Low Carb Beer and Atkins

HEY

**** BREATH


I WILL EAT FIVE RUNZA SAND WHICHES IF YOU PLEASE STOP POSTING ABOUT YOUR
DUMN DIET


OK DO WE HAVE A DEAL


PLEASE DONT LET ME KNOW





"Jefferson N. Glapski" wrote in
message s.com...
(snip)

Since many others have pointed out what you have
been doing wrong, I'll take the opportunity to share
a diet that has worked wonders for me and others.
First off, there is nothing terribly wrong with Atkins
or the South Beach etc--they work. But are they
the most healthy? A diet should not only help one
reach optimal weight, but also enhance and
strengthen the immune system and help one sleep
better, have more energy etc.

I've been on the paleolithic (or hunter-gatherer diet)
for almost six months. The key insight into this diet
is that for the vast majority of our evolutionary history
as proto-humans and homo sapiens we ate a diet
rich in animal protein, vegetables, fruits, nuts and
seeds. Eating grains began approximately 10,000
years ago. There is much evidence that many health
problems can be traced to this momentus change.
As hunter-gatherers we didn't eat dairy, salt (or certainly
not in the quantities humans eat now), refined sugar,
fried foods and so forth. We got all our carbs from
fruits and veggies. Tons of protein from meat, fish,
seeds and nuts.

If one eats as our ancestors did, the benefits will
be seen very quickly. I lost 12 pounds in a month
and gained muscle mass. I sleep better and I haven't
been sick since last year. I gave up beer, but hey,
I'm much more of a wine drinker anyway. Dinners
have become easier as we grill a lot more and eat
lots of salad and other veggies. If you can afford it,
buy clean sources of meat (organic, free-range, hormone
free etc.). Eat sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, brazil
nuts, walnuts. Eating nuts and seeds can significantly
lower your risk for certain cancers such as prostate.

The problem with Atkins as I see it, is that not enough
attention is paid to eating lots of fruits and vegetables.
This is the stuff that keeps one cancer free and one's
plumbing working properly. How healthy can a diet
be if you need to buy fiber products? (As many Atkins
people do.).

Check out these links:

www.paleolithicdiet.com

www.beyondveg.com






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wrote in news:nEoBb.68327$A94.38109
@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com:

The problem with Atkins as I see it, is that not enough
attention is paid to eating lots of fruits and vegetables.
This is the stuff that keeps one cancer free and one's
plumbing working properly. How healthy can a diet
be if you need to buy fiber products? (As many Atkins
people do.).

The thing about fruit is that it's high in sugar. The idea behind Atkins
is to stay in roughly a ketotic state so your body preferentially uses
fats for energy. However, the diet you describe and Atkins are very
similar. Most vegies are "freebies" once you are past induction. They
simply don't have that many carbs. Same with nuts and seeds since fiber
carbs don't count. The primary goal of Atkins though is not weight loss -
it's controlling your blood sugar. Wild swings in blood sugar (ie from
eating a pound of pasta or a bag of potato chips) have serious
detrimental health effects. More importantly, latelife diabetes is
closely associated with high-carb diets. The American Diabetes Assc Diet
is very similar to both Atkins and Paleo and is also designed to control
glycemia.

--
We've been together
Ohh, we've been together
But seperate's always better
when there's feelings involved

- A3K

Say 'I do' and kiss me quick
'Cause baby's on its way

- Dixie Chicks ("White Trash Wedding")

"Ignoramus6480" wrote in message
...
So, how is this diet working for you specifically. You mentioned that
you lost "12 lbs in a month" and then said that you have been
following this diet for 6 months. What is the total result for the 6
month period?

Good question. I didn't need to lose much weight at all. I've reached my
target
weight and it's been easy to maintain--as long as I don't deviate from the
diet.
I lost a total of twenty two pounds over a two year period that includes the
paleo period. The ten pounds I lost before going on the paleo were a result
of common sense diet changes such as no fried foods, smaller portions, no
eating after six pm etc.I know, however, that many people lose all the
weight
they need to with relative ease following the paleo principles.

Bryan



In article ,
wrote:

"Jefferson N. Glapski" wrote in
message s.com...
(snip)

Since many others have pointed out what you have
been doing wrong, I'll take the opportunity to share
a diet that has worked wonders for me and others.
First off, there is nothing terribly wrong with Atkins
or the South Beach etc--they work. But are they
the most healthy? A diet should not only help one
reach optimal weight, but also enhance and
strengthen the immune system and help one sleep
better, have more energy etc.

I've been on the paleolithic (or hunter-gatherer diet)
for almost six months. The key insight into this diet
is that for the vast majority of our evolutionary history
as proto-humans and homo sapiens we ate a diet
rich in animal protein, vegetables, fruits, nuts and
seeds. Eating grains began approximately 10,000
years ago. There is much evidence that many health
problems can be traced to this momentus change.
As hunter-gatherers we didn't eat dairy, salt (or certainly
not in the quantities humans eat now), refined sugar,
fried foods and so forth. We got all our carbs from
fruits and veggies. Tons of protein from meat, fish,
seeds and nuts.

If one eats as our ancestors did, the benefits will
be seen very quickly. I lost 12 pounds in a month
and gained muscle mass. I sleep better and I haven't
been sick since last year. I gave up beer, but hey,
I'm much more of a wine drinker anyway. Dinners
have become easier as we grill a lot more and eat
lots of salad and other veggies. If you can afford it,
buy clean sources of meat (organic, free-range, hormone
free etc.). Eat sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, brazil
nuts, walnuts. Eating nuts and seeds can significantly
lower your risk for certain cancers such as prostate.

The problem with Atkins as I see it, is that not enough
attention is paid to eating lots of fruits and vegetables.
This is the stuff that keeps one cancer free and one's
plumbing working properly. How healthy can a diet
be if you need to buy fiber products? (As many Atkins
people do.).

Check out these links:

www.paleolithicdiet.com

www.beyondveg.com

Every diet has a problem. By grilling your meat you are exposing yourself
to harmful carcinogens as well. Those hunter-gatherers weren't always in
good health either, often lacking in calcium especially which lead to a
lot of brittle bones and curved spines.


My philosophy is to eat what I like, but make sure that whatever it is
(bad or healthy) I consume in moderation. Moderation is the key. Combine
it with exercise (which you are espousing) and you'll be as healthy as you
can be, which might or might not be as healthy as the next guy for a whole
host of other reasons.


Dimitri

On 12/9/2003 2:22 PM, Branden Wolner wrote:
wrote in news:nEoBb.68327$A94.38109
@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com:


The problem with Atkins as I see it, is that not enough
attention is paid to eating lots of fruits and vegetables.
This is the stuff that keeps one cancer free and one's
plumbing working properly. How healthy can a diet
be if you need to buy fiber products? (As many Atkins
people do.).


The thing about fruit is that it's high in sugar. The idea behind Atkins
is to stay in roughly a ketotic state so your body preferentially uses
fats for energy. However, the diet you describe and Atkins are very
similar. Most vegies are "freebies" once you are past induction. They
simply don't have that many carbs. Same with nuts and seeds since fiber
carbs don't count. The primary goal of Atkins though is not weight loss -
it's controlling your blood sugar. Wild swings in blood sugar (ie from
eating a pound of pasta or a bag of potato chips) have serious
detrimental health effects. More importantly, latelife diabetes is
closely associated with high-carb diets. The American Diabetes Assc Diet
is very similar to both Atkins and Paleo and is also designed to control
glycemia.

The American Diabetes Association recommends

- 10 and 20% of your calories as protein
- 30% of calories from fat
- remaining calories from carbohydrate



--
jmk in NC

D. Gerasimatos wrote:

By grilling your meat you are exposing yourself
to harmful carcinogens as well.

Only if the meat is cured with nitrates/nitrites (which might
then create nitrosamines, which are the actual carcinogen).
Otherwise grilling is fine.

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In article ,
Reg wrote:
D. Gerasimatos wrote:

By grilling your meat you are exposing yourself
to harmful carcinogens as well.

Only if the meat is cured with nitrates/nitrites (which might
then create nitrosamines, which are the actual carcinogen).
Otherwise grilling is fine.


What about heterocyclic amines? These are formed from creatinine in
the meat and it doesn't matter if the meat was cured or not.


Dimitri

D. Gerasimatos wrote:

What about heterocyclic amines? These are formed from creatinine in
the meat and it doesn't matter if the meat was cured or not.

It's my understanding that the amount of these compounds contained in
a reasonable intake of grilled red meat is well within safe limits.
Do you have a reference that might indicate otherwise?

I make this request respectfully and non-argumentatively With
all the sparring and ****ing contests on usenet every now and then
someone shows you some good, usable information. My eyes are open.

--
Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com

Branden Wolner wrote in message
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"Terri Hayes" wrote in
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Branden Wolner wrote in message
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"Terri Hayes" wrote in
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Branden Wolner wrote in message
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"Jefferson N. Glapski" wrote
in s.com:

So I started this low carb diet, and I like to have a few beers
every night. I started drinking low-carb Amstel Light, which
only has a few grams of carbs. I drink about 8 beers a night,
which keeps me in the induction stage of Atkins. I've been
eating lots of eggs, cheese, meat with my beer, but I have
gained 9 lbs over the past week. I don't understand what is the
matter. I've limited my carbs to 24 grams per day. Has anyone
experienced similar problems? I am thinking of switching to the
Zone or maybe another diet that would let me drink more beer
because Atkins doesn't seem to work.


I lost 20 pounds in 6 weeks on Atkins. I am in "lifetime
maintainance" now and I figure I eat about 200 grams of carbs a
day. I eat cereal, rice, drink scotch and have ice cream. I've
been at about 200 grams for about 8 weeks and I haven't gained
anything back. I went hog-wild over thanksgiving and ate half a
box of godiva chocolates. I gained all of 3 pounds which I lost 3
days later.

Maybe you should get off your fat ass a little and work out.

Donut be disparaging my friend... it is a known fact that Jefferson
is HAWT.

Please. I've seen his picture on his website. You are either blind,
sick or demented.

Well, not blind, but I'll give ya the other two... but you listen to
the Dixie Chicks, so you must be demented.
Prevent inbreeding.... ban *certain* country musicians.

While I agree 100% with the very last sentiment, I suspect our lists
would differ. Did you read the lyrics? The title of the song?

Oh... I thought that was an excerpt from your wedding vows... my bad. :-)

Uhhhh... where's your GIFS, Mr.Critic?

Send me yours and I'll send you mine.

Google is your friend. I *have* to ask to retain my coveted title.

Terri
RSFC's Official GIF Getter
1-800-KICKUGA

attention is paid to eating lots of fruits and vegetables.
This is the stuff that keeps one cancer free and one's
plumbing working properly. How healthy can a diet
be if you need to buy fiber products? (As many Atkins
people do.).

I see this as mostly incorrect. My daily consumption of vegies on
atkins-like LC diet went up three or four times since I have started.

I think that most people wrongly judge the diet because of that "eggs
and bacon" label. But that is mostly inaccurate. Yes, I eat eggs and
bacon (sometimes), I may eat _slightly_ more meat and fermented dairy,
but I definitely eat _much_ more green veggies now - without breat,
pasta and potatoes, my tastes are naturaly driven this way.

Mirek