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A question about calories - metabolism and "starvation mode" andWeight Watchers
With all this talk about avoiding metabolism slowdowns by eating too little,
etc., I wonder... I am 174 cm (5'8") and weigh 103.8 kg this morning (227.5 lb). I'm 49 years old. I've lost about 47 lb over the last 25 weeks on a low-calorie diet. Some people here are saying I should be sure not to eat too few calories or my metabolism will slow down making it even harder to lose weight. A few people are saying I should eat fewer calories. What I wonder is... what does Weight Watchers recommend? I was under the impression that WW recommended points for an adult male of my height, weight and age only came to about 1500 calories per day. Is that not the case? Thanks, doug |
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A question about calories - metabolism and "starvation mode" and Weight Watchers
1- People make way too much out of starvation mode.. for that to happen you
have to really starve.. it DOES happen.. happened to me, but that was beyond what is called starving. Out of stupidity I returned to my anorexic ways instead of just following the program. Some people do that, but not many. Generally when people don't loose or gain it's because they eat too much, not too little. What DOES happen is, they eat too little.. get really hungry and then go overboard.. 2- The points are not based only on calories.. but also on the amount the fat grams and fiber grams the food contains.. so there's not a set number of calories to it.. The number of points you are allowed depends on how much you weight.. so again there isn't a set number of calories. 227lbs means 28 pts as a daily target(minimum in a day) plus 35 pts a week.. 231 pts per week plus your activity pts which you earn by being physically active.. I don't think you're undereating so much as overthinking.. I can't help you with the calories counting.. because I don't do it, and I think it's a very bad system.. it doesn't take account of the quality of the foods you're eating.. only the calories.. I can tell you that the Weight Watchers system works as is.. and that to me, it's the easiest and healthiest way to go. plateaus happens, slow downs happens, gain happens.. it's all part of loosing weight.. there's no perfect solution.. but there's only two things that will bring you to long lasting success, patience and perseverance.. -- Will~ "... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause." Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. "Doug Lerner" wrote in message ... With all this talk about avoiding metabolism slowdowns by eating too little, etc., I wonder... I am 174 cm (5'8") and weigh 103.8 kg this morning (227.5 lb). I'm 49 years old. I've lost about 47 lb over the last 25 weeks on a low-calorie diet. Some people here are saying I should be sure not to eat too few calories or my metabolism will slow down making it even harder to lose weight. A few people are saying I should eat fewer calories. What I wonder is... what does Weight Watchers recommend? I was under the impression that WW recommended points for an adult male of my height, weight and age only came to about 1500 calories per day. Is that not the case? Thanks, doug |
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A question about calories - metabolism and "starvation mode"and Weight Watchers
On 11/30/05 1:47 PM, in article , "Willow" 2- The points are not based only on calories.. but also on the amount the fat grams and fiber grams the food contains.. so there's not a set number of calories to it.. Technically that is true, but for all practical purposes it is basically 50 calories per point. I've seen the equation (it's a copyrighted equation, so it's listed with the government in a publicly accessible area!). No matter how little fat a serving of food has, or how much fiber, the points never vary much from basically 50 calories per point. The number of points you are allowed depends on how much you weight.. so again there isn't a set number of calories. 227lbs means 28 pts as a daily target(minimum in a day) plus 35 pts a week.. 231 pts per week plus your activity pts which you earn by being physically active.. That averages to 33 points per day, or about 1650 calories per day. That is very close to the 1700 calories per day I have been aiming for. I don't think you're undereating so much as overthinking.. hahaha. I can't help you with the calories counting.. because I don't do it, and I think it's a very bad system.. it doesn't take account of the quality of the foods you're eating.. only the calories.. Maybe. But I really don't think it is all that different from WW points. I think they are statistically indistinguishable. I would rethink using calories and use WW points instead if there were some numbers showing I am wrong though. I can tell you that the Weight Watchers system works as is.. and that to me, it's the easiest and healthiest way to go. plateaus happens, slow downs happens, gain happens.. it's all part of loosing weight.. there's no perfect solution.. but there's only two things that will bring you to long lasting success, patience and perseverance.. Thanks. doug@persevering! |
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A question about calories - metabolism and "starvation mode" and Weight Watchers
I won't give you numbers because one I don't have them.. and two I'm not a
number person.. ) Guess I'm more the intuitive type as opposed to the calculating type.. Which is probably why I like points.. Besides, I'm in California.. from what I've heard we're supposed to be the "lets be happy with the flowers and angels all over the place" kinda persons right?? ;op~~~~ You've got to be a engineer or a IT guy.. ;op Seriously though, I tend to preach and I'm sorry. I love the WW program..it changed my life so completely.. I just want everybody to be successful too and get to know what "being alive" really means.. ) Does that make sense? To me it's the way to loose weight, maintain, and get back on track when you stray without having to put your life on the break while you get back to shape. I know what works for me might not work for somebody else.. I know some people don't want or need the meetings.. to me they are essentials... I tend to forget that I'm a member here.. not the group's leader.. I don't have to have all the answers.. or to guide everybody.. I try to remind myself of that when I'm here.. but sometimes I forget.. guess is a good lesson to learn.. makes me a better leader in the end ;o) By the way love the email addy ! doug@persevering! Hehehe Be good! -- Will~ "... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause." Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. "Doug Lerner" wrote in message ... On 11/30/05 1:47 PM, in article , "Willow" 2- The points are not based only on calories.. but also on the amount the fat grams and fiber grams the food contains.. so there's not a set number of calories to it.. Technically that is true, but for all practical purposes it is basically 50 calories per point. I've seen the equation (it's a copyrighted equation, so it's listed with the government in a publicly accessible area!). No matter how little fat a serving of food has, or how much fiber, the points never vary much from basically 50 calories per point. The number of points you are allowed depends on how much you weight.. so again there isn't a set number of calories. 227lbs means 28 pts as a daily target(minimum in a day) plus 35 pts a week.. 231 pts per week plus your activity pts which you earn by being physically active.. That averages to 33 points per day, or about 1650 calories per day. That is very close to the 1700 calories per day I have been aiming for. I don't think you're undereating so much as overthinking.. hahaha. I can't help you with the calories counting.. because I don't do it, and I think it's a very bad system.. it doesn't take account of the quality of the foods you're eating.. only the calories.. Maybe. But I really don't think it is all that different from WW points. I think they are statistically indistinguishable. I would rethink using calories and use WW points instead if there were some numbers showing I am wrong though. I can tell you that the Weight Watchers system works as is.. and that to me, it's the easiest and healthiest way to go. plateaus happens, slow downs happens, gain happens.. it's all part of loosing weight.. there's no perfect solution.. but there's only two things that will bring you to long lasting success, patience and perseverance.. Thanks. doug@persevering! |
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A question about calories - metabolism and "starvation mode"and Weight Watchers
I also think WW is a great program. It's certainly the most common-sense
approach. They don't have meetings here in Japan, though. I think I fashioned my diet in a way that ended up following the ideas of WW very closely. I just use straight calories instead of points. But I think, mathematically, they really are statistically equivalent. And I do enjoy your notes! doug On 11/30/05 3:08 PM, in article , "Willow" wrote: I won't give you numbers because one I don't have them.. and two I'm not a number person.. ) Guess I'm more the intuitive type as opposed to the calculating type.. Which is probably why I like points.. Besides, I'm in California.. from what I've heard we're supposed to be the "lets be happy with the flowers and angels all over the place" kinda persons right?? ;op~~~~ You've got to be a engineer or a IT guy.. ;op Seriously though, I tend to preach and I'm sorry. I love the WW program..it changed my life so completely.. I just want everybody to be successful too and get to know what "being alive" really means.. ) Does that make sense? To me it's the way to loose weight, maintain, and get back on track when you stray without having to put your life on the break while you get back to shape. I know what works for me might not work for somebody else.. I know some people don't want or need the meetings.. to me they are essentials... I tend to forget that I'm a member here.. not the group's leader.. I don't have to have all the answers.. or to guide everybody.. I try to remind myself of that when I'm here.. but sometimes I forget.. guess is a good lesson to learn.. makes me a better leader in the end ;o) By the way love the email addy ! doug@persevering! Hehehe Be good! |
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A question about calories - metabolism and "starvation mode" and Weight Watchers
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:21:03 +0900, Doug Lerner
wrote: [...] I think I fashioned my diet in a way that ended up following the ideas of WW very closely. I just use straight calories instead of points. But I think, mathematically, they really are statistically equivalent. By the numbers they might be. By the nutrition value, they definitely are not. -- Kristen 343/249/142 |
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A question about calories - metabolism and "starvation mode" and Weight Watchers
Weight watchers, followed the way it is designed including the tools for
living, is really the only program that addresses all those things people need for long term success. Empowerment Tools for changing behavior Support and to a lesser degree, sensible dietary advice (not counting their own junk food sales pitches, just the guidelines). -- Lesanne "Willow" wrote in message m... I won't give you numbers because one I don't have them.. and two I'm not a number person.. ) Guess I'm more the intuitive type as opposed to the calculating type.. Which is probably why I like points.. Besides, I'm in California.. from what I've heard we're supposed to be the "lets be happy with the flowers and angels all over the place" kinda persons right?? ;op~~~~ You've got to be a engineer or a IT guy.. ;op Seriously though, I tend to preach and I'm sorry. I love the WW program..it changed my life so completely.. I just want everybody to be successful too and get to know what "being alive" really means.. ) Does that make sense? To me it's the way to loose weight, maintain, and get back on track when you stray without having to put your life on the break while you get back to shape. I know what works for me might not work for somebody else.. I know some people don't want or need the meetings.. to me they are essentials... I tend to forget that I'm a member here.. not the group's leader.. I don't have to have all the answers.. or to guide everybody.. I try to remind myself of that when I'm here.. but sometimes I forget.. guess is a good lesson to learn.. makes me a better leader in the end ;o) By the way love the email addy ! doug@persevering! Hehehe Be good! -- Will~ "... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause." Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. "Doug Lerner" wrote in message ... On 11/30/05 1:47 PM, in article , "Willow" 2- The points are not based only on calories.. but also on the amount the fat grams and fiber grams the food contains.. so there's not a set number of calories to it.. Technically that is true, but for all practical purposes it is basically 50 calories per point. I've seen the equation (it's a copyrighted equation, so it's listed with the government in a publicly accessible area!). No matter how little fat a serving of food has, or how much fiber, the points never vary much from basically 50 calories per point. The number of points you are allowed depends on how much you weight.. so again there isn't a set number of calories. 227lbs means 28 pts as a daily target(minimum in a day) plus 35 pts a week.. 231 pts per week plus your activity pts which you earn by being physically active.. That averages to 33 points per day, or about 1650 calories per day. That is very close to the 1700 calories per day I have been aiming for. I don't think you're undereating so much as overthinking.. hahaha. I can't help you with the calories counting.. because I don't do it, and I think it's a very bad system.. it doesn't take account of the quality of the foods you're eating.. only the calories.. Maybe. But I really don't think it is all that different from WW points. I think they are statistically indistinguishable. I would rethink using calories and use WW points instead if there were some numbers showing I am wrong though. I can tell you that the Weight Watchers system works as is.. and that to me, it's the easiest and healthiest way to go. plateaus happens, slow downs happens, gain happens.. it's all part of loosing weight.. there's no perfect solution.. but there's only two things that will bring you to long lasting success, patience and perseverance.. Thanks. doug@persevering! |
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A question about calories - metabolism and "starvation mode" and Weight Watchers
To each their own, many many of my members tell me that the WW snacks are
one of the thing that keeps them on track.. Better a 2 pts bar than a snicker one.. I'd rather see them eat an apple, but I didn't make the world.. For myself I don't eat the chocolate ones, but if it'll help a member, than fine. -- Will~ "... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause." Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. "Lesanne" wrote in message ... Weight watchers, followed the way it is designed including the tools for living, is really the only program that addresses all those things people need for long term success. Empowerment Tools for changing behavior Support and to a lesser degree, sensible dietary advice (not counting their own junk food sales pitches, just the guidelines). -- Lesanne "Willow" wrote in message m... I won't give you numbers because one I don't have them.. and two I'm not a number person.. ) Guess I'm more the intuitive type as opposed to the calculating type.. Which is probably why I like points.. Besides, I'm in California.. from what I've heard we're supposed to be the "lets be happy with the flowers and angels all over the place" kinda persons right?? ;op~~~~ You've got to be a engineer or a IT guy.. ;op Seriously though, I tend to preach and I'm sorry. I love the WW program..it changed my life so completely.. I just want everybody to be successful too and get to know what "being alive" really means.. ) Does that make sense? To me it's the way to loose weight, maintain, and get back on track when you stray without having to put your life on the break while you get back to shape. I know what works for me might not work for somebody else.. I know some people don't want or need the meetings.. to me they are essentials... I tend to forget that I'm a member here.. not the group's leader.. I don't have to have all the answers.. or to guide everybody.. I try to remind myself of that when I'm here.. but sometimes I forget.. guess is a good lesson to learn.. makes me a better leader in the end ;o) By the way love the email addy ! doug@persevering! Hehehe Be good! -- Will~ "... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause." Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. "Doug Lerner" wrote in message ... On 11/30/05 1:47 PM, in article , "Willow" 2- The points are not based only on calories.. but also on the amount the fat grams and fiber grams the food contains.. so there's not a set number of calories to it.. Technically that is true, but for all practical purposes it is basically 50 calories per point. I've seen the equation (it's a copyrighted equation, so it's listed with the government in a publicly accessible area!). No matter how little fat a serving of food has, or how much fiber, the points never vary much from basically 50 calories per point. The number of points you are allowed depends on how much you weight.. so again there isn't a set number of calories. 227lbs means 28 pts as a daily target(minimum in a day) plus 35 pts a week.. 231 pts per week plus your activity pts which you earn by being physically active.. That averages to 33 points per day, or about 1650 calories per day. That is very close to the 1700 calories per day I have been aiming for. I don't think you're undereating so much as overthinking.. hahaha. I can't help you with the calories counting.. because I don't do it, and I think it's a very bad system.. it doesn't take account of the quality of the foods you're eating.. only the calories.. Maybe. But I really don't think it is all that different from WW points. I think they are statistically indistinguishable. I would rethink using calories and use WW points instead if there were some numbers showing I am wrong though. I can tell you that the Weight Watchers system works as is.. and that to me, it's the easiest and healthiest way to go. plateaus happens, slow downs happens, gain happens.. it's all part of loosing weight.. there's no perfect solution.. but there's only two things that will bring you to long lasting success, patience and perseverance.. Thanks. doug@persevering! |
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A question about calories - metabolism and "starvation mode" and Weight Watchers
Odd about the meetings, I don't even like people that much but I NEED my
meetings, Lee Willow wrote in message m... I won't give you numbers because one I don't have them.. and two I'm not a number person.. ) Guess I'm more the intuitive type as opposed to the calculating type.. Which is probably why I like points.. Besides, I'm in California.. from what I've heard we're supposed to be the "lets be happy with the flowers and angels all over the place" kinda persons right?? ;op~~~~ You've got to be a engineer or a IT guy.. ;op Seriously though, I tend to preach and I'm sorry. I love the WW program..it changed my life so completely.. I just want everybody to be successful too and get to know what "being alive" really means.. ) Does that make sense? To me it's the way to loose weight, maintain, and get back on track when you stray without having to put your life on the break while you get back to shape. I know what works for me might not work for somebody else.. I know some people don't want or need the meetings.. to me they are essentials... I tend to forget that I'm a member here.. not the group's leader.. I don't have to have all the answers.. or to guide everybody.. I try to remind myself of that when I'm here.. but sometimes I forget.. guess is a good lesson to learn.. makes me a better leader in the end ;o) By the way love the email addy ! doug@persevering! Hehehe Be good! -- Will~ "... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause." Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth. "Doug Lerner" wrote in message ... On 11/30/05 1:47 PM, in article , "Willow" 2- The points are not based only on calories.. but also on the amount the fat grams and fiber grams the food contains.. so there's not a set number of calories to it.. Technically that is true, but for all practical purposes it is basically 50 calories per point. I've seen the equation (it's a copyrighted equation, so it's listed with the government in a publicly accessible area!). No matter how little fat a serving of food has, or how much fiber, the points never vary much from basically 50 calories per point. The number of points you are allowed depends on how much you weight.. so again there isn't a set number of calories. 227lbs means 28 pts as a daily target(minimum in a day) plus 35 pts a week.. 231 pts per week plus your activity pts which you earn by being physically active.. That averages to 33 points per day, or about 1650 calories per day. That is very close to the 1700 calories per day I have been aiming for. I don't think you're undereating so much as overthinking.. hahaha. I can't help you with the calories counting.. because I don't do it, and I think it's a very bad system.. it doesn't take account of the quality of the foods you're eating.. only the calories.. Maybe. But I really don't think it is all that different from WW points. I think they are statistically indistinguishable. I would rethink using calories and use WW points instead if there were some numbers showing I am wrong though. I can tell you that the Weight Watchers system works as is.. and that to me, it's the easiest and healthiest way to go. plateaus happens, slow downs happens, gain happens.. it's all part of loosing weight.. there's no perfect solution.. but there's only two things that will bring you to long lasting success, patience and perseverance.. Thanks. doug@persevering! |
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A question about calories - metabolism and "starvation mode" and Weight Watchers
Not true. A nonfat item with 4 gms of fiber can have up to 110 calories and
be one point. A high fat item, with no fiber, can have a little as 30 calories and be a point. I have the WW official thing here on my desk. My average calories per point is 60, because I tend to prefer high fiber foods by choice. .. Technically that is true, but for all practical purposes it is basically 50 calories per point. I've seen the equation (it's a copyrighted equation, so it's listed with the government in a publicly accessible area!). No matter how little fat a serving of food has, or how much fiber, the points never vary much from basically 50 calories per point. |
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