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Old November 3rd, 2004, 04:28 PM
RedRipeApple
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Default liquid diets?? Medifast, Optifast, HMR, etc...

I have another question. What is it about liquid diets that make them work? Is
it the fact that they are all liquid? What is the magic here? I guess what I
really want to know is: for those who have been on medifast, hmr, optifast, etc
- do you think someone could do the same thing with all protein shakes like EAS
or ISOPURE or a combo of protein shakes as opposed to doing a structured plan
like medifast, optifast, etc? Why or why not? Thanks
Apple
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Old November 3rd, 2004, 05:25 PM
RedRipeApple
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Hi, I appreciate your post but that isn't what I asked - I am not asking if I
should go on a liquid diet, only if regular protein shakes would work the same
as a structured liquid fast... :-)
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Old November 3rd, 2004, 06:47 PM
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"RedRipeApple" wrote in message
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Hi, I appreciate your post but that isn't what I asked - I am not asking
if I
should go on a liquid diet, only if regular protein shakes would work the
same
as a structured liquid fast... :-)


Yes -- BADLY.


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Old November 4th, 2004, 05:08 AM
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"RedRipeApple" wrote in message
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Hi, I appreciate your post but that isn't what I asked - I am not asking
if I
should go on a liquid diet, only if regular protein shakes would work the
same
as a structured liquid fast... :-)


Hell no. These liquid diets have been designed to provide a good mix of
nutrients. Trying to live off of protein shakes for an extended period of
time would probably land you in the hospital, or worse.



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Old November 3rd, 2004, 05:28 PM
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p.s. don't only 5-10 percent of us keep the weight off from ANY diet anyhow?
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Old November 3rd, 2004, 05:40 PM
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RedRipeApple wrote:

p.s. don't only 5-10 percent of us keep the weight off from ANY diet anyhow?


Funny you should ask that. No. That stat is wrong for lots of reasons.

Look at it this way: if you try 10 diets and fail at nine of them before
you finally work out all the kinks and change forever, then you've had a
90% failure rate at dieting. It only takes one success.

People debate whether liquid diets have any value in kick-starting a
weight loss regimen. I really don't think they do.

The people who used them have all the exact same struggles as the people
who don't use them, they just pay more money and have some harder
psychological issues associated with having to DEFEND a weight loss in
public rather than ACHIEVE a weight loss in anonymity. (Look at it this
way: if you eat at maintenance for a 250 pound person for a week then
you won't lose any weight that week if you weigh 250 pounds. But if you
weigh 200 pounds then you'd GAIN that week. It's the same week, the
same struggles to relearn how to eat... except now you have to struggle
in front of people who NOTICE that you've gained.)

Also, rapid weight loss has some deleterious affects. Take my word for it.

You've got to learn how to feed your body and exercise for the rest of
your life if you want to lose weight and keep it off. If you're not
willing to do that then don't bother messing around with a liquid diet.

Dally

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Old November 3rd, 2004, 05:44 PM
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RedRipeApple wrote:

I have another question. What is it about liquid diets that make them work?


Low calories.

Is it the fact that they are all liquid?


No.

What is the magic here?


Enforced portion control. Removing the choice on how to feed yourself
from you. Reduced calories.


I guess what I
really want to know is: for those who have been on medifast, hmr, optifast, etc
- do you think someone could do the same thing with all protein shakes like EAS
or ISOPURE or a combo of protein shakes as opposed to doing a structured plan
like medifast, optifast, etc? Why or why not?


What you're buying with Meifast/Optifast is a nutrtionist designing the
nutrient make-up as well as medical supervision in case the nutritionist
is wrong. If you are so incapable of making good food choices that you
got fat, why do you suddenly think you're knowledgable enough as a
nutritionist now to design an unbalanced diet for yourself? Especially
WITHOUT doctor supervision.

No, the worst thing about liquid diets is that you're putting off
learning how to eat for the rest of your life. There's no advantage in
doing that, and especially no advantage in doing it dangerously.

With that said, I often enjoy a Myoplex Lite protein shake as part of my
planned meals/snacks. But it doesn't have enough fiber or
phytonutrients in it to be a mainstay.

Dally
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Old November 3rd, 2004, 06:06 PM
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RedRipeApple wrote:
I have another question. What is it about liquid diets that make them

work? Is
it the fact that they are all liquid? What is the magic here?


There is no magic, it's calories in/calories out. Liquid diets are
VLCD (very low calorie diets) that are between 500-800 cal/day.

I guess what I
really want to know is: for those who have been on medifast, hmr,

optifast, etc
- do you think someone could do the same thing with all protein

shakes like EAS
or ISOPURE or a combo of protein shakes as opposed to doing a

structured plan
like medifast, optifast, etc? Why or why not? Thanks
Apple


Let me start by saying I did HMR so I am speaking from actual
experience.
- NO you can't do the same thing with all protein shakes if you plan on
having nutritional balance or VLCD. You need to be under a doctor's
supervision to go that low. There are a ton of things that can go
wrong. I was completely monitored with weekly checkups and monthly
bloodwork and I *still* had medical problems. There were things that
existed prior to the diet that I wasn't aware of and then there was
effects of the diet.
- You don't do a VLCD unless your BMI is 40+ or it is 30+ with some
compelling medical issue that requires you to lose weight quickly. I
was 40+ BMI to start and had been unsuccessful doing things the "old
fashioned" way for 25 years. For me, it was this or surgery.
- Liquid diets are not a quick fix. They require a lot of discipline
and dedication to the program and to *maintenance*. Going to the
classes helps you learn about how to eat right but until you are in the
maintenance phase, you don't actually *practice* it.
I've been successful at keeping the majority of my weight off so far,
but it was rather difficult. Fine, I had medical problems that added
to the difficulty, but once it was dealt with it still took a lot of
work on my part, and still does. There are people who were in my
program that gained everything back right away, people like me who have
kept the bulk of it off, and even people who have not gained anything
back, just like any old diet.

I'm always willing to discuss this freely in email. I don't post a lot
of specifics publicly because of privacy issues and a person who abuses
personal information by twisting facts and trying to use them as a
weapon.

Jenn

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Old November 3rd, 2004, 06:45 PM
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"RedRipeApple" wrote in message
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I have another question. What is it about liquid diets that make them work?
Is
it the fact that they are all liquid? What is the magic here? I guess what
I
really want to know is: for those who have been on medifast, hmr,
optifast, etc
- do you think someone could do the same thing with all protein shakes
like EAS
or ISOPURE or a combo of protein shakes as opposed to doing a structured
plan
like medifast, optifast, etc? Why or why not? Thanks
Apple


They don't work. Not permanently. To be healthy and keep the weight off
permanently, you have to exercise and eat healthy.


 




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