't believe how many choices
are available here, as compared to where he was going. But yes, what he is going
through is nothing new ... to anyone. I seem to remember having a difficult time
myself - then decided college just wasn't the answer for me. Back *then*,
companies were very willing to train on the job. It's a much different world
today. G

As exciting as my life is, I think I could stand to add a few new toys. Might
push the *who's on top* highlight down a few pegs. G I was looking on amazon,
prices don't really look too bad. Think I will have to make a stop into a local
store though and get some answers as to what exactly I will need and what will
work with minimal changes/effect to my existing setup. It may have to wait a bit
- just found out this evening that daughters IPod died a sudden death. There's
another $400 I hadn't counted on. sigh

I've avoided the meringues today, but did feel the necessity to finally have
another mudslide. G Back to back high point days ... probably not a good plan,
but I'll live through it. Back on the treadmill tomorrow, no excuses, no
procrastination. That and the normal 20 loads of laundry that are still awaiting
me. I wish I could blame my lack of ambition on a cold or another illness, but
alas - it's just me in a bad funk. This too shall pass, and soon I hope.

I don't avoid pasta, but usually have it at home where I can control things
better. I have become used to the wheat pasta, have learned to cook it a bit
longer and then the texture seems better to me. But ... I caved last nite.
Journalled it all, over 7 points for the day - not good but sure have seen worse.
G Normally if I know I'm doing the pasta thing, I will cover for it elsewhere -
this was just one of those days where it sprang up as a surprise. Kind of like
dinner this evening. Last minute hub decided he wanted pizza. sigh

Joyce

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:43:56 -0800, Fred wrote:

Hope the local college works out for him. I will not admit to having
to feel my way in my second semester way back when. But it worked
out. At least, I think it did (G) I went to college from home - all
in NYC and environs. Many of us stayed local since it was reasonaby
priced (like FREE) and a good (back then) education.

Toys are what keep life exciting - no? Oh, maybe that was financially
broke - well, one or the other. The wireless has dropped
substantially in price - really.

Miss Meringues are sitting here now. Dessert after my pickled herring
sandwich. Waiting for a friend to call and up or down on a bike ride.
We are trying to decide if we are willing to possibly get rained on!
(G) Should have gone skiing but with a cold I figured I would wait
another day. (aside, we just decided to go for it! )

I still have avoided pasta - pretty much since I started WW. I did do
the buckwheat noodles about 3 months ago with a then Atkins friends.
She has since abandoned food to lose weight! (G)

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:17:16 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks again. Not sure if we are terrific, maybe more like jekyll and hyde? g
We have that tendency to go ballistic when alone (or with each other) then calm
down when the kids are around ... able to talk more reason into each other. Once
the smoke has cleared, we seem to be able to better cope. Thank heavens the kids
see very little of the smoke. G I remember never being allowed to make my own
decisions, or if I did I was always told they were wrong - have sworn that I would
not do that to my kids. It has taken me most of my life to overcome the lack of
confidence in myself. So if they make mistakes, they make mistakes. As long as
they learn from them, I figure it turns out ok. And dear ol' sonny boy is such a
complex being - hard for me to figure him out. The boy just had a rough year,
advisor from hell who set him back a few paces and he never took the initiative to
fight her. Ah well, live and learn. What I find is very funny (again, my warped
sense of humor) is that the local college was our first choice for him - as he is
such a homebody and really didn't know what he wanted to do. So again, his choice
to venture off, - and now it's his choice to return.

The treadmill is what is pushing me to look into the wireless ... just another
gimick, another toy. And you know how I love my toys! Working from the couch
would be *ok*, but definitely not a necessity - and not interested enough to make
me run out and investigate how much the option would cost me. For the purpose of
amusement though ......... hehehe.

Still no more mudslides here. I keep looking at the bottle, but haven't really
had the desire to venture to it. I really am not much of a drinker. And
yesterday I really overdid things. Waited much too long for dinner (7:30pm) and
was absolutely starving. Did the carry-in thing, pasta - not the best choice and
very large serving ... which I ate in entirety. Probably 20 points worth for
dinner alone. Added a skinny cow sandwich later in the evening. Went out for
lunch, but at least did keep that at fish and veggies. STILL - was a much heavier
day than I've had in a long time. Why is it that there are just *those days*
where you are hungry no matter what you eat or what you do (or what you don't do)?

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:31:49 -0800, Fred wrote:

Well, it sounds like mom and dad are terrific parents providing a
supportive home and allowing the kids to make their own decisions. I
am sure it will work out. Sometimes college is overwhelming and like
WW, you can get back in the game when the time is right. The local
option may work best for now.

Working wirelessly from out in the yard (not for months yet if you can
see the screen) or from the dining room or fireplace is neat but we
can get too spoiled, too. But exploiting the treadmill's interactive
or download features would push me (G) Another TOY!

No, no mudslides - just way too many meringues - I need to retake the
environment issue. I've been bringing home too much tempting JUNK.
And eating it. But I did well with the leg of lamb. Carved it last
night into 2.5 - 3.0 oz servings and froze it after eating a bit too
much wonderful "crust" the first night.

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:17:40 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Might not have worked out the way dad and I would prefer - but it
really isn't our choice - the kid needs to be happy, it's his life. He called me
while I was in the oral surgeons, as he was headed back to college to talk to his
professor. Asked me if he should just withdraw as long as he was there. Once
again I told him I would not make that decision, he had our blessing no matter
what he decided ... as well as a home to come to. I guess I look at things oddly
... would hate to have any of my children think there problems are so huge that
there is no possible way out other than a *forever* choice ... and seems to be
quite a few that do end up thinking that. Soooo - he is home now, registering for
classes at the local college tomorrow - while he sorts things out. When he came
back home, I couldn't believe how much more relaxed he looked already - finally
looked like he at least had some life in him. He's 19, still has a lot of growin'
up left in him. G

Thanks for the network info. I also checked with a friend of my sons, he pretty
much confirmed what you said. If I recall correctly, he said something about
purchasing a router that had maybe one wireless port but also had several wired
ports (or hubs or whatever???) .. then run the laptops off the wireless. It's a
thought, and I would enjoy being able to work on a computer from the dining room,
or family room ... without stringing temp cords all over the house. One more
thing for me to think about. You know how I feel about thinking! sigh

Did you find the mudslides? I haven't indulged in any more lately ... just might
have to move in that direction tomorrow though. It's sounding pretty danged good!

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:22:53 -0800, Fred wrote:

Don't slip on too much mudslide. Glad to hear things are sorting out.

I am not a network expert if there are such people these days but I
think you could link a desktop with a wired network to a laptop with
wireless and work with the type systems. But as you say, it probably
is not that important. I do enjoy the wireless laptop downstairs
beside the fireplace.

Take care and I will have to find mudslide - hmmm, maybe on the lunch
time walk in the predicted sunshine I can get to the state liquor
store (G)

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:30:17 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy, which is what is
important. As I told my older brother this week-end ... just another one of those
freakin' growth experiences. G Then I told hub I lived through it with my older
brother, lived through it myself, we lived through it with our oldest girl ...
will live through this current bout and then just think ... only one more to make
it through! G It's just the emotions that are totally shot right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think I've talked to a
single person who has had good experiences with them. And if I did put one in,
would I then have to disconnect my normal network ... or would I be able to pick
and choose when I wanted to use the wireless? I am just not thinking clearly
right now, probably not the best time to venture into this project. G

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and don't foresee being
able to for the next few days ... definitely not tomorrow anyway ... well ...
maybe by dinnertime? sigh Littlest daughter is having 2 teeth pulled in the
morning, in order to have braces put on. She is my worrier, timid little sould
that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a general anesthetic -
which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make this call (I just
get to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch her sister for a bit
while I go to traffic court with hub. Hopefully have some answers from sonny boy
in there somewhere. Gonna be another one of those long days, but hey! I got me a
whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ... makes for an easy dinner. G

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:32:41 -0800, Fred wrote:

First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet
in the darn basement - that's no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on
saturday and skiing on sunday (g)

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:

I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod552 ...
I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
week.
Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
than
likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
push
too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
took me
a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
This is a
great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
Then I
read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
work on
the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
when you
can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
recently
that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
sure of
that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
also didn't
add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
tougher
on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
causing
me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
now,
walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
feeling
it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
and
immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
your 2MPH
level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
(I'm making
the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
another
few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
you
will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
the same
benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
stages -
which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"
wrote:

HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!

Fred this interesting to me, it goes back to my bedtime snack issue. When I
started I tried to cut out the bedtime eating with disasters results. I
found myself waking up in front of the frig with food in my hand, never had
that happen before. Now I determined that there is type of food, fruit
rather than cheese say, then there is portion, a cup of pasta rather than
say, three, then there is patterns, 3 meals and 2 snacks, one large meal
with smaller snacks, and me, snacks all the time with a few large meals
during the week. I figured out portions weren't a big deal, fruit is just,
well almost as desirable as cheese, and I also figured that the pattern
really couldn't be changed. I eat every hour or two I have just learned to
have 2 to 5 points at a time instead of 10 to 30. I think this is why
things are working for me. Lee
Fred wrote in message
...


On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:37:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Yup, saving money would be nice ... daughter is pushing for one of the
newer
models though. Hers is the lowest storage size and she would like to
increase it.
We're into negotiations right now. G

GGGGGGGG. Bring in the Teamsters

I feel for your scale woes, am sure mine aren't going to be nice this
week. I
don't know what's gotten into me but I feel like I've done nothing but
eat, eat,
eat. Yesterday was better under control, but not enough to make up for
the
week-end. Sigh

I am beginning to wonder if maybe I should try cutting down meals a
bit (half a sweet potato or less shrimp) and save the points for
junk??? (G) Shrink that pastrami sandwich a bit (have them cut in
1/3's rather than half. Ideas like that.


Joyce

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:22:05 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Well, if you can save some $$ on the ipod replacement = that would be
nice. I think that there was a review of a newer, smaller model the
other day.

The ski trip was not perfect (G) But it was nice being out and I did
not break or twist anything.

The scale this morning was NOT pleasant - Lesanne will almost
certainly win and I will lose (well, not weight)

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:47:56 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks for the info, I hadn't heard of the suits. I won't be joining,
I'm not a
suing type of personality. I do see where they have a program of sorts
in
operation though. $99 plus shipping and they replace your ipod with a
current
model (probably refurbished) with a working battery. It isn't the best
option,
but is an option. I do wish they would have made these batteries
easier to
replace on your own. I found directions, but they look very confusing.
It might
be the perfect job for my electrician brother though. G

Hope you had a wonderful ski trip! I DID make it back to the
treadmill, felt
sooooooo wonderful ... and again this morning. I think I'm trying
valiantly to do
damage control ... week-end has been totally out of control and
character for me.
Ah well, there's always next week. G

Joyce

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:25:05 -0800, Fred
wrote:

I've read about bad batteries on the ipods and a potential class
action suit.

Heading off skiing (just finished the oatmeal - down for the
sardines...)..............

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:38:13 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm hopeful, guess it all depends on him and how bad he wants it -
right?
Financing options have changed a bit ... meaning mom and dad will not
foot the
entire bill now until he proves to us that he does want the
education. Did the
same for his older sis, he doesn't get special treatment. Mom is
tough, but also
a firm believer that kids will think twice about wasting their own
hard earned
money. G His friends are also going to college locally - one in a
local 4 yr.
school, another at the jr. college. It isn't uncommon here either,
our jr.
college's enrollment has reached the 30,000 student status - which
seems very
large to me. Years ago it was ranked as one of the top jr. colleges
in the
nation. Not sure where it ranks now, but will make the assumption
that it still
is good. But again, you're going to get out of it what you put into
it. Time
will tell. He does seem a bit more enthused than I have seen him
before, is
enrolled now and can register officially for classes next Friday. He
has several
classes jotted down that he wants to take, says he can't believe how
many choices
are available here, as compared to where he was going. But yes, what
he is going
through is nothing new ... to anyone. I seem to remember having a
difficult time
myself - then decided college just wasn't the answer for me. Back
*then*,
companies were very willing to train on the job. It's a much
different world
today. G

As exciting as my life is, I think I could stand to add a few new
toys. Might
push the *who's on top* highlight down a few pegs. G I was
looking on amazon,
prices don't really look too bad. Think I will have to make a stop
into a local
store though and get some answers as to what exactly I will need and
what will
work with minimal changes/effect to my existing setup. It may have
to wait a bit
- just found out this evening that daughters IPod died a sudden
death. There's
another $400 I hadn't counted on. sigh

I've avoided the meringues today, but did feel the necessity to
finally have
another mudslide. G Back to back high point days ... probably not
a good plan,
but I'll live through it. Back on the treadmill tomorrow, no excuses
, no
procrastination. That and the normal 20 loads of laundry that are
still awaiting
me. I wish I could blame my lack of ambition on a cold or another
illness, but
alas - it's just me in a bad funk. This too shall pass, and soon I
hope.

I don't avoid pasta, but usually have it at home where I can control
things
better. I have become used to the wheat pasta, have learned to cook
it a bit
longer and then the texture seems better to me. But ... I caved last
nite.
Journalled it all, over 7 points for the day - not good but sure have
seen worse.
G Normally if I know I'm doing the pasta thing, I will cover for
it elsewhere -
this was just one of those days where it sprang up as a surprise.
Kind of like
dinner this evening. Last minute hub decided he wanted pizza.
sigh

Joyce

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:43:56 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Hope the local college works out for him. I will not admit to
having
to feel my way in my second semester way back when. But it worked
out. At least, I think it did (G) I went to college from home -
all
in NYC and environs. Many of us stayed local since it was reasonaby
priced (like FREE) and a good (back then) education.

Toys are what keep life exciting - no? Oh, maybe that was
financially
broke - well, one or the other. The wireless has dropped
substantially in price - really.

Miss Meringues are sitting here now. Dessert after my pickled
herring
sandwich. Waiting for a friend to call and up or down on a bike
ride.
We are trying to decide if we are willing to possibly get rained on!
(G) Should have gone skiing but with a cold I figured I would wait
another day. (aside, we just decided to go for it! )

I still have avoided pasta - pretty much since I started WW. I did
do
the buckwheat noodles about 3 months ago with a then Atkins friends.
She has since abandoned food to lose weight! (G)

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:17:16 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks again. Not sure if we are terrific, maybe more like jekyll
and hyde? g
We have that tendency to go ballistic when alone (or with each
other) then calm
down when the kids are around ... able to talk more reason into
each other. Once
the smoke has cleared, we seem to be able to better cope. Thank
heavens the kids
see very little of the smoke. G I remember never being allowed
to make my own
decisions, or if I did I was always told they were wrong - have
sworn that I would
not do that to my kids. It has taken me most of my life to
overcome the lack of
confidence in myself. So if they make mistakes, they make
mistakes. As long as
they learn from them, I figure it turns out ok. And dear ol' sonny
boy is such a
complex being - hard for me to figure him out. The boy just had a
rough year,
advisor from hell who set him back a few paces and he never took
the initiative to
fight her. Ah well, live and learn. What I find is very funny
(again, my warped
sense of humor) is that the local college was our first choice for
him - as he is
such a homebody and really didn't know what he wanted to do. So
again, his choice
to venture off, - and now it's his choice to return.

The treadmill is what is pushing me to look into the wireless ...
just another
gimick, another toy. And you know how I love my toys! Working
from the couch
would be *ok*, but definitely not a necessity - and not interested
enough to make
me run out and investigate how much the option would cost me. For
the purpose of
amusement though ......... hehehe.

Still no more mudslides here. I keep looking at the bottle, but
haven't really
had the desire to venture to it. I really am not much of a
drinker. And
yesterday I really overdid things. Waited much too long for dinner
(7:30pm) and
was absolutely starving. Did the carry-in thing, pasta - not the
best choice and
very large serving ... which I ate in entirety. Probably 20 points
worth for
dinner alone. Added a skinny cow sandwich later in the evening.
Went out for
lunch, but at least did keep that at fish and veggies. STILL - was
a much heavier
day than I've had in a long time. Why is it that there are just
*those days*
where you are hungry no matter what you eat or what you do (or what
you don't do)?

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:31:49 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Well, it sounds like mom and dad are terrific parents providing a
supportive home and allowing the kids to make their own decisions.
I
am sure it will work out. Sometimes college is overwhelming and
like
WW, you can get back in the game when the time is right. The
local
option may work best for now.

Working wirelessly from out in the yard (not for months yet if you
can
see the screen) or from the dining room or fireplace is neat but
we
can get too spoiled, too. But exploiting the treadmill's
interactive
or download features would push me (G) Another TOY!

No, no mudslides - just way too many meringues - I need to retake
the
environment issue. I've been bringing home too much tempting
JUNK.
And eating it. But I did well with the leg of lamb. Carved it
last
night into 2.5 - 3.0 oz servings and froze it after eating a bit
too
much wonderful "crust" the first night.

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:17:40 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Might not have worked out the way dad and I would
prefer - but it
really isn't our choice - the kid needs to be happy, it's his
life. He called me
while I was in the oral surgeons, as he was headed back to
college to talk to his
professor. Asked me if he should just withdraw as long as he was
there. Once
again I told him I would not make that decision, he had our
blessing no matter
what he decided ... as well as a home to come to. I guess I look
at things oddly
... would hate to have any of my children think there problems
are so huge that
there is no possible way out other than a *forever* choice ...
and seems to be
quite a few that do end up thinking that. Soooo - he is home
now, registering for
classes at the local college tomorrow - while he sorts things
out. When he came
back home, I couldn't believe how much more relaxed he looked
already - finally
looked like he at least had some life in him. He's 19, still has
a lot of growin'
up left in him. G

Thanks for the network info. I also checked with a friend of my
sons, he pretty
much confirmed what you said. If I recall correctly, he said
something about
purchasing a router that had maybe one wireless port but also had
several wired
ports (or hubs or whatever???) .. then run the laptops off the
wireless. It's a
thought, and I would enjoy being able to work on a computer from
the dining room,
or family room ... without stringing temp cords all over the
house. One more
thing for me to think about. You know how I feel about
thinking! sigh

Did you find the mudslides? I haven't indulged in any more
lately ... just might
have to move in that direction tomorrow though. It's sounding
pretty danged good!

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:22:53 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Don't slip on too much mudslide. Glad to hear things are
sorting out.

I am not a network expert if there are such people these days
but I
think you could link a desktop with a wired network to a laptop
with
wireless and work with the type systems. But as you say, it
probably
is not that important. I do enjoy the wireless laptop
downstairs
beside the fireplace.

Take care and I will have to find mudslide - hmmm, maybe on the
lunch
time walk in the predicted sunshine I can get to the state
liquor
store (G)

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:30:17 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy,
which is what is
important. As I told my older brother this week-end ... just
another one of those
freakin' growth experiences. G Then I told hub I lived
through it with my older
brother, lived through it myself, we lived through it with our
oldest girl ...
will live through this current bout and then just think ...
only one more to make
it through! G It's just the emotions that are totally shot
right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think
I've talked to a
single person who has had good experiences with them. And if I
did put one in,
would I then have to disconnect my normal network ... or would
I be able to pick
and choose when I wanted to use the wireless? I am just not
thinking clearly
right now, probably not the best time to venture into this
project. G

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and
don't foresee being
able to for the next few days ... definitely not tomorrow
anyway ... well ...
maybe by dinnertime? sigh Littlest daughter is having 2
teeth pulled in the
morning, in order to have braces put on. She is my worrier,
timid little sould
that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a
general anesthetic -
which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make
this call (I just
get to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch
her sister for a bit
while I go to traffic court with hub. Hopefully have some
answers from sonny boy
in there somewhere. Gonna be another one of those long days,
but hey! I got me a
whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ... makes for an easy
dinner. G

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:32:41 -0800, Fred
wrote:

First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the
internet
in the darn basement - that's no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from
biking on
saturday and skiing on sunday (g)

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce
wrote:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet
access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying
to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline
down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a
slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting
them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no
treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now
has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on
Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the
newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill
while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of
approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time.
15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the
slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce
wrote:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the
burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd
player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that
can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ...
making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still
overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and
see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now
know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need
to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to
throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan
on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be
hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming
and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables
through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and
get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery
settings. And through the
website it will also automatically
control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even
realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean"
wrote:

I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you
"know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for
the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod552 ...
I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you
throughout the
week.
Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your
muscles are more
than
likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on
them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on
occassion when I try to
push
too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let
go of the water,
took me
a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the
bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at
a pace of 2MPH.
This is a
great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing
in the beginning.
Then I
read that you added the incline into the routine
already. Myself, I would
work on
the distance and speed first ... start gradually
increasing the incline
when you
can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think
I read somewhere
recently
that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and
3.5 MPH - not too
sure of
that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it
myself - but I
also didn't
add it until I was consistently up in speed and
duration, as I felt it was
tougher
on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to
fluids???), thus
causing
me to tire out faster. I've been working on the
treadmill for many months
now,
walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and
I tell ya, I start
feeling
it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start
declining the incline
and
immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could
work a few days at
your 2MPH
level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed
by .1 or .2 MPH
(I'm making
the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan
and all) - go for
another
few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length
of time the same,
you
will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You
will still get
the same
benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring
yourself in the early
stages -
which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough
stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"

wrote:

HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!

Well, I think that I like or maybe it is just habituated to eating a
few larger meals and find them satisfying but maybe they could be
shrunk just a notch here or there. I know there have been days when I
have had only half a sweetpotato because I realized I did not want the
whole thing (I tend to get pretty good sized ones). But if I could
make that more routine - half a potato and maybe a slice less lamb or
a few less shrimp. I know I have tended to cut the points of bread by
going with different ones. so there are ways to still shrink the main
meals.

And I'm not even aiming to use this to lower weight anymore - just to
accommodate snacking since I think it is an inevitable NEED????

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:22:57 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

Fred this interesting to me, it goes back to my bedtime snack issue. When I
started I tried to cut out the bedtime eating with disasters results. I
found myself waking up in front of the frig with food in my hand, never had
that happen before. Now I determined that there is type of food, fruit
rather than cheese say, then there is portion, a cup of pasta rather than
say, three, then there is patterns, 3 meals and 2 snacks, one large meal
with smaller snacks, and me, snacks all the time with a few large meals
during the week. I figured out portions weren't a big deal, fruit is just,
well almost as desirable as cheese, and I also figured that the pattern
really couldn't be changed. I eat every hour or two I have just learned to
have 2 to 5 points at a time instead of 10 to 30. I think this is why
things are working for me. Lee
Fred wrote in message
.. .


On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:37:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Yup, saving money would be nice ... daughter is pushing for one of the
newer
models though. Hers is the lowest storage size and she would like to
increase it.
We're into negotiations right now. G

GGGGGGGG. Bring in the Teamsters

I feel for your scale woes, am sure mine aren't going to be nice this
week. I
don't know what's gotten into me but I feel like I've done nothing but
eat, eat,
eat. Yesterday was better under control, but not enough to make up for
the
week-end. Sigh

I am beginning to wonder if maybe I should try cutting down meals a
bit (half a sweet potato or less shrimp) and save the points for
junk??? (G) Shrink that pastrami sandwich a bit (have them cut in
1/3's rather than half. Ideas like that.


Joyce

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:22:05 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Well, if you can save some $$ on the ipod replacement = that would be
nice. I think that there was a review of a newer, smaller model the
other day.

The ski trip was not perfect (G) But it was nice being out and I did
not break or twist anything.

The scale this morning was NOT pleasant - Lesanne will almost
certainly win and I will lose (well, not weight)

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:47:56 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks for the info, I hadn't heard of the suits. I won't be joining,
I'm not a
suing type of personality. I do see where they have a program of sorts
in
operation though. $99 plus shipping and they replace your ipod with a
current
model (probably refurbished) with a working battery. It isn't the best
option,
but is an option. I do wish they would have made these batteries
easier to
replace on your own. I found directions, but they look very confusing.
It might
be the perfect job for my electrician brother though. G

Hope you had a wonderful ski trip! I DID make it back to the
treadmill, felt
sooooooo wonderful ... and again this morning. I think I'm trying
valiantly to do
damage control ... week-end has been totally out of control and
character for me.
Ah well, there's always next week. G

Joyce

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:25:05 -0800, Fred
wrote:

I've read about bad batteries on the ipods and a potential class
action suit.

Heading off skiing (just finished the oatmeal - down for the
sardines...)..............

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:38:13 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm hopeful, guess it all depends on him and how bad he wants it -
right?
Financing options have changed a bit ... meaning mom and dad will not
foot the
entire bill now until he proves to us that he does want the
education. Did the
same for his older sis, he doesn't get special treatment. Mom is
tough, but also
a firm believer that kids will think twice about wasting their own
hard earned
money. G His friends are also going to college locally - one in a
local 4 yr.
school, another at the jr. college. It isn't uncommon here either,
our jr.
college's enrollment has reached the 30,000 student status - which
seems very
large to me. Years ago it was ranked as one of the top jr. colleges
in the
nation. Not sure where it ranks now, but will make the assumption
that it still
is good. But again, you're going to get out of it what you put into
it. Time
will tell. He does seem a bit more enthused than I have seen him
before, is
enrolled now and can register officially for classes next Friday. He
has several
classes jotted down that he wants to take, says he can't believe how
many choices
are available here, as compared to where he was going. But yes, what
he is going
through is nothing new ... to anyone. I seem to remember having a
difficult time
myself - then decided college just wasn't the answer for me. Back
*then*,
companies were very willing to train on the job. It's a much
different world
today. G

As exciting as my life is, I think I could stand to add a few new
toys. Might
push the *who's on top* highlight down a few pegs. G I was
looking on amazon,
prices don't really look too bad. Think I will have to make a stop
into a local
store though and get some answers as to what exactly I will need and
what will
work with minimal changes/effect to my existing setup. It may have
to wait a bit
- just found out this evening that daughters IPod died a sudden
death. There's
another $400 I hadn't counted on. sigh

I've avoided the meringues today, but did feel the necessity to
finally have
another mudslide. G Back to back high point days ... probably not
a good plan,
but I'll live through it. Back on the treadmill tomorrow, no excuses
, no
procrastination. That and the normal 20 loads of laundry that are
still awaiting
me. I wish I could blame my lack of ambition on a cold or another
illness, but
alas - it's just me in a bad funk. This too shall pass, and soon I
hope.

I don't avoid pasta, but usually have it at home where I can control
things
better. I have become used to the wheat pasta, have learned to cook
it a bit
longer and then the texture seems better to me. But ... I caved last
nite.
Journalled it all, over 7 points for the day - not good but sure have
seen worse.
G Normally if I know I'm doing the pasta thing, I will cover for
it elsewhere -
this was just one of those days where it sprang up as a surprise.
Kind of like
dinner this evening. Last minute hub decided he wanted pizza.
sigh

Joyce

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:43:56 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Hope the local college works out for him. I will not admit to
having
to feel my way in my second semester way back when. But it worked
out. At least, I think it did (G) I went to college from home -
all
in NYC and environs. Many of us stayed local since it was reasonaby
priced (like FREE) and a good (back then) education.

Toys are what keep life exciting - no? Oh, maybe that was
financially
broke - well, one or the other. The wireless has dropped
substantially in price - really.

Miss Meringues are sitting here now. Dessert after my pickled
herring
sandwich. Waiting for a friend to call and up or down on a bike
ride.
We are trying to decide if we are willing to possibly get rained on!
(G) Should have gone skiing but with a cold I figured I would wait
another day. (aside, we just decided to go for it! )

I still have avoided pasta - pretty much since I started WW. I did
do
the buckwheat noodles about 3 months ago with a then Atkins friends.
She has since abandoned food to lose weight! (G)

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:17:16 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks again. Not sure if we are terrific, maybe more like jekyll
and hyde? g
We have that tendency to go ballistic when alone (or with each
other) then calm
down when the kids are around ... able to talk more reason into
each other. Once
the smoke has cleared, we seem to be able to better cope. Thank
heavens the kids
see very little of the smoke. G I remember never being allowed
to make my own
decisions, or if I did I was always told they were wrong - have
sworn that I would
not do that to my kids. It has taken me most of my life to
overcome the lack of
confidence in myself. So if they make mistakes, they make
mistakes. As long as
they learn from them, I figure it turns out ok. And dear ol' sonny
boy is such a
complex being - hard for me to figure him out. The boy just had a
rough year,
advisor from hell who set him back a few paces and he never took
the initiative to
fight her. Ah well, live and learn. What I find is very funny
(again, my warped
sense of humor) is that the local college was our first choice for
him - as he is
such a homebody and really didn't know what he wanted to do. So
again, his choice
to venture off, - and now it's his choice to return.

The treadmill is what is pushing me to look into the wireless ...
just another
gimick, another toy. And you know how I love my toys! Working
from the couch
would be *ok*, but definitely not a necessity - and not interested
enough to make
me run out and investigate how much the option would cost me. For
the purpose of
amusement though ......... hehehe.

Still no more mudslides here. I keep looking at the bottle, but
haven't really
had the desire to venture to it. I really am not much of a
drinker. And
yesterday I really overdid things. Waited much too long for dinner
(7:30pm) and
was absolutely starving. Did the carry-in thing, pasta - not the
best choice and
very large serving ... which I ate in entirety. Probably 20 points
worth for
dinner alone. Added a skinny cow sandwich later in the evening.
Went out for
lunch, but at least did keep that at fish and veggies. STILL - was
a much heavier
day than I've had in a long time. Why is it that there are just
*those days*
where you are hungry no matter what you eat or what you do (or what
you don't do)?

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:31:49 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Well, it sounds like mom and dad are terrific parents providing a
supportive home and allowing the kids to make their own decisions.
I
am sure it will work out. Sometimes college is overwhelming and
like
WW, you can get back in the game when the time is right. The
local
option may work best for now.

Working wirelessly from out in the yard (not for months yet if you
can
see the screen) or from the dining room or fireplace is neat but
we
can get too spoiled, too. But exploiting the treadmill's
interactive
or download features would push me (G) Another TOY!

No, no mudslides - just way too many meringues - I need to retake
the
environment issue. I've been bringing home too much tempting
JUNK.
And eating it. But I did well with the leg of lamb. Carved it
last
night into 2.5 - 3.0 oz servings and froze it after eating a bit
too
much wonderful "crust" the first night.

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:17:40 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Might not have worked out the way dad and I would
prefer - but it
really isn't our choice - the kid needs to be happy, it's his
life. He called me
while I was in the oral surgeons, as he was headed back to
college to talk to his
professor. Asked me if he should just withdraw as long as he was
there. Once
again I told him I would not make that decision, he had our
blessing no matter
what he decided ... as well as a home to come to. I guess I look
at things oddly
... would hate to have any of my children think there problems
are so huge that
there is no possible way out other than a *forever* choice ...
and seems to be
quite a few that do end up thinking that. Soooo - he is home
now, registering for
classes at the local college tomorrow - while he sorts things
out. When he came
back home, I couldn't believe how much more relaxed he looked
already - finally
looked like he at least had some life in him. He's 19, still has
a lot of growin'
up left in him. G

Thanks for the network info. I also checked with a friend of my
sons, he pretty
much confirmed what you said. If I recall correctly, he said
something about
purchasing a router that had maybe one wireless port but also had
several wired
ports (or hubs or whatever???) .. then run the laptops off the
wireless. It's a
thought, and I would enjoy being able to work on a computer from
the dining room,
or family room ... without stringing temp cords all over the
house. One more
thing for me to think about. You know how I feel about
thinking! sigh

Did you find the mudslides? I haven't indulged in any more
lately ... just might
have to move in that direction tomorrow though. It's sounding
pretty danged good!

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:22:53 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Don't slip on too much mudslide. Glad to hear things are
sorting out.

I am not a network expert if there are such people these days
but I
think you could link a desktop with a wired network to a laptop
with
wireless and work with the type systems. But as you say, it
probably
is not that important. I do enjoy the wireless laptop
downstairs
beside the fireplace.

Take care and I will have to find mudslide - hmmm, maybe on the
lunch
time walk in the predicted sunshine I can get to the state
liquor
store (G)

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:30:17 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy,
which is what is
important. As I told my older brother this week-end ... just
another one of those
freakin' growth experiences. G Then I told hub I lived
through it with my older
brother, lived through it myself, we lived through it with our
oldest girl ...
will live through this current bout and then just think ...
only one more to make
it through! G It's just the emotions that are totally shot
right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think
I've talked to a
single person who has had good experiences with them. And if I
did put one in,
would I then have to disconnect my normal network ... or would
I be able to pick
and choose when I wanted to use the wireless? I am just not
thinking clearly
right now, probably not the best time to venture into this
project. G

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and
don't foresee being
able to for the next few days ... definitely not tomorrow
anyway ... well ...
maybe by dinnertime? sigh Littlest daughter is having 2
teeth pulled in the
morning, in order to have braces put on. She is my worrier,
timid little sould
that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a
general anesthetic -
which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make
this call (I just
get to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch
her sister for a bit
while I go to traffic court with hub. Hopefully have some
answers from sonny boy
in there somewhere. Gonna be another one of those long days,
but hey! I got me a
whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ... makes for an easy
dinner. G

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:32:41 -0800, Fred
wrote:

First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the
internet
in the darn basement - that's no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from
biking on
saturday and skiing on sunday (g)

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce
wrote:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet
access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying
to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline
down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a
slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting
them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no
treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now
has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on
Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the
newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill
while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of
approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time.
15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the
slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce
wrote:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the
burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd
player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that
can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ...
making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still
overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and
see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now
know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need
to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to
throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan
on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be
hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming
and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables
through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and
get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery
settings. And through the
website it will also automatically
control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even
realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean"
wrote:

I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you
"know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for
the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod552 ...
I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you
throughout the
week.
Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your
muscles are more
than
likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on
them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on
occassion when I try to
push
too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let
go of the water,
took me
a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the
bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at
a pace of 2MPH.
This is a
great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing
in the beginning.
Then I
read that you added the incline into the routine
already. Myself, I would
work on
the distance and speed first ... start gradually
increasing the incline
when you
can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think
I read somewhere
recently
that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and
3.5 MPH - not too
sure of
that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it
myself - but I
also didn't
add it until I was consistently up in speed and
duration, as I felt it was
tougher
on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to
fluids???), thus
causing
me to tire out faster. I've been working on the
treadmill for many months
now,
walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and
I tell ya, I start
feeling
it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start
declining the incline
and
immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could
work a few days at
your 2MPH
level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed
by .1 or .2 MPH
(I'm making
the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan
and all) - go for
another
few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length
of time the same,
you
will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You
will still get
the same
benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring
yourself in the early
stages -
which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough
stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"

wrote:

HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!