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Type II diabetes, low carb (Atkins) and insulin levels..
Dolkian wrote:
I would never try a low carb diet if I were Diabetic. Diabetics need a well rounded diet that includes fruits and vegetables. Check out the ADA site (American Diabetic Assoc.) They have wonderful programs. Dokan Likely a good thing you are not a diabetic... BJ DM Type II - 15years |
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Type II diabetes, low carb (Atkins) and insulin levels..
That is YOUR opinion. An opinion not shared by the ADA!
Roger Zoul wrote: Dolkian wrote: :: I would never try a low carb diet if I were Diabetic. Diabetics :: need a well rounded diet that includes fruits and vegetables. :: Check out the ADA site (American Diabetic Assoc.) They have :: wonderful programs. :: Dokan Why don't you speak about things you know something about? I've been a type 2 for 24 years and via low carb and exericse, I have fasting BG around 80, A1Cs around 5.1, and have lost 130 lbs. The ADA recommendations for diabetics are a kiss of death, imo. :: :: Alice Faber wrote: :: ::: In article , ::: Matt wrote: ::: ::: :::: Hi All, :::: :::: I am a type II diabetic on Atkins. I have lost probably 40-50 :::: pounds in the year I have been on the diet. I also feel great. :::: :::: However for the last 4 or 5 months, I have been stalling. I am :::: eating less than 30 carbs a day and exercising as I have since day :::: one. It seems I lost most of my weight easily in the first few :::: months. I have another 110-130 to go. My HbA1c has always been in :::: the mid 5's and my doctor is very pleased with my glucose control :::: with diet and (later) exercise alone. :::: :::: When I saw my doctor today and asked her about stalling, she told :::: me she would test my insulin levels. Because has seen low carb :::: dieters run into long stalls and slow loss because of higher :::: insulin levels EVEN if they have good HbA1c AND good fasting :::: glucose (mines in the upper 80's usually). I have always struggled :::: to loose weight. :::: :::: Questions: :::: :::: Does the above sound reasonable (good blood sugar control, but high :::: insulin levels)? And could this be my problem? :::: :::: Also, I tried Glucophage when I was initially diagnosed with :::: Diabetes. I could *NOT* tolerate this medication. I tried it four :::: 3-4 weeks and it punished my digestive system. However it was an :::: excellent motivator to eat right and exercise. :::: :::: So, my doctor told me that if my insulin levels were high I could :::: go on Avandia to help lower insulin levels. She initially :::: recommended Glucophage and also mentioned Glucophage XR, but I am :::: nervous about considering either because of my very bad Glucophage :::: experience. So she suggested Avaindia. Yet, I read on Atkins sight :::: that Avandia can cause stall's! :::: :::: So, one more question: If my insulin level is high (and that could :::: cause the above stall/loss problems), should I try the Avandia? :::: :::: Thanks for reading and any advice you can give! I need it. ::: ::: ::: Google here and the diabetes newsgroups for posts by ::: Jenny-the-bean. She had exactly this problem, as I recall. |
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Type II diabetes, low carb (Atkins) and insulin levels..
Then why not state that is YOUR experience and not one shared by
most diabetics and not one most doctors approve of. Alice Faber wrote: In article , Dolkian wrote: I would never try a low carb diet if I were Diabetic. Diabetics need a well rounded diet that includes fruits and vegetables. Check out the ADA site (American Diabetic Assoc.) They have wonderful programs. Dokan Funny...I and a lot of other T2 diabetics are doing a wonderful job controlling our diabetes via low carb eating. I see no reason to eat more carbs than I can metabolize. (My doctor's happy with all my bloodwork, including lipid profile.) |
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Type II diabetes, low carb (Atkins) and insulin levels..
Thank you I will continue with the official ADA diet for diabetics.
It works well for us and my personal HbAlC is 4.9. One need fruit for a well rounded diet and to provide much needed vitamins and minerals. Jennifer wrote: Well... then it's a good thing you're not a diabetic. First: A low carb diet does include vegetables. It's odd that you post here and don't know that. Second: No one needs fruits to survive. Third: A low carb diet is "well rounded" And last: Many many many diabetics control their blood glucose levels ONLY with a low carb diet. I have. For five years. ALL my quarterly tests are in the non-diabetic range. By eating low carb. Jennifer Dolkian wrote: I would never try a low carb diet if I were Diabetic. Diabetics need a well rounded diet that includes fruits and vegetables. Check out the ADA site (American Diabetic Assoc.) They have wonderful programs. Dokan |
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Type II diabetes, low carb (Atkins) and insulin levels..
Dolkian wrote:
That is YOUR opinion. An opinion not shared by the ADA! But by many experienced Type II Diabetics. BJ |
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Type II diabetes, low carb (Atkins) and insulin levels..
We prefer following our doctors and dieticians advice as how to
care for any disease. Jackie Patti wrote: Dolkian wrote: I would never try a low carb diet if I were Diabetic. Diabetics need a well rounded diet that includes fruits and vegetables. Check out the ADA site (American Diabetic Assoc.) They have wonderful programs. Dokan The ADA has finally admitted that starch is the same as sugar; thus they have advised diabetics that it's OK to eat sugar. Diabetes is a disease involving errors in metabolizing carbohydrates. Suggesting that a diabetic eat lots of carbs is akin to suggesting that an alcoholic drink lots of beer. My low-carb diet contains more produce than any high-carb diet I was ever on. The bit about needing produce is a red herring. Diabetics should not believe the ADA or *anyone* else, not even me. They should believe their meters. Even a small serving of pasta raises my bg to over 350. This is not healthy no matter what the ADA or anyone else says. Maintaining normal blood glucose is the primary factor effecting whether one has diabetic complications. Avoiding amputation, heart disease, dialysis, impotence, and early death is in the hands of the diabetic, not in the hands of the ADA or anyone else. |
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Type II diabetes, low carb (Atkins) and insulin levels..
The ADA is a wonderful group and works with scientific facts nor pie
in the sky (as it were) ideas. Sugar can be consumed in any diet even that of a diabetic. Bob in CT wrote: On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:45:30 -0500, Jim Bard wrote: "Alice Faber" wrote in message ... In article , Dolkian wrote: I would never try a low carb diet if I were Diabetic. Diabetics need a well rounded diet that includes fruits and vegetables. Check out the ADA site (American Diabetic Assoc.) They have wonderful programs. Dokan Me too. I'm not diabetic, but if I were, I'd hate to disappoint the pharmaceutical companies who have worked so hard to find drugs to control ailments that often can be controlled by diet. The ADA is horrible. They're the ones who say you can eat sugar while being a diabetic. Shame on them! Moreover, why doesn't a low carb diet include fruits and vegetables? Mine does. |
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Type II diabetes, low carb (Atkins) and insulin levels..
Another supposition made without scientific facts.
BJ in Texas wrote: Dolkian wrote: I would never try a low carb diet if I were Diabetic. Diabetics need a well rounded diet that includes fruits and vegetables. Check out the ADA site (American Diabetic Assoc.) They have wonderful programs. Dokan Likely a good thing you are not a diabetic... BJ DM Type II - 15years |
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Type II diabetes, low carb (Atkins) and insulin levels..
Dolkian wrote:
Then why not state that is YOUR experience and not one shared by most diabetics and not one most doctors approve of. And many other Type II diabetics... My doctor approves of my methods because they work, not because they agree or disagree with the ADA's recommendations. He is also aware that he has a number of Type II's following the ADA's recommendations that are not as successful as I am. Why is it that someone that is not at all experienced with living with Type II diabetes thinks they can tell us how it should be controlled? BJ |
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Type II diabetes, low carb (Atkins) and insulin levels..
Dolkian quoth:
Then why not state that is YOUR experience and not one shared by most diabetics and not one most doctors approve of. My endocrinologist says that in 10 years low-carbing will be the standard recommended treatment for type 2 diabetes. The ADA is not oriented to providing the best dietary information for type 2 diabetics. It is oriented to provide the information it thinks will be most acceptable to diabetics. They also don't differentiate between type 1 and type 2. I think that they are endangering the life and health of type 2 diabetics by promoting incomplete and ineffective treatment information. Alice Faber wrote: In article , Dolkian wrote: I would never try a low carb diet if I were Diabetic. That's too bad. You probably have trouble with control then or be on lots of meds. Diabetics need a well rounded diet that includes fruits and vegetables. Which a low-carb diet can provide. Check out the ADA site (American Diabetic Assoc.) They have wonderful programs. Dokan Funny...I and a lot of other T2 diabetics are doing a wonderful job controlling our diabetes via low carb eating. I see no reason to eat more carbs than I can metabolize. (My doctor's happy with all my bloodwork, including lipid profile.) Priscilla, type 2 DM, good control with diet, exercise, and metformin -- "Come to Planet Earth! Watch people with brains not use them! Several shows daily! Free admittance!" Keera Ann Fox in alt.support.menopause |
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