Still having trouble with blood glucose

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:43:20 -0700, "Cubit" wrote:


"Avatar" wrote in message
news
My blood glucose is remaining stubbornly high, despite being on atkins
induction-level low carb diet for months. My diet is very high in
protein, and posters here tell me that 50% of suprplus protein is
converted to sugar, and suggest more fat. However, vegetable fat seems
hard to come by--only so much olive oil I'm willing to drink. Planning
to increase animal fat if my triglycerides get down to a reasonable
level--they've been absurdly high (triple what they should be), so I
have been cutting animal--read saturated--fat, switching, for example,
from ground beef to ground turkey (found it locally for $1.59/lb, as
compared to the national chian supermarket near here, where it's
$4.99/lb). Going to measure my triglyceridesat the end of the month,
and if they're low enough, plan to add animal fat back into my diet to
get blood glucose down. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance....

Ah, much we do not know, here. You could be an 80 pound anorexic with type
1 diabetes, and my standard advice would be akin to quackery.

_smile_ No--about 80 lbs over, type II.

Dr. Richard K. Bernstein has a book you may wish to find.

I have the book.

For my body, there seems to have been two key elements to returning to a
normal A1c. I restricted carbohydrates and reduced my BMI to normal. The
A1c soon followed.

Yes, am trying that. My A1c was 14 when I started; after two months on
low carb, 9.5. Am hoping for futurre reductions. Am also woking on the
BMI.

Happy Easter.

Thanks. You too.

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:14:51 GMT, "FOB"
wrote:

You are only believing part of the message, the part about cutting down on
carbs. The other part is don't worry about saturated fat, actually, animal
fat is only partially saturated so eat more of it along with more olive oil,
avocadoes, etc. How many grams of protein are you eating/day?

Last time I went low carb, years ago, triglycerides followed. This
time, they're very high, so am cutting out sat. fat.

From the other things you've been saying, it sounds like your main problem
is BG control. Find yourself a doctor who is committed to working with you
to attain good BG control as it sounds like you will need medication to
help.

Hm, what's "BG"?

"Avatar" wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:14:51 GMT, "FOB"
wrote:

You are only believing part of the message, the part about cutting down on
carbs. The other part is don't worry about saturated fat, actually,
animal
fat is only partially saturated so eat more of it along with more olive
oil,
avocadoes, etc. How many grams of protein are you eating/day?

Last time I went low carb, years ago, triglycerides followed. This
time, they're very high, so am cutting out sat. fat.


Sat fat is going to have little to do with Trigs. What about exercise?
You may be eating too much protein as well. And, it sounds as if you need
to be on medication to get your blood glucose under control.

"Avatar" wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:21:47 -0700 (PDT), Doug Freyburger
wrote:

Avatar wrote:

My blood glucose is remaining stubbornly high, despite being on atkins
induction-level low carb diet for months.

I've looked at your posting record and you don't have
any posts on any diabetes support newsgroup. Time
for that. It's a chicken-and-egg problem but get that
blood sugar down and all of the features of low carbing
will start working.

While it may work that your triglycerides will drop as
you lose to your low calorie efforts, it is far from clear
that that will turn your blood sugar levels down. The
body can synthesize glucose because your hormone
balance is broken not because of caloric needs. Both
runaway blood sugar and runaway ketones are
symptoms of uncontrolled diabetes.

Well, next to no ketosis going on, according to the sticks. Glucose is
not "run-away"--it's at 165, not too horrible.

Whether or not that's "not too horrible" depends...if you're LCing and not
eating a lot of carbs, and are running those numbers 24/7, then you should
be very concerned. The next question would are you on meds and if so, why
aren't they working?

Am planning that my
weight loss will get me to favorable blood glucose regions.

Plan is to monitor triglycerides, and if they're OK, add animal fat
back to diet, keep losing weight, and hopefully glucose levels will go
down at that point.

Are you unable to start some kind of exercise program? Have you tried that?

"Avatar" wrote in message
news
My blood glucose is remaining stubbornly high, despite being on atkins
induction-level low carb diet for months. My diet is very high in
protein, and posters here tell me that 50% of suprplus protein is
converted to sugar, and suggest more fat. However, vegetable fat seems
hard to come by--only so much olive oil I'm willing to drink. Planning
to increase animal fat if my triglycerides get down to a reasonable
level--they've been absurdly high (triple what they should be), so I
have been cutting animal--read saturated--fat, switching, for example,
from ground beef to ground turkey (found it locally for $1.59/lb, as
compared to the national chian supermarket near here, where it's
$4.99/lb). Going to measure my triglyceridesat the end of the month,
and if they're low enough, plan to add animal fat back into my diet to
get blood glucose down. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance....

Not enough information given....what else are you doing? Any meds? Any
exercise? Weight, gender, age?

"jcderkoeing" wrote:

You must be a troll.

Not an unreasonable evaluation. A record of actively
posting to alt.usenet.kooks. His most active posting
group is the troll ridden soc.men. He discusses
diabetes but has not posted even once to any diabetes
support group. Dismissing all medical specialists
based on the experience of one who he failed to make
active use of.

He's discussing topics in a dismissive way that looks
like he's reading up a little on topics then dropping
back into disbelief. It's not a bad trolling method.
Fairly artistic compared to the ones who post stuff
like "bua ha ha" and "that's why you got fat in the first
place".

Note that even his posting handle can be translated to
"sock puppet". An avatar is an indirect expression of
another category of being. It is usually used in religion,
but consider that some folks think religion has something
to do with low carb.

"Doug Freyburger" wrote in message
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"jcderkoeing" wrote:

You must be a troll.

Not an unreasonable evaluation. A record of actively
posting to alt.usenet.kooks. His most active posting
group is the troll ridden soc.men. He discusses
diabetes but has not posted even once to any diabetes
support group. Dismissing all medical specialists
based on the experience of one who he failed to make
active use of.


Even though it's a troll, there still seems to be some good discussion from
trying to solve the supposed dilemma.

Lemonade from lemons and all that...

"jcderkoeing" wrote:

Even though it's a troll, there still seems to be some good discussion from
trying to solve the supposed dilemma.

There's an assortment of advice from Dr Atkins that
tend to apply across the board not just to folks on
his plan. One is people with diabetes should only
start on a low carb plan under direct medical
supervision. Avatar's ignored many parts of the
directions including this one.

Lemonade from lemons and all that...

Got grain? Brew it into beer to lower the carb content.
Then distill it into whiskey to zero the carb count.

Or similar spoof on the sugary lemonade thing. Check.

"Doug Freyburger" wrote in message
...
"jcderkoeing" wrote:

Even though it's a troll, there still seems to be some good discussion
from
trying to solve the supposed dilemma.

There's an assortment of advice from Dr Atkins that
tend to apply across the board not just to folks on
his plan. One is people with diabetes should only
start on a low carb plan under direct medical
supervision. Avatar's ignored many parts of the
directions including this one.

Lemonade from lemons and all that...

Got grain? Brew it into beer to lower the carb content.
Then distill it into whiskey to zero the carb count.

Or similar spoof on the sugary lemonade thing. Check.

Crystal Light. No sugar.

Avatar writes:

Last time I went low carb, years ago, triglycerides followed. This
time, they're very high, so am cutting out sat. fat.

"This time, they're very high, so am giving up wearing sweaters."

There's no reason to think saturated fat will cause higher
triglycerides. And even if they did, more than half the fat in a steak
is unsaturated, so the standard "red meat bad saturated" view doesn't
hold up anyway.



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