Darn!! Up TWO pounds???

This is my point. If you desire, or need to snack I see no reason not to,
just accommodate it and go for it, if you cut out say two or three points at
one meal and replaced the volume with more zero point stuff then you cold
have your cake and eat it too. Lee
Fred wrote in message
...
Well, I think that I like or maybe it is just habituated to eating a
few larger meals and find them satisfying but maybe they could be
shrunk just a notch here or there. I know there have been days when I
have had only half a sweetpotato because I realized I did not want the
whole thing (I tend to get pretty good sized ones). But if I could
make that more routine - half a potato and maybe a slice less lamb or
a few less shrimp. I know I have tended to cut the points of bread by
going with different ones. so there are ways to still shrink the main
meals.

And I'm not even aiming to use this to lower weight anymore - just to
accommodate snacking since I think it is an inevitable NEED????

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:22:57 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

Fred this interesting to me, it goes back to my bedtime snack issue.
When I
started I tried to cut out the bedtime eating with disasters results. I
found myself waking up in front of the frig with food in my hand, never
had
that happen before. Now I determined that there is type of food, fruit
rather than cheese say, then there is portion, a cup of pasta rather than
say, three, then there is patterns, 3 meals and 2 snacks, one large meal
with smaller snacks, and me, snacks all the time with a few large meals
during the week. I figured out portions weren't a big deal, fruit is
just,
well almost as desirable as cheese, and I also figured that the pattern
really couldn't be changed. I eat every hour or two I have just learned
to
have 2 to 5 points at a time instead of 10 to 30. I think this is why
things are working for me. Lee
Fred wrote in message
.. .


On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:37:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Yup, saving money would be nice ... daughter is pushing for one of the
newer
models though. Hers is the lowest storage size and she would like to
increase it.
We're into negotiations right now. G

GGGGGGGG. Bring in the Teamsters

I feel for your scale woes, am sure mine aren't going to be nice this
week. I
don't know what's gotten into me but I feel like I've done nothing but
eat, eat,
eat. Yesterday was better under control, but not enough to make up
for
the
week-end. Sigh

I am beginning to wonder if maybe I should try cutting down meals a
bit (half a sweet potato or less shrimp) and save the points for
junk??? (G) Shrink that pastrami sandwich a bit (have them cut in
1/3's rather than half. Ideas like that.


Joyce

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:22:05 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Well, if you can save some $$ on the ipod replacement = that would be
nice. I think that there was a review of a newer, smaller model the
other day.

The ski trip was not perfect (G) But it was nice being out and I did
not break or twist anything.

The scale this morning was NOT pleasant - Lesanne will almost
certainly win and I will lose (well, not weight)

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:47:56 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks for the info, I hadn't heard of the suits. I won't be
joining,
I'm not a
suing type of personality. I do see where they have a program of
sorts
in
operation though. $99 plus shipping and they replace your ipod with
a
current
model (probably refurbished) with a working battery. It isn't the
best
option,
but is an option. I do wish they would have made these batteries
easier to
replace on your own. I found directions, but they look very
confusing.
It might
be the perfect job for my electrician brother though. G

Hope you had a wonderful ski trip! I DID make it back to the
treadmill, felt
sooooooo wonderful ... and again this morning. I think I'm trying
valiantly to do
damage control ... week-end has been totally out of control and
character for me.
Ah well, there's always next week. G

Joyce

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:25:05 -0800, Fred
wrote:

I've read about bad batteries on the ipods and a potential class
action suit.

Heading off skiing (just finished the oatmeal - down for the
sardines...)..............

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:38:13 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm hopeful, guess it all depends on him and how bad he wants it -
right?
Financing options have changed a bit ... meaning mom and dad will
not
foot the
entire bill now until he proves to us that he does want the
education. Did the
same for his older sis, he doesn't get special treatment. Mom is
tough, but also
a firm believer that kids will think twice about wasting their own
hard earned
money. G His friends are also going to college locally - one in
a
local 4 yr.
school, another at the jr. college. It isn't uncommon here
either,
our jr.
college's enrollment has reached the 30,000 student status - which
seems very
large to me. Years ago it was ranked as one of the top jr.
colleges
in the
nation. Not sure where it ranks now, but will make the assumption
that it still
is good. But again, you're going to get out of it what you put
into
it. Time
will tell. He does seem a bit more enthused than I have seen him
before, is
enrolled now and can register officially for classes next Friday.
He
has several
classes jotted down that he wants to take, says he can't believe
how
many choices
are available here, as compared to where he was going. But yes,
what
he is going
through is nothing new ... to anyone. I seem to remember having a
difficult time
myself - then decided college just wasn't the answer for me. Back
*then*,
companies were very willing to train on the job. It's a much
different world
today. G

As exciting as my life is, I think I could stand to add a few new
toys. Might
push the *who's on top* highlight down a few pegs. G I was
looking on amazon,
prices don't really look too bad. Think I will have to make a
stop
into a local
store though and get some answers as to what exactly I will need
and
what will
work with minimal changes/effect to my existing setup. It may
have
to wait a bit
- just found out this evening that daughters IPod died a sudden
death. There's
another $400 I hadn't counted on. sigh

I've avoided the meringues today, but did feel the necessity to
finally have
another mudslide. G Back to back high point days ... probably
not
a good plan,
but I'll live through it. Back on the treadmill tomorrow, no
excuses
, no
procrastination. That and the normal 20 loads of laundry that are
still awaiting
me. I wish I could blame my lack of ambition on a cold or another
illness, but
alas - it's just me in a bad funk. This too shall pass, and soon
I
hope.

I don't avoid pasta, but usually have it at home where I can
control
things
better. I have become used to the wheat pasta, have learned to
cook
it a bit
longer and then the texture seems better to me. But ... I caved
last
nite.
Journalled it all, over 7 points for the day - not good but sure
have
seen worse.
G Normally if I know I'm doing the pasta thing, I will cover
for
it elsewhere -
this was just one of those days where it sprang up as a surprise.
Kind of like
dinner this evening. Last minute hub decided he wanted pizza.
sigh

Joyce

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:43:56 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Hope the local college works out for him. I will not admit to
having
to feel my way in my second semester way back when. But it
worked
out. At least, I think it did (G) I went to college from home -
all
in NYC and environs. Many of us stayed local since it was
reasonaby
priced (like FREE) and a good (back then) education.

Toys are what keep life exciting - no? Oh, maybe that was
financially
broke - well, one or the other. The wireless has dropped
substantially in price - really.

Miss Meringues are sitting here now. Dessert after my pickled
herring
sandwich. Waiting for a friend to call and up or down on a bike
ride.
We are trying to decide if we are willing to possibly get rained
on!
(G) Should have gone skiing but with a cold I figured I would
wait
another day. (aside, we just decided to go for it! )

I still have avoided pasta - pretty much since I started WW. I
did
do
the buckwheat noodles about 3 months ago with a then Atkins
friends.
She has since abandoned food to lose weight! (G)

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:17:16 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks again. Not sure if we are terrific, maybe more like
jekyll
and hyde? g
We have that tendency to go ballistic when alone (or with each
other) then calm
down when the kids are around ... able to talk more reason into
each other. Once
the smoke has cleared, we seem to be able to better cope. Thank
heavens the kids
see very little of the smoke. G I remember never being
allowed
to make my own
decisions, or if I did I was always told they were wrong - have
sworn that I would
not do that to my kids. It has taken me most of my life to
overcome the lack of
confidence in myself. So if they make mistakes, they make
mistakes. As long as
they learn from them, I figure it turns out ok. And dear ol'
sonny
boy is such a
complex being - hard for me to figure him out. The boy just had
a
rough year,
advisor from hell who set him back a few paces and he never took
the initiative to
fight her. Ah well, live and learn. What I find is very funny
(again, my warped
sense of humor) is that the local college was our first choice
for
him - as he is
such a homebody and really didn't know what he wanted to do. So
again, his choice
to venture off, - and now it's his choice to return.

The treadmill is what is pushing me to look into the wireless
....
just another
gimick, another toy. And you know how I love my toys! Working
from the couch
would be *ok*, but definitely not a necessity - and not
interested
enough to make
me run out and investigate how much the option would cost me.
For
the purpose of
amusement though ......... hehehe.

Still no more mudslides here. I keep looking at the bottle, but
haven't really
had the desire to venture to it. I really am not much of a
drinker. And
yesterday I really overdid things. Waited much too long for
dinner
(7:30pm) and
was absolutely starving. Did the carry-in thing, pasta - not
the
best choice and
very large serving ... which I ate in entirety. Probably 20
points
worth for
dinner alone. Added a skinny cow sandwich later in the evening.
Went out for
lunch, but at least did keep that at fish and veggies. STILL -
was
a much heavier
day than I've had in a long time. Why is it that there are just
*those days*
where you are hungry no matter what you eat or what you do (or
what
you don't do)?

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:31:49 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Well, it sounds like mom and dad are terrific parents providing
a
supportive home and allowing the kids to make their own
decisions.
I
am sure it will work out. Sometimes college is overwhelming
and
like
WW, you can get back in the game when the time is right. The
local
option may work best for now.

Working wirelessly from out in the yard (not for months yet if
you
can
see the screen) or from the dining room or fireplace is neat
but
we
can get too spoiled, too. But exploiting the treadmill's
interactive
or download features would push me (G) Another TOY!

No, no mudslides - just way too many meringues - I need to
retake
the
environment issue. I've been bringing home too much tempting
JUNK.
And eating it. But I did well with the leg of lamb. Carved it
last
night into 2.5 - 3.0 oz servings and froze it after eating a
bit
too
much wonderful "crust" the first night.

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:17:40 -0600, Joyce
wrote:

Thanks Fred. Might not have worked out the way dad and I
would
prefer - but it
really isn't our choice - the kid needs to be happy, it's his
life. He called me
while I was in the oral surgeons, as he was headed back to
college to talk to his
professor. Asked me if he should just withdraw as long as he
was
there. Once
again I told him I would not make that decision, he had our
blessing no matter
what he decided ... as well as a home to come to. I guess I
look
at things oddly
... would hate to have any of my children think there problems
are so huge that
there is no possible way out other than a *forever* choice ...
and seems to be
quite a few that do end up thinking that. Soooo - he is home
now, registering for
classes at the local college tomorrow - while he sorts things
out. When he came
back home, I couldn't believe how much more relaxed he looked
already - finally
looked like he at least had some life in him. He's 19, still
has
a lot of growin'
up left in him. G

Thanks for the network info. I also checked with a friend of
my
sons, he pretty
much confirmed what you said. If I recall correctly, he said
something about
purchasing a router that had maybe one wireless port but also
had
several wired
ports (or hubs or whatever???) .. then run the laptops off the
wireless. It's a
thought, and I would enjoy being able to work on a computer
from
the dining room,
or family room ... without stringing temp cords all over the
house. One more
thing for me to think about. You know how I feel about
thinking! sigh

Did you find the mudslides? I haven't indulged in any more
lately ... just might
have to move in that direction tomorrow though. It's sounding
pretty danged good!

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:22:53 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Don't slip on too much mudslide. Glad to hear things are
sorting out.

I am not a network expert if there are such people these days
but I
think you could link a desktop with a wired network to a
laptop
with
wireless and work with the type systems. But as you say, it
probably
is not that important. I do enjoy the wireless laptop
downstairs
beside the fireplace.

Take care and I will have to find mudslide - hmmm, maybe on
the
lunch
time walk in the predicted sunshine I can get to the state
liquor
store (G)

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:30:17 -0600, Joyce
wrote:

Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and
healthy,
which is what is
important. As I told my older brother this week-end ...
just
another one of those
freakin' growth experiences. G Then I told hub I lived
through it with my older
brother, lived through it myself, we lived through it with
our
oldest girl ...
will live through this current bout and then just think ...
only one more to make
it through! G It's just the emotions that are totally
shot
right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't
think
I've talked to a
single person who has had good experiences with them. And
if I
did put one in,
would I then have to disconnect my normal network ... or
would
I be able to pick
and choose when I wanted to use the wireless? I am just not
thinking clearly
right now, probably not the best time to venture into this
project. G

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and
don't foresee being
able to for the next few days ... definitely not tomorrow
anyway ... well ...
maybe by dinnertime? sigh Littlest daughter is having 2
teeth pulled in the
morning, in order to have braces put on. She is my worrier,
timid little sould
that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a
general anesthetic -
which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her
make
this call (I just
get to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch
her sister for a bit
while I go to traffic court with hub. Hopefully have some
answers from sonny boy
in there somewhere. Gonna be another one of those long
days,
but hey! I got me a
whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ... makes for an
easy
dinner. G

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:32:41 -0800, Fred
wrote:

First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with
the
internet
in the darn basement - that's no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from
biking on
saturday and skiing on sunday (g)

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce
wrote:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the
internet
access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about
trying
to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the
incline
down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a
slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of
hitting
them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no
treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation
now
has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers
on
Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on
the
newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the
treadmill
while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain
of
approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time.
15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the
slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce
wrote:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the
burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a
dvd
player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom
that
can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ...
making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I
still
overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines
and
see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now
know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much
need
to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had
to
throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the
fan
on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to
be
hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional
programming
and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables
through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up,
and
get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery
settings. And through the
website it will also automatically
control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even
realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean"
wrote:

I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you
"know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for
the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod552 ...
I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from
you
throughout the
week.
Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so,
your
muscles are more
than
likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress
on
them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on
occassion when I try to
push
too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to
let
go of the water,
took me
a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the
bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day,
at
a pace of 2MPH.
This is a
great start, won't totally burn you out from
overdoing
in the beginning.
Then I
read that you added the incline into the routine
already. Myself, I would
work on
the distance and speed first ... start gradually
increasing the incline
when you
can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I
think
I read somewhere
recently
that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH
and
3.5 MPH - not too
sure of
that though. The incline is a great workout, I love
it
myself - but I
also didn't
add it until I was consistently up in speed and
duration, as I felt it was
tougher
on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on
to
fluids???), thus
causing
me to tire out faster. I've been working on the
treadmill for many months
now,
walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ...
and
I tell ya, I start
feeling
it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start
declining the incline
and
immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could
work a few days at
your 2MPH
level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the
speed
by .1 or .2 MPH
(I'm making
the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ...
fan
and all) - go for
another
few days and up the speed again. If you keep the
length
of time the same,
you
will notice you are walking a bit further each day.
You
will still get
the same
benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring
yourself in the early
stages -
which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough
stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"

wrote:

HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed
out!

LOL! And we can't stop either one from happening. Puberty isn't fun, but I think
you have a few years yet before you have to worry. And you can always hope that
your son is a bit late. g I remember seeing my son staring at those girls too,
but I never knew why he was staring ... maybe he thought they were wearing goofy
clothing? Grin I was lucky though, he was shy enough that he didn't act on
anything until he was much older. He made it through highschool, never had an
official girlfriend so didn't go through all those lovely teenage headaches. Now
the girlfriends are hanging around, but at least he is more mature and able to
handle the emotional baggage that comes along with them. Youngest daughter in an
entirely different story. sigh

Joyce

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:24:49 -0500, Connie wrote:

You're not ready for a quiet house and I'm not ready for puberty but
they're both coming (like it or not). I caught Murdock staring at a girl
the other day...OMG he's only 10 ... it can't be happening yet ... can
it? He just blushed and looked away. ;-)

Connie

Joyce wrote:
Yup, and when you think you have it all figured out the kids go and change the
rules on you. G I'm becoming so much closer to a new stage in my life. Still
parenting, probably always will be regardless as to the age of my kids. But more
and more hub and I are finding ourselves home alone ... both kids off and running
in the evenings, have their own plans, own lives. Meal plans are difficult at
best, never knowing who will be around, IF anyone. I'm guessing this is supposed
to be our preparation for the inevitable. I'm not quite ready for this totally
quiet house ... even though I do like my quiet time. g

Joyce

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:01:24 -0500, Connie wrote:


I'm learning something about parenting all the time. It sure is
experimental.

Connie

Joyce wrote:

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Connie. I tell my kids they are just guinea
pigs ... parenting is purely an experimental process. G We do try hard though,
not much more we can do than that ... right?

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:37:15 -0500, Connie wrote:



Joyce, you sound like a really great mom!! Keep up the good work!!

Connie

Joyce wrote:


Thanks PR. So far he seems ok to me, has some spark back in his eyes and a new
plan of attack. At least he now sees there are still options in his life, this
does not make him a failure. Tomorrow (Friday) he is registering for classes at
the local college, keep him going while giving him some time to sort things out
also. Guess he at least feels better knowing he would be allowed to make whatever
decision he felt was best for HIM, and mom/dad weren't going to beat him up over
it. He is 19, has a whole lot of time ahead of him to figure things out. G

Daughter came through the teeth pulling like a trooper - did beg for more than
just a local anesthetic though. I took her to the oral surgeon I have been to, is
a wonderfully gentle and caring man. He told her she could ABSOLUTELY have
whatever she felt was needed, no way did he want her fearing or feeling pain or
any nervousness. She finally opted for a little bit of gas along with the local.
I could deal with that a lot better than the thought of the general anesthetic.
She didn't seem to have much pain, was taking some motrin though ... but thinks it
was more for the discomfort of the seperators that had also been put into her
teeth. Today no motrin, so she must be feeling much better.

I'm breathing, I'm breathing! Things have calmed down now, crisis appears to have
passed. G

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:40:16 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:




Sounds like your son's in the middle of a major life crisis. I truly
hope he comes through this whole, which most likely he will with you
in his corner. I'm sorry you're having to suffer his anxiety as well.

I feel for your daughter. Having braces put on is what turned me into
a confirmed dentalphobe. Now I ask for general anesthetic every time I
get my teeth cleaned; I settle for valium. Course if it was my
daughter asking for general anesthetic, I'd be nervous.G

I hope your day went better than it sounded in advance. Things can
only look UP, right?! Take a few minutes for yourself, and remember to
breathe.

Prairie Roots

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:18:30 -0600, Joyce wrote:




Thanks PR. Todays plan of attack blew out the window ... along with yesterdays
*good* set of answers. sigh Tomorrow is another day, a few other options, then
time to make some informed decisions.

Nothing overly major in the grand scheme of things, just blips in the road. Son
hadn't been doing well in college all year, grades dropped horrendously but he had
said nothing. We worried quietly here at home, while he tried valiantly to dig
himself out. Turns out he was given a bunch of bad information from his advisor
and baseball coach ... took a class he had no need to take ... entire grade turned
out to be based solely on final exam, which turned out to be an oral resume and
job interview that was drawn out of a hat when he entered the class for the exam
(he drew a career he knew absolutely nothing about) ... failed thus making him
ineligible for baseball. In the grand scheme of things this is really unimportant
... to him it is the world and he is currently shattered. He has had the carrot
dangled in front of his nose, so to speak - had pro scouts talking to him the last
few months, telling him at this given moment he has a 1:4 chance of being drafted
- not great but still not bad for a 19 year old. BUT he says needs to play for it
to happen, and it is his dream. So what do we do? Tell him to give up his dream?
I think dreams are what keep us going, keep us alive - I hate to just tell him to
quit and grow up aleady. So this week-end he has been investigating transferring
schools. Yesterday he was all set up, went to register today only to be told that
the school he is currently at has a wierd class schedule which has made him
ineligible for transferring deadlines (current college is just starting a new
term, whereas other colleges are much further along already). It also explains
why his current school has so many transferring IN at this time of year. My heart
once again broke for him today when he came home, he looked so darned defeated.
He is kicking himself for not saying anything to us over the holidays, he didn't
want to let us down. which he never would anyway

Had another heart to heart with him this afternoon, told him if he is really that
unhappy where he is at, then maybe consider transferring into the local jr.
college during spring quarter ... take some time to make a decision for next year.
Does it make sense for him to stick it out where he is currently at, only to not
go back next year anyway? So tomorrow morning he is back to the jr. college to
talk to the coach there, see if maybe he can even just work out with the team
while attending classes ... talk to one other school in the area .... then back to
current school to see if he can sweet talk his professor into giving him an
incomplete (probably not, is a first year teacher who appears to be in
authoratative mode). At least by knowing *answers* hopefully he can make an
informed decision and hopefully become more relaxed and happy.

I'm out bright and early tomorrow morning with daughter, she has to have 2 teeth
pulled for braces ... then afternoon in traffic court with hubby who hit a woman
who was backing down a one way street ... it's gonna be another one of those
looooooooong days. sigh I am incredibly tired, yet can't sleep.

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:05:29 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:




I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping that all works out well.
Peace be with you.

Prairie Roots
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:




I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:




Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:




hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:




I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod55271c ...



I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the

week.



Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more

than



likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to

push



too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,

took me



a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.

This is a



great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.

Then I



read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would

work on



the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline

when you



can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere

recently



that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too

sure of



that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I

also didn't



add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was

tougher



on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus

causing



me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months

now,



walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start

feeling



it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline

and



immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at

your 2MPH



level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH

(I'm making



the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for

another



few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,

you



will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get

the same



benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early

stages -



which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"

wrote:



HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:29:15 -0800, Fred wrote:



On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:37:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Yup, saving money would be nice ... daughter is pushing for one of the newer
models though. Hers is the lowest storage size and she would like to increase it.
We're into negotiations right now. G

GGGGGGGG. Bring in the Teamsters

Oh, now that's a dirty word! I was raised by a teamster dad, brother is a
teamster, hub is the only one who isn't - yet he carries teamster insurance. Go
figure. LOL! I have a feeling daughter may win on this one, just not today. I'm
broke. Paid the entire braces fee in one shot (because orthodontist would give me
a 4% discount if I did ... and you know how much I like a bargain). Came home and
found the auto insurance bill in the mailbox. sigh


I feel for your scale woes, am sure mine aren't going to be nice this week. I
don't know what's gotten into me but I feel like I've done nothing but eat, eat,
eat. Yesterday was better under control, but not enough to make up for the
week-end. Sigh

I am beginning to wonder if maybe I should try cutting down meals a
bit (half a sweet potato or less shrimp) and save the points for
junk??? (G) Shrink that pastrami sandwich a bit (have them cut in
1/3's rather than half. Ideas like that.

I may have to do the same, at least temporarily to get me over the hump. I've
noticed this week it is the snacks that are pushing me over the edge. Normally
they haven't been too much of a problem, but for some reason this week is causing
me fits. I don't know how much I can scale them back though. Dinner is about the
only possibility. Lunch and breakfast are already about as low as I care to go.
I am afraid cutting any lower and it will only be pushing me into more snacks ...
kind of a double edged sword. Or ... I will have to really rein in the evening
munchies. Or ... kill off that damn bottle of Mudslides that is still in the
fridge. It's almost empty. G

Joyce



On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:22:05 -0800, Fred wrote:

Well, if you can save some $$ on the ipod replacement = that would be
nice. I think that there was a review of a newer, smaller model the
other day.

The ski trip was not perfect (G) But it was nice being out and I did
not break or twist anything.

The scale this morning was NOT pleasant - Lesanne will almost
certainly win and I will lose (well, not weight)

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:47:56 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks for the info, I hadn't heard of the suits. I won't be joining, I'm not a
suing type of personality. I do see where they have a program of sorts in
operation though. $99 plus shipping and they replace your ipod with a current
model (probably refurbished) with a working battery. It isn't the best option,
but is an option. I do wish they would have made these batteries easier to
replace on your own. I found directions, but they look very confusing. It might
be the perfect job for my electrician brother though. G

Hope you had a wonderful ski trip! I DID make it back to the treadmill, felt
sooooooo wonderful ... and again this morning. I think I'm trying valiantly to do
damage control ... week-end has been totally out of control and character for me.
Ah well, there's always next week. G

Joyce

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:25:05 -0800, Fred wrote:

I've read about bad batteries on the ipods and a potential class
action suit.

Heading off skiing (just finished the oatmeal - down for the
sardines...)..............

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:38:13 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm hopeful, guess it all depends on him and how bad he wants it - right?
Financing options have changed a bit ... meaning mom and dad will not foot the
entire bill now until he proves to us that he does want the education. Did the
same for his older sis, he doesn't get special treatment. Mom is tough, but also
a firm believer that kids will think twice about wasting their own hard earned
money. G His friends are also going to college locally - one in a local 4 yr.
school, another at the jr. college. It isn't uncommon here either, our jr.
college's enrollment has reached the 30,000 student status - which seems very
large to me. Years ago it was ranked as one of the top jr. colleges in the
nation. Not sure where it ranks now, but will make the assumption that it still
is good. But again, you're going to get out of it what you put into it. Time
will tell. He does seem a bit more enthused than I have seen him before, is
enrolled now and can register officially for classes next Friday. He has several
classes jotted down that he wants to take, says he can't believe how many choices
are available here, as compared to where he was going. But yes, what he is going
through is nothing new ... to anyone. I seem to remember having a difficult time
myself - then decided college just wasn't the answer for me. Back *then*,
companies were very willing to train on the job. It's a much different world
today. G

As exciting as my life is, I think I could stand to add a few new toys. Might
push the *who's on top* highlight down a few pegs. G I was looking on amazon,
prices don't really look too bad. Think I will have to make a stop into a local
store though and get some answers as to what exactly I will need and what will
work with minimal changes/effect to my existing setup. It may have to wait a bit
- just found out this evening that daughters IPod died a sudden death. There's
another $400 I hadn't counted on. sigh

I've avoided the meringues today, but did feel the necessity to finally have
another mudslide. G Back to back high point days ... probably not a good plan,
but I'll live through it. Back on the treadmill tomorrow, no excuses, no
procrastination. That and the normal 20 loads of laundry that are still awaiting
me. I wish I could blame my lack of ambition on a cold or another illness, but
alas - it's just me in a bad funk. This too shall pass, and soon I hope.

I don't avoid pasta, but usually have it at home where I can control things
better. I have become used to the wheat pasta, have learned to cook it a bit
longer and then the texture seems better to me. But ... I caved last nite.
Journalled it all, over 7 points for the day - not good but sure have seen worse.
G Normally if I know I'm doing the pasta thing, I will cover for it elsewhere -
this was just one of those days where it sprang up as a surprise. Kind of like
dinner this evening. Last minute hub decided he wanted pizza. sigh

Joyce

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:43:56 -0800, Fred wrote:

Hope the local college works out for him. I will not admit to having
to feel my way in my second semester way back when. But it worked
out. At least, I think it did (G) I went to college from home - all
in NYC and environs. Many of us stayed local since it was reasonaby
priced (like FREE) and a good (back then) education.

Toys are what keep life exciting - no? Oh, maybe that was financially
broke - well, one or the other. The wireless has dropped
substantially in price - really.

Miss Meringues are sitting here now. Dessert after my pickled herring
sandwich. Waiting for a friend to call and up or down on a bike ride.
We are trying to decide if we are willing to possibly get rained on!
(G) Should have gone skiing but with a cold I figured I would wait
another day. (aside, we just decided to go for it! )

I still have avoided pasta - pretty much since I started WW. I did do
the buckwheat noodles about 3 months ago with a then Atkins friends.
She has since abandoned food to lose weight! (G)

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:17:16 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks again. Not sure if we are terrific, maybe more like jekyll and hyde? g
We have that tendency to go ballistic when alone (or with each other) then calm
down when the kids are around ... able to talk more reason into each other. Once
the smoke has cleared, we seem to be able to better cope. Thank heavens the kids
see very little of the smoke. G I remember never being allowed to make my own
decisions, or if I did I was always told they were wrong - have sworn that I would
not do that to my kids. It has taken me most of my life to overcome the lack of
confidence in myself. So if they make mistakes, they make mistakes. As long as
they learn from them, I figure it turns out ok. And dear ol' sonny boy is such a
complex being - hard for me to figure him out. The boy just had a rough year,
advisor from hell who set him back a few paces and he never took the initiative to
fight her. Ah well, live and learn. What I find is very funny (again, my warped
sense of humor) is that the local college was our first choice for him - as he is
such a homebody and really didn't know what he wanted to do. So again, his choice
to venture off, - and now it's his choice to return.

The treadmill is what is pushing me to look into the wireless ... just another
gimick, another toy. And you know how I love my toys! Working from the couch
would be *ok*, but definitely not a necessity - and not interested enough to make
me run out and investigate how much the option would cost me. For the purpose of
amusement though ......... hehehe.

Still no more mudslides here. I keep looking at the bottle, but haven't really
had the desire to venture to it. I really am not much of a drinker. And
yesterday I really overdid things. Waited much too long for dinner (7:30pm) and
was absolutely starving. Did the carry-in thing, pasta - not the best choice and
very large serving ... which I ate in entirety. Probably 20 points worth for
dinner alone. Added a skinny cow sandwich later in the evening. Went out for
lunch, but at least did keep that at fish and veggies. STILL - was a much heavier
day than I've had in a long time. Why is it that there are just *those days*
where you are hungry no matter what you eat or what you do (or what you don't do)?

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:31:49 -0800, Fred wrote:

Well, it sounds like mom and dad are terrific parents providing a
supportive home and allowing the kids to make their own decisions. I
am sure it will work out. Sometimes college is overwhelming and like
WW, you can get back in the game when the time is right. The local
option may work best for now.

Working wirelessly from out in the yard (not for months yet if you can
see the screen) or from the dining room or fireplace is neat but we
can get too spoiled, too. But exploiting the treadmill's interactive
or download features would push me (G) Another TOY!

No, no mudslides - just way too many meringues - I need to retake the
environment issue. I've been bringing home too much tempting JUNK.
And eating it. But I did well with the leg of lamb. Carved it last
night into 2.5 - 3.0 oz servings and froze it after eating a bit too
much wonderful "crust" the first night.

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:17:40 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Might not have worked out the way dad and I would prefer - but it
really isn't our choice - the kid needs to be happy, it's his life. He called me
while I was in the oral surgeons, as he was headed back to college to talk to his
professor. Asked me if he should just withdraw as long as he was there. Once
again I told him I would not make that decision, he had our blessing no matter
what he decided ... as well as a home to come to. I guess I look at things oddly
... would hate to have any of my children think there problems are so huge that
there is no possible way out other than a *forever* choice ... and seems to be
quite a few that do end up thinking that. Soooo - he is home now, registering for
classes at the local college tomorrow - while he sorts things out. When he came
back home, I couldn't believe how much more relaxed he looked already - finally
looked like he at least had some life in him. He's 19, still has a lot of growin'
up left in him. G

Thanks for the network info. I also checked with a friend of my sons, he pretty
much confirmed what you said. If I recall correctly, he said something about
purchasing a router that had maybe one wireless port but also had several wired
ports (or hubs or whatever???) .. then run the laptops off the wireless. It's a
thought, and I would enjoy being able to work on a computer from the dining room,
or family room ... without stringing temp cords all over the house. One more
thing for me to think about. You know how I feel about thinking! sigh

Did you find the mudslides? I haven't indulged in any more lately ... just might
have to move in that direction tomorrow though. It's sounding pretty danged good!

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:22:53 -0800, Fred wrote:

Don't slip on too much mudslide. Glad to hear things are sorting out.

I am not a network expert if there are such people these days but I
think you could link a desktop with a wired network to a laptop with
wireless and work with the type systems. But as you say, it probably
is not that important. I do enjoy the wireless laptop downstairs
beside the fireplace.

Take care and I will have to find mudslide - hmmm, maybe on the lunch
time walk in the predicted sunshine I can get to the state liquor
store (G)

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:30:17 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy, which is what is
important. As I told my older brother this week-end ... just another one of those
freakin' growth experiences. G Then I told hub I lived through it with my older
brother, lived through it myself, we lived through it with our oldest girl ...
will live through this current bout and then just think ... only one more to make
it through! G It's just the emotions that are totally shot right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think I've talked to a
single person who has had good experiences with them. And if I did put one in,
would I then have to disconnect my normal network ... or would I be able to pick
and choose when I wanted to use the wireless? I am just not thinking clearly
right now, probably not the best time to venture into this project. G

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and don't foresee being
able to for the next few days ... definitely not tomorrow anyway ... well ...
maybe by dinnertime? sigh Littlest daughter is having 2 teeth pulled in the
morning, in order to have braces put on. She is my worrier, timid little sould
that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a general anesthetic -
which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make this call (I just
get to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch her sister for a bit
while I go to traffic court with hub. Hopefully have some answers from sonny boy
in there somewhere. Gonna be another one of those long days, but hey! I got me a
whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ... makes for an easy dinner. G

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:32:41 -0800, Fred wrote:

First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet
in the darn basement - that's no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on
saturday and skiing on sunday (g)

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:

I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod55 ...
I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
week.
Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
than
likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
push
too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
took me
a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
This is a
great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
Then I
read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
work on
the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
when you
can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
recently
that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
sure of
that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
also didn't
add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
tougher
on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
causing
me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
now,
walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
feeling
it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
and
immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
your 2MPH
level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
(I'm making
the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
another
few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
you
will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
the same
benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
stages -
which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"
wrote:

HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:16:51 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:29:15 -0800, Fred wrote:



On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:37:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Yup, saving money would be nice ... daughter is pushing for one of the newer
models though. Hers is the lowest storage size and she would like to increase it.
We're into negotiations right now. G

GGGGGGGG. Bring in the Teamsters

Oh, now that's a dirty word! I was raised by a teamster dad, brother is a
teamster, hub is the only one who isn't - yet he carries teamster insurance. Go
figure. LOL! I have a feeling daughter may win on this one, just not today. I'm
broke. Paid the entire braces fee in one shot (because orthodontist would give me
a 4% discount if I did ... and you know how much I like a bargain). Came home and
found the auto insurance bill in the mailbox. sigh

Oh, yeah, I've had months like that, too. Last year, suddenly the
dental insurance did not cover the extra dental visits - which is odd.
Clearly, the dentist jacks up the routine cleaning stuff to take
advantage of our insurance so that if you have a filling, well, wow,
sorry but you don't have enough coverage for that. Find her an old
transitor radio at a thrift shop for the interim (g)

I feel for your scale woes, am sure mine aren't going to be nice this week. I
don't know what's gotten into me but I feel like I've done nothing but eat, eat,
eat. Yesterday was better under control, but not enough to make up for the
week-end. Sigh

I am beginning to wonder if maybe I should try cutting down meals a
bit (half a sweet potato or less shrimp) and save the points for
junk??? (G) Shrink that pastrami sandwich a bit (have them cut in
1/3's rather than half. Ideas like that.

I may have to do the same, at least temporarily to get me over the hump. I've
noticed this week it is the snacks that are pushing me over the edge. Normally
they haven't been too much of a problem, but for some reason this week is causing
me fits. I don't know how much I can scale them back though. Dinner is about the
only possibility. Lunch and breakfast are already about as low as I care to go.
I am afraid cutting any lower and it will only be pushing me into more snacks ...
kind of a double edged sword. Or ... I will have to really rein in the evening
munchies. Or ... kill off that damn bottle of Mudslides that is still in the
fridge. It's almost empty. G

You may be right. Too little main course might lead to even more
snacking. The body may just want to hold at this weight. And maybe I
just need to cater to it. A WW leader who shall remain nameless has
suggested that my weekend's probably need more food. After all I am
not still burning off the self-storage points that use to gather
around my waist.

I may experiment a bit. I think the snacking was better last night -
that's two nights after the weekend. And I recall it was similar last
week. Or is it just that today is WI and my mind accepts LESS.

Joyce



On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:22:05 -0800, Fred wrote:

Well, if you can save some $$ on the ipod replacement = that would be
nice. I think that there was a review of a newer, smaller model the
other day.

The ski trip was not perfect (G) But it was nice being out and I did
not break or twist anything.

The scale this morning was NOT pleasant - Lesanne will almost
certainly win and I will lose (well, not weight)

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:47:56 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks for the info, I hadn't heard of the suits. I won't be joining, I'm not a
suing type of personality. I do see where they have a program of sorts in
operation though. $99 plus shipping and they replace your ipod with a current
model (probably refurbished) with a working battery. It isn't the best option,
but is an option. I do wish they would have made these batteries easier to
replace on your own. I found directions, but they look very confusing. It might
be the perfect job for my electrician brother though. G

Hope you had a wonderful ski trip! I DID make it back to the treadmill, felt
sooooooo wonderful ... and again this morning. I think I'm trying valiantly to do
damage control ... week-end has been totally out of control and character for me.
Ah well, there's always next week. G

Joyce

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:25:05 -0800, Fred wrote:

I've read about bad batteries on the ipods and a potential class
action suit.

Heading off skiing (just finished the oatmeal - down for the
sardines...)..............

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:38:13 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I'm hopeful, guess it all depends on him and how bad he wants it - right?
Financing options have changed a bit ... meaning mom and dad will not foot the
entire bill now until he proves to us that he does want the education. Did the
same for his older sis, he doesn't get special treatment. Mom is tough, but also
a firm believer that kids will think twice about wasting their own hard earned
money. G His friends are also going to college locally - one in a local 4 yr.
school, another at the jr. college. It isn't uncommon here either, our jr.
college's enrollment has reached the 30,000 student status - which seems very
large to me. Years ago it was ranked as one of the top jr. colleges in the
nation. Not sure where it ranks now, but will make the assumption that it still
is good. But again, you're going to get out of it what you put into it. Time
will tell. He does seem a bit more enthused than I have seen him before, is
enrolled now and can register officially for classes next Friday. He has several
classes jotted down that he wants to take, says he can't believe how many choices
are available here, as compared to where he was going. But yes, what he is going
through is nothing new ... to anyone. I seem to remember having a difficult time
myself - then decided college just wasn't the answer for me. Back *then*,
companies were very willing to train on the job. It's a much different world
today. G

As exciting as my life is, I think I could stand to add a few new toys. Might
push the *who's on top* highlight down a few pegs. G I was looking on amazon,
prices don't really look too bad. Think I will have to make a stop into a local
store though and get some answers as to what exactly I will need and what will
work with minimal changes/effect to my existing setup. It may have to wait a bit
- just found out this evening that daughters IPod died a sudden death. There's
another $400 I hadn't counted on. sigh

I've avoided the meringues today, but did feel the necessity to finally have
another mudslide. G Back to back high point days ... probably not a good plan,
but I'll live through it. Back on the treadmill tomorrow, no excuses, no
procrastination. That and the normal 20 loads of laundry that are still awaiting
me. I wish I could blame my lack of ambition on a cold or another illness, but
alas - it's just me in a bad funk. This too shall pass, and soon I hope.

I don't avoid pasta, but usually have it at home where I can control things
better. I have become used to the wheat pasta, have learned to cook it a bit
longer and then the texture seems better to me. But ... I caved last nite.
Journalled it all, over 7 points for the day - not good but sure have seen worse.
G Normally if I know I'm doing the pasta thing, I will cover for it elsewhere -
this was just one of those days where it sprang up as a surprise. Kind of like
dinner this evening. Last minute hub decided he wanted pizza. sigh

Joyce

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:43:56 -0800, Fred wrote:

Hope the local college works out for him. I will not admit to having
to feel my way in my second semester way back when. But it worked
out. At least, I think it did (G) I went to college from home - all
in NYC and environs. Many of us stayed local since it was reasonaby
priced (like FREE) and a good (back then) education.

Toys are what keep life exciting - no? Oh, maybe that was financially
broke - well, one or the other. The wireless has dropped
substantially in price - really.

Miss Meringues are sitting here now. Dessert after my pickled herring
sandwich. Waiting for a friend to call and up or down on a bike ride.
We are trying to decide if we are willing to possibly get rained on!
(G) Should have gone skiing but with a cold I figured I would wait
another day. (aside, we just decided to go for it! )

I still have avoided pasta - pretty much since I started WW. I did do
the buckwheat noodles about 3 months ago with a then Atkins friends.
She has since abandoned food to lose weight! (G)

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:17:16 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks again. Not sure if we are terrific, maybe more like jekyll and hyde? g
We have that tendency to go ballistic when alone (or with each other) then calm
down when the kids are around ... able to talk more reason into each other. Once
the smoke has cleared, we seem to be able to better cope. Thank heavens the kids
see very little of the smoke. G I remember never being allowed to make my own
decisions, or if I did I was always told they were wrong - have sworn that I would
not do that to my kids. It has taken me most of my life to overcome the lack of
confidence in myself. So if they make mistakes, they make mistakes. As long as
they learn from them, I figure it turns out ok. And dear ol' sonny boy is such a
complex being - hard for me to figure him out. The boy just had a rough year,
advisor from hell who set him back a few paces and he never took the initiative to
fight her. Ah well, live and learn. What I find is very funny (again, my warped
sense of humor) is that the local college was our first choice for him - as he is
such a homebody and really didn't know what he wanted to do. So again, his choice
to venture off, - and now it's his choice to return.

The treadmill is what is pushing me to look into the wireless ... just another
gimick, another toy. And you know how I love my toys! Working from the couch
would be *ok*, but definitely not a necessity - and not interested enough to make
me run out and investigate how much the option would cost me. For the purpose of
amusement though ......... hehehe.

Still no more mudslides here. I keep looking at the bottle, but haven't really
had the desire to venture to it. I really am not much of a drinker. And
yesterday I really overdid things. Waited much too long for dinner (7:30pm) and
was absolutely starving. Did the carry-in thing, pasta - not the best choice and
very large serving ... which I ate in entirety. Probably 20 points worth for
dinner alone. Added a skinny cow sandwich later in the evening. Went out for
lunch, but at least did keep that at fish and veggies. STILL - was a much heavier
day than I've had in a long time. Why is it that there are just *those days*
where you are hungry no matter what you eat or what you do (or what you don't do)?

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:31:49 -0800, Fred wrote:

Well, it sounds like mom and dad are terrific parents providing a
supportive home and allowing the kids to make their own decisions. I
am sure it will work out. Sometimes college is overwhelming and like
WW, you can get back in the game when the time is right. The local
option may work best for now.

Working wirelessly from out in the yard (not for months yet if you can
see the screen) or from the dining room or fireplace is neat but we
can get too spoiled, too. But exploiting the treadmill's interactive
or download features would push me (G) Another TOY!

No, no mudslides - just way too many meringues - I need to retake the
environment issue. I've been bringing home too much tempting JUNK.
And eating it. But I did well with the leg of lamb. Carved it last
night into 2.5 - 3.0 oz servings and froze it after eating a bit too
much wonderful "crust" the first night.

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:17:40 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Might not have worked out the way dad and I would prefer - but it
really isn't our choice - the kid needs to be happy, it's his life. He called me
while I was in the oral surgeons, as he was headed back to college to talk to his
professor. Asked me if he should just withdraw as long as he was there. Once
again I told him I would not make that decision, he had our blessing no matter
what he decided ... as well as a home to come to. I guess I look at things oddly
... would hate to have any of my children think there problems are so huge that
there is no possible way out other than a *forever* choice ... and seems to be
quite a few that do end up thinking that. Soooo - he is home now, registering for
classes at the local college tomorrow - while he sorts things out. When he came
back home, I couldn't believe how much more relaxed he looked already - finally
looked like he at least had some life in him. He's 19, still has a lot of growin'
up left in him. G

Thanks for the network info. I also checked with a friend of my sons, he pretty
much confirmed what you said. If I recall correctly, he said something about
purchasing a router that had maybe one wireless port but also had several wired
ports (or hubs or whatever???) .. then run the laptops off the wireless. It's a
thought, and I would enjoy being able to work on a computer from the dining room,
or family room ... without stringing temp cords all over the house. One more
thing for me to think about. You know how I feel about thinking! sigh

Did you find the mudslides? I haven't indulged in any more lately ... just might
have to move in that direction tomorrow though. It's sounding pretty danged good!

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:22:53 -0800, Fred wrote:

Don't slip on too much mudslide. Glad to hear things are sorting out.

I am not a network expert if there are such people these days but I
think you could link a desktop with a wired network to a laptop with
wireless and work with the type systems. But as you say, it probably
is not that important. I do enjoy the wireless laptop downstairs
beside the fireplace.

Take care and I will have to find mudslide - hmmm, maybe on the lunch
time walk in the predicted sunshine I can get to the state liquor
store (G)

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:30:17 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Thanks Fred. Everything is ok, everyone is safe and healthy, which is what is
important. As I told my older brother this week-end ... just another one of those
freakin' growth experiences. G Then I told hub I lived through it with my older
brother, lived through it myself, we lived through it with our oldest girl ...
will live through this current bout and then just think ... only one more to make
it through! G It's just the emotions that are totally shot right now.

I've been so hesitant moving to a wireless network, don't think I've talked to a
single person who has had good experiences with them. And if I did put one in,
would I then have to disconnect my normal network ... or would I be able to pick
and choose when I wanted to use the wireless? I am just not thinking clearly
right now, probably not the best time to venture into this project. G

Unfortunately, I also have not returned to the treadmill and don't foresee being
able to for the next few days ... definitely not tomorrow anyway ... well ...
maybe by dinnertime? sigh Littlest daughter is having 2 teeth pulled in the
morning, in order to have braces put on. She is my worrier, timid little sould
that she is - and scared to pieces. She is beggin for a general anesthetic -
which scares me. Guess I'll let the oral surgeon and her make this call (I just
get to pay for it). Bring her home, see if eldest can watch her sister for a bit
while I go to traffic court with hub. Hopefully have some answers from sonny boy
in there somewhere. Gonna be another one of those long days, but hey! I got me a
whole bottle of mudslides in the fridge ... makes for an easy dinner. G

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:32:41 -0800, Fred wrote:

First, I hope all is or goes well.

Hey, a wireless network will easily provide a laptop with the internet
in the darn basement - that's no excuse anymore (G)

I have not returned to the treadmill - was too tired from biking on
saturday and skiing on sunday (g)

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G

How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:

Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:

hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:

I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod5 ...
I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the
week.
Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more
than
likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to
push
too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,
took me
a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.
This is a
great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.
Then I
read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would
work on
the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline
when you
can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere
recently
that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too
sure of
that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I
also didn't
add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was
tougher
on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus
causing
me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months
now,
walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start
feeling
it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline
and
immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at
your 2MPH
level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH
(I'm making
the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for
another
few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,
you
will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get
the same
benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early
stages -
which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"
wrote:

HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!

Actually knowing my family genes the way I do I probably have a long
time to wait for Murdock to hit puberty! The boys in our family take a
long time to grow up (physically and mentally). It's a blessing. No
worrying about them getting into sex or drugs...they're still playing
with computer games and cards.

Connie

Joyce wrote:
LOL! And we can't stop either one from happening. Puberty isn't fun, but I think
you have a few years yet before you have to worry. And you can always hope that
your son is a bit late. g I remember seeing my son staring at those girls too,
but I never knew why he was staring ... maybe he thought they were wearing goofy
clothing? Grin I was lucky though, he was shy enough that he didn't act on
anything until he was much older. He made it through highschool, never had an
official girlfriend so didn't go through all those lovely teenage headaches. Now
the girlfriends are hanging around, but at least he is more mature and able to
handle the emotional baggage that comes along with them. Youngest daughter in an
entirely different story. sigh Joyce

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:24:49 -0500, Connie wrote:


You're not ready for a quiet house and I'm not ready for puberty but
they're both coming (like it or not). I caught Murdock staring at a girl
the other day...OMG he's only 10 ... it can't be happening yet ... can
it? He just blushed and looked away. ;-)

Connie

Joyce wrote:

Yup, and when you think you have it all figured out the kids go and change the
rules on you. G I'm becoming so much closer to a new stage in my life. Still
parenting, probably always will be regardless as to the age of my kids. But more
and more hub and I are finding ourselves home alone ... both kids off and running
in the evenings, have their own plans, own lives. Meal plans are difficult at
best, never knowing who will be around, IF anyone. I'm guessing this is supposed
to be our preparation for the inevitable. I'm not quite ready for this totally
quiet house ... even though I do like my quiet time. g

Joyce

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:01:24 -0500, Connie wrote:



I'm learning something about parenting all the time. It sure is
experimental.

Connie

Joyce wrote:


Thanks for the vote of confidence, Connie. I tell my kids they are just guinea
pigs ... parenting is purely an experimental process. G We do try hard though,
not much more we can do than that ... right?

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:37:15 -0500, Connie wrote:




Joyce, you sound like a really great mom!! Keep up the good work!!

Connie

Joyce wrote:



Thanks PR. So far he seems ok to me, has some spark back in his eyes and a new
plan of attack. At least he now sees there are still options in his life, this
does not make him a failure. Tomorrow (Friday) he is registering for classes at
the local college, keep him going while giving him some time to sort things out
also. Guess he at least feels better knowing he would be allowed to make whatever
decision he felt was best for HIM, and mom/dad weren't going to beat him up over
it. He is 19, has a whole lot of time ahead of him to figure things out. G

Daughter came through the teeth pulling like a trooper - did beg for more than
just a local anesthetic though. I took her to the oral surgeon I have been to, is
a wonderfully gentle and caring man. He told her she could ABSOLUTELY have
whatever she felt was needed, no way did he want her fearing or feeling pain or
any nervousness. She finally opted for a little bit of gas along with the local.
I could deal with that a lot better than the thought of the general anesthetic.
She didn't seem to have much pain, was taking some motrin though ... but thinks it
was more for the discomfort of the seperators that had also been put into her
teeth. Today no motrin, so she must be feeling much better.

I'm breathing, I'm breathing! Things have calmed down now, crisis appears to have
passed. G

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:40:16 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:





Sounds like your son's in the middle of a major life crisis. I truly
hope he comes through this whole, which most likely he will with you
in his corner. I'm sorry you're having to suffer his anxiety as well.

I feel for your daughter. Having braces put on is what turned me into
a confirmed dentalphobe. Now I ask for general anesthetic every time I
get my teeth cleaned; I settle for valium. Course if it was my
daughter asking for general anesthetic, I'd be nervous.G

I hope your day went better than it sounded in advance. Things can
only look UP, right?! Take a few minutes for yourself, and remember to
breathe.

Prairie Roots

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:18:30 -0600, Joyce wrote:





Thanks PR. Todays plan of attack blew out the window ... along with yesterdays
*good* set of answers. sigh Tomorrow is another day, a few other options, then
time to make some informed decisions.

Nothing overly major in the grand scheme of things, just blips in the road. Son
hadn't been doing well in college all year, grades dropped horrendously but he had
said nothing. We worried quietly here at home, while he tried valiantly to dig
himself out. Turns out he was given a bunch of bad information from his advisor
and baseball coach ... took a class he had no need to take ... entire grade turned
out to be based solely on final exam, which turned out to be an oral resume and
job interview that was drawn out of a hat when he entered the class for the exam
(he drew a career he knew absolutely nothing about) ... failed thus making him
ineligible for baseball. In the grand scheme of things this is really unimportant
... to him it is the world and he is currently shattered. He has had the carrot
dangled in front of his nose, so to speak - had pro scouts talking to him the last
few months, telling him at this given moment he has a 1:4 chance of being drafted
- not great but still not bad for a 19 year old. BUT he says needs to play for it
to happen, and it is his dream. So what do we do? Tell him to give up his dream?
I think dreams are what keep us going, keep us alive - I hate to just tell him to
quit and grow up aleady. So this week-end he has been investigating transferring
schools. Yesterday he was all set up, went to register today only to be told that
the school he is currently at has a wierd class schedule which has made him
ineligible for transferring deadlines (current college is just starting a new
term, whereas other colleges are much further along already). It also explains
why his current school has so many transferring IN at this time of year. My heart
once again broke for him today when he came home, he looked so darned defeated.
He is kicking himself for not saying anything to us over the holidays, he didn't
want to let us down. which he never would anyway

Had another heart to heart with him this afternoon, told him if he is really that
unhappy where he is at, then maybe consider transferring into the local jr.
college during spring quarter ... take some time to make a decision for next year.
Does it make sense for him to stick it out where he is currently at, only to not
go back next year anyway? So tomorrow morning he is back to the jr. college to
talk to the coach there, see if maybe he can even just work out with the team
while attending classes ... talk to one other school in the area .... then back to
current school to see if he can sweet talk his professor into giving him an
incomplete (probably not, is a first year teacher who appears to be in
authoratative mode). At least by knowing *answers* hopefully he can make an
informed decision and hopefully become more relaxed and happy.

I'm out bright and early tomorrow morning with daughter, she has to have 2 teeth
pulled for braces ... then afternoon in traffic court with hubby who hit a woman
who was backing down a one way street ... it's gonna be another one of those
looooooooong days. sigh I am incredibly tired, yet can't sleep.

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:05:29 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:





I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping that all works out well.
Peace be with you.

Prairie Roots
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:





I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:





Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:





hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:





I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod55271 ...




I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the

week.




Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more

than




likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to

push




too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,

took me




a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.

This is a




great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.

Then I




read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would

work on




the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline

when you




can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere

recently




that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too

sure of




that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I

also didn't




add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was

tougher




on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus

causing




me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months

now,




walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start

feeling




it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline

and




immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at

your 2MPH




level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH

(I'm making




the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for

another




few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,

you




will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get

the same




benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early

stages -




which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"

wrote:




HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!






--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/204/155
RAFL 210.5/204/198.5

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 06:35:23 -0800, Fred wrote:



On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:16:51 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:29:15 -0800, Fred wrote:



On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:37:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Yup, saving money would be nice ... daughter is pushing for one of the newer
models though. Hers is the lowest storage size and she would like to increase it.
We're into negotiations right now. G

GGGGGGGG. Bring in the Teamsters

Oh, now that's a dirty word! I was raised by a teamster dad, brother is a
teamster, hub is the only one who isn't - yet he carries teamster insurance. Go
figure. LOL! I have a feeling daughter may win on this one, just not today. I'm
broke. Paid the entire braces fee in one shot (because orthodontist would give me
a 4% discount if I did ... and you know how much I like a bargain). Came home and
found the auto insurance bill in the mailbox. sigh

Oh, yeah, I've had months like that, too. Last year, suddenly the
dental insurance did not cover the extra dental visits - which is odd.
Clearly, the dentist jacks up the routine cleaning stuff to take
advantage of our insurance so that if you have a filling, well, wow,
sorry but you don't have enough coverage for that. Find her an old
transitor radio at a thrift shop for the interim (g)

LOL! You don't have children, do you. It's put on hold, we got her old iPod
working again and she will jolly well have to deal with this one for the time
being. I swear, this is the kid that will put us into the poor house ... she is
always wanting something ... and none of it comes cheaply. G


I feel for your scale woes, am sure mine aren't going to be nice this week. I
don't know what's gotten into me but I feel like I've done nothing but eat, eat,
eat. Yesterday was better under control, but not enough to make up for the
week-end. Sigh

I am beginning to wonder if maybe I should try cutting down meals a
bit (half a sweet potato or less shrimp) and save the points for
junk??? (G) Shrink that pastrami sandwich a bit (have them cut in
1/3's rather than half. Ideas like that.

I may have to do the same, at least temporarily to get me over the hump. I've
noticed this week it is the snacks that are pushing me over the edge. Normally
they haven't been too much of a problem, but for some reason this week is causing
me fits. I don't know how much I can scale them back though. Dinner is about the
only possibility. Lunch and breakfast are already about as low as I care to go.
I am afraid cutting any lower and it will only be pushing me into more snacks ...
kind of a double edged sword. Or ... I will have to really rein in the evening
munchies. Or ... kill off that damn bottle of Mudslides that is still in the
fridge. It's almost empty. G

You may be right. Too little main course might lead to even more
snacking. The body may just want to hold at this weight. And maybe I
just need to cater to it. A WW leader who shall remain nameless has
suggested that my weekend's probably need more food. After all I am
not still burning off the self-storage points that use to gather
around my waist.

I have a feeling you may be finding or accepting the same thing that I have ...
we're just where our bodies want or need to be. Up/down a few pounds, it all
balances out - but no dramatic drops that seem to stay in place permanently. I
think Lesanne hit the nail on the head in a prior post when she said that if we
are still losing weight easily, then we aren't *there* yet. I'm thinking, my
friend, we are there ... whether we like it or not.


I may experiment a bit. I think the snacking was better last night -
that's two nights after the weekend. And I recall it was similar last
week. Or is it just that today is WI and my mind accepts LESS.

For the most part my snacking has been pretty well under control, with exception
to last week. G Don't know what got into me or why. The last few days I
haven't felt those same hunger munchies that nothing would satisfy. Maybe I need
to keep better track of these episodes? I wonder if they have anything to do with
hitting a lower than usual weight, like the body sending signals to eat, eat, eat!

Joyce

Count your blessings! G Boys do seem to be a bit slower than the girls. I
noticed with all my kids that it was the girls who chased after the boys, the boys
just kind of went along with things - maybe a peer pressure thing? My son didn't
really go bonkers until he was in college, then he seemed to get bit by the female
bug rather badly. G

Joyce

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:25:12 -0500, Connie wrote:

Actually knowing my family genes the way I do I probably have a long
time to wait for Murdock to hit puberty! The boys in our family take a
long time to grow up (physically and mentally). It's a blessing. No
worrying about them getting into sex or drugs...they're still playing
with computer games and cards.

Connie

Joyce wrote:
LOL! And we can't stop either one from happening. Puberty isn't fun, but I think
you have a few years yet before you have to worry. And you can always hope that
your son is a bit late. g I remember seeing my son staring at those girls too,
but I never knew why he was staring ... maybe he thought they were wearing goofy
clothing? Grin I was lucky though, he was shy enough that he didn't act on
anything until he was much older. He made it through highschool, never had an
official girlfriend so didn't go through all those lovely teenage headaches. Now
the girlfriends are hanging around, but at least he is more mature and able to
handle the emotional baggage that comes along with them. Youngest daughter in an
entirely different story. sigh Joyce

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:24:49 -0500, Connie wrote:


You're not ready for a quiet house and I'm not ready for puberty but
they're both coming (like it or not). I caught Murdock staring at a girl
the other day...OMG he's only 10 ... it can't be happening yet ... can
it? He just blushed and looked away. ;-)

Connie

Joyce wrote:

Yup, and when you think you have it all figured out the kids go and change the
rules on you. G I'm becoming so much closer to a new stage in my life. Still
parenting, probably always will be regardless as to the age of my kids. But more
and more hub and I are finding ourselves home alone ... both kids off and running
in the evenings, have their own plans, own lives. Meal plans are difficult at
best, never knowing who will be around, IF anyone. I'm guessing this is supposed
to be our preparation for the inevitable. I'm not quite ready for this totally
quiet house ... even though I do like my quiet time. g

Joyce

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:01:24 -0500, Connie wrote:



I'm learning something about parenting all the time. It sure is
experimental.

Connie

Joyce wrote:


Thanks for the vote of confidence, Connie. I tell my kids they are just guinea
pigs ... parenting is purely an experimental process. G We do try hard though,
not much more we can do than that ... right?

Joyce

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:37:15 -0500, Connie wrote:




Joyce, you sound like a really great mom!! Keep up the good work!!

Connie

Joyce wrote:



Thanks PR. So far he seems ok to me, has some spark back in his eyes and a new
plan of attack. At least he now sees there are still options in his life, this
does not make him a failure. Tomorrow (Friday) he is registering for classes at
the local college, keep him going while giving him some time to sort things out
also. Guess he at least feels better knowing he would be allowed to make whatever
decision he felt was best for HIM, and mom/dad weren't going to beat him up over
it. He is 19, has a whole lot of time ahead of him to figure things out. G

Daughter came through the teeth pulling like a trooper - did beg for more than
just a local anesthetic though. I took her to the oral surgeon I have been to, is
a wonderfully gentle and caring man. He told her she could ABSOLUTELY have
whatever she felt was needed, no way did he want her fearing or feeling pain or
any nervousness. She finally opted for a little bit of gas along with the local.
I could deal with that a lot better than the thought of the general anesthetic.
She didn't seem to have much pain, was taking some motrin though ... but thinks it
was more for the discomfort of the seperators that had also been put into her
teeth. Today no motrin, so she must be feeling much better.

I'm breathing, I'm breathing! Things have calmed down now, crisis appears to have
passed. G

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:40:16 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:





Sounds like your son's in the middle of a major life crisis. I truly
hope he comes through this whole, which most likely he will with you
in his corner. I'm sorry you're having to suffer his anxiety as well.

I feel for your daughter. Having braces put on is what turned me into
a confirmed dentalphobe. Now I ask for general anesthetic every time I
get my teeth cleaned; I settle for valium. Course if it was my
daughter asking for general anesthetic, I'd be nervous.G

I hope your day went better than it sounded in advance. Things can
only look UP, right?! Take a few minutes for yourself, and remember to
breathe.

Prairie Roots

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:18:30 -0600, Joyce wrote:





Thanks PR. Todays plan of attack blew out the window ... along with yesterdays
*good* set of answers. sigh Tomorrow is another day, a few other options, then
time to make some informed decisions.

Nothing overly major in the grand scheme of things, just blips in the road. Son
hadn't been doing well in college all year, grades dropped horrendously but he had
said nothing. We worried quietly here at home, while he tried valiantly to dig
himself out. Turns out he was given a bunch of bad information from his advisor
and baseball coach ... took a class he had no need to take ... entire grade turned
out to be based solely on final exam, which turned out to be an oral resume and
job interview that was drawn out of a hat when he entered the class for the exam
(he drew a career he knew absolutely nothing about) ... failed thus making him
ineligible for baseball. In the grand scheme of things this is really unimportant
... to him it is the world and he is currently shattered. He has had the carrot
dangled in front of his nose, so to speak - had pro scouts talking to him the last
few months, telling him at this given moment he has a 1:4 chance of being drafted
- not great but still not bad for a 19 year old. BUT he says needs to play for it
to happen, and it is his dream. So what do we do? Tell him to give up his dream?
I think dreams are what keep us going, keep us alive - I hate to just tell him to
quit and grow up aleady. So this week-end he has been investigating transferring
schools. Yesterday he was all set up, went to register today only to be told that
the school he is currently at has a wierd class schedule which has made him
ineligible for transferring deadlines (current college is just starting a new
term, whereas other colleges are much further along already). It also explains
why his current school has so many transferring IN at this time of year. My heart
once again broke for him today when he came home, he looked so darned defeated.
He is kicking himself for not saying anything to us over the holidays, he didn't
want to let us down. which he never would anyway

Had another heart to heart with him this afternoon, told him if he is really that
unhappy where he is at, then maybe consider transferring into the local jr.
college during spring quarter ... take some time to make a decision for next year.
Does it make sense for him to stick it out where he is currently at, only to not
go back next year anyway? So tomorrow morning he is back to the jr. college to
talk to the coach there, see if maybe he can even just work out with the team
while attending classes ... talk to one other school in the area .... then back to
current school to see if he can sweet talk his professor into giving him an
incomplete (probably not, is a first year teacher who appears to be in
authoratative mode). At least by knowing *answers* hopefully he can make an
informed decision and hopefully become more relaxed and happy.

I'm out bright and early tomorrow morning with daughter, she has to have 2 teeth
pulled for braces ... then afternoon in traffic court with hubby who hit a woman
who was backing down a one way street ... it's gonna be another one of those
looooooooong days. sigh I am incredibly tired, yet can't sleep.

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:05:29 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:





I'll be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping that all works out well.
Peace be with you.

Prairie Roots
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:21:58 -0600, Joyce wrote:





I have no idea what trails they have, don't have the internet access set up in the
basement. And puh-lease don't give me any ideas about trying to tackle THAT job
in the near future. G How come the treadmill you were on kept dropping the incline down? Or did I miss
something here? I haven't tried doing the incline at a slower pace - have found
it is so much more interesting (the after-effects) of hitting them at 4mph ... if
I go any faster my little legs will be jogging. G

It's been another one of those long week-ends with no treadmill included - not
pleasant stuff going on. But we are hoping the situation now has some viable
solutions ... will know more today and definitive answers on Tuesday. So at least
are moving in on some answers. Am hoping to catch up on the newsgroup and emails,
then get sonny boy out and moving ... then hit the treadmill while awaiting todays
set of answers. At least I got me a plan of attack today!

Joyce

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:39:12 -0800, Fred wrote:





Programming trails I'd love Yosemite.

See if they have the Mt Si trail. 4 miles up with a gain of approx
3,400 feet.

I just used the treadmill at work today for the 1st time. 15 minutes
on hill work. But only about 2mph but I kept upping the slope to 10
whatever and it kept dropping it back down (G)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:39:06 -0600, Joyce wrote:





hehehe - I don't know you, but I do know ME ... I am the burnout queen. g I
even splurged and bought myself a 13" television with a dvd player built in, to
give me something to keep my mind off of the boredom that can set in. Then
splurged on some movies and television series dvd's ... making the treadmill time,
MY time and something to look forward to (a bit). I still overdid things a bit
yesterday, wanted to check out the even higher inclines and see how much different
they were. OY! They are tough, I think I at least now know exactly what a high
intensity workout is supposed to make you feel. LOL

Yesterday was the first time I used the fan, not much need to when your basement
is sitting at about 30 degrees. I was in my sweats, had to throw my bathrobe on
in addition ... and after 15 minutes I had to turn the fan on. Oh, it is
wonderful! Does your treadmill also have the ability to be hooked into the
manufacturers internet website for additional programming and tracking? I haven't
done it with mine, don't want to string any more cables through the house, but it
did sound really interesting and fun. Can hook it up, and get programming on the
computer monitor to walk through different scenery settings. And through the
website it will also automatically control/increase/decrease the incline and speed
to coincide with the terrain. Cool, huh? I didn't even realize this until I read
the manual.

Joyce

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 06:32:07 -0600, "WannaBLean" wrote:





I'm going to follow your advice. It's almost like you "know me". I DO burn
out easily and I don't want to this time. Thank you for the good advice.
Hugs.
"Joyce" wrote in message
news:e0lu10t13ifg09qc6k3bqujrod5527 ...




I'm going by memory here, from posts I've seen from you throughout the

week.




Haven't you just begun exercising recently? If so, your muscles are more

than




likely hanging onto water while repairing the stress on them from the new
activity. This happened to me also, still does on occassion when I try to

push




too hard, too fast. It takes awhile for the body to let go of the water,

took me




a good two weeks in the beginning.

Just a suggestion from the non-exercise guru in the bunch ...

I read elsewhere that you were walking a mile a day, at a pace of 2MPH.

This is a




great start, won't totally burn you out from overdoing in the beginning.

Then I




read that you added the incline into the routine already. Myself, I would

work on




the distance and speed first ... start gradually increasing the incline

when you




can get your speed up to a cardio level maybe? I think I read somewhere

recently




that a walking cardio level should be between 3MPH and 3.5 MPH - not too

sure of




that though. The incline is a great workout, I love it myself - but I

also didn't




add it until I was consistently up in speed and duration, as I felt it was

tougher




on the legs (which may be why your body is hanging on to fluids???), thus

causing




me to tire out faster. I've been working on the treadmill for many months

now,




walk at 4MPH and a varying incline level of 4-8 ... and I tell ya, I start

feeling




it at 20 minutes when on the higher incline - start declining the incline

and




immediately notice the difference. Maybe you could work a few days at

your 2MPH




level for 30 minutes (1 mile), then increase the speed by .1 or .2 MPH

(I'm making




the assumption your treadmill is similar to mine ... fan and all) - go for

another




few days and up the speed again. If you keep the length of time the same,

you




will notice you are walking a bit further each day. You will still get

the same




benefits of the flat workout, without overtiring yourself in the early

stages -




which often leads to early burnout. Save that tough stuff for later!

Just my 2 cents worth, anyway. G

Joyce

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:47:37 -0600, "WannaBLean"

wrote:




HOW??? I've even been exercising!! I am SO bummed out!

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 02:44:12 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 06:35:23 -0800, Fred wrote:



On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:16:51 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:29:15 -0800, Fred wrote:



On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:37:21 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I am beginning to wonder if maybe I should try cutting down meals a
bit (half a sweet potato or less shrimp) and save the points for
junk??? (G) Shrink that pastrami sandwich a bit (have them cut in
1/3's rather than half. Ideas like that.

I may have to do the same, at least temporarily to get me over the hump. I've
noticed this week it is the snacks that are pushing me over the edge. Normally
they haven't been too much of a problem, but for some reason this week is causing
me fits. I don't know how much I can scale them back though. Dinner is about the
only possibility. Lunch and breakfast are already about as low as I care to go.
I am afraid cutting any lower and it will only be pushing me into more snacks ...
kind of a double edged sword. Or ... I will have to really rein in the evening
munchies. Or ... kill off that damn bottle of Mudslides that is still in the
fridge. It's almost empty. G

You may be right. Too little main course might lead to even more
snacking. The body may just want to hold at this weight. And maybe I
just need to cater to it. A WW leader who shall remain nameless has
suggested that my weekend's probably need more food. After all I am
not still burning off the self-storage points that use to gather
around my waist.

I have a feeling you may be finding or accepting the same thing that I have ...
we're just where our bodies want or need to be. Up/down a few pounds, it all
balances out - but no dramatic drops that seem to stay in place permanently. I
think Lesanne hit the nail on the head in a prior post when she said that if we
are still losing weight easily, then we aren't *there* yet. I'm thinking, my
friend, we are there ... whether we like it or not.

I think you are right - I'm doing a good job of just wobbling in place
- like riding a bicycle - a bit left and bit right and mostly straight
ahead. A bit up, a bit down and mostly right on MAINTENANCE.

Which is as it should be when you are where you belong.

I may experiment a bit. I think the snacking was better last night -
that's two nights after the weekend. And I recall it was similar last
week. Or is it just that today is WI and my mind accepts LESS.

For the most part my snacking has been pretty well under control, with exception
to last week. G Don't know what got into me or why. The last few days I
haven't felt those same hunger munchies that nothing would satisfy. Maybe I need
to keep better track of these episodes? I wonder if they have anything to do with
hitting a lower than usual weight, like the body sending signals to eat, eat, eat!

Well, that's the ol' set point theory which, of course, we definitely
accepted as the reason why we could not get the excess weight off
BEFORE we got it off. But I am sure that the body does have its
limits. Starvation mode or a modest form of it, I'm sure, is working
to keep the body working correctly and nourished right. I do know (I
wrote to Lesanne) that I am not noticeably hungry but just snacking.
Are those the signals that I really do need those snacks? They are
better snacks than years past.



Joyce

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:09:51 -0800, Fred wrote:


You may be right. Too little main course might lead to even more
snacking. The body may just want to hold at this weight. And maybe I
just need to cater to it. A WW leader who shall remain nameless has
suggested that my weekend's probably need more food. After all I am
not still burning off the self-storage points that use to gather
around my waist.

I have a feeling you may be finding or accepting the same thing that I have ...
we're just where our bodies want or need to be. Up/down a few pounds, it all
balances out - but no dramatic drops that seem to stay in place permanently. I
think Lesanne hit the nail on the head in a prior post when she said that if we
are still losing weight easily, then we aren't *there* yet. I'm thinking, my
friend, we are there ... whether we like it or not.

I think you are right - I'm doing a good job of just wobbling in place
- like riding a bicycle - a bit left and bit right and mostly straight
ahead. A bit up, a bit down and mostly right on MAINTENANCE.

Which is as it should be when you are where you belong.

Yup, I think it is finally registering with me that seesawing a bit is just going
to be a fact of life. Down again today, back to where I was last week. Then I
killed off the mudslides tonite - so probably back up tomorrow. G I

I may experiment a bit. I think the snacking was better last night -
that's two nights after the weekend. And I recall it was similar last
week. Or is it just that today is WI and my mind accepts LESS.

For the most part my snacking has been pretty well under control, with exception
to last week. G Don't know what got into me or why. The last few days I
haven't felt those same hunger munchies that nothing would satisfy. Maybe I need
to keep better track of these episodes? I wonder if they have anything to do with
hitting a lower than usual weight, like the body sending signals to eat, eat, eat!

Well, that's the ol' set point theory which, of course, we definitely
accepted as the reason why we could not get the excess weight off
BEFORE we got it off. But I am sure that the body does have its
limits. Starvation mode or a modest form of it, I'm sure, is working
to keep the body working correctly and nourished right. I do know (I
wrote to Lesanne) that I am not noticeably hungry but just snacking.
Are those the signals that I really do need those snacks? They are
better snacks than years past.

Hmmmmm, not sure what to tell you on this one. I do snack, usually (but not
always, I'm not a saint) healthier options - but it definitely is nowhere near the
amount that I was snacking on last year. When I hit those constant snacking
phases, I am definitely noticeably hungry ... to myself and everyone else. My
stomach is grumbling loudly, sometimes a little lightheaded or just not feeling
quite right. Then there are the times when I am just bored and eating seems to be
the thing to do. THAT'S what I need to get control of ... as I sit here in front
of my computer, definitely not hungry, yet there is a bowl of meringues sitting
right in front of me. I may go dump them back into the container.

Ok, here's something else I was thinking about today ... and I'm probably way off
base, but in my head it somewhat makes some sense. Regarding the amount of
activity points earned, and eaten. I understand that 100 calories expended = 1
activity point, and this made sense to me as I was losing weight. Ok, so what if
roughly 50 calories = 1 point , if we ate all AP's we earned, we could still lose
weight. I figured ww had us working in somewhat of a deficit mode, which really
does make sense. BUT ... since we are trying to maintain ... by still working
with those same numbers, are we somewhat doing ourselves in by not eating enough
and then ending up going on a rampage a day or so later? Did I convey my thoughts
well enough for anyone to understand? I guess this came into play today when I
was thinking about the Wendy's frosty I had splurged on last week. Roughly 13
points for a large one (I really splurged!) ... 600 or close to it calories.
Normally I think that it would take about 4 or 5 days to earn enough activity
points to work it off. Today for some reason my brain kicked into calorie mode
instead ... which told me that no, it really is only 2 workout sessions on my
treadmill. So if I've been working my tail off everyday, and only eating what ww
says I've earned ... could that explain those hungry days? And explain why my
weight didn't skyrocket as I had anticipated it would when I did hit that feeding
frenzy?

I'm confused again. G

Joyce

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:40:11 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:09:51 -0800, Fred wrote:


You may be right. Too little main course might lead to even more
snacking. The body may just want to hold at this weight. And maybe I
just need to cater to it. A WW leader who shall remain nameless has
suggested that my weekend's probably need more food. After all I am
not still burning off the self-storage points that use to gather
around my waist.

I have a feeling you may be finding or accepting the same thing that I have ...
we're just where our bodies want or need to be. Up/down a few pounds, it all
balances out - but no dramatic drops that seem to stay in place permanently. I
think Lesanne hit the nail on the head in a prior post when she said that if we
are still losing weight easily, then we aren't *there* yet. I'm thinking, my
friend, we are there ... whether we like it or not.

I think you are right - I'm doing a good job of just wobbling in place
- like riding a bicycle - a bit left and bit right and mostly straight
ahead. A bit up, a bit down and mostly right on MAINTENANCE.

Which is as it should be when you are where you belong.

Yup, I think it is finally registering with me that seesawing a bit is just going
to be a fact of life. Down again today, back to where I was last week. Then I
killed off the mudslides tonite - so probably back up tomorrow. G I

Well, since I read down below, I think you needed the mudslide to
clear up the activity points issue (g) Other than the fact that I
will not wi officially if I'm too late on Weds, I think this might be
another slightly up week - so says the scale this morning. I need a
down week again! Oh, still under goal.

I may experiment a bit. I think the snacking was better last night -
that's two nights after the weekend. And I recall it was similar last
week. Or is it just that today is WI and my mind accepts LESS.

For the most part my snacking has been pretty well under control, with exception
to last week. G Don't know what got into me or why. The last few days I
haven't felt those same hunger munchies that nothing would satisfy. Maybe I need
to keep better track of these episodes? I wonder if they have anything to do with
hitting a lower than usual weight, like the body sending signals to eat, eat, eat!

Well, that's the ol' set point theory which, of course, we definitely
accepted as the reason why we could not get the excess weight off
BEFORE we got it off. But I am sure that the body does have its
limits. Starvation mode or a modest form of it, I'm sure, is working
to keep the body working correctly and nourished right. I do know (I
wrote to Lesanne) that I am not noticeably hungry but just snacking.
Are those the signals that I really do need those snacks? They are
better snacks than years past.

Hmmmmm, not sure what to tell you on this one. I do snack, usually (but not
always, I'm not a saint) healthier options - but it definitely is nowhere near the
amount that I was snacking on last year. When I hit those constant snacking
phases, I am definitely noticeably hungry ... to myself and everyone else. My
stomach is grumbling loudly, sometimes a little lightheaded or just not feeling
quite right. Then there are the times when I am just bored and eating seems to be
the thing to do. THAT'S what I need to get control of ... as I sit here in front
of my computer, definitely not hungry, yet there is a bowl of meringues sitting
right in front of me. I may go dump them back into the container.

Yesterday it was Meringues, mango and on the bike ride, that breakfast
cookie. too much stuff.

Ok, here's something else I was thinking about today ... and I'm probably way off
base, but in my head it somewhat makes some sense. Regarding the amount of
activity points earned, and eaten. I understand that 100 calories expended = 1
activity point, and this made sense to me as I was losing weight. Ok, so what if
roughly 50 calories = 1 point , if we ate all AP's we earned, we could still lose
weight. I figured ww had us working in somewhat of a deficit mode, which really
does make sense. BUT ... since we are trying to maintain ... by still working
with those same numbers, are we somewhat doing ourselves in by not eating enough
and then ending up going on a rampage a day or so later? Did I convey my thoughts
well enough for anyone to understand? I guess this came into play today when I
was thinking about the Wendy's frosty I had splurged on last week. Roughly 13
points for a large one (I really splurged!) ... 600 or close to it calories.
Normally I think that it would take about 4 or 5 days to earn enough activity
points to work it off. Today for some reason my brain kicked into calorie mode
instead ... which told me that no, it really is only 2 workout sessions on my
treadmill. So if I've been working my tail off everyday, and only eating what ww
says I've earned ... could that explain those hungry days? And explain why my
weight didn't skyrocket as I had anticipated it would when I did hit that feeding
frenzy?

Interesting. I was never quite clear on converting points to calories
and activity points/exercise is even more or maybe less clear but you
folks with TOYS that calculate calories burned might have a better
handle on things. So you think WW did not quite tell us the truth?
(G) That could explain why I lost so well during the program - I was
getting in the main 15-30 activity points on a weekend a some more
during the week. And I was better at limiting the snacking back then
- driven to succeed. Or maybe since I had my own FAT points to burn,
I did not need or desire the extra points I am now consuming.

I'm confused again. G

Same here.

Joyce