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Old May 3rd, 2012, 02:34 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Nana.Wilson
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On May 3, 7:35 am, Patricia Martin Steward
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On Wed, 2 May 2012 18:50:56 -0500, Bill O'Meally

wrote:
On 2012-05-02 11:10:49 -0500, Nana.Wilson said:


I like steel cut oat meal (only draw back is that it take over 20 min.
to cook) I has a lower glycemic effect for me. Aspartame does not
aggree with me so I use stevia or splenda. I use soy milk.


I'm not a fan of aspartame either. I wish the folks at General Mills
would switch to Splenda, but you take what you can get. Fiber One is
the best kept secret as far as low-carb, mass-produced cereals are
concerned.


ASPARTAME IS EVIL. Just do a search.

I haven't touched the stuff in years.


I could just as easily do a "search" that shows
that LC is evil.

AMEN!!!
They say if you have enough test & scans SOMETHING will be found awry. But
your gonna die anyway, truth be told!
I just wanna get from here ta there in as little pain as possible, when the
time comes

Nana 130 1 1/2 hrs after having my 'green' smoothie (from my Vitamix)
b/gwas 100 @ 6:30 a.m.


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Old May 3rd, 2012, 05:33 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Doug Freyburger
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Bill O'Meally wrote:
Nana.Wilson said:

I like steel cut oat meal (only draw back is that it take over 20 min.
to cook) I has a lower glycemic effect for me. Aspartame does not
aggree with me so I use stevia or splenda. I use soy milk.


Heavy cream or butter work better in hot cereal than variations on milk.
Or if you can find Hood low carb milk near you that works. I see it in
stores every so often but it is not carried consistantly in my area. I
don't understand as it flies off the shelves when it is present. I see
an empty slot and a Hood sticker twice as often as I see the Hood low
carb milk itself.

Try Silk or other brand almond milk. I think you'll be hooked when you
try it.

Hot cereal works for specific carb quotas. Let's say your carb quote du
jour is 50. Hot cereal at breakfast gets you to 20. It's see it do 30
in the rest of the day on low carb items. As Bill points out higher
carb than most begining low carbers will want but later on can be a
different story.

I'm not a fan of aspartame either.


It has no effect on me but I do know two people who get effects from it.
My wife gets headaches when she switches to splenda based sodas so some
sort of withdrawal effect. An old friend gets brain fog when he gets
dosed with Diet Dr Pepper. Many can't tell diet from regular for that
brand.

... Fiber One is
the best kept secret as far as low-carb, mass-produced cereals are
concerned.


Does anyone make this as a hot cereal? I've seen it or other fiber
mixed into hot cereal but so far I haven't seen this use as the hot
cereal itself.

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Old May 3rd, 2012, 05:58 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Dogman
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On Thu, 3 May 2012 16:33:34 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
wrote:

[...]
Fiber One is
the best kept secret as far as low-carb, mass-produced cereals are
concerned.


Does anyone make this as a hot cereal? I've seen it or other fiber
mixed into hot cereal but so far I haven't seen this use as the hot
cereal itself.


IMO: There is no such thing as a good cereal, if that cereal is made
from GRAINS.

See: Wheat Belly, by Dr. Wm. Davis. http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/

--
Dogman
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Old May 3rd, 2012, 06:02 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
James Warren
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On 5/3/2012 1:33 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
Bill O'Meally wrote:
Nana.Wilson said:

I like steel cut oat meal (only draw back is that it take over 20 min.
to cook) I has a lower glycemic effect for me. Aspartame does not
aggree with me so I use stevia or splenda. I use soy milk.


Heavy cream or butter work better in hot cereal than variations on milk.
Or if you can find Hood low carb milk near you that works. I see it in
stores every so often but it is not carried consistantly in my area. I
don't understand as it flies off the shelves when it is present. I see
an empty slot and a Hood sticker twice as often as I see the Hood low
carb milk itself.

Try Silk or other brand almond milk. I think you'll be hooked when you
try it.

Hot cereal works for specific carb quotas. Let's say your carb quote du
jour is 50. Hot cereal at breakfast gets you to 20. It's see it do 30
in the rest of the day on low carb items. As Bill points out higher
carb than most begining low carbers will want but later on can be a
different story.

I'm not a fan of aspartame either.


It has no effect on me but I do know two people who get effects from it.
My wife gets headaches when she switches to splenda based sodas so some
sort of withdrawal effect. An old friend gets brain fog when he gets
dosed with Diet Dr Pepper. Many can't tell diet from regular for that
brand.


Can you do better than anecdotes? A good study reference would be nice.


... Fiber One is
the best kept secret as far as low-carb, mass-produced cereals are
concerned.


Does anyone make this as a hot cereal? I've seen it or other fiber
mixed into hot cereal but so far I haven't seen this use as the hot
cereal itself.


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Old May 3rd, 2012, 08:02 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Patricia Martin Steward[_3_]
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On Thu, 03 May 2012 10:31:23 -0300, James Warren
wrote:

Can the "ASPARTAME IS EVIL" poster post a link to a good study that
demonstrates that aspartame is evil? A search finds lots of conspiracy
type theories but precious little data on the claim.


There are several studies here, as recent as 2008:
http://aspartame.mercola.com/sites/a...e/studies.aspx

Here's a list of other studies, the most recent in 2011:
http://www.feingold.org/Research/aspartame.html

To be fair, I've only read the synopsis of the pertinent studies, not
the whole text. I'm just sayin'... if you have a choice, don't
consume it.


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Old May 3rd, 2012, 08:32 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Nana.Wilson
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"Doug Freyburger" wrote in message
...
Bill O'Meally wrote:
Nana.Wilson said:

I like steel cut oat meal (only draw back is that it take over 20 min.
to cook) I has a lower glycemic effect for me. Aspartame does not
aggree with me so I use stevia or splenda. I use soy milk.


Heavy cream or butter work better in hot cereal than variations on milk.
Or if you can find Hood low carb milk near you that works. I see it in
stores every so often but it is not carried consistantly in my area. I
don't understand as it flies off the shelves when it is present. I see
an empty slot and a Hood sticker twice as often as I see the Hood low
carb milk itself.

Try Silk or other brand almond milk. I think you'll be hooked when you
try it.

Hot cereal works for specific carb quotas. Let's say your carb quote du
jour is 50. Hot cereal at breakfast gets you to 20. It's see it do 30
in the rest of the day on low carb items. As Bill points out higher
carb than most begining low carbers will want but later on can be a
different story.

I'm not a fan of aspartame either.


It has no effect on me but I do know two people who get effects from it.
My wife gets headaches when she switches to splenda based sodas so some
sort of withdrawal effect. An old friend gets brain fog when he gets
dosed with Diet Dr Pepper. Many can't tell diet from regular for that
brand.

... Fiber One is
the best kept secret as far as low-carb, mass-produced cereals are
concerned.


Does anyone make this as a hot cereal? I've seen it or other fiber
mixed into hot cereal but so far I haven't seen this use as the hot
cereal itself.


I tried almond but I like just plain soy. I can't tolorate regular milk
now.
Nana



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Old May 3rd, 2012, 09:18 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
James Warren
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On 5/3/2012 4:02 PM, Patricia Martin Steward wrote:
On Thu, 03 May 2012 10:31:23 -0300, James Warren
wrote:

Can the "ASPARTAME IS EVIL" poster post a link to a good study that
demonstrates that aspartame is evil? A search finds lots of conspiracy
type theories but precious little data on the claim.


There are several studies here, as recent as 2008:
http://aspartame.mercola.com/sites/a...e/studies.aspx


I haven't yet read the study but I can say that Mercola is listed
as a quack on quackwatch.


Here's a list of other studies, the most recent in 2011:
http://www.feingold.org/Research/aspartame.html

To be fair, I've only read the synopsis of the pertinent studies, not
the whole text. I'm just sayin'... if you have a choice, don't
consume it.


That doesn't make sense if it is not harmful.

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Old May 3rd, 2012, 10:42 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Doug Freyburger
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James Warren wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:
Bill O'Meally wrote:


I'm not a fan of aspartame either.


It has no effect on me but I do know two people who get effects from it.
My wife gets headaches when she switches to splenda based sodas so some
sort of withdrawal effect. An old friend gets brain fog when he gets
dosed with Diet Dr Pepper. Many can't tell diet from regular for that
brand.


Can you do better than anecdotes? A good study reference would be nice.


I can't. Given how contradictory the many studies are I don't think a
really good conclusion is going to be available any time soon. I also
think a good conclusion is going to come out "it depends".

I speculate that any artificial sweetener will have studies that condemn
it. Consider the financial incentives of the patent time sequence.
Before the patent studies will need to show it is not toxic to get it to
market. Then studies early in the 17 year patent life need to show it
is safe to build brand reputuation. Then studies late in the 17 year
patent life need to show it has problems to interfere with the marketing
of the generics. And eventually studies can go either way once the
patent is long expired. Looking at the several very old artificial
sweeteners my model have approximately worked so I use it to predict the
arc of events for the new ones. They all end up cursed one way or
another because the next patented one needs a market.
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Old May 3rd, 2012, 10:46 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Doug Freyburger
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Dogman wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

[...]
Fiber One is
the best kept secret as far as low-carb, mass-produced cereals are
concerned.


Does anyone make this as a hot cereal? I've seen it or other fiber
mixed into hot cereal but so far I haven't seen this use as the hot
cereal itself.


IMO: There is no such thing as a good cereal, if that cereal is made
from GRAINS.

See: Wheat Belly, by Dr. Wm. Davis. http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/


I'm mildly wheat intolerant so I get the point. But know that the
majority is not. How much of the current noise abut wheat being bad or
going gluten free is really just smoke and mirrors for saying low carb
is healthy without admitting that it's about lowering carb counts? I
think a lot of it.

There's almost no down side to not eating any cereal grains. For most
people I think the main benefit is lowered carb count not triggering
previously undetected intolerances. Plenty of people do have
previoously undetected intolerances just nowhere near a majority.
 




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