A question about calories - metabolism and "starvation mode" andWeight Watchers

Me too.. *grin*

--
Will~

"... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause."

Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth.


"Lesanne" wrote in message
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I was eating those muffins

--
Lesanne
"Doug Lerner" wrote in message
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On 12/1/05 1:21 AM, in article
,
"Lesanne" wrote:

Also one other minor point. If you are eating the same foods more or
less
day after day and taking the packaged calorie count, this can also be a
problem. They are sometimes not accurate. If something that you eat
daily
has an error on the label it could be a big deal. The most obvious of
these
sorts of things is a local muffin we have here, labeled at 240
calories.
Someone in my group doubted it and sent it for analysis with some
Houston
relative who had access to equipment. It was actually a 385 calorie
bomb.

Now this is an excellent point. I too have been worried about maybe
relying
on a mislabeled product because I don't vary what I eat enough.

doug

A lot of them..

--
Will~

"... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause."

Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth.


"Ignoramus607" wrote in message
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On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:49:18 GMT, Willow
wrote:
Hey we agree on something !! ;op


Yep... The "starvation mode" statements are based on wishful thinking.

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223/174.5/180

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:23:31 +0900, Doug Lerner
wrote:

On 12/2/05 8:53 AM, in article ,
"Ignoramus607" wrote:

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is it such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

Ah. Something on which we agree. Excellent!

But along with bottom posting comes a responsibility to snip out unnecessary
parts of the thread to avoid excessively long posts that force people to
scroll down just to see "me too" after 500 lines.

Absolutely. And top posting doesn't solve this problem, because those
new to the conversation read the top first and then (maybe) read what
the poster left in on the bottom, not all of which is relevant to what
the poster wrote.

So you are exactly right -- best communication in this medium involves
a responsibility to edit.

BUT: this question can become as contentious as any of the
eternal-floating-flamewars on Usenet. And on support groups, I
generally lay off a lot on arguing for editing and bottom-posting. A
niggle now and then is enough to help those who want to to learn, and
protracted arguments are never going to convince those who are not
going to be convinced.

--
Kristen
343/249/142
Keep reaching for life instead of reaching for death.

To each their own, many many of my members tell me that the WW snacks are
one of the thing that keeps them on track..

Better a 2 pts bar than a snicker one.. I'd rather see them eat an apple,
but I didn't make the world..

For myself I don't eat the chocolate ones, but if it'll help a member, than
fine.

--
Will~

"... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause."

Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth.


"Lesanne" wrote in message
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Weight watchers, followed the way it is designed including the tools for
living, is really the only program that addresses all those things people
need for long term success.

Empowerment
Tools for changing behavior
Support

and to a lesser degree, sensible dietary advice (not counting their own
junk
food sales pitches, just the guidelines).

--
Lesanne
"Willow" wrote in message
m...
I won't give you numbers because one I don't have them.. and two I'm not
a
number person.. ) Guess I'm more the intuitive type as opposed to the
calculating type..

Which is probably why I like points..

Besides, I'm in California.. from what I've heard we're supposed to be
the
"lets be happy with the flowers and angels all over the place" kinda
persons
right?? ;op~~~~

You've got to be a engineer or a IT guy.. ;op

Seriously though, I tend to preach and I'm sorry. I love the WW
program..it
changed my life so completely.. I just want everybody to be successful
too
and get to know what "being alive" really means.. ) Does that make
sense?

To me it's the way to loose weight, maintain, and get back on track when
you
stray without having to put your life on the break while you get back to
shape. I know what works for me might not work for somebody else.. I
know
some people don't want or need the meetings.. to me they are
essentials...
I
tend to forget that I'm a member here.. not the group's leader.. I don't
have to have all the answers.. or to guide everybody..

I try to remind myself of that when I'm here.. but sometimes I forget..
guess is a good lesson to learn.. makes me a better leader in the end
;o)

By the way love the email addy ! doug@persevering!

Hehehe Be good!

--
Will~

"... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause."

Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth.


"Doug Lerner" wrote in message
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On 11/30/05 1:47 PM, in article
, "Willow"

2- The points are not based only on calories.. but also on the amount
the
fat grams and fiber grams the food contains.. so there's not a set
number of
calories to it..

Technically that is true, but for all practical purposes it is
basically
50
calories per point. I've seen the equation (it's a copyrighted
equation,
so
it's listed with the government in a publicly accessible area!). No
matter
how little fat a serving of food has, or how much fiber, the points
never
vary much from basically 50 calories per point.


The number of points you are allowed depends on how much you weight..
so
again there isn't a set number of calories. 227lbs means 28 pts as a
daily
target(minimum in a day) plus 35 pts a week.. 231 pts per week plus
your
activity pts which you earn by being physically active..

That averages to 33 points per day, or about 1650 calories per day.
That
is
very close to the 1700 calories per day I have been aiming for.



I don't think you're undereating so much as overthinking..

hahaha.

I can't help you
with the calories counting.. because I don't do it, and I think it's
a
very
bad system.. it doesn't take account of the quality of the foods
you're
eating.. only the calories..

Maybe. But I really don't think it is all that different from WW
points.
I
think they are statistically indistinguishable. I would rethink using
calories and use WW points instead if there were some numbers showing I
am
wrong though.


I can tell you that the Weight Watchers system works as is.. and that
to
me,
it's the easiest and healthiest way to go. plateaus happens, slow
downs
happens, gain happens.. it's all part of loosing weight.. there's no
perfect
solution.. but there's only two things that will bring you to long
lasting
success, patience and perseverance..

Thanks.

doug@persevering!

"Willow" wrote in message
. net...
To each their own, many many of my members tell me that the WW snacks are
one of the thing that keeps them on track..

Better a 2 pts bar than a snicker one.. I'd rather see them eat an apple,
but I didn't make the world..

I tried the mixed berry bars last week because I had a coupon for a free
box. Didn't care for them. The only WW snacks I get are the whole grain
cheddar twists. They sub for my former doritos fix on my drive to the gym
(with a piece of fruit).

--
the volleyballchick

I don't mind what other people eat, but boy do I guard the food that goes
into ME. I don't get to eat enough to put anything like that in there. If I
want chocolate I save points for something really evil.
But, like you, I know people who use that stuff. Even a couple at goal.

--
Lesanne
"Willow" wrote in message
. net...
To each their own, many many of my members tell me that the WW snacks are
one of the thing that keeps them on track..

Better a 2 pts bar than a snicker one.. I'd rather see them eat an apple,
but I didn't make the world..

For myself I don't eat the chocolate ones, but if it'll help a member,
than
fine.

I use the 1pts chewy oatmeal bars (with raisins).. Cause they yummy.. and
practical.. now that bars don't have the bad evil fats anymore.. great
improvement I think... I also use the fruities sometimes when I'm driving
around a lot.. I have days where I drive for hours.. in the Bay area ! AARG
talk about stress..

I'm with you about the chocolate.. if I give in.. it's gonna be the real
yummy stuff.. and it'll take me sooooooooooo long to eat it that it'll be
all over my fingers... *grin* I've been making an effort to eat more fruits
and I have to say it helps not only to curb the apetite, but to boost the
energy.. so there..

--
Will~

"... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause."

Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth.


"Lesanne" wrote in message
news
I don't mind what other people eat, but boy do I guard the food that goes
into ME. I don't get to eat enough to put anything like that in there. If
I
want chocolate I save points for something really evil.
But, like you, I know people who use that stuff. Even a couple at goal.

--
Lesanne
"Willow" wrote in message
. net...
To each their own, many many of my members tell me that the WW snacks
are
one of the thing that keeps them on track..

Better a 2 pts bar than a snicker one.. I'd rather see them eat an
apple,
but I didn't make the world..

For myself I don't eat the chocolate ones, but if it'll help a member,
than
fine.

Better a 2 pts bar than a snicker one.. I'd rather see them eat an apple,
but I didn't make the world..

I've only been doing this for 5 weeks, and have not weined myself off of the
indulgences yet.
I make wonderful food choices during the day...but I'm a late night snacker.
he WW fudge bars
(one point) are PERFECT for me. One lasts long enough to feel like a bite
instead of a snack.
it takes care of my cholocate and ice cream fix.
I save a point every night for it!

;-)

jojo

You know, I had cheetos puffs every night for months.. one serving, 4 pts..

Whatever works !

--
Will~

"... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause."

Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth.


"jojo" wrote in message
. net...

Better a 2 pts bar than a snicker one.. I'd rather see them eat an
apple,
but I didn't make the world..

I've only been doing this for 5 weeks, and have not weined myself off of
the
indulgences yet.
I make wonderful food choices during the day...but I'm a late night
snacker.
he WW fudge bars
(one point) are PERFECT for me. One lasts long enough to feel like a bite
instead of a snack.
it takes care of my cholocate and ice cream fix.
I save a point every night for it!

;-)

jojo

On 12/3/05 1:35 AM, in article
, "Willow"
wrote:

Better a 2 pts bar than a snicker one.. I'd rather see them eat an apple,
but I didn't make the world..

My neighbor came by the other day with some fresh apples her sister mailed
her from Aomori. Delicious!

doug