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RAFL week 9 - Prairie Roots



 
 
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Old March 20th, 2004, 09:42 AM
Joyce
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Our local high school isn't quite as samll as yours, but small for this area ...
student body of about 1300. Probably only a small fraction of those attend the
dances. Prom has never been held in the school, which is a shame as they do have
plenty of room available. It always has been a fancy hotel or banquet facility -
which comes with a rather large price tag. Then after the prom they move the
festivities to the riverboat, which is probably the same as yours ... except on
Lake Michigan. G After THAT, some kids insist on staying in hotel rooms ... or
they have a lock down elsewhere to continue the festivities even longer. It has
become a total evening affair. sigh At my sons highschool (student body of 600)
it ended up being an entire week-end affair. Prom was on Thursday, picnic on
friday, follow-up dinner friday night, and then some week-end lockdown at the
school for saturday and sunday. It became totally ridiculous and incredibly
expensive. And the lake michigan cruise didn't hold much interest to any of the
kids, as this has now become the celebration routine for graduating 8th graders!

I have no idea where things have become so out of control. I guess it isn't much
different than kids birthday parties. Gone are the days you and I saw, of home
parties with a few kids, few games, cake/ice cream and call it a day. Now they
have to be (at least in my area) at restaurants or party centers, every classmate
has to be invited, you have to give gift bags to each child that attends, and
each party seems to have to outdo the previous childs. Needless to say, my
children missed out on that part of their lives as I didn't bite into the going
rage around here. I refuse to compete with anyone. Their *parties* included a
very few friends that I could manage on my own, in my own home.

Joyce

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:50:48 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

This year it is $65/couple and they are complaining that they raised the
price. Last year it was $60/couple. Sherry's dress last year was a
whopping $12.00 (yes twelve dollars), we found it at Ross Dress for Less and
it was on clearance besides. She is lucky in that she is so tiny, just
about anything would look cute on her. She ended up splitting the ticket
with the young man she went with, so I think the whole night was less than
$100 including taking photos and even though she went to dinner, she did not
want to eat, so no expense there either. I was the limo driver, as I was a
chaperone for the dance. Because her high school is only about 200
students, they open it up to all students, so that they can actually have a
prom. The past two years they have had it on the riverboat
http://www.spiritofsacramento.com/fleet/mckinley.htm it was nice and
contained so chaperoning was easy, as there was no getting on and off the
boat. I will say though, for early May it was darned cold at night on the
river, it was breezy and in the 50s, so it was chilly for here. This year
they are holding it at a hall in the next town. This senior class wanted
something that no other class had ever done since this is the first class to
graduate that have been there their entire high school career. The school
only opened 4 years ago.

Sherry's dress this year was $50, but like I said her dad and step mom
bought it and I got her shoes on clearance for $15 and they match perfectly.
She has a red dress and these are red shoes. She is riding in a limo this
year, but someone else is renting it and asked her to go along with them. I
most likely will be chaperoning again, but I will drive my own car to the
hall this time. The thing is the boy that she went with last year and is
going with this year, that is the only times, they have been out together.
His parents have a strange philosophy with dating outside your religion and
well Sherry is not his religion. So he just hides the fact that Sherry and
him have been a "couple" for a year now.

Debbie




"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
One is too old for prom. He avoided it like the plague in highschool and

has no
intention of participating now. He is one of those *dances are not for

me* type
guys ... tried it once, drove him nuts. LOL My daughter has talked about

going,
but also really has little interest. It is so darned expensive around

here, maybe
it's the same in all areas. Tickets run over $100/couple, attire is

similar
priced if not higher ... then there is the after prom activity, dinner,

and day
after. And of course you can't drive, you MUST hire a limo to cart you

around. I
swear it's like a dang wedding. Daughter was going to go with her best

friend (he
is openly gay, a really sweet kid) but now they are thinking of waiting

until
their senior year. I don't push, I was the same way - hated the dances,

it just
wasn't *me*. My group used to skip the expense and hassle of the dance

itself,
and just hit the picnic the next day. We survived, we were happy, didn't

feel
like we missed out on anything.

Joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:16:37 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

I dunno Joyce, it's prom season around the corner? You *do* have

teens...

I love knowing who is owned by which company, etc. It's my hobby.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Well, I don't think I have any urgent need for formalwear or bridal
apparel. G
It appears we only have the higher end stores in our area then, I'm
assuming they
must also have lower end retail stores? I'm thinking there may be a
bloomingdales
in Oakbrook .. or maybe it was just talk of one at some time - don't
remember.
Lord and Taylor's is in Fox Valley. None of them hold any interest for
me, too
uppity. G

Thanks for the info. I do find it very interesting, who owns what.

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:13:00 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Joyce,

I just did a search on the May's and Federated. Lord & Taylor's is a
May's
dept store as was Filene's Basement while here. They also recently
bought
Gingiss formalwear and own David's Bridal.

Macy's is Federated as is Bloomingdale's and I believe there is a
Bloomie's
in the city.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
LOL! And you not dealing with a sweatshirt is when the temps are

what
...
low
60's? Today it was about 45, heat wave in my mind. Running around

in
shirtsleeves like it was mid summer. G

I think the only reason our paper carried the story of the stores
selling
is
because Marshall Field's has been a long time chicago store.

Selling
it
off is
another landmark disappearing. My understanding is that they will

only
be
keeping
the Target chain, the rest will be dissolved or sold. No Federated

or
May's here
either, will be interesting to see if this means that both of us

will
see
these
chains appear in the future? Or will we only have Target left?

Ok, maybe the stuff at Hot Topic is the pleather and vinyl and not
leather
.. I
tend to just lump it all in the same category. G Not something

any
of
the
family members go for, so we don't give it a second look and do not
check
out the
tags. LOL Cass doesn't buy too much at the concerts, finds the

items
way
too
expensive and standing in line a pain in the neck. My son just went

to
a
concert
a few weeks ago, had asked if I wanted a t'shirt (he is into country
like
his mama
... I taught the boy well). I found the tour t'shirt at a flea

market,
for $3 -
so much cheaper than what was offered at the concert ... and it was

the
current
one!

What a neat career for you daughter to get into. Cassie is leaing

in a
few
directions at the moment - all media based but I think more in the
journalism end.
She has thought about marketing for radio/music, then swings into
photographic
journalism, then thought she would really enjoy getting into music
based
magazine
stuff. Next week will be her first visit to a college, which I am a
bit
fearful
on prices since it is one of the artsy type chicago schools. But it
comes
with a
fantastic reputation and one of the best journalism programs around.
So
we'll
see.

Joyce

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:01:37 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

You are so right about the warmer clothes, I think I have had my

heavy
wool
coat on maybe six times all winter. Normally a sweatshirt will do
unless
it
is pouring down rain, and then you need the umbrella,but most

times, I
don't
even bother with a jacket or umbrella, as I can't be bothered with
them
and
don't mind the little bit of rain I get on me in the process. I
typically
just don't go out when it is really bad weather (that is for here

at
least).

Yes, Mervyns, Marshall Fields and Target are all owned by the same
company.
Had not heard about them selling off any of the stores. We don't

have
Federated or Mays out here, so maybe it is just the Midwest stores,

of
course, we don't have Marshall Fields out here either.

Hot Topic is a Goth store, no leather in ours though, just pleather
and
vinyl. They carry Dickies in there too, so we have bought them

when
they
are on the clearance racks. They do have a large variety of
band/music
t's,
by Sherry typically gets her music t's when she attends a concert.
She
is a
huge music fan and goes to concerts/shows quite often. She is even
working
her schooling towards going into the music business, hopefully
managing
bands, etc. She already does marketing and things with a local

band
here
in
town.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
If I remember correctly, Mervyn's is a division of Marshall

Fields
...
as
is
Target. Yup - just dug the newspaper article out of the

*library*
(hub
constantly
drags them into the potty - lol). Currently they are selling off
the
Field's end
of the stores and *lower -end Mervyn's chain* (quoted from the
newspaper)
and
hoping Federated or May's will buy them out. We don't have the
Mervyn's
in my
area. I love Target, but stay far away from their clothing -

have
not
had
much
luck in the quality. I swear, every shirt I have ever purchased
from
them
has
shrunk to half its size in the first washing and that was when I
would
line dry my
clothing. But you can't beat their household items. Around here
American
Eagle
is pretty non-trendy type items, much simpler styling by

standards,
less
glitz and
fuss which is why I think my daughter prefers it. Well, as well

as
being
able to
walk in and find things small enough. g I hate the prices

though,
you
are only
paying for the name. The shoes are odd though. Around here they
are
all
just
unisex - buy smaller size if you are a female because they are

sized
for
men ...
at least in the converse styles. I just ran into the same thing
with
the
pair of
Adidas she bought from Journeys. They put the mens stuff in

smaller
sizes, in the
womens section. g But these are what are considered to be *in
style*
with all
the kids. Hot Topic is considered more of a *goth* store in our
area
...
tons of
black, leather and chain type attire. Daughter does wander in on
rare
occassions,
but only buys t's - says they have great music/band t's.

My son found the Dickie's brand carried in PacSun when he was
shopping
for
work
clothes a few weeks ago, I also believe daughter bought a

sweatshirt
at
Anchor
Blue (which she doesn't like shopping at very often) - so
evidentally
has
become a
much more popular item with the kids again. We don't have any

work
type
stores
nearby, have to drive 45 minutes to the nearest one (Farm and

Fleet
...
which I
love). Probably because I am stuck in yuppie heaven (or hell,
depending
on how
you view things - lol). But Farm and Fleet is fantastic, prices

are
great
and
always a fun place to go. Carhart seems to be the current craze
(based
on
sonny
boy talking his dad into buying me a new jacket for Christmas).
That
also
might
be due to the weather we endure - you don't have much need for

the
heavier
duty/warmer clothing in your neck of the woods. G

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:10:52 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

The American Eagle, Express, etc, are the stores she stays away
from.
We
rarely step into K-Mart or Wal-Mart. I hate that they have zero
customer
service. I typically shop Target instead for the things that
K-Mart
or
Wal-Mart carry. We have a store called Mervyn's here that sells
the
jeans
she likes on sale for about $22 that is very reasonable. The
Dickies
that
she wears, are the men's, and they typically come from Work

World.
The
converse shoes are the basic black ones, nothing special about

it
and
they
did come from Journey's, but we had to special order them, since
she
wears
the boys/men's styles rather than the girls styles. Of any

store
that
she
shops at that would be considered trendy it would be Hot Topic.
But
then
again, those are just t's and a few other tops she buys in

there.
She
is
such a down to earth girl. Most of the stuff she wears, she
prefers
to
buy
in the men's/boys department and those are cheaper too.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds to me like your store is one of the much smaller ones.

I
have 4
stores in
nearby towns - one is a very small store, one is extremely

large
...
other
two are
somewhere in between. The women's section in the one nearest

me
is
quite
large
... well, larger than 3 racks but smaller than a specialty

shop.
g
I
do
admit
though, that I never cared for their selection of items in the
larger
sizes ...
then again, I didn't care for the items in the specialized
women's
stores
either.
I'm very picky. G

Your non-trendy daughter would have no problem shopping in the
Kohl's
store near
me ... they carry the lowrise levi's (carry tons of levi's)

and
dickie
sweats.
What's rather odd is that around here, Dickie's is considered

a
more
trendy brand
as well as those high top converse's (daughter just looked at

a
pair
at
Journeys
but took a pass on them) ... so maybe by CA standards she is

not
trendy,
yet IL
standards she is??? g I have found Kohl's to have the best
prices
on
the levi
jeans ... again, when they are on sale. I don't recall ever
spending
more
than
$20/pair, which is cheaper than anywhere else (they usually

run
around
$30-$40
depending on style - low rise and stretch are at the top price
end).
Now
my
youngest daughter will not buy clothing at Kohl's, she is more

of
a
brand
snob in
my opinion ... American Eagle, Express, etc.

I also lean towards the very basic type stylings ... jeans,

t's,
polo's,
simple
sweaters - so is very easy to catch sales. I'm not into
*brands*,
the
house
brands are just fine by me. I picked up several polo's during
last
years
clearance for $3/each - sweaters at the beginning of the

season
for
around
$12. I
can't touch those prices elsewhere (other than K-mart/Wal-mart
which
fall
apart on
me after a few washings).

I guess it's just like everywhere else. You have to know your
pricing
and
your
merchandise. I stay away from the high end designs.

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:23:24 -0800, "Deb in Northern

California"
wrote:

At this point, I am still in the larger sizes and their

larger
sized
women's
department had a lot to be desired, I think they had may 3

racks
total
of
larger size clothes, so most likely I will not be back there

for
a
while.
The younger/junior sized things that my daughter could fit in

to
she
would
not be caught dead in, she is so not into the fashion trends.
Give
her a
pair of jeans (Levi's ultra-low rise with stretch size 5),a
T-shirt
and
her
Dickies hooded sweatshirt along with her high top Converse

shoes
and
she
is
a happy camper. She is so simple, and not trendy at all. It

is
nice
to
shop for her and she is not a clothes horse either so that is
nice
too.
On
the other hand her older sister (20 years old) loves to shop

and
could
break
me, but since she has to spend her own money on clothes now,

she
thinks
twice before buying something.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message

...
Give Kohls time to get going. Ours has the greatest

clearance
racks.
Stuff
70% off. Now affordable. I found a cute long dressy skirt
there
the
other
night for $5. It might be a tad too big by the time I plan

to
wear
it
in
May
but it will be worth taking it in at the waist for the
luncheon.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote

in
message
news We had a Kohl's open in our town last week. This was the
first
wave
of
stores to open in Nor Cal. I was very disappointed in

the
store
and
the
quality of merchandise and the prices were on the high

side
as
far
as
I
was
concerned. But that is just my observation of going

there
last
night
and
looking for a strapless bra for my youngest daughter.

$30+
for
a
bra
that
hold barely anything. She is a 34A.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Yup, definitely younger category ... you are the same

age
as
our
oldest
girl
(she'll be 30 in June). She also loves Gap, Banana
Republic,
Eddie
Bauer,
Express, etc. To me, the *normal* prices at all these
stores
are
too
expensive.
Again, probably an age thing. What I think is

expensive,
she
thinks
is
reasonable. G I'm more of a Kohl's/Penney's type
shopper.
G

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:16:46 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

I'll be thirty this year, so I guess I qualify in the
younger
category.
I'm
also all of 5 ft 3 in and my torso seems to be
proportioned--I
wouldn't
know
since it's been submerged under the weight for so

long.

It's certainly clearance time. We'll be going to

Banana
Republic
for
dh
soon...I have a feeling sweaters will be inexpensive
soon.
Last
year
we
got
him cashmere/silk blends for $7/ea.

Julie, who loves to get great bargains on clothing.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I did buy one pair of Gap jeans on clearance, was a
great
deal
for
$10.
You will
get into that XL shirt. If you're younger, you
probably
don't
mind
those
shorter
styles anyway. My problem is that all my height is
from
the
waist
up -
so
shirts
that are cut to hit at the waist normally, will hit

me
even
higher
up.
Not a
pretty picture on this old lady. G I did find

some
terrific
buys
after
Christmas ... mens cotton sweaters, marked down to

$6.
These
were
cut
so
short, I
can't imagine any man wearing them. But they fit me
perfectly,
and
are
just plain
unisex styling. Guess it's time once again to check
out
the
clearance
racks. I
found out today that what few hooded sweatshirts I
have,
are
all
size
L
(mens) ...
much too big. This should be the right time to pick
stuff
up
cheaply.

Joyce

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:44:48 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

No, but on clearance they are very attractive. I

have
a
shirt
from
the
Gap
that I bought specifically as a NSV clothing shirt.

I
paid
$1.99
for
it.
I
do hope to get into it at some point, it's an XL.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I do have two pairs of jeans from the gap, but

they
don't
seem
to
fit
as
well as
these others I have found. They fit *ok* and are
acceptable
...
except
for the
price. G Shirts at the Gap are definitely made
for
younger
females,
those with
little to no chest factor. G Even my 105 pound
daughter
has
to
take
a
medium
there. They seem to be cut small and short ...

not
good
options
for
women
with
longer body lengths.

Joyce

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:01:04 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Have you been to the Gap? I know they are more
expensive,
but
if
they
fit
right....

"Joyce" wrote in message

. ..
I tend to have the same thing, hard to stay
focused
100%
of
the
time
when
everyone
is fussing over us. I find I kind of relax

just
a
little
too
much.
G
But,
that's ok too - sometimes you just have to

relax,
as
long
as
we
don't
make
it a
forever thing.

I have a tough time with jeans too, had

someone
the
other
day
tell
me
to
try the
junior sizing (yeah, right, sure - not gonna
happen
unless
I
want
to
totally
humiliate myself). Relaxed fit is too big in

the
legs,
hips
and
thighs -
look
like clown pants on me. I have a pair of
carpenter
pants
on
today,
size 6
and
very baggy. I could take a 4 in these and
probably
still
have
a
bit
of
room to
spare - they don't come in 4's. In lower rise
jeans
I
seem
to
need
a
smaller size
than in regular cut higher waist - the waist

is
too
snug
for
my
liking
and
I do
like to be able to breath. I haven't tried

the
Gloria
Vanderbilt
jeans,
always
made the assumption that those *designer*

names
wouldn't
work
for
me -
maybe I
will give them a try as I saw some cute

capri's
in a
sales
ad
this
week.
I found
a new one that does fit me well though, only

ones
in
the
Lee
brand
that
aren't
baggy in the legs ... they have a *one true

fit*
or
something
like
that -
fits me
very nicely ... everywhere. Same with the

Levi
Nouveau
but I
forget
which
number
(why do they assign the styles numbers???).

The
levi's
have
a
little
stretch to
them, great in the waist but tend to get a tad
baggy
in
the
seat
after
a
few
hours. Oh well, I like the baggy better than

the
constant
snug
I
used
to
deal
with. g Shirts are an entirely different

story
with
me -
range
anywhere
from a
small to a large, depending on the store and
brand.
I
have
no
cl
ue.

Joyce

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:13:37 -0600, Prairie

Roots

wrote:

Thanks Joyce. I got a lot of compliments and
attention
at
work
this
week regarding my weight loss, people saying
things
about
how
confident I appear, that I have a more

positive
attitude,
and
just
plain look great. I think my head got a

little
puffed
up
from
all
the
compliments and that's what started all the
other
crazy
thinking.

It's hard to find jeans that fit me. The
ubiquitous
relaxed
fit
jeans
don't work for me; I carry my weight in my
tummy,
not
my
hips
and
thighs. Of all the brands I've tried, Gloria
Vanderbilt
classic
fit
jeans fit me best. I too like a little

stretch
in
my
jeans,
makes
bending over not just a breathtaking

experience.
LOL
But
couldn't
find
any this shopping trip and the non-stretch

jeans
don't
cut
off
my
oxygen supply.

Thanks again for your encouragement.

Linda P

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:58:12 -0600, Joyce

wrote:

Hey, taking a week of following the program

and
maintaining
is
fantastic! Call it
practice for the future, you've proved to
yourself
that
it
can
be
done.
Congrats
on holding firm this week.

Wish I could help you with the sink decision
...
my
decisions
are
always
to go on
the cheap side of things. G I think both
times
we've
replaced
the
sink, we
ended up at Builders Square (or similar home
improvement
store)
and
looking at
their discards (something that someone else
ordered
and
couldn't/wouldn't use for
one reason or another). Many times they may
have
had
a
little
chip
or
scratch in
the underside - nothing noticeable or
functionable -
but
always
at
a
great
reduction and usable. Might be something to
think
about
or
look
into.

What a great NSV, fitting easily into those
size
10
jeans,
smaller
tops
and much
smaller undergarments. I love the clothing
victories
(yet
still
hate
to
shop).
Where did you ever find jeans without

stretch
though?
I
swear
that
seems to be
all that is being made these days! BUT ...
don't
write
them
off
dear.
They are
wonderfully comfortable, and I've found

rather
flattering.
They
hug
ya
in all
those places we didn't use to like being
hugged.
G

Fight back with those other personalities of
yours
that
are
currently
letting
themselves be heard. Do not let them put a
damper
on
your
motivation
or
spirit.
You know why you should go further, just

have
to
make
sure
you
are
louder than
those other voices. C'mon Linda (wow, was

THAT
hard
for
me
to
say),
you
can do
it!

Joyce



On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:54:10 -0600, Prairie
Roots

wrote:

My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded

weight:
0.0
lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my
weight
from
last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting
the
70+
total
loss
and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my
motivation
to
keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part

of
me
I
haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should

even
further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I
tried
on
a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and
discovered
that
it
fit.
I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got

into
a
classic
fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also

discovered
that
the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over

to
the
foundations
department for new undergarments and give

my
girls a
new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to

38D.

My food was off this week. More

importantly, I
didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the
impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current

dilemma
is
deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my
construction
budget
I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my
bike.
Later
today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get

cranky.
The
bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than

usual
and
getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient

whose
health
issues.
A
major
project I've been involved with at work is
nearing
completion
and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of

a
breather
from
WW
this
week to marvel at my overall progress and

to
focus
on a
few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up

maintaining
is a
wonder.

It's the best day of my life!

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003






















  #132  
Old March 20th, 2004, 12:38 PM
Miss Violette
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default RAFL week 9 - Prairie Roots

I love having them, hate going to get them, Lee
Fred wrote in message
...
And so is food - and both are addictions for some folks. Clothes are
not my thing.

Toys - yes

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 06:49:24 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

and you know, clothing is a necessity, Lee
Fred wrote in message
news
Good point. I have to decide what to use my rei dividend on and the
sleeping bag was one good option but I don't seem to be inclined.

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:22:50 -0600, Prairie Roots
wrote:

If you "tried on" a sleeping bag, it should be categorized as
clothing. Neither toy nor what.

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:14:08 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Oh, when a choice of TOYS or other things, TOYS wins hands down. I
can't decide if a new sleeping bag is a toy or what (G)

Gas is the only way. (sitting by the gas fireplace just before
cooking dinner on gas)

I don't even have an ice maker and remove the cube tray entirely from
my fridge.

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:58:56 -0600, Joyce wrote:

That really is true. My daughter wants us to get a new fridge, and

I
have a
feeling we aren't too far off. Our *new* one is about 13 years old,

one of the
brackets the door swings on has broken - but it still cools

wonderfully
and makes
ice ... so I'm not biting. Of course, she wants one of the new ones

with the
computer right on the door. I have no idea why, other than she

thinks
it looks
neat. Probably so she can keep up her instant messaging while

gazing
endlessly at
the interior of the fridge (her current habit).

Ya know, I was raised on electric cooking - my mom loved it. When I

got married,
I had a heck of a time adjusting to the gas and swore that at the

first
opportunity I would replace with an electric range. Now I am so

used
to the gas I
would not consider changing. I think it's so much easier to control

the heat, and
the burners cool much quicker when turned off. Other than the

option
of a totally
flat surface (we've talked about that before), nothing is going to

get
me to
switch.

I'd still rather buy toys. G

Joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:34:38 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Well, for justification, I was told new refrigerators are much more
efficient than anything sold 10 or more years ago. Cooking with

gas
is just entirely different than electricity that I cannot believe

that
I waited so many years to return to it.

Just one man's INVALUABLE opinion (G)

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:25:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm the same way, can't justify replacing something that is still

working ... no
matter how outdated it is or how bad I really would like a more

current model.
Well, except for my computers. Those I have no trouble replacing

early. G
Guess we all have our priorites. G

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:13:56 -0600, "Miss Violette"


wrote:

Hey, My kitchen stuff is still green, I want to replace it and

need
to but
can't while it is still working. Dish washer just got replaced

after three
years with out one. DH offered to buy me a new one but I

couldn't
justify
it,so when he ran across one for $138.00 I was OK with that, the
refrigerator, sink and stove are still A G, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
news:44i450175na943pi8s3ho4n7ja4ir9jgsk@4ax. com...
LOL! And I had to fight the avacado greens ... stove, fridge,

double oven
AND
dishwasher (guess it blended in with the orange shag carpeting

and
gold
drapes).
I was so dang glad to get rid of that stuff. Now all my

*stuff*
is white
or black
- nice and neutral, easy to work around.

Joyce

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:55:26 -0800, Fred


wrote:

I made some comments about "vogue" when looking at stainless

and
was
reminded of COPPERTONE - now, there was a blast from the past!

For years, this place had an almond fridge (mine from a prior

house),
a harvest gold, rollaway dishwasher (I inherited at the prior

house)
and a white stove (this house). Oh, yes, the sink was

stainless.
Now
the sink ain't but everything else is! (G)

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:58:07 -0600, Joyce

wrote:

I think it's just another one of those *personal taste*

things.
Why did
the woman
who lived in THIS house before me, prefer dark panelled

walls,
white
carpet (ah,
and orange in a few rooms) and draperies that ran wall to

wall
(to cover
up 40"
windows)? That's why there are so many different products on

the
market - each of
us have different tastes.

Me? Add me to the *don't like, won't have* stainless steel

group. I've
had it,
found it a pain to keep clean and nice looking, it always

looked
scratched and
nicked up. The only way to remove finger prints, water spots

and
streaking was to
constantly be wiping down with vinegar. I am not a constant

type of
cleaner. G

I love the ceramic, is so much easier (for me anyway). What

you
think
are
scratches and stains, come out with elbow grease and

ajax/comet
scouring
powder.
Any residual coffee staining, fill sink with water and bleach

solution
and let
soak for 30 minutes or so ... rinse and back to bright white.

After 16
years,
mine still is looking grand.

Then again, it might be one of those age issues. Styles tend

to
go in
circles,
and I notice stainless is very vogue once again.

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:03:10 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Forgive me, but why in the world do your friends not care

for
stainless?

Julie, who can't fathom that idea.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Thanks Lee. My sink choices are quickly narrowing to

stainless steel.
I've been listening to a couple of friends who don't care

for
stainless, but I have SS now and don't seem to mind the

problems
they've listed. I'll be buying a new gas range/stovetop

and
dishwasher, too, and am considering stainless steel

finish.

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:27:49 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I am glad to see your attitude is so wonderful. Get

stainless steel
whatever configuration you get on the sink, I love

stainless
steel,
Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0 lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight from

last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the 70+

total
loss and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation to

keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me I

haven't heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried on a

jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered that

it
fit. I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a classic

fit size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered that the

medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the

foundations
department for new undergarments and give my girls a

new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I didn't

exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the impending

construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is decid

ing
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my construction

budget I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike. Later

today I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The bus

strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual and

getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose health

issues. A
major
project I've been involved with at work is nearing

completion and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a breather

from
WW this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to focus on a

few other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a

wonder.

It's the best day of my life!
--
Linda P
week 54: 232/159.6/WW goal 145
RAFL week 9: 167/159.6/154
next mini-goals: 157 (75 lbs total loss); 155 (10 lbs

to
WW goal);
154
( RAFL goal)
started WW 22-Feb-2003 | 10% target: 1-May-2003
5'4" | 50 | F




Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003




Linda P
232/158/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003





  #133  
Old March 20th, 2004, 12:52 PM
skiur
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default RAFL week 9 - Prairie Roots

*grin* True. We have become very lazy. The wireless homes aren't really
pratical in my eyes either...more things to break and if you can't program
it yourself then well....

There's a dry cleaner off Dundee (I know that it's far from you) who is
charging 95cents/item. You have to pay in advance and I believe they only
take cash but 95cents and item!!


"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Dry cleaning? What's that? G Very little, if anything goes to the dry

cleaner
anymore - it has become way too expensive. Those wireless homes are

definitely
interesting, but seeing that we have quickly become a lazy society I do

wonder if
this just adds to it. Just think. We no longer would have to leave the

comfort
of our computer chairs (or wherever) to turn off lights, televisions, lock

doors,
etc. Heck, at one time that was about the only activity I ever got! g

Joyce

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:35:36 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

Two years ago, I was at the National Home Builder's show in Atlanta and

they
had the wireless house (or some other name equivalent) and you would not
believe what they had in the automated house! Everything from the music

to
the lights were controlled by wireless measures. There was a pc that ran
the house that could be put anywhere...I think the fridge was an option

as a
surface.

It even came with a unit that did dry cleaning!

Julie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Nah, sleeping bag is a necessity for you, not a toy. Unless of course,

you plan
on spending every evening in front of your fireplace, curled inside

said
sleeping
bag. G I'd love to have a fireplace, but as hard as we tried to find

somewhere
to put one ... we just couldn't come up with a good spot. So ... no

crackling
fires for me.

I have to have an icemaker, won't bend on that issue. No one else in

the
house
can empty trays into a bin, or refill them when they take the last cube

(much like
lightbulbs burning out - I seem to be the only one who notices ... or

changing
toilet paper rolls). I was plain tired of the rare occassions I wanted

a
soda or
tea and not having any ice available. Problem was easily solved by

having
an
icemaker in the fridge when we replaced it. No water dispensers or any

other
gadgets though - I don't need them. But you have to admit ... a

computer
right on
the fridge door IS pretty neat. G I wonder if it's wireless. LOL

joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:14:08 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Oh, when a choice of TOYS or other things, TOYS wins hands down. I
can't decide if a new sleeping bag is a toy or what (G)

Gas is the only way. (sitting by the gas fireplace just before
cooking dinner on gas)

I don't even have an ice maker and remove the cube tray entirely from
my fridge.

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:58:56 -0600, Joyce wrote:

That really is true. My daughter wants us to get a new fridge, and I

have a
feeling we aren't too far off. Our *new* one is about 13 years old,

one
of the
brackets the door swings on has broken - but it still cools

wonderfully
and makes
ice ... so I'm not biting. Of course, she wants one of the new ones

with the
computer right on the door. I have no idea why, other than she

thinks
it looks
neat. Probably so she can keep up her instant messaging while gazing

endlessly at
the interior of the fridge (her current habit).

Ya know, I was raised on electric cooking - my mom loved it. When I

got
married,
I had a heck of a time adjusting to the gas and swore that at the

first
opportunity I would replace with an electric range. Now I am so used

to
the gas I
would not consider changing. I think it's so much easier to control

the
heat, and
the burners cool much quicker when turned off. Other than the option

of
a totally
flat surface (we've talked about that before), nothing is going to

get
me to
switch.

I'd still rather buy toys. G

Joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:34:38 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Well, for justification, I was told new refrigerators are much more
efficient than anything sold 10 or more years ago. Cooking with gas
is just entirely different than electricity that I cannot believe

that
I waited so many years to return to it.

Just one man's INVALUABLE opinion (G)

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:25:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm the same way, can't justify replacing something that is still

working ... no
matter how outdated it is or how bad I really would like a more

current model.
Well, except for my computers. Those I have no trouble replacing

early. G
Guess we all have our priorites. G

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:13:56 -0600, "Miss Violette"


wrote:

Hey, My kitchen stuff is still green, I want to replace it and

need
to but
can't while it is still working. Dish washer just got replaced

after
three
years with out one. DH offered to buy me a new one but I couldn't

justify
it,so when he ran across one for $138.00 I was OK with that, the
refrigerator, sink and stove are still A G, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
om...
LOL! And I had to fight the avacado greens ... stove, fridge,

double oven
AND
dishwasher (guess it blended in with the orange shag carpeting

and
gold
drapes).
I was so dang glad to get rid of that stuff. Now all my *stuff*

is
white
or black
- nice and neutral, easy to work around.

Joyce

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:55:26 -0800, Fred


wrote:

I made some comments about "vogue" when looking at stainless

and
was
reminded of COPPERTONE - now, there was a blast from the past!

For years, this place had an almond fridge (mine from a prior

house),
a harvest gold, rollaway dishwasher (I inherited at the prior

house)
and a white stove (this house). Oh, yes, the sink was

stainless.
Now
the sink ain't but everything else is! (G)

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:58:07 -0600, Joyce

wrote:

I think it's just another one of those *personal taste*

things.
Why did
the woman
who lived in THIS house before me, prefer dark panelled walls,

white
carpet (ah,
and orange in a few rooms) and draperies that ran wall to wall

(to cover
up 40"
windows)? That's why there are so many different products on

the
market - each of
us have different tastes.

Me? Add me to the *don't like, won't have* stainless steel

group. I've
had it,
found it a pain to keep clean and nice looking, it always

looked
scratched and
nicked up. The only way to remove finger prints, water spots

and
streaking was to
constantly be wiping down with vinegar. I am not a constant

type
of
cleaner. G

I love the ceramic, is so much easier (for me anyway). What

you
think
are
scratches and stains, come out with elbow grease and

ajax/comet
scouring
powder.
Any residual coffee staining, fill sink with water and bleach

solution
and let
soak for 30 minutes or so ... rinse and back to bright white.

After 16
years,
mine still is looking grand.

Then again, it might be one of those age issues. Styles tend

to
go in
circles,
and I notice stainless is very vogue once again.

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:03:10 -0600, "skiur"


wrote:

Forgive me, but why in the world do your friends not care for
stainless?

Julie, who can't fathom that idea.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Thanks Lee. My sink choices are quickly narrowing to

stainless
steel.
I've been listening to a couple of friends who don't care

for
stainless, but I have SS now and don't seem to mind the

problems
they've listed. I'll be buying a new gas range/stovetop and
dishwasher, too, and am considering stainless steel finish.

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:27:49 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I am glad to see your attitude is so wonderful. Get

stainless steel
whatever configuration you get on the sink, I love

stainless
steel,
Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0 lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight from

last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the 70+

total
loss and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation to

keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me I

haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried on a

jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered that

it
fit. I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a classic

fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered that the

medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the

foundations
department for new undergarments and give my girls a new

lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I didn't

exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the impending

construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is

deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my construction

budget I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike. Later

today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The bus

strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual and

getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose health

issues. A
major
project I've been involved with at work is nearing

completion and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a breather

from
WW this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to focus on a

few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a

wonder.

It's the best day of my life!
--
Linda P
week 54: 232/159.6/WW goal 145
RAFL week 9: 167/159.6/154
next mini-goals: 157 (75 lbs total loss); 155 (10 lbs to

WW
goal);
154
( RAFL goal)
started WW 22-Feb-2003 | 10% target: 1-May-2003
5'4" | 50 | F




Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003








  #134  
Old March 20th, 2004, 01:12 PM
Miss Violette
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default RAFL week 9 - Prairie Roots

Now I could go for that dry-cleaning deal, Lee
skiur wrote in message
...
Two years ago, I was at the National Home Builder's show in Atlanta and

they
had the wireless house (or some other name equivalent) and you would not
believe what they had in the automated house! Everything from the music

to
the lights were controlled by wireless measures. There was a pc that ran
the house that could be put anywhere...I think the fridge was an option as

a
surface.

It even came with a unit that did dry cleaning!

Julie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Nah, sleeping bag is a necessity for you, not a toy. Unless of course,

you plan
on spending every evening in front of your fireplace, curled inside said

sleeping
bag. G I'd love to have a fireplace, but as hard as we tried to find

somewhere
to put one ... we just couldn't come up with a good spot. So ... no

crackling
fires for me.

I have to have an icemaker, won't bend on that issue. No one else in

the
house
can empty trays into a bin, or refill them when they take the last cube

(much like
lightbulbs burning out - I seem to be the only one who notices ... or

changing
toilet paper rolls). I was plain tired of the rare occassions I wanted

a
soda or
tea and not having any ice available. Problem was easily solved by

having
an
icemaker in the fridge when we replaced it. No water dispensers or any

other
gadgets though - I don't need them. But you have to admit ... a

computer
right on
the fridge door IS pretty neat. G I wonder if it's wireless. LOL

joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:14:08 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Oh, when a choice of TOYS or other things, TOYS wins hands down. I
can't decide if a new sleeping bag is a toy or what (G)

Gas is the only way. (sitting by the gas fireplace just before
cooking dinner on gas)

I don't even have an ice maker and remove the cube tray entirely from
my fridge.

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:58:56 -0600, Joyce wrote:

That really is true. My daughter wants us to get a new fridge, and I

have a
feeling we aren't too far off. Our *new* one is about 13 years old,

one
of the
brackets the door swings on has broken - but it still cools

wonderfully
and makes
ice ... so I'm not biting. Of course, she wants one of the new ones

with the
computer right on the door. I have no idea why, other than she thinks

it looks
neat. Probably so she can keep up her instant messaging while gazing

endlessly at
the interior of the fridge (her current habit).

Ya know, I was raised on electric cooking - my mom loved it. When I

got
married,
I had a heck of a time adjusting to the gas and swore that at the

first
opportunity I would replace with an electric range. Now I am so used

to
the gas I
would not consider changing. I think it's so much easier to control

the
heat, and
the burners cool much quicker when turned off. Other than the option

of
a totally
flat surface (we've talked about that before), nothing is going to get

me to
switch.

I'd still rather buy toys. G

Joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:34:38 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Well, for justification, I was told new refrigerators are much more
efficient than anything sold 10 or more years ago. Cooking with gas
is just entirely different than electricity that I cannot believe

that
I waited so many years to return to it.

Just one man's INVALUABLE opinion (G)

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:25:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm the same way, can't justify replacing something that is still

working ... no
matter how outdated it is or how bad I really would like a more

current model.
Well, except for my computers. Those I have no trouble replacing

early. G
Guess we all have our priorites. G

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:13:56 -0600, "Miss Violette"


wrote:

Hey, My kitchen stuff is still green, I want to replace it and need

to but
can't while it is still working. Dish washer just got replaced

after
three
years with out one. DH offered to buy me a new one but I couldn't

justify
it,so when he ran across one for $138.00 I was OK with that, the
refrigerator, sink and stove are still A G, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
om...
LOL! And I had to fight the avacado greens ... stove, fridge,

double oven
AND
dishwasher (guess it blended in with the orange shag carpeting

and
gold
drapes).
I was so dang glad to get rid of that stuff. Now all my *stuff*

is
white
or black
- nice and neutral, easy to work around.

Joyce

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:55:26 -0800, Fred


wrote:

I made some comments about "vogue" when looking at stainless and

was
reminded of COPPERTONE - now, there was a blast from the past!

For years, this place had an almond fridge (mine from a prior

house),
a harvest gold, rollaway dishwasher (I inherited at the prior

house)
and a white stove (this house). Oh, yes, the sink was

stainless.
Now
the sink ain't but everything else is! (G)

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:58:07 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I think it's just another one of those *personal taste* things.

Why did
the woman
who lived in THIS house before me, prefer dark panelled walls,

white
carpet (ah,
and orange in a few rooms) and draperies that ran wall to wall

(to cover
up 40"
windows)? That's why there are so many different products on

the
market - each of
us have different tastes.

Me? Add me to the *don't like, won't have* stainless steel

group. I've
had it,
found it a pain to keep clean and nice looking, it always

looked
scratched and
nicked up. The only way to remove finger prints, water spots

and
streaking was to
constantly be wiping down with vinegar. I am not a constant

type
of
cleaner. G

I love the ceramic, is so much easier (for me anyway). What

you
think
are
scratches and stains, come out with elbow grease and ajax/comet

scouring
powder.
Any residual coffee staining, fill sink with water and bleach

solution
and let
soak for 30 minutes or so ... rinse and back to bright white.

After 16
years,
mine still is looking grand.

Then again, it might be one of those age issues. Styles tend

to
go in
circles,
and I notice stainless is very vogue once again.

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:03:10 -0600, "skiur"


wrote:

Forgive me, but why in the world do your friends not care for
stainless?

Julie, who can't fathom that idea.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Thanks Lee. My sink choices are quickly narrowing to

stainless
steel.
I've been listening to a couple of friends who don't care

for
stainless, but I have SS now and don't seem to mind the

problems
they've listed. I'll be buying a new gas range/stovetop and
dishwasher, too, and am considering stainless steel finish.

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:27:49 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I am glad to see your attitude is so wonderful. Get

stainless steel
whatever configuration you get on the sink, I love

stainless
steel,
Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0 lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight from

last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the 70+ total

loss and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation to keep

going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me I

haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried on a

jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered that it

fit. I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a classic

fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered that the

medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the

foundations
department for new undergarments and give my girls a new

lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I didn't

exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the impending

construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is

deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my construction

budget I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike. Later

today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The bus

strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual and

getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose health

issues. A
major
project I've been involved with at work is nearing

completion and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a breather

from
WW this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to focus on a

few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a wonder.

It's the best day of my life!
--
Linda P
week 54: 232/159.6/WW goal 145
RAFL week 9: 167/159.6/154
next mini-goals: 157 (75 lbs total loss); 155 (10 lbs to

WW
goal);
154
( RAFL goal)
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Old March 20th, 2004, 01:16 PM
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Default RAFL week 9 - Prairie Roots

that religion thing can make it rough, Lee
Deb in Northern California wrote in message
...
This year it is $65/couple and they are complaining that they raised the
price. Last year it was $60/couple. Sherry's dress last year was a
whopping $12.00 (yes twelve dollars), we found it at Ross Dress for Less

and
it was on clearance besides. She is lucky in that she is so tiny, just
about anything would look cute on her. She ended up splitting the ticket
with the young man she went with, so I think the whole night was less than
$100 including taking photos and even though she went to dinner, she did

not
want to eat, so no expense there either. I was the limo driver, as I was

a
chaperone for the dance. Because her high school is only about 200
students, they open it up to all students, so that they can actually have

a
prom. The past two years they have had it on the riverboat
http://www.spiritofsacramento.com/fleet/mckinley.htm it was nice and
contained so chaperoning was easy, as there was no getting on and off the
boat. I will say though, for early May it was darned cold at night on the
river, it was breezy and in the 50s, so it was chilly for here. This year
they are holding it at a hall in the next town. This senior class wanted
something that no other class had ever done since this is the first class

to
graduate that have been there their entire high school career. The

school
only opened 4 years ago.

Sherry's dress this year was $50, but like I said her dad and step mom
bought it and I got her shoes on clearance for $15 and they match

perfectly.
She has a red dress and these are red shoes. She is riding in a limo this
year, but someone else is renting it and asked her to go along with them.

I
most likely will be chaperoning again, but I will drive my own car to the
hall this time. The thing is the boy that she went with last year and is
going with this year, that is the only times, they have been out together.
His parents have a strange philosophy with dating outside your religion

and
well Sherry is not his religion. So he just hides the fact that Sherry and
him have been a "couple" for a year now.

Debbie




"Joyce" wrote in message
...
One is too old for prom. He avoided it like the plague in highschool

and
has no
intention of participating now. He is one of those *dances are not for

me* type
guys ... tried it once, drove him nuts. LOL My daughter has talked

about
going,
but also really has little interest. It is so darned expensive around

here, maybe
it's the same in all areas. Tickets run over $100/couple, attire is

similar
priced if not higher ... then there is the after prom activity, dinner,

and day
after. And of course you can't drive, you MUST hire a limo to cart you

around. I
swear it's like a dang wedding. Daughter was going to go with her best

friend (he
is openly gay, a really sweet kid) but now they are thinking of waiting

until
their senior year. I don't push, I was the same way - hated the dances,

it just
wasn't *me*. My group used to skip the expense and hassle of the dance

itself,
and just hit the picnic the next day. We survived, we were happy,

didn't
feel
like we missed out on anything.

Joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:16:37 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

I dunno Joyce, it's prom season around the corner? You *do* have

teens...

I love knowing who is owned by which company, etc. It's my hobby.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Well, I don't think I have any urgent need for formalwear or bridal
apparel. G
It appears we only have the higher end stores in our area then, I'm
assuming they
must also have lower end retail stores? I'm thinking there may be a
bloomingdales
in Oakbrook .. or maybe it was just talk of one at some time - don't
remember.
Lord and Taylor's is in Fox Valley. None of them hold any interest

for
me, too
uppity. G

Thanks for the info. I do find it very interesting, who owns what.

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:13:00 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Joyce,

I just did a search on the May's and Federated. Lord & Taylor's is

a
May's
dept store as was Filene's Basement while here. They also recently
bought
Gingiss formalwear and own David's Bridal.

Macy's is Federated as is Bloomingdale's and I believe there is a
Bloomie's
in the city.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
LOL! And you not dealing with a sweatshirt is when the temps are

what
...
low
60's? Today it was about 45, heat wave in my mind. Running

around
in
shirtsleeves like it was mid summer. G

I think the only reason our paper carried the story of the stores
selling
is
because Marshall Field's has been a long time chicago store.

Selling
it
off is
another landmark disappearing. My understanding is that they will

only
be
keeping
the Target chain, the rest will be dissolved or sold. No

Federated
or
May's here
either, will be interesting to see if this means that both of us

will
see
these
chains appear in the future? Or will we only have Target left?

Ok, maybe the stuff at Hot Topic is the pleather and vinyl and not
leather
.. I
tend to just lump it all in the same category. G Not something

any
of
the
family members go for, so we don't give it a second look and do

not
check
out the
tags. LOL Cass doesn't buy too much at the concerts, finds the

items
way
too
expensive and standing in line a pain in the neck. My son just

went
to
a
concert
a few weeks ago, had asked if I wanted a t'shirt (he is into

country
like
his mama
... I taught the boy well). I found the tour t'shirt at a flea

market,
for $3 -
so much cheaper than what was offered at the concert ... and it

was
the
current
one!

What a neat career for you daughter to get into. Cassie is leaing

in a
few
directions at the moment - all media based but I think more in the
journalism end.
She has thought about marketing for radio/music, then swings into
photographic
journalism, then thought she would really enjoy getting into music
based
magazine
stuff. Next week will be her first visit to a college, which I am

a
bit
fearful
on prices since it is one of the artsy type chicago schools. But

it
comes
with a
fantastic reputation and one of the best journalism programs

around.
So
we'll
see.

Joyce

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:01:37 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

You are so right about the warmer clothes, I think I have had my

heavy
wool
coat on maybe six times all winter. Normally a sweatshirt will

do
unless
it
is pouring down rain, and then you need the umbrella,but most

times, I
don't
even bother with a jacket or umbrella, as I can't be bothered

with
them
and
don't mind the little bit of rain I get on me in the process. I
typically
just don't go out when it is really bad weather (that is for here

at
least).

Yes, Mervyns, Marshall Fields and Target are all owned by the

same
company.
Had not heard about them selling off any of the stores. We don't

have
Federated or Mays out here, so maybe it is just the Midwest

stores,
of
course, we don't have Marshall Fields out here either.

Hot Topic is a Goth store, no leather in ours though, just

pleather
and
vinyl. They carry Dickies in there too, so we have bought them

when
they
are on the clearance racks. They do have a large variety of
band/music
t's,
by Sherry typically gets her music t's when she attends a

concert.
She
is a
huge music fan and goes to concerts/shows quite often. She is

even
working
her schooling towards going into the music business, hopefully
managing
bands, etc. She already does marketing and things with a local

band
here
in
town.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
If I remember correctly, Mervyn's is a division of Marshall

Fields
...
as
is
Target. Yup - just dug the newspaper article out of the

*library*
(hub
constantly
drags them into the potty - lol). Currently they are selling

off
the
Field's end
of the stores and *lower -end Mervyn's chain* (quoted from the
newspaper)
and
hoping Federated or May's will buy them out. We don't have the
Mervyn's
in my
area. I love Target, but stay far away from their clothing -

have
not
had
much
luck in the quality. I swear, every shirt I have ever

purchased
from
them
has
shrunk to half its size in the first washing and that was when

I
would
line dry my
clothing. But you can't beat their household items. Around

here
American
Eagle
is pretty non-trendy type items, much simpler styling by

standards,
less
glitz and
fuss which is why I think my daughter prefers it. Well, as

well
as
being
able to
walk in and find things small enough. g I hate the prices

though,
you
are only
paying for the name. The shoes are odd though. Around here

they
are
all
just
unisex - buy smaller size if you are a female because they are

sized
for
men ...
at least in the converse styles. I just ran into the same

thing
with
the
pair of
Adidas she bought from Journeys. They put the mens stuff in

smaller
sizes, in the
womens section. g But these are what are considered to be

*in
style*
with all
the kids. Hot Topic is considered more of a *goth* store in

our
area
...
tons of
black, leather and chain type attire. Daughter does wander in

on
rare
occassions,
but only buys t's - says they have great music/band t's.

My son found the Dickie's brand carried in PacSun when he was
shopping
for
work
clothes a few weeks ago, I also believe daughter bought a

sweatshirt
at
Anchor
Blue (which she doesn't like shopping at very often) - so
evidentally
has
become a
much more popular item with the kids again. We don't have any

work
type
stores
nearby, have to drive 45 minutes to the nearest one (Farm and

Fleet
...
which I
love). Probably because I am stuck in yuppie heaven (or hell,
depending
on how
you view things - lol). But Farm and Fleet is fantastic,

prices
are
great
and
always a fun place to go. Carhart seems to be the current

craze
(based
on
sonny
boy talking his dad into buying me a new jacket for Christmas).
That
also
might
be due to the weather we endure - you don't have much need for

the
heavier
duty/warmer clothing in your neck of the woods. G

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:10:52 -0800, "Deb in Northern

California"
wrote:

The American Eagle, Express, etc, are the stores she stays

away
from.
We
rarely step into K-Mart or Wal-Mart. I hate that they have

zero
customer
service. I typically shop Target instead for the things that
K-Mart
or
Wal-Mart carry. We have a store called Mervyn's here that

sells
the
jeans
she likes on sale for about $22 that is very reasonable. The
Dickies
that
she wears, are the men's, and they typically come from Work

World.
The
converse shoes are the basic black ones, nothing special about

it
and
they
did come from Journey's, but we had to special order them,

since
she
wears
the boys/men's styles rather than the girls styles. Of any

store
that
she
shops at that would be considered trendy it would be Hot

Topic.
But
then
again, those are just t's and a few other tops she buys in

there.
She
is
such a down to earth girl. Most of the stuff she wears, she
prefers
to
buy
in the men's/boys department and those are cheaper too.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds to me like your store is one of the much smaller

ones.
I
have 4
stores in
nearby towns - one is a very small store, one is extremely

large
...
other
two are
somewhere in between. The women's section in the one

nearest
me
is
quite
large
... well, larger than 3 racks but smaller than a specialty

shop.
g
I
do
admit
though, that I never cared for their selection of items in

the
larger
sizes ...
then again, I didn't care for the items in the specialized
women's
stores
either.
I'm very picky. G

Your non-trendy daughter would have no problem shopping in

the
Kohl's
store near
me ... they carry the lowrise levi's (carry tons of levi's)

and
dickie
sweats.
What's rather odd is that around here, Dickie's is

considered
a
more
trendy brand
as well as those high top converse's (daughter just looked

at
a
pair
at
Journeys
but took a pass on them) ... so maybe by CA standards she is

not
trendy,
yet IL
standards she is??? g I have found Kohl's to have the

best
prices
on
the levi
jeans ... again, when they are on sale. I don't recall ever
spending
more
than
$20/pair, which is cheaper than anywhere else (they usually

run
around
$30-$40
depending on style - low rise and stretch are at the top

price
end).
Now
my
youngest daughter will not buy clothing at Kohl's, she is

more
of
a
brand
snob in
my opinion ... American Eagle, Express, etc.

I also lean towards the very basic type stylings ... jeans,

t's,
polo's,
simple
sweaters - so is very easy to catch sales. I'm not into
*brands*,
the
house
brands are just fine by me. I picked up several polo's

during
last
years
clearance for $3/each - sweaters at the beginning of the

season
for
around
$12. I
can't touch those prices elsewhere (other than

K-mart/Wal-mart
which
fall
apart on
me after a few washings).

I guess it's just like everywhere else. You have to know

your
pricing
and
your
merchandise. I stay away from the high end designs.

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:23:24 -0800, "Deb in Northern

California"
wrote:

At this point, I am still in the larger sizes and their

larger
sized
women's
department had a lot to be desired, I think they had may 3

racks
total
of
larger size clothes, so most likely I will not be back

there
for
a
while.
The younger/junior sized things that my daughter could fit

in
to
she
would
not be caught dead in, she is so not into the fashion

trends.
Give
her a
pair of jeans (Levi's ultra-low rise with stretch size 5),a
T-shirt
and
her
Dickies hooded sweatshirt along with her high top Converse

shoes
and
she
is
a happy camper. She is so simple, and not trendy at all.

It
is
nice
to
shop for her and she is not a clothes horse either so that

is
nice
too.
On
the other hand her older sister (20 years old) loves to

shop
and
could
break
me, but since she has to spend her own money on clothes

now,
she
thinks
twice before buying something.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message

...
Give Kohls time to get going. Ours has the greatest

clearance
racks.
Stuff
70% off. Now affordable. I found a cute long dressy skirt
there
the
other
night for $5. It might be a tad too big by the time I

plan
to
wear
it
in
May
but it will be worth taking it in at the waist for the
luncheon.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote

in
message
news We had a Kohl's open in our town last week. This was

the
first
wave
of
stores to open in Nor Cal. I was very disappointed in

the
store
and
the
quality of merchandise and the prices were on the high

side
as
far
as
I
was
concerned. But that is just my observation of going

there
last
night
and
looking for a strapless bra for my youngest daughter.

$30+
for
a
bra
that
hold barely anything. She is a 34A.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Yup, definitely younger category ... you are the same

age
as
our
oldest
girl
(she'll be 30 in June). She also loves Gap, Banana
Republic,
Eddie
Bauer,
Express, etc. To me, the *normal* prices at all

these
stores
are
too
expensive.
Again, probably an age thing. What I think is

expensive,
she
thinks
is
reasonable. G I'm more of a Kohl's/Penney's type
shopper.
G

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:16:46 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

I'll be thirty this year, so I guess I qualify in

the
younger
category.
I'm
also all of 5 ft 3 in and my torso seems to be
proportioned--I
wouldn't
know
since it's been submerged under the weight for so

long.

It's certainly clearance time. We'll be going to

Banana
Republic
for
dh
soon...I have a feeling sweaters will be inexpensive
soon.
Last
year
we
got
him cashmere/silk blends for $7/ea.

Julie, who loves to get great bargains on clothing.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I did buy one pair of Gap jeans on clearance, was

a
great
deal
for
$10.
You will
get into that XL shirt. If you're younger, you
probably
don't
mind
those
shorter
styles anyway. My problem is that all my height

is
from
the
waist
up -
so
shirts
that are cut to hit at the waist normally, will

hit
me
even
higher
up.
Not a
pretty picture on this old lady. G I did find

some
terrific
buys
after
Christmas ... mens cotton sweaters, marked down to

$6.
These
were
cut
so
short, I
can't imagine any man wearing them. But they fit

me
perfectly,
and
are
just plain
unisex styling. Guess it's time once again to

check
out
the
clearance
racks. I
found out today that what few hooded sweatshirts I
have,
are
all
size
L
(mens) ...
much too big. This should be the right time to

pick
stuff
up
cheaply.

Joyce

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:44:48 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

No, but on clearance they are very attractive. I

have
a
shirt
from
the
Gap
that I bought specifically as a NSV clothing

shirt.
I
paid
$1.99
for
it.
I
do hope to get into it at some point, it's an XL.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message

.. .
I do have two pairs of jeans from the gap, but

they
don't
seem
to
fit
as
well as
these others I have found. They fit *ok* and

are
acceptable
...
except
for the
price. G Shirts at the Gap are definitely

made
for
younger
females,
those with
little to no chest factor. G Even my 105

pound
daughter
has
to
take
a
medium
there. They seem to be cut small and short ...

not
good
options
for
women
with
longer body lengths.

Joyce

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:01:04 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Have you been to the Gap? I know they are

more
expensive,
but
if
they
fit
right....

"Joyce" wrote in message

.. .
I tend to have the same thing, hard to stay
focused
100%
of
the
time
when
everyone
is fussing over us. I find I kind of relax

just
a
little
too
much.
G
But,
that's ok too - sometimes you just have to

relax,
as
long
as
we
don't
make
it a
forever thing.

I have a tough time with jeans too, had

someone
the
other
day
tell
me
to
try the
junior sizing (yeah, right, sure - not gonna
happen
unless
I
want
to
totally
humiliate myself). Relaxed fit is too big

in
the
legs,
hips
and
thighs -
look
like clown pants on me. I have a pair of
carpenter
pants
on
today,
size 6
and
very baggy. I could take a 4 in these and
probably
still
have
a
bit
of
room to
spare - they don't come in 4's. In lower

rise
jeans
I
seem
to
need
a
smaller size
than in regular cut higher waist - the waist

is
too
snug
for
my
liking
and
I do
like to be able to breath. I haven't tried

the
Gloria
Vanderbilt
jeans,
always
made the assumption that those *designer*

names
wouldn't
work
for
me -
maybe I
will give them a try as I saw some cute

capri's
in a
sales
ad
this
week.
I found
a new one that does fit me well though, only

ones
in
the
Lee
brand
that
aren't
baggy in the legs ... they have a *one true

fit*
or
something
like
that -
fits me
very nicely ... everywhere. Same with the

Levi
Nouveau
but I
forget
which
number
(why do they assign the styles numbers???).

The
levi's
have
a
little
stretch to
them, great in the waist but tend to get a

tad
baggy
in
the
seat
after
a
few
hours. Oh well, I like the baggy better

than
the
constant
snug
I
used
to
deal
with. g Shirts are an entirely different

story
with
me -
range
anywhere
from a
small to a large, depending on the store and
brand.
I
have
no
cl
ue.

Joyce

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:13:37 -0600, Prairie

Roots

wrote:

Thanks Joyce. I got a lot of compliments

and
attention
at
work
this
week regarding my weight loss, people

saying
things
about
how
confident I appear, that I have a more

positive
attitude,
and
just
plain look great. I think my head got a

little
puffed
up
from
all
the
compliments and that's what started all the
other
crazy
thinking.

It's hard to find jeans that fit me. The
ubiquitous
relaxed
fit
jeans
don't work for me; I carry my weight in my
tummy,
not
my
hips
and
thighs. Of all the brands I've tried,

Gloria
Vanderbilt
classic
fit
jeans fit me best. I too like a little

stretch
in
my
jeans,
makes
bending over not just a breathtaking

experience.
LOL
But
couldn't
find
any this shopping trip and the non-stretch

jeans
don't
cut
off
my
oxygen supply.

Thanks again for your encouragement.

Linda P

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:58:12 -0600, Joyce

wrote:

Hey, taking a week of following the

program
and
maintaining
is
fantastic! Call it
practice for the future, you've proved to
yourself
that
it
can
be
done.
Congrats
on holding firm this week.

Wish I could help you with the sink

decision
...
my
decisions
are
always
to go on
the cheap side of things. G I think

both
times
we've
replaced
the
sink, we
ended up at Builders Square (or similar

home
improvement
store)
and
looking at
their discards (something that someone

else
ordered
and
couldn't/wouldn't use for
one reason or another). Many times they

may
have
had
a
little
chip
or
scratch in
the underside - nothing noticeable or
functionable -
but
always
at
a
great
reduction and usable. Might be something

to
think
about
or
look
into.

What a great NSV, fitting easily into

those
size
10
jeans,
smaller
tops
and much
smaller undergarments. I love the

clothing
victories
(yet
still
hate
to
shop).
Where did you ever find jeans without

stretch
though?
I
swear
that
seems to be
all that is being made these days! BUT

....
don't
write
them
off
dear.
They are
wonderfully comfortable, and I've found

rather
flattering.
They
hug
ya
in all
those places we didn't use to like being
hugged.
G

Fight back with those other personalities

of
yours
that
are
currently
letting
themselves be heard. Do not let them put

a
damper
on
your
motivation
or
spirit.
You know why you should go further, just

have
to
make
sure
you
are
louder than
those other voices. C'mon Linda (wow, was

THAT
hard
for
me
to
say),
you
can do
it!

Joyce



On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:54:10 -0600,

Prairie
Roots

wrote:

My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded

weight:
0.0
lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my
weight
from
last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week.

Hitting
the
70+
total
loss
and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my
motivation
to
keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some

part
of
me
I
haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should

even
further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim,

I
tried
on
a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and
discovered
that
it
fit.
I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got

into
a
classic
fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also

discovered
that
the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over

to
the
foundations
department for new undergarments and give

my
girls a
new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to

38D.

My food was off this week. More

importantly, I
didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with

the
impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current

dilemma
is
deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my
construction
budget
I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my
bike.
Later
today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get

cranky.
The
bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than

usual
and
getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient

whose
health
issues.
A
major
project I've been involved with at work

is
nearing
completion
and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit

of
a
breather
from
WW
this
week to marvel at my overall progress and

to
focus
on a
few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up

maintaining
is a
wonder.

It's the best day of my life!

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003
























  #136  
Old March 20th, 2004, 03:39 PM
Fred
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Default RAFL week 9 - Prairie Roots

I can see where some of this would be handy and have no doubt that in
a few years it will be standard but I'm not ready to spring for any of
it at the moment.

Remember, that my stainless steel does not hold magnets so that is not
the issue (G)

I only get ice when I'm camping or making ice cream (G)

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 02:09:55 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I saw some similar show a few months ago, was fun to watch. This one went as far
as having some kind of computerized recipe base built into the kitchen countertop
... talk to it and recipes would pop up, directly into the countertop ... like
there was some kind of monitor built right into it.

I never thought about keeping the fridge computer clean, good point! The keypads
on the microwave are a pet peeve of mine, I'm constantly cleaning them. And where
would all my fridge magnets and notes all get moved to?

I can't drink room temp soda, that is the only thing that must have ice ... and
lots of it. I am a *more ice than soda* type person, on that rare occassion that
I have a soda. Water is straight from the tap, no ice necessary. The kids and
hub go through massive amounts of ice though. Not sure why it became MY job to
have to fill those trays. Probably because they left them empty until I wanted
some. G

Joyce

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:41:27 -0800, Fred wrote:

Yesterday they showed a series of appliances that were computerized.
A microwave that read bar codes and knew how to cook things and a
breadmaker that was hooked to a computer. And some other linked
stuff.

I have enough trouble keeping the keypad on the new oven clean -
forget a computer keyboard attached to a fridge! I don't do ice in
most drink. I drink soda straight from the cabinet at room
temperature. Same with fizzy bottled water. So ice is not a
necessity. My ice trays would evaporate anyway before being used.

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:46:50 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Nah, sleeping bag is a necessity for you, not a toy. Unless of course, you plan
on spending every evening in front of your fireplace, curled inside said sleeping
bag. G I'd love to have a fireplace, but as hard as we tried to find somewhere
to put one ... we just couldn't come up with a good spot. So ... no crackling
fires for me.

I have to have an icemaker, won't bend on that issue. No one else in the house
can empty trays into a bin, or refill them when they take the last cube (much like
lightbulbs burning out - I seem to be the only one who notices ... or changing
toilet paper rolls). I was plain tired of the rare occassions I wanted a soda or
tea and not having any ice available. Problem was easily solved by having an
icemaker in the fridge when we replaced it. No water dispensers or any other
gadgets though - I don't need them. But you have to admit ... a computer right on
the fridge door IS pretty neat. G I wonder if it's wireless. LOL

joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:14:08 -0800, Fred wrote:

Oh, when a choice of TOYS or other things, TOYS wins hands down. I
can't decide if a new sleeping bag is a toy or what (G)

Gas is the only way. (sitting by the gas fireplace just before
cooking dinner on gas)

I don't even have an ice maker and remove the cube tray entirely from
my fridge.

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:58:56 -0600, Joyce wrote:

That really is true. My daughter wants us to get a new fridge, and I have a
feeling we aren't too far off. Our *new* one is about 13 years old, one of the
brackets the door swings on has broken - but it still cools wonderfully and makes
ice ... so I'm not biting. Of course, she wants one of the new ones with the
computer right on the door. I have no idea why, other than she thinks it looks
neat. Probably so she can keep up her instant messaging while gazing endlessly at
the interior of the fridge (her current habit).

Ya know, I was raised on electric cooking - my mom loved it. When I got married,
I had a heck of a time adjusting to the gas and swore that at the first
opportunity I would replace with an electric range. Now I am so used to the gas I
would not consider changing. I think it's so much easier to control the heat, and
the burners cool much quicker when turned off. Other than the option of a totally
flat surface (we've talked about that before), nothing is going to get me to
switch.

I'd still rather buy toys. G

Joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:34:38 -0800, Fred wrote:

Well, for justification, I was told new refrigerators are much more
efficient than anything sold 10 or more years ago. Cooking with gas
is just entirely different than electricity that I cannot believe that
I waited so many years to return to it.

Just one man's INVALUABLE opinion (G)

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:25:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm the same way, can't justify replacing something that is still working ... no
matter how outdated it is or how bad I really would like a more current model.
Well, except for my computers. Those I have no trouble replacing early. G
Guess we all have our priorites. G

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:13:56 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

Hey, My kitchen stuff is still green, I want to replace it and need to but
can't while it is still working. Dish washer just got replaced after three
years with out one. DH offered to buy me a new one but I couldn't justify
it,so when he ran across one for $138.00 I was OK with that, the
refrigerator, sink and stove are still A G, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
news:44i450175na943pi8s3ho4n7ja4ir9jgsk@4a x.com...
LOL! And I had to fight the avacado greens ... stove, fridge, double oven
AND
dishwasher (guess it blended in with the orange shag carpeting and gold
drapes).
I was so dang glad to get rid of that stuff. Now all my *stuff* is white
or black
- nice and neutral, easy to work around.

Joyce

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:55:26 -0800, Fred
wrote:

I made some comments about "vogue" when looking at stainless and was
reminded of COPPERTONE - now, there was a blast from the past!

For years, this place had an almond fridge (mine from a prior house),
a harvest gold, rollaway dishwasher (I inherited at the prior house)
and a white stove (this house). Oh, yes, the sink was stainless. Now
the sink ain't but everything else is! (G)

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:58:07 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I think it's just another one of those *personal taste* things. Why did
the woman
who lived in THIS house before me, prefer dark panelled walls, white
carpet (ah,
and orange in a few rooms) and draperies that ran wall to wall (to cover
up 40"
windows)? That's why there are so many different products on the
market - each of
us have different tastes.

Me? Add me to the *don't like, won't have* stainless steel group. I've
had it,
found it a pain to keep clean and nice looking, it always looked
scratched and
nicked up. The only way to remove finger prints, water spots and
streaking was to
constantly be wiping down with vinegar. I am not a constant type of
cleaner. G

I love the ceramic, is so much easier (for me anyway). What you think
are
scratches and stains, come out with elbow grease and ajax/comet scouring
powder.
Any residual coffee staining, fill sink with water and bleach solution
and let
soak for 30 minutes or so ... rinse and back to bright white. After 16
years,
mine still is looking grand.

Then again, it might be one of those age issues. Styles tend to go in
circles,
and I notice stainless is very vogue once again.

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:03:10 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

Forgive me, but why in the world do your friends not care for
stainless?

Julie, who can't fathom that idea.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Thanks Lee. My sink choices are quickly narrowing to stainless steel.
I've been listening to a couple of friends who don't care for
stainless, but I have SS now and don't seem to mind the problems
they've listed. I'll be buying a new gas range/stovetop and
dishwasher, too, and am considering stainless steel finish.

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:27:49 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I am glad to see your attitude is so wonderful. Get stainless steel
whatever configuration you get on the sink, I love stainless steel,
Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0 lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight from last week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the 70+ total loss and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation to keep going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me I haven't heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried on a jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered that it fit. I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a classic fit size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered that the medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the foundations
department for new undergarments and give my girls a new lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I didn't exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the impending construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is deciding what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my construction budget I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike. Later today I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The bus strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual and getting home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose health issues. A
major
project I've been involved with at work is nearing completion and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a breather from WW this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to focus on a few other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a wonder.

It's the best day of my life!
--
Linda P
week 54: 232/159.6/WW goal 145
RAFL week 9: 167/159.6/154
next mini-goals: 157 (75 lbs total loss); 155 (10 lbs to WW goal);
154
( RAFL goal)
started WW 22-Feb-2003 | 10% target: 1-May-2003
5'4" | 50 | F




Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003




  #137  
Old March 21st, 2004, 12:36 AM
Deb in Northern California
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Default RAFL week 9 - Prairie Roots

I agree, the events have gotten totally out of hand. The school district
has actually gotten involved in moving things back, so the 8th grade
promotion is very small now, nothing like it was with a full fledged
"graduation". Our prom is just that, prom only. The kids tried to do a
lock-down this year, but could not get enough parents involved to chaperone
and since the school is so small, the staff is small too, so they did not
have the schools support either. So they just had a hang out night last
night, I found it terribly boring and was ready to pack it all in at about
9pm. Actually one of the other moms and myself started cleaning up, so we
could be out of there at a reasonable time after the event was supposed to
end at 11pm. I actually left at 10pm as the other mom said she could handle
the clean up. We actually rent out the local home owners community center,
so we are responsible for having the facility clean when we leave.

The only picnic our kids have is for the seniors after graduation practice
on the last day of school. Nice and easy in the park. I would never go for
the hotel thing after prom, it opens too many problems for kids getting into
trouble.

The size of the high school my kids were supposed to go to is about 2500
students, but they opted to go to the smaller more college focused high
school. They have one friend that will be graduating from high school this
year and at the same time will be receiving to Associate Degrees from the
college at the same time. Then she is going on to the University to go into
the pharmacy program.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Our local high school isn't quite as samll as yours, but small for this

area ...
student body of about 1300. Probably only a small fraction of those

attend the
dances. Prom has never been held in the school, which is a shame as they

do have
plenty of room available. It always has been a fancy hotel or banquet

facility -
which comes with a rather large price tag. Then after the prom they move

the
festivities to the riverboat, which is probably the same as yours ...

except on
Lake Michigan. G After THAT, some kids insist on staying in hotel rooms

.... or
they have a lock down elsewhere to continue the festivities even longer.

It has
become a total evening affair. sigh At my sons highschool (student body

of 600)
it ended up being an entire week-end affair. Prom was on Thursday, picnic

on
friday, follow-up dinner friday night, and then some week-end lockdown at

the
school for saturday and sunday. It became totally ridiculous and

incredibly
expensive. And the lake michigan cruise didn't hold much interest to any

of the
kids, as this has now become the celebration routine for graduating 8th

graders!

I have no idea where things have become so out of control. I guess it

isn't much
different than kids birthday parties. Gone are the days you and I saw, of

home
parties with a few kids, few games, cake/ice cream and call it a day. Now

they
have to be (at least in my area) at restaurants or party centers, every

classmate
has to be invited, you have to give gift bags to each child that attends,

and
each party seems to have to outdo the previous childs. Needless to say,

my
children missed out on that part of their lives as I didn't bite into the

going
rage around here. I refuse to compete with anyone. Their *parties*

included a
very few friends that I could manage on my own, in my own home.

Joyce

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:50:48 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

This year it is $65/couple and they are complaining that they raised the
price. Last year it was $60/couple. Sherry's dress last year was a
whopping $12.00 (yes twelve dollars), we found it at Ross Dress for Less

and
it was on clearance besides. She is lucky in that she is so tiny, just
about anything would look cute on her. She ended up splitting the ticket
with the young man she went with, so I think the whole night was less

than
$100 including taking photos and even though she went to dinner, she did

not
want to eat, so no expense there either. I was the limo driver, as I was

a
chaperone for the dance. Because her high school is only about 200
students, they open it up to all students, so that they can actually have

a
prom. The past two years they have had it on the riverboat
http://www.spiritofsacramento.com/fleet/mckinley.htm it was nice and
contained so chaperoning was easy, as there was no getting on and off the
boat. I will say though, for early May it was darned cold at night on

the
river, it was breezy and in the 50s, so it was chilly for here. This

year
they are holding it at a hall in the next town. This senior class wanted
something that no other class had ever done since this is the first class

to
graduate that have been there their entire high school career. The

school
only opened 4 years ago.

Sherry's dress this year was $50, but like I said her dad and step mom
bought it and I got her shoes on clearance for $15 and they match

perfectly.
She has a red dress and these are red shoes. She is riding in a limo

this
year, but someone else is renting it and asked her to go along with them.

I
most likely will be chaperoning again, but I will drive my own car to the
hall this time. The thing is the boy that she went with last year and is
going with this year, that is the only times, they have been out

together.
His parents have a strange philosophy with dating outside your religion

and
well Sherry is not his religion. So he just hides the fact that Sherry

and
him have been a "couple" for a year now.

Debbie




"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
One is too old for prom. He avoided it like the plague in highschool

and
has no
intention of participating now. He is one of those *dances are not for

me* type
guys ... tried it once, drove him nuts. LOL My daughter has talked

about
going,
but also really has little interest. It is so darned expensive around

here, maybe
it's the same in all areas. Tickets run over $100/couple, attire is

similar
priced if not higher ... then there is the after prom activity, dinner,

and day
after. And of course you can't drive, you MUST hire a limo to cart you

around. I
swear it's like a dang wedding. Daughter was going to go with her best

friend (he
is openly gay, a really sweet kid) but now they are thinking of waiting

until
their senior year. I don't push, I was the same way - hated the

dances,
it just
wasn't *me*. My group used to skip the expense and hassle of the dance

itself,
and just hit the picnic the next day. We survived, we were happy,

didn't
feel
like we missed out on anything.

Joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:16:37 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

I dunno Joyce, it's prom season around the corner? You *do* have

teens...

I love knowing who is owned by which company, etc. It's my hobby.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Well, I don't think I have any urgent need for formalwear or bridal
apparel. G
It appears we only have the higher end stores in our area then, I'm
assuming they
must also have lower end retail stores? I'm thinking there may be a
bloomingdales
in Oakbrook .. or maybe it was just talk of one at some time - don't
remember.
Lord and Taylor's is in Fox Valley. None of them hold any interest

for
me, too
uppity. G

Thanks for the info. I do find it very interesting, who owns what.

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:13:00 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Joyce,

I just did a search on the May's and Federated. Lord & Taylor's is

a
May's
dept store as was Filene's Basement while here. They also recently
bought
Gingiss formalwear and own David's Bridal.

Macy's is Federated as is Bloomingdale's and I believe there is a
Bloomie's
in the city.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
LOL! And you not dealing with a sweatshirt is when the temps are

what
...
low
60's? Today it was about 45, heat wave in my mind. Running

around
in
shirtsleeves like it was mid summer. G

I think the only reason our paper carried the story of the stores
selling
is
because Marshall Field's has been a long time chicago store.

Selling
it
off is
another landmark disappearing. My understanding is that they

will
only
be
keeping
the Target chain, the rest will be dissolved or sold. No

Federated
or
May's here
either, will be interesting to see if this means that both of us

will
see
these
chains appear in the future? Or will we only have Target left?

Ok, maybe the stuff at Hot Topic is the pleather and vinyl and

not
leather
.. I
tend to just lump it all in the same category. G Not something

any
of
the
family members go for, so we don't give it a second look and do

not
check
out the
tags. LOL Cass doesn't buy too much at the concerts, finds the

items
way
too
expensive and standing in line a pain in the neck. My son just

went
to
a
concert
a few weeks ago, had asked if I wanted a t'shirt (he is into

country
like
his mama
... I taught the boy well). I found the tour t'shirt at a flea

market,
for $3 -
so much cheaper than what was offered at the concert ... and it

was
the
current
one!

What a neat career for you daughter to get into. Cassie is

leaing
in a
few
directions at the moment - all media based but I think more in

the
journalism end.
She has thought about marketing for radio/music, then swings into
photographic
journalism, then thought she would really enjoy getting into

music
based
magazine
stuff. Next week will be her first visit to a college, which I

am a
bit
fearful
on prices since it is one of the artsy type chicago schools. But

it
comes
with a
fantastic reputation and one of the best journalism programs

around.
So
we'll
see.

Joyce

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:01:37 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

You are so right about the warmer clothes, I think I have had my

heavy
wool
coat on maybe six times all winter. Normally a sweatshirt will

do
unless
it
is pouring down rain, and then you need the umbrella,but most

times, I
don't
even bother with a jacket or umbrella, as I can't be bothered

with
them
and
don't mind the little bit of rain I get on me in the process. I
typically
just don't go out when it is really bad weather (that is for

here
at
least).

Yes, Mervyns, Marshall Fields and Target are all owned by the

same
company.
Had not heard about them selling off any of the stores. We

don't
have
Federated or Mays out here, so maybe it is just the Midwest

stores,
of
course, we don't have Marshall Fields out here either.

Hot Topic is a Goth store, no leather in ours though, just

pleather
and
vinyl. They carry Dickies in there too, so we have bought them

when
they
are on the clearance racks. They do have a large variety of
band/music
t's,
by Sherry typically gets her music t's when she attends a

concert.
She
is a
huge music fan and goes to concerts/shows quite often. She is

even
working
her schooling towards going into the music business, hopefully
managing
bands, etc. She already does marketing and things with a local

band
here
in
town.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
If I remember correctly, Mervyn's is a division of Marshall

Fields
...
as
is
Target. Yup - just dug the newspaper article out of the

*library*
(hub
constantly
drags them into the potty - lol). Currently they are selling

off
the
Field's end
of the stores and *lower -end Mervyn's chain* (quoted from the
newspaper)
and
hoping Federated or May's will buy them out. We don't have

the
Mervyn's
in my
area. I love Target, but stay far away from their clothing -

have
not
had
much
luck in the quality. I swear, every shirt I have ever

purchased
from
them
has
shrunk to half its size in the first washing and that was when

I
would
line dry my
clothing. But you can't beat their household items. Around

here
American
Eagle
is pretty non-trendy type items, much simpler styling by

standards,
less
glitz and
fuss which is why I think my daughter prefers it. Well, as

well
as
being
able to
walk in and find things small enough. g I hate the prices

though,
you
are only
paying for the name. The shoes are odd though. Around here

they
are
all
just
unisex - buy smaller size if you are a female because they are

sized
for
men ...
at least in the converse styles. I just ran into the same

thing
with
the
pair of
Adidas she bought from Journeys. They put the mens stuff in

smaller
sizes, in the
womens section. g But these are what are considered to be

*in
style*
with all
the kids. Hot Topic is considered more of a *goth* store in

our
area
...
tons of
black, leather and chain type attire. Daughter does wander in

on
rare
occassions,
but only buys t's - says they have great music/band t's.

My son found the Dickie's brand carried in PacSun when he was
shopping
for
work
clothes a few weeks ago, I also believe daughter bought a

sweatshirt
at
Anchor
Blue (which she doesn't like shopping at very often) - so
evidentally
has
become a
much more popular item with the kids again. We don't have any

work
type
stores
nearby, have to drive 45 minutes to the nearest one (Farm and

Fleet
...
which I
love). Probably because I am stuck in yuppie heaven (or hell,
depending
on how
you view things - lol). But Farm and Fleet is fantastic,

prices
are
great
and
always a fun place to go. Carhart seems to be the current

craze
(based
on
sonny
boy talking his dad into buying me a new jacket for

Christmas).
That
also
might
be due to the weather we endure - you don't have much need for

the
heavier
duty/warmer clothing in your neck of the woods. G

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:10:52 -0800, "Deb in Northern

California"
wrote:

The American Eagle, Express, etc, are the stores she stays

away
from.
We
rarely step into K-Mart or Wal-Mart. I hate that they have

zero
customer
service. I typically shop Target instead for the things that
K-Mart
or
Wal-Mart carry. We have a store called Mervyn's here that

sells
the
jeans
she likes on sale for about $22 that is very reasonable. The
Dickies
that
she wears, are the men's, and they typically come from Work

World.
The
converse shoes are the basic black ones, nothing special

about
it
and
they
did come from Journey's, but we had to special order them,

since
she
wears
the boys/men's styles rather than the girls styles. Of any

store
that
she
shops at that would be considered trendy it would be Hot

Topic.
But
then
again, those are just t's and a few other tops she buys in

there.
She
is
such a down to earth girl. Most of the stuff she wears, she
prefers
to
buy
in the men's/boys department and those are cheaper too.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds to me like your store is one of the much smaller

ones.
I
have 4
stores in
nearby towns - one is a very small store, one is extremely

large
...
other
two are
somewhere in between. The women's section in the one

nearest
me
is
quite
large
... well, larger than 3 racks but smaller than a specialty

shop.
g
I
do
admit
though, that I never cared for their selection of items in

the
larger
sizes ...
then again, I didn't care for the items in the specialized
women's
stores
either.
I'm very picky. G

Your non-trendy daughter would have no problem shopping in

the
Kohl's
store near
me ... they carry the lowrise levi's (carry tons of levi's)

and
dickie
sweats.
What's rather odd is that around here, Dickie's is

considered
a
more
trendy brand
as well as those high top converse's (daughter just looked

at
a
pair
at
Journeys
but took a pass on them) ... so maybe by CA standards she

is
not
trendy,
yet IL
standards she is??? g I have found Kohl's to have the

best
prices
on
the levi
jeans ... again, when they are on sale. I don't recall

ever
spending
more
than
$20/pair, which is cheaper than anywhere else (they usually

run
around
$30-$40
depending on style - low rise and stretch are at the top

price
end).
Now
my
youngest daughter will not buy clothing at Kohl's, she is

more
of
a
brand
snob in
my opinion ... American Eagle, Express, etc.

I also lean towards the very basic type stylings ... jeans,

t's,
polo's,
simple
sweaters - so is very easy to catch sales. I'm not into
*brands*,
the
house
brands are just fine by me. I picked up several polo's

during
last
years
clearance for $3/each - sweaters at the beginning of the

season
for
around
$12. I
can't touch those prices elsewhere (other than

K-mart/Wal-mart
which
fall
apart on
me after a few washings).

I guess it's just like everywhere else. You have to know

your
pricing
and
your
merchandise. I stay away from the high end designs.

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:23:24 -0800, "Deb in Northern

California"
wrote:

At this point, I am still in the larger sizes and their

larger
sized
women's
department had a lot to be desired, I think they had may 3

racks
total
of
larger size clothes, so most likely I will not be back

there
for
a
while.
The younger/junior sized things that my daughter could fit

in
to
she
would
not be caught dead in, she is so not into the fashion

trends.
Give
her a
pair of jeans (Levi's ultra-low rise with stretch size

5),a
T-shirt
and
her
Dickies hooded sweatshirt along with her high top Converse

shoes
and
she
is
a happy camper. She is so simple, and not trendy at all.

It
is
nice
to
shop for her and she is not a clothes horse either so that

is
nice
too.
On
the other hand her older sister (20 years old) loves to

shop
and
could
break
me, but since she has to spend her own money on clothes

now,
she
thinks
twice before buying something.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message

...
Give Kohls time to get going. Ours has the greatest

clearance
racks.
Stuff
70% off. Now affordable. I found a cute long dressy

skirt
there
the
other
night for $5. It might be a tad too big by the time I

plan
to
wear
it
in
May
but it will be worth taking it in at the waist for the
luncheon.

"Deb in Northern California"

wrote
in
message
news We had a Kohl's open in our town last week. This was

the
first
wave
of
stores to open in Nor Cal. I was very disappointed in

the
store
and
the
quality of merchandise and the prices were on the high

side
as
far
as
I
was
concerned. But that is just my observation of going

there
last
night
and
looking for a strapless bra for my youngest daughter.

$30+
for
a
bra
that
hold barely anything. She is a 34A.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Yup, definitely younger category ... you are the

same
age
as
our
oldest
girl
(she'll be 30 in June). She also loves Gap, Banana
Republic,
Eddie
Bauer,
Express, etc. To me, the *normal* prices at all

these
stores
are
too
expensive.
Again, probably an age thing. What I think is

expensive,
she
thinks
is
reasonable. G I'm more of a Kohl's/Penney's type
shopper.
G

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:16:46 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

I'll be thirty this year, so I guess I qualify in

the
younger
category.
I'm
also all of 5 ft 3 in and my torso seems to be
proportioned--I
wouldn't
know
since it's been submerged under the weight for so

long.

It's certainly clearance time. We'll be going to

Banana
Republic
for
dh
soon...I have a feeling sweaters will be

inexpensive
soon.
Last
year
we
got
him cashmere/silk blends for $7/ea.

Julie, who loves to get great bargains on clothing.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I did buy one pair of Gap jeans on clearance, was

a
great
deal
for
$10.
You will
get into that XL shirt. If you're younger, you
probably
don't
mind
those
shorter
styles anyway. My problem is that all my height

is
from
the
waist
up -
so
shirts
that are cut to hit at the waist normally, will

hit
me
even
higher
up.
Not a
pretty picture on this old lady. G I did find

some
terrific
buys
after
Christmas ... mens cotton sweaters, marked down

to
$6.
These
were
cut
so
short, I
can't imagine any man wearing them. But they fit

me
perfectly,
and
are
just plain
unisex styling. Guess it's time once again to

check
out
the
clearance
racks. I
found out today that what few hooded sweatshirts

I
have,
are
all
size
L
(mens) ...
much too big. This should be the right time to

pick
stuff
up
cheaply.

Joyce

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:44:48 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

No, but on clearance they are very attractive.

I
have
a
shirt
from
the
Gap
that I bought specifically as a NSV clothing

shirt.
I
paid
$1.99
for
it.
I
do hope to get into it at some point, it's an

XL.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message

.. .
I do have two pairs of jeans from the gap, but

they
don't
seem
to
fit
as
well as
these others I have found. They fit *ok* and

are
acceptable
...
except
for the
price. G Shirts at the Gap are definitely

made
for
younger
females,
those with
little to no chest factor. G Even my 105

pound
daughter
has
to
take
a
medium
there. They seem to be cut small and short

....
not
good
options
for
women
with
longer body lengths.

Joyce

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:01:04 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Have you been to the Gap? I know they are

more
expensive,
but
if
they
fit
right....

"Joyce" wrote in message

. ..
I tend to have the same thing, hard to stay
focused
100%
of
the
time
when
everyone
is fussing over us. I find I kind of relax

just
a
little
too
much.
G
But,
that's ok too - sometimes you just have to

relax,
as
long
as
we
don't
make
it a
forever thing.

I have a tough time with jeans too, had

someone
the
other
day
tell
me
to
try the
junior sizing (yeah, right, sure - not

gonna
happen
unless
I
want
to
totally
humiliate myself). Relaxed fit is too big

in
the
legs,
hips
and
thighs -
look
like clown pants on me. I have a pair of
carpenter
pants
on
today,
size 6
and
very baggy. I could take a 4 in these and
probably
still
have
a
bit
of
room to
spare - they don't come in 4's. In lower

rise
jeans
I
seem
to
need
a
smaller size
than in regular cut higher waist - the

waist
is
too
snug
for
my
liking
and
I do
like to be able to breath. I haven't tried

the
Gloria
Vanderbilt
jeans,
always
made the assumption that those *designer*

names
wouldn't
work
for
me -
maybe I
will give them a try as I saw some cute

capri's
in a
sales
ad
this
week.
I found
a new one that does fit me well though,

only
ones
in
the
Lee
brand
that
aren't
baggy in the legs ... they have a *one true

fit*
or
something
like
that -
fits me
very nicely ... everywhere. Same with the

Levi
Nouveau
but I
forget
which
number
(why do they assign the styles numbers???).

The
levi's
have
a
little
stretch to
them, great in the waist but tend to get a

tad
baggy
in
the
seat
after
a
few
hours. Oh well, I like the baggy better

than
the
constant
snug
I
used
to
deal
with. g Shirts are an entirely different

story
with
me -
range
anywhere
from a
small to a large, depending on the store

and
brand.
I
have
no
cl
ue.

Joyce

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:13:37 -0600, Prairie

Roots

wrote:

Thanks Joyce. I got a lot of compliments

and
attention
at
work
this
week regarding my weight loss, people

saying
things
about
how
confident I appear, that I have a more

positive
attitude,
and
just
plain look great. I think my head got a

little
puffed
up
from
all
the
compliments and that's what started all

the
other
crazy
thinking.

It's hard to find jeans that fit me. The
ubiquitous
relaxed
fit
jeans
don't work for me; I carry my weight in my
tummy,
not
my
hips
and
thighs. Of all the brands I've tried,

Gloria
Vanderbilt
classic
fit
jeans fit me best. I too like a little

stretch
in
my
jeans,
makes
bending over not just a breathtaking

experience.
LOL
But
couldn't
find
any this shopping trip and the non-stretch

jeans
don't
cut
off
my
oxygen supply.

Thanks again for your encouragement.

Linda P

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:58:12 -0600, Joyce

wrote:

Hey, taking a week of following the

program
and
maintaining
is
fantastic! Call it
practice for the future, you've proved to
yourself
that
it
can
be
done.
Congrats
on holding firm this week.

Wish I could help you with the sink

decision
...
my
decisions
are
always
to go on
the cheap side of things. G I think

both
times
we've
replaced
the
sink, we
ended up at Builders Square (or similar

home
improvement
store)
and
looking at
their discards (something that someone

else
ordered
and
couldn't/wouldn't use for
one reason or another). Many times they

may
have
had
a
little
chip
or
scratch in
the underside - nothing noticeable or
functionable -
but
always
at
a
great
reduction and usable. Might be something

to
think
about
or
look
into.

What a great NSV, fitting easily into

those
size
10
jeans,
smaller
tops
and much
smaller undergarments. I love the

clothing
victories
(yet
still
hate
to
shop).
Where did you ever find jeans without

stretch
though?
I
swear
that
seems to be
all that is being made these days! BUT

....
don't
write
them
off
dear.
They are
wonderfully comfortable, and I've found

rather
flattering.
They
hug
ya
in all
those places we didn't use to like being
hugged.
G

Fight back with those other personalities

of
yours
that
are
currently
letting
themselves be heard. Do not let them put

a
damper
on
your
motivation
or
spirit.
You know why you should go further, just

have
to
make
sure
you
are
louder than
those other voices. C'mon Linda (wow,

was
THAT
hard
for
me
to
say),
you
can do
it!

Joyce



On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:54:10 -0600,

Prairie
Roots

wrote:

My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded

weight:
0.0
lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in

my
weight
from
last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week.

Hitting
the
70+
total
loss
and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my
motivation
to
keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some

part
of
me
I
haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should

even
further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim,

I
tried
on
a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and
discovered
that
it
fit.
I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got

into
a
classic
fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also

discovered
that
the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head

over
to
the
foundations
department for new undergarments and

give
my
girls a
new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to

38D.

My food was off this week. More

importantly, I
didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with

the
impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current

dilemma
is
deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of

my
construction
budget
I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten

my
bike.
Later
today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get

cranky.
The
bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than

usual
and
getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient

whose
health
issues.
A
major
project I've been involved with at work

is
nearing
completion
and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit

of
a
breather
from
WW
this
week to marvel at my overall progress

and
to
focus
on a
few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up

maintaining
is a
wonder.

It's the best day of my life!

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003
























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Old March 21st, 2004, 12:42 AM
Deb in Northern California
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Default RAFL week 9 - Prairie Roots

Yes it is. She came home last night from school with a gorgeous bouquet of
a dozen long stemmed roses. It was their one year of "going together" even
though they have only been on one date and that was prom last year. I asked
her how he got those and asked if his mom knew about her and the
significance of the day. She said no, that his friend took him out
yesterday morning and he got the roses and a box of candy for her then, so
his mom would still not know.

It was so sweet of him to buy her flowers, and since I was chaperoning a
school function last night and saw the kid that took him to the store to buy
everything, I told him thanks for doing that for Matt as it was so sweet of
him.

Debbie

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
that religion thing can make it rough, Lee
Deb in Northern California wrote in message
...
This year it is $65/couple and they are complaining that they raised the
price. Last year it was $60/couple. Sherry's dress last year was a
whopping $12.00 (yes twelve dollars), we found it at Ross Dress for Less

and
it was on clearance besides. She is lucky in that she is so tiny, just
about anything would look cute on her. She ended up splitting the

ticket
with the young man she went with, so I think the whole night was less

than
$100 including taking photos and even though she went to dinner, she did

not
want to eat, so no expense there either. I was the limo driver, as I

was
a
chaperone for the dance. Because her high school is only about 200
students, they open it up to all students, so that they can actually

have
a
prom. The past two years they have had it on the riverboat
http://www.spiritofsacramento.com/fleet/mckinley.htm it was nice and
contained so chaperoning was easy, as there was no getting on and off

the
boat. I will say though, for early May it was darned cold at night on

the
river, it was breezy and in the 50s, so it was chilly for here. This

year
they are holding it at a hall in the next town. This senior class

wanted
something that no other class had ever done since this is the first

class
to
graduate that have been there their entire high school career. The

school
only opened 4 years ago.

Sherry's dress this year was $50, but like I said her dad and step mom
bought it and I got her shoes on clearance for $15 and they match

perfectly.
She has a red dress and these are red shoes. She is riding in a limo

this
year, but someone else is renting it and asked her to go along with

them.
I
most likely will be chaperoning again, but I will drive my own car to

the
hall this time. The thing is the boy that she went with last year and

is
going with this year, that is the only times, they have been out

together.
His parents have a strange philosophy with dating outside your religion

and
well Sherry is not his religion. So he just hides the fact that Sherry

and
him have been a "couple" for a year now.

Debbie




"Joyce" wrote in message
...
One is too old for prom. He avoided it like the plague in highschool

and
has no
intention of participating now. He is one of those *dances are not

for
me* type
guys ... tried it once, drove him nuts. LOL My daughter has talked

about
going,
but also really has little interest. It is so darned expensive around

here, maybe
it's the same in all areas. Tickets run over $100/couple, attire is

similar
priced if not higher ... then there is the after prom activity,

dinner,
and day
after. And of course you can't drive, you MUST hire a limo to cart

you
around. I
swear it's like a dang wedding. Daughter was going to go with her

best
friend (he
is openly gay, a really sweet kid) but now they are thinking of

waiting
until
their senior year. I don't push, I was the same way - hated the

dances,
it just
wasn't *me*. My group used to skip the expense and hassle of the

dance
itself,
and just hit the picnic the next day. We survived, we were happy,

didn't
feel
like we missed out on anything.

Joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:16:37 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

I dunno Joyce, it's prom season around the corner? You *do* have

teens...

I love knowing who is owned by which company, etc. It's my hobby.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Well, I don't think I have any urgent need for formalwear or bridal
apparel. G
It appears we only have the higher end stores in our area then, I'm
assuming they
must also have lower end retail stores? I'm thinking there may be

a
bloomingdales
in Oakbrook .. or maybe it was just talk of one at some time -

don't
remember.
Lord and Taylor's is in Fox Valley. None of them hold any interest

for
me, too
uppity. G

Thanks for the info. I do find it very interesting, who owns what.

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:13:00 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Joyce,

I just did a search on the May's and Federated. Lord & Taylor's

is
a
May's
dept store as was Filene's Basement while here. They also

recently
bought
Gingiss formalwear and own David's Bridal.

Macy's is Federated as is Bloomingdale's and I believe there is a
Bloomie's
in the city.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
LOL! And you not dealing with a sweatshirt is when the temps

are
what
...
low
60's? Today it was about 45, heat wave in my mind. Running

around
in
shirtsleeves like it was mid summer. G

I think the only reason our paper carried the story of the

stores
selling
is
because Marshall Field's has been a long time chicago store.

Selling
it
off is
another landmark disappearing. My understanding is that they

will
only
be
keeping
the Target chain, the rest will be dissolved or sold. No

Federated
or
May's here
either, will be interesting to see if this means that both of us

will
see
these
chains appear in the future? Or will we only have Target left?

Ok, maybe the stuff at Hot Topic is the pleather and vinyl and

not
leather
.. I
tend to just lump it all in the same category. G Not

something
any
of
the
family members go for, so we don't give it a second look and do

not
check
out the
tags. LOL Cass doesn't buy too much at the concerts, finds the

items
way
too
expensive and standing in line a pain in the neck. My son just

went
to
a
concert
a few weeks ago, had asked if I wanted a t'shirt (he is into

country
like
his mama
... I taught the boy well). I found the tour t'shirt at a flea

market,
for $3 -
so much cheaper than what was offered at the concert ... and it

was
the
current
one!

What a neat career for you daughter to get into. Cassie is

leaing
in a
few
directions at the moment - all media based but I think more in

the
journalism end.
She has thought about marketing for radio/music, then swings

into
photographic
journalism, then thought she would really enjoy getting into

music
based
magazine
stuff. Next week will be her first visit to a college, which I

am
a
bit
fearful
on prices since it is one of the artsy type chicago schools.

But
it
comes
with a
fantastic reputation and one of the best journalism programs

around.
So
we'll
see.

Joyce

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:01:37 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

You are so right about the warmer clothes, I think I have had

my
heavy
wool
coat on maybe six times all winter. Normally a sweatshirt will

do
unless
it
is pouring down rain, and then you need the umbrella,but most

times, I
don't
even bother with a jacket or umbrella, as I can't be bothered

with
them
and
don't mind the little bit of rain I get on me in the process.

I
typically
just don't go out when it is really bad weather (that is for

here
at
least).

Yes, Mervyns, Marshall Fields and Target are all owned by the

same
company.
Had not heard about them selling off any of the stores. We

don't
have
Federated or Mays out here, so maybe it is just the Midwest

stores,
of
course, we don't have Marshall Fields out here either.

Hot Topic is a Goth store, no leather in ours though, just

pleather
and
vinyl. They carry Dickies in there too, so we have bought them

when
they
are on the clearance racks. They do have a large variety of
band/music
t's,
by Sherry typically gets her music t's when she attends a

concert.
She
is a
huge music fan and goes to concerts/shows quite often. She is

even
working
her schooling towards going into the music business, hopefully
managing
bands, etc. She already does marketing and things with a local

band
here
in
town.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
If I remember correctly, Mervyn's is a division of Marshall

Fields
...
as
is
Target. Yup - just dug the newspaper article out of the

*library*
(hub
constantly
drags them into the potty - lol). Currently they are selling

off
the
Field's end
of the stores and *lower -end Mervyn's chain* (quoted from

the
newspaper)
and
hoping Federated or May's will buy them out. We don't have

the
Mervyn's
in my
area. I love Target, but stay far away from their clothing -

have
not
had
much
luck in the quality. I swear, every shirt I have ever

purchased
from
them
has
shrunk to half its size in the first washing and that was

when
I
would
line dry my
clothing. But you can't beat their household items. Around

here
American
Eagle
is pretty non-trendy type items, much simpler styling by

standards,
less
glitz and
fuss which is why I think my daughter prefers it. Well, as

well
as
being
able to
walk in and find things small enough. g I hate the prices

though,
you
are only
paying for the name. The shoes are odd though. Around here

they
are
all
just
unisex - buy smaller size if you are a female because they

are
sized
for
men ...
at least in the converse styles. I just ran into the same

thing
with
the
pair of
Adidas she bought from Journeys. They put the mens stuff in

smaller
sizes, in the
womens section. g But these are what are considered to be

*in
style*
with all
the kids. Hot Topic is considered more of a *goth* store in

our
area
...
tons of
black, leather and chain type attire. Daughter does wander

in
on
rare
occassions,
but only buys t's - says they have great music/band t's.

My son found the Dickie's brand carried in PacSun when he was
shopping
for
work
clothes a few weeks ago, I also believe daughter bought a

sweatshirt
at
Anchor
Blue (which she doesn't like shopping at very often) - so
evidentally
has
become a
much more popular item with the kids again. We don't have

any
work
type
stores
nearby, have to drive 45 minutes to the nearest one (Farm and

Fleet
...
which I
love). Probably because I am stuck in yuppie heaven (or

hell,
depending
on how
you view things - lol). But Farm and Fleet is fantastic,

prices
are
great
and
always a fun place to go. Carhart seems to be the current

craze
(based
on
sonny
boy talking his dad into buying me a new jacket for

Christmas).
That
also
might
be due to the weather we endure - you don't have much need

for
the
heavier
duty/warmer clothing in your neck of the woods. G

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:10:52 -0800, "Deb in Northern

California"
wrote:

The American Eagle, Express, etc, are the stores she stays

away
from.
We
rarely step into K-Mart or Wal-Mart. I hate that they have

zero
customer
service. I typically shop Target instead for the things

that
K-Mart
or
Wal-Mart carry. We have a store called Mervyn's here that

sells
the
jeans
she likes on sale for about $22 that is very reasonable.

The
Dickies
that
she wears, are the men's, and they typically come from Work

World.
The
converse shoes are the basic black ones, nothing special

about
it
and
they
did come from Journey's, but we had to special order them,

since
she
wears
the boys/men's styles rather than the girls styles. Of any

store
that
she
shops at that would be considered trendy it would be Hot

Topic.
But
then
again, those are just t's and a few other tops she buys in

there.
She
is
such a down to earth girl. Most of the stuff she wears, she
prefers
to
buy
in the men's/boys department and those are cheaper too.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Sounds to me like your store is one of the much smaller

ones.
I
have 4
stores in
nearby towns - one is a very small store, one is extremely

large
...
other
two are
somewhere in between. The women's section in the one

nearest
me
is
quite
large
... well, larger than 3 racks but smaller than a specialty

shop.
g
I
do
admit
though, that I never cared for their selection of items in

the
larger
sizes ...
then again, I didn't care for the items in the specialized
women's
stores
either.
I'm very picky. G

Your non-trendy daughter would have no problem shopping in

the
Kohl's
store near
me ... they carry the lowrise levi's (carry tons of

levi's)
and
dickie
sweats.
What's rather odd is that around here, Dickie's is

considered
a
more
trendy brand
as well as those high top converse's (daughter just looked

at
a
pair
at
Journeys
but took a pass on them) ... so maybe by CA standards she

is
not
trendy,
yet IL
standards she is??? g I have found Kohl's to have the

best
prices
on
the levi
jeans ... again, when they are on sale. I don't recall

ever
spending
more
than
$20/pair, which is cheaper than anywhere else (they

usually
run
around
$30-$40
depending on style - low rise and stretch are at the top

price
end).
Now
my
youngest daughter will not buy clothing at Kohl's, she is

more
of
a
brand
snob in
my opinion ... American Eagle, Express, etc.

I also lean towards the very basic type stylings ...

jeans,
t's,
polo's,
simple
sweaters - so is very easy to catch sales. I'm not into
*brands*,
the
house
brands are just fine by me. I picked up several polo's

during
last
years
clearance for $3/each - sweaters at the beginning of the

season
for
around
$12. I
can't touch those prices elsewhere (other than

K-mart/Wal-mart
which
fall
apart on
me after a few washings).

I guess it's just like everywhere else. You have to know

your
pricing
and
your
merchandise. I stay away from the high end designs.

Joyce

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:23:24 -0800, "Deb in Northern

California"
wrote:

At this point, I am still in the larger sizes and their

larger
sized
women's
department had a lot to be desired, I think they had may

3
racks
total
of
larger size clothes, so most likely I will not be back

there
for
a
while.
The younger/junior sized things that my daughter could

fit
in
to
she
would
not be caught dead in, she is so not into the fashion

trends.
Give
her a
pair of jeans (Levi's ultra-low rise with stretch size

5),a
T-shirt
and
her
Dickies hooded sweatshirt along with her high top

Converse
shoes
and
she
is
a happy camper. She is so simple, and not trendy at all.

It
is
nice
to
shop for her and she is not a clothes horse either so

that
is
nice
too.
On
the other hand her older sister (20 years old) loves to

shop
and
could
break
me, but since she has to spend her own money on clothes

now,
she
thinks
twice before buying something.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message

...
Give Kohls time to get going. Ours has the greatest

clearance
racks.
Stuff
70% off. Now affordable. I found a cute long dressy

skirt
there
the
other
night for $5. It might be a tad too big by the time I

plan
to
wear
it
in
May
but it will be worth taking it in at the waist for the
luncheon.

"Deb in Northern California"

wrote
in
message
news We had a Kohl's open in our town last week. This was

the
first
wave
of
stores to open in Nor Cal. I was very disappointed

in
the
store
and
the
quality of merchandise and the prices were on the

high
side
as
far
as
I
was
concerned. But that is just my observation of going

there
last
night
and
looking for a strapless bra for my youngest daughter.

$30+
for
a
bra
that
hold barely anything. She is a 34A.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Yup, definitely younger category ... you are the

same
age
as
our
oldest
girl
(she'll be 30 in June). She also loves Gap, Banana
Republic,
Eddie
Bauer,
Express, etc. To me, the *normal* prices at all

these
stores
are
too
expensive.
Again, probably an age thing. What I think is

expensive,
she
thinks
is
reasonable. G I'm more of a Kohl's/Penney's type
shopper.
G

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:16:46 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

I'll be thirty this year, so I guess I qualify in

the
younger
category.
I'm
also all of 5 ft 3 in and my torso seems to be
proportioned--I
wouldn't
know
since it's been submerged under the weight for so

long.

It's certainly clearance time. We'll be going to

Banana
Republic
for
dh
soon...I have a feeling sweaters will be

inexpensive
soon.
Last
year
we
got
him cashmere/silk blends for $7/ea.

Julie, who loves to get great bargains on

clothing.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I did buy one pair of Gap jeans on clearance,

was
a
great
deal
for
$10.
You will
get into that XL shirt. If you're younger, you
probably
don't
mind
those
shorter
styles anyway. My problem is that all my height

is
from
the
waist
up -
so
shirts
that are cut to hit at the waist normally, will

hit
me
even
higher
up.
Not a
pretty picture on this old lady. G I did find

some
terrific
buys
after
Christmas ... mens cotton sweaters, marked down

to
$6.
These
were
cut
so
short, I
can't imagine any man wearing them. But they

fit
me
perfectly,
and
are
just plain
unisex styling. Guess it's time once again to

check
out
the
clearance
racks. I
found out today that what few hooded sweatshirts

I
have,
are
all
size
L
(mens) ...
much too big. This should be the right time to

pick
stuff
up
cheaply.

Joyce

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:44:48 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

No, but on clearance they are very attractive.

I
have
a
shirt
from
the
Gap
that I bought specifically as a NSV clothing

shirt.
I
paid
$1.99
for
it.
I
do hope to get into it at some point, it's an

XL.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message

.. .
I do have two pairs of jeans from the gap,

but
they
don't
seem
to
fit
as
well as
these others I have found. They fit *ok* and

are
acceptable
...
except
for the
price. G Shirts at the Gap are definitely

made
for
younger
females,
those with
little to no chest factor. G Even my 105

pound
daughter
has
to
take
a
medium
there. They seem to be cut small and short

....
not
good
options
for
women
with
longer body lengths.

Joyce

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:01:04 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Have you been to the Gap? I know they are

more
expensive,
but
if
they
fit
right....

"Joyce" wrote in message

.. .
I tend to have the same thing, hard to

stay
focused
100%
of
the
time
when
everyone
is fussing over us. I find I kind of

relax
just
a
little
too
much.
G
But,
that's ok too - sometimes you just have to

relax,
as
long
as
we
don't
make
it a
forever thing.

I have a tough time with jeans too, had

someone
the
other
day
tell
me
to
try the
junior sizing (yeah, right, sure - not

gonna
happen
unless
I
want
to
totally
humiliate myself). Relaxed fit is too big

in
the
legs,
hips
and
thighs -
look
like clown pants on me. I have a pair of
carpenter
pants
on
today,
size 6
and
very baggy. I could take a 4 in these and
probably
still
have
a
bit
of
room to
spare - they don't come in 4's. In lower

rise
jeans
I
seem
to
need
a
smaller size
than in regular cut higher waist - the

waist
is
too
snug
for
my
liking
and
I do
like to be able to breath. I haven't

tried
the
Gloria
Vanderbilt
jeans,
always
made the assumption that those *designer*

names
wouldn't
work
for
me -
maybe I
will give them a try as I saw some cute

capri's
in a
sales
ad
this
week.
I found
a new one that does fit me well though,

only
ones
in
the
Lee
brand
that
aren't
baggy in the legs ... they have a *one

true
fit*
or
something
like
that -
fits me
very nicely ... everywhere. Same with the

Levi
Nouveau
but I
forget
which
number
(why do they assign the styles

numbers???).
The
levi's
have
a
little
stretch to
them, great in the waist but tend to get a

tad
baggy
in
the
seat
after
a
few
hours. Oh well, I like the baggy better

than
the
constant
snug
I
used
to
deal
with. g Shirts are an entirely

different
story
with
me -
range
anywhere
from a
small to a large, depending on the store

and
brand.
I
have
no
cl
ue.

Joyce

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:13:37 -0600,

Prairie
Roots

wrote:

Thanks Joyce. I got a lot of compliments

and
attention
at
work
this
week regarding my weight loss, people

saying
things
about
how
confident I appear, that I have a more

positive
attitude,
and
just
plain look great. I think my head got a

little
puffed
up
from
all
the
compliments and that's what started all

the
other
crazy
thinking.

It's hard to find jeans that fit me. The
ubiquitous
relaxed
fit
jeans
don't work for me; I carry my weight in

my
tummy,
not
my
hips
and
thighs. Of all the brands I've tried,

Gloria
Vanderbilt
classic
fit
jeans fit me best. I too like a little

stretch
in
my
jeans,
makes
bending over not just a breathtaking

experience.
LOL
But
couldn't
find
any this shopping trip and the

non-stretch
jeans
don't
cut
off
my
oxygen supply.

Thanks again for your encouragement.

Linda P

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:58:12 -0600, Joyce

wrote:

Hey, taking a week of following the

program
and
maintaining
is
fantastic! Call it
practice for the future, you've proved

to
yourself
that
it
can
be
done.
Congrats
on holding firm this week.

Wish I could help you with the sink

decision
...
my
decisions
are
always
to go on
the cheap side of things. G I think

both
times
we've
replaced
the
sink, we
ended up at Builders Square (or similar

home
improvement
store)
and
looking at
their discards (something that someone

else
ordered
and
couldn't/wouldn't use for
one reason or another). Many times they

may
have
had
a
little
chip
or
scratch in
the underside - nothing noticeable or
functionable -
but
always
at
a
great
reduction and usable. Might be

something
to
think
about
or
look
into.

What a great NSV, fitting easily into

those
size
10
jeans,
smaller
tops
and much
smaller undergarments. I love the

clothing
victories
(yet
still
hate
to
shop).
Where did you ever find jeans without

stretch
though?
I
swear
that
seems to be
all that is being made these days! BUT

...
don't
write
them
off
dear.
They are
wonderfully comfortable, and I've found

rather
flattering.
They
hug
ya
in all
those places we didn't use to like being
hugged.
G

Fight back with those other

personalities
of
yours
that
are
currently
letting
themselves be heard. Do not let them

put
a
damper
on
your
motivation
or
spirit.
You know why you should go further, just

have
to
make
sure
you
are
louder than
those other voices. C'mon Linda (wow,

was
THAT
hard
for
me
to
say),
you
can do
it!

Joyce



On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:54:10 -0600,

Prairie
Roots

wrote:

My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded

weight:
0.0
lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in

my
weight
from
last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week.

Hitting
the
70+
total
loss
and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my
motivation
to
keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some

part
of
me
I
haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I

should
even
further.

It probably didn't help that, on a

whim,
I
tried
on
a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and
discovered
that
it
fit.
I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and

got
into
a
classic
fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also

discovered
that
the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head

over
to
the
foundations
department for new undergarments and

give
my
girls a
new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD

to
38D.

My food was off this week. More

importantly, I
didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with

the
impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current

dilemma
is
deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of

my
construction
budget
I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten

my
bike.
Later
today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get

cranky.
The
bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier

than
usual
and
getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient

whose
health
issues.
A
major
project I've been involved with at work

is
nearing
completion
and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit

of
a
breather
from
WW
this
week to marvel at my overall progress

and
to
focus
on a
few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up

maintaining
is a
wonder.

It's the best day of my life!

Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003


























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Old March 27th, 2004, 09:24 AM
Joyce
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Default RAFL week 9 - Prairie Roots

I noticed when driving through Naperville last week, a dry cleaner that advertised
$1.50 (or something similar) per item. Not a bad price, but still a tad far for
me to go to drop off the small amount of cleaning that I do end up with. I've
been using those dryer type fresheners for daughters sweaters. They seem to do
the trick rather well.

Joyce

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 05:52:06 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

*grin* True. We have become very lazy. The wireless homes aren't really
pratical in my eyes either...more things to break and if you can't program
it yourself then well....

There's a dry cleaner off Dundee (I know that it's far from you) who is
charging 95cents/item. You have to pay in advance and I believe they only
take cash but 95cents and item!!


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Dry cleaning? What's that? G Very little, if anything goes to the dry

cleaner
anymore - it has become way too expensive. Those wireless homes are

definitely
interesting, but seeing that we have quickly become a lazy society I do

wonder if
this just adds to it. Just think. We no longer would have to leave the

comfort
of our computer chairs (or wherever) to turn off lights, televisions, lock

doors,
etc. Heck, at one time that was about the only activity I ever got! g

Joyce

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:35:36 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

Two years ago, I was at the National Home Builder's show in Atlanta and

they
had the wireless house (or some other name equivalent) and you would not
believe what they had in the automated house! Everything from the music

to
the lights were controlled by wireless measures. There was a pc that ran
the house that could be put anywhere...I think the fridge was an option

as a
surface.

It even came with a unit that did dry cleaning!

Julie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Nah, sleeping bag is a necessity for you, not a toy. Unless of course,
you plan
on spending every evening in front of your fireplace, curled inside

said
sleeping
bag. G I'd love to have a fireplace, but as hard as we tried to find
somewhere
to put one ... we just couldn't come up with a good spot. So ... no
crackling
fires for me.

I have to have an icemaker, won't bend on that issue. No one else in

the
house
can empty trays into a bin, or refill them when they take the last cube
(much like
lightbulbs burning out - I seem to be the only one who notices ... or
changing
toilet paper rolls). I was plain tired of the rare occassions I wanted

a
soda or
tea and not having any ice available. Problem was easily solved by

having
an
icemaker in the fridge when we replaced it. No water dispensers or any
other
gadgets though - I don't need them. But you have to admit ... a

computer
right on
the fridge door IS pretty neat. G I wonder if it's wireless. LOL

joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:14:08 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Oh, when a choice of TOYS or other things, TOYS wins hands down. I
can't decide if a new sleeping bag is a toy or what (G)

Gas is the only way. (sitting by the gas fireplace just before
cooking dinner on gas)

I don't even have an ice maker and remove the cube tray entirely from
my fridge.

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:58:56 -0600, Joyce wrote:

That really is true. My daughter wants us to get a new fridge, and I
have a
feeling we aren't too far off. Our *new* one is about 13 years old,

one
of the
brackets the door swings on has broken - but it still cools

wonderfully
and makes
ice ... so I'm not biting. Of course, she wants one of the new ones
with the
computer right on the door. I have no idea why, other than she

thinks
it looks
neat. Probably so she can keep up her instant messaging while gazing
endlessly at
the interior of the fridge (her current habit).

Ya know, I was raised on electric cooking - my mom loved it. When I

got
married,
I had a heck of a time adjusting to the gas and swore that at the

first
opportunity I would replace with an electric range. Now I am so used

to
the gas I
would not consider changing. I think it's so much easier to control

the
heat, and
the burners cool much quicker when turned off. Other than the option

of
a totally
flat surface (we've talked about that before), nothing is going to

get
me to
switch.

I'd still rather buy toys. G

Joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:34:38 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Well, for justification, I was told new refrigerators are much more
efficient than anything sold 10 or more years ago. Cooking with gas
is just entirely different than electricity that I cannot believe

that
I waited so many years to return to it.

Just one man's INVALUABLE opinion (G)

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:25:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm the same way, can't justify replacing something that is still
working ... no
matter how outdated it is or how bad I really would like a more
current model.
Well, except for my computers. Those I have no trouble replacing
early. G
Guess we all have our priorites. G

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:13:56 -0600, "Miss Violette"

wrote:

Hey, My kitchen stuff is still green, I want to replace it and

need
to but
can't while it is still working. Dish washer just got replaced

after
three
years with out one. DH offered to buy me a new one but I couldn't
justify
it,so when he ran across one for $138.00 I was OK with that, the
refrigerator, sink and stove are still A G, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
om...
LOL! And I had to fight the avacado greens ... stove, fridge,
double oven
AND
dishwasher (guess it blended in with the orange shag carpeting

and
gold
drapes).
I was so dang glad to get rid of that stuff. Now all my *stuff*

is
white
or black
- nice and neutral, easy to work around.

Joyce

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:55:26 -0800, Fred

wrote:

I made some comments about "vogue" when looking at stainless

and
was
reminded of COPPERTONE - now, there was a blast from the past!

For years, this place had an almond fridge (mine from a prior
house),
a harvest gold, rollaway dishwasher (I inherited at the prior
house)
and a white stove (this house). Oh, yes, the sink was

stainless.
Now
the sink ain't but everything else is! (G)

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:58:07 -0600, Joyce

wrote:

I think it's just another one of those *personal taste*

things.
Why did
the woman
who lived in THIS house before me, prefer dark panelled walls,
white
carpet (ah,
and orange in a few rooms) and draperies that ran wall to wall
(to cover
up 40"
windows)? That's why there are so many different products on

the
market - each of
us have different tastes.

Me? Add me to the *don't like, won't have* stainless steel
group. I've
had it,
found it a pain to keep clean and nice looking, it always

looked
scratched and
nicked up. The only way to remove finger prints, water spots

and
streaking was to
constantly be wiping down with vinegar. I am not a constant

type
of
cleaner. G

I love the ceramic, is so much easier (for me anyway). What

you
think
are
scratches and stains, come out with elbow grease and

ajax/comet
scouring
powder.
Any residual coffee staining, fill sink with water and bleach
solution
and let
soak for 30 minutes or so ... rinse and back to bright white.
After 16
years,
mine still is looking grand.

Then again, it might be one of those age issues. Styles tend

to
go in
circles,
and I notice stainless is very vogue once again.

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:03:10 -0600, "skiur"


wrote:

Forgive me, but why in the world do your friends not care for
stainless?

Julie, who can't fathom that idea.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Thanks Lee. My sink choices are quickly narrowing to

stainless
steel.
I've been listening to a couple of friends who don't care

for
stainless, but I have SS now and don't seem to mind the
problems
they've listed. I'll be buying a new gas range/stovetop and
dishwasher, too, and am considering stainless steel finish.

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:27:49 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I am glad to see your attitude is so wonderful. Get
stainless steel
whatever configuration you get on the sink, I love

stainless
steel,
Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0 lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight from

last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the 70+

total
loss and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation to

keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me I

haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried on a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered that

it
fit. I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a classic

fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered that the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the
foundations
department for new undergarments and give my girls a new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is

deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my construction
budget I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike. Later

today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual and

getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose health
issues. A
major
project I've been involved with at work is nearing
completion and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a breather

from
WW this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to focus on a

few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a

wonder.

It's the best day of my life!
--
Linda P
week 54: 232/159.6/WW goal 145
RAFL week 9: 167/159.6/154
next mini-goals: 157 (75 lbs total loss); 155 (10 lbs to

WW
goal);
154
( RAFL goal)
started WW 22-Feb-2003 | 10% target: 1-May-2003
5'4" | 50 | F




Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003








  #140  
Old March 27th, 2004, 03:47 PM
skiur
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Default RAFL week 9 - Prairie Roots

I'm a fan of Dryel. I"ve noticed that 2 sheets do a better job than one when
you have 4 items in the bag and they all need some serious help.

Julie
"Joyce" wrote in message
...
I noticed when driving through Naperville last week, a dry cleaner that

advertised
$1.50 (or something similar) per item. Not a bad price, but still a tad

far for
me to go to drop off the small amount of cleaning that I do end up with.

I've
been using those dryer type fresheners for daughters sweaters. They seem

to do
the trick rather well.

Joyce

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 05:52:06 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

*grin* True. We have become very lazy. The wireless homes aren't really
pratical in my eyes either...more things to break and if you can't

program
it yourself then well....

There's a dry cleaner off Dundee (I know that it's far from you) who is
charging 95cents/item. You have to pay in advance and I believe they

only
take cash but 95cents and item!!


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Dry cleaning? What's that? G Very little, if anything goes to the

dry
cleaner
anymore - it has become way too expensive. Those wireless homes are

definitely
interesting, but seeing that we have quickly become a lazy society I do

wonder if
this just adds to it. Just think. We no longer would have to leave

the
comfort
of our computer chairs (or wherever) to turn off lights, televisions,

lock
doors,
etc. Heck, at one time that was about the only activity I ever got!

g

Joyce

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:35:36 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Two years ago, I was at the National Home Builder's show in Atlanta

and
they
had the wireless house (or some other name equivalent) and you would

not
believe what they had in the automated house! Everything from the

music
to
the lights were controlled by wireless measures. There was a pc that

ran
the house that could be put anywhere...I think the fridge was an

option
as a
surface.

It even came with a unit that did dry cleaning!

Julie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Nah, sleeping bag is a necessity for you, not a toy. Unless of

course,
you plan
on spending every evening in front of your fireplace, curled inside

said
sleeping
bag. G I'd love to have a fireplace, but as hard as we tried to

find
somewhere
to put one ... we just couldn't come up with a good spot. So ... no
crackling
fires for me.

I have to have an icemaker, won't bend on that issue. No one else

in
the
house
can empty trays into a bin, or refill them when they take the last

cube
(much like
lightbulbs burning out - I seem to be the only one who notices ...

or
changing
toilet paper rolls). I was plain tired of the rare occassions I

wanted
a
soda or
tea and not having any ice available. Problem was easily solved by

having
an
icemaker in the fridge when we replaced it. No water dispensers or

any
other
gadgets though - I don't need them. But you have to admit ... a

computer
right on
the fridge door IS pretty neat. G I wonder if it's wireless. LOL

joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:14:08 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Oh, when a choice of TOYS or other things, TOYS wins hands down. I
can't decide if a new sleeping bag is a toy or what (G)

Gas is the only way. (sitting by the gas fireplace just before
cooking dinner on gas)

I don't even have an ice maker and remove the cube tray entirely

from
my fridge.

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:58:56 -0600, Joyce wrote:

That really is true. My daughter wants us to get a new fridge,

and I
have a
feeling we aren't too far off. Our *new* one is about 13 years

old,
one
of the
brackets the door swings on has broken - but it still cools

wonderfully
and makes
ice ... so I'm not biting. Of course, she wants one of the new

ones
with the
computer right on the door. I have no idea why, other than she

thinks
it looks
neat. Probably so she can keep up her instant messaging while

gazing
endlessly at
the interior of the fridge (her current habit).

Ya know, I was raised on electric cooking - my mom loved it. When

I
got
married,
I had a heck of a time adjusting to the gas and swore that at the

first
opportunity I would replace with an electric range. Now I am so

used
to
the gas I
would not consider changing. I think it's so much easier to

control
the
heat, and
the burners cool much quicker when turned off. Other than the

option
of
a totally
flat surface (we've talked about that before), nothing is going to

get
me to
switch.

I'd still rather buy toys. G

Joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:34:38 -0800, Fred


wrote:

Well, for justification, I was told new refrigerators are much

more
efficient than anything sold 10 or more years ago. Cooking with

gas
is just entirely different than electricity that I cannot believe

that
I waited so many years to return to it.

Just one man's INVALUABLE opinion (G)

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:25:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm the same way, can't justify replacing something that is

still
working ... no
matter how outdated it is or how bad I really would like a more
current model.
Well, except for my computers. Those I have no trouble

replacing
early. G
Guess we all have our priorites. G

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:13:56 -0600, "Miss Violette"

wrote:

Hey, My kitchen stuff is still green, I want to replace it and

need
to but
can't while it is still working. Dish washer just got replaced

after
three
years with out one. DH offered to buy me a new one but I

couldn't
justify
it,so when he ran across one for $138.00 I was OK with that,

the
refrigerator, sink and stove are still A G, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
om...
LOL! And I had to fight the avacado greens ... stove,

fridge,
double oven
AND
dishwasher (guess it blended in with the orange shag

carpeting
and
gold
drapes).
I was so dang glad to get rid of that stuff. Now all my

*stuff*
is
white
or black
- nice and neutral, easy to work around.

Joyce

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:55:26 -0800, Fred

wrote:

I made some comments about "vogue" when looking at stainless

and
was
reminded of COPPERTONE - now, there was a blast from the

past!

For years, this place had an almond fridge (mine from a

prior
house),
a harvest gold, rollaway dishwasher (I inherited at the

prior
house)
and a white stove (this house). Oh, yes, the sink was

stainless.
Now
the sink ain't but everything else is! (G)

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:58:07 -0600, Joyce

wrote:

I think it's just another one of those *personal taste*

things.
Why did
the woman
who lived in THIS house before me, prefer dark panelled

walls,
white
carpet (ah,
and orange in a few rooms) and draperies that ran wall to

wall
(to cover
up 40"
windows)? That's why there are so many different products

on
the
market - each of
us have different tastes.

Me? Add me to the *don't like, won't have* stainless steel
group. I've
had it,
found it a pain to keep clean and nice looking, it always

looked
scratched and
nicked up. The only way to remove finger prints, water

spots
and
streaking was to
constantly be wiping down with vinegar. I am not a

constant
type
of
cleaner. G

I love the ceramic, is so much easier (for me anyway).

What
you
think
are
scratches and stains, come out with elbow grease and

ajax/comet
scouring
powder.
Any residual coffee staining, fill sink with water and

bleach
solution
and let
soak for 30 minutes or so ... rinse and back to bright

white.
After 16
years,
mine still is looking grand.

Then again, it might be one of those age issues. Styles

tend
to
go in
circles,
and I notice stainless is very vogue once again.

Joyce

On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:03:10 -0600, "skiur"


wrote:

Forgive me, but why in the world do your friends not care

for
stainless?

Julie, who can't fathom that idea.

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
...
Thanks Lee. My sink choices are quickly narrowing to

stainless
steel.
I've been listening to a couple of friends who don't

care
for
stainless, but I have SS now and don't seem to mind the
problems
they've listed. I'll be buying a new gas range/stovetop

and
dishwasher, too, and am considering stainless steel

finish.

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:27:49 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I am glad to see your attitude is so wonderful. Get
stainless steel
whatever configuration you get on the sink, I love

stainless
steel,
Lee
Prairie Roots wrote in message
.. .
My current weight: 159.6 lbs
Weight change since my last recorded weight: 0.0 lbs
Total weight change to date: -72.4 lbs

Today I'm grateful to see no change in my weight from

last
week.
I've
been on a mental plateau this week. Hitting the 70+

total
loss and
getting below 160 is doing a job on my motivation to

keep
going.
This
is further than I expected to go; some part of me I

haven't
heard
from
before is wondering why I think I should even

further.

It probably didn't help that, on a whim, I tried on a
jacket
formerly
worn by one of my skinny daughters and discovered

that
it
fit. I
also
went shopping for some new jeans and got into a

classic
fit
size
10
petite withOUT stretch. When I also discovered that

the
medium
tops
fit nicely, I realized I should head over to the
foundations
department for new undergarments and give my girls a

new
lift.
Since
starting WW, I've gone down from 44DD to 38D.

My food was off this week. More importantly, I didn't
exercise
even
once. I'm on a rollercoaster ride with the impending
construction
work
on my kitchen and bathroom. My current dilemma is

deciding
what
kind
of kitchen sink I want and how much of my

construction
budget I
want
to spend on it. I still haven't gotten my bike. Later

today
I'll
have
to call and find out if I need to get cranky. The bus
strike
started
and I'm carpooling, leaving earlier than usual and

getting
home
later.
I'm starting with a new hospice patient whose health
issues. A
major
project I've been involved with at work is nearing
completion and
morphing into an even bigger project.

All of this is to say that I took a bit of a breather

from
WW this
week to marvel at my overall progress and to focus on

a
few
other
pressing issues. That I ended up maintaining is a

wonder.

It's the best day of my life!
--
Linda P
week 54: 232/159.6/WW goal 145
RAFL week 9: 167/159.6/154
next mini-goals: 157 (75 lbs total loss); 155 (10 lbs

to
WW
goal);
154
( RAFL goal)
started WW 22-Feb-2003 | 10% target: 1-May-2003
5'4" | 50 | F




Linda P
232/159.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003










 




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