Low carb and endurance running -- results of my experiment

On 2004-09-17, Ignoramus474 wrote:
In article , Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
On 2004-09-17, Roger Zoul wrote:

:: Runners do not generally have trouble eating at maintenance, even in
:: the presence of carbs, because they burn more calories than the
:: average couch potato.

Runners don't have problems eating at maintenance because they burn more
calories than the average couch potato?

PLEASE!

Well for whatever reason, none of the people in my running club are fat, and
none of them need low carb diets to stay in shape. The fact that their
running burns 3,000-10,000 calories a week might have *something* to do with
it, what do you think ?

I highly doubt that fat people would want to belong to a running club...

So ? Do you think that the average runner needs a special diet, low carb or
otherwise to avoid getting fat ?

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

"Ignoramus474" wrote in message
...
Is that proof? Of course not. Is that an indication that it is
POSSIBLY so? You bet.

It's only proof that that you are getting stonger and enough calories
such that don't bonk. It's equally plausable that it makes not one bit
of difference. If I do a speed workout each week midday and my races get
faster should I assume it's the sun because I do them during the day?

-DF

"Ignoramus474" wrote in message
...
Is that proof? Of course not. Is that an indication that it is
POSSIBLY so? You bet.

It's only proof that that you are getting stonger and enough calories
such that don't bonk. It's equally plausable that it makes not one bit
of difference. If I do a speed workout each week midday and my races get
faster should I assume it's the sun because I do them during the day?

-DF

"Ignoramus474" wrote in message
...
In article , Doug Freese
wrote:

"Ignoramus474" wrote in message
...
I agree and, probably, for healthy athletes, this diet is not
optimal. But, LC does not preclude long distance running, as some
might think.

Then you are living in a fantasy world or you haven't got any idea
what
long distance running means. If you play this LC in a "long" race
they
will take you out in a body bag if not put you on an IV with carbs to
keep you from dying.

What is a long race for you Doug?

Any distance that depletes your energy and you bonk. With a poor diet
this could be as short as a 10 miles especially if under trained and run
too fast. A half marathon is borderline. Go up to the marathon and
longer and you see what happens when your carbo poor. I currently do
50k -100 miles. When you get to these distances you learn the value of
carbs to keep you alive and moving forward.
-DF

"Ignoramus474" wrote in message
...
In article , Doug Freese
wrote:

"Ignoramus474" wrote in message
...
I agree and, probably, for healthy athletes, this diet is not
optimal. But, LC does not preclude long distance running, as some
might think.

Then you are living in a fantasy world or you haven't got any idea
what
long distance running means. If you play this LC in a "long" race
they
will take you out in a body bag if not put you on an IV with carbs to
keep you from dying.

What is a long race for you Doug?

Any distance that depletes your energy and you bonk. With a poor diet
this could be as short as a 10 miles especially if under trained and run
too fast. A half marathon is borderline. Go up to the marathon and
longer and you see what happens when your carbo poor. I currently do
50k -100 miles. When you get to these distances you learn the value of
carbs to keep you alive and moving forward.
-DF

"Ignoramus474" wrote in message
...
In article , Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
On 2004-09-17, Ignoramus474 wrote:
In article , Donovan Rebbechi
wrote:
On 2004-09-17, Roger Zoul wrote:

:: Runners do not generally have trouble eating at maintenance, even
in
:: the presence of carbs, because they burn more calories than the
:: average couch potato.

Runners don't have problems eating at maintenance because they burn
more
calories than the average couch potato?

PLEASE!

Well for whatever reason, none of the people in my running club are
fat, and
none of them need low carb diets to stay in shape. The fact that their
running burns 3,000-10,000 calories a week might have *something* to
do with
it, what do you think ?

I highly doubt that fat people would want to belong to a running
club...

So ? Do you think that the average runner needs a special diet, low carb
or
otherwise to avoid getting fat ?


No, I think that saying that there are no fat people in the running
club, does not prove that running works to keep people slim. Your
conclusion is based on selection bias.

i

For whatever strange reason, trolling or otherwise, you are not listening to
those who know 1000 times more than you do. Why don't you stop your attempts
at showing off and actually listen? The folks in rec.running know about
running, you, ig, know very little about running.

Martha

"Ignoramus474" wrote in message
...
In article , Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
On 2004-09-17, Ignoramus474 wrote:
In article , Donovan Rebbechi
wrote:
On 2004-09-17, Roger Zoul wrote:

:: Runners do not generally have trouble eating at maintenance, even
in
:: the presence of carbs, because they burn more calories than the
:: average couch potato.

Runners don't have problems eating at maintenance because they burn
more
calories than the average couch potato?

PLEASE!

Well for whatever reason, none of the people in my running club are
fat, and
none of them need low carb diets to stay in shape. The fact that their
running burns 3,000-10,000 calories a week might have *something* to
do with
it, what do you think ?

I highly doubt that fat people would want to belong to a running
club...

So ? Do you think that the average runner needs a special diet, low carb
or
otherwise to avoid getting fat ?


No, I think that saying that there are no fat people in the running
club, does not prove that running works to keep people slim. Your
conclusion is based on selection bias.

i

For whatever strange reason, trolling or otherwise, you are not listening to
those who know 1000 times more than you do. Why don't you stop your attempts
at showing off and actually listen? The folks in rec.running know about
running, you, ig, know very little about running.

Martha

"Ignoramus474" wrote in message
...
In article , Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
On 2004-09-17, Ignoramus474 wrote:
In article , Donovan Rebbechi
wrote:
On 2004-09-17, Roger Zoul wrote:

:: Runners do not generally have trouble eating at maintenance, even
in
:: the presence of carbs, because they burn more calories than the
:: average couch potato.

Runners don't have problems eating at maintenance because they burn
more
calories than the average couch potato?

PLEASE!

Well for whatever reason, none of the people in my running club are
fat, and
none of them need low carb diets to stay in shape. The fact that their
running burns 3,000-10,000 calories a week might have *something* to
do with
it, what do you think ?

I highly doubt that fat people would want to belong to a running
club...

So ? Do you think that the average runner needs a special diet, low carb
or
otherwise to avoid getting fat ?


No, I think that saying that there are no fat people in the running
club, does not prove that running works to keep people slim. Your
conclusion is based on selection bias.

i

For whatever strange reason, trolling or otherwise, you are not listening to
those who know 1000 times more than you do. Why don't you stop your attempts
at showing off and actually listen? The folks in rec.running know about
running, you, ig, know very little about running.

Martha

"Ignoramus474" wrote in message
...
In article , Doug Freese wrote:

"Ignoramus474" wrote in message
...
In article , Doug Freese
wrote:

"Ignoramus474" wrote in message
...
I agree and, probably, for healthy athletes, this diet is not
optimal. But, LC does not preclude long distance running, as some
might think.

Then you are living in a fantasy world or you haven't got any idea
what
long distance running means. If you play this LC in a "long" race
they
will take you out in a body bag if not put you on an IV with carbs to
keep you from dying.

What is a long race for you Doug?

Any distance that depletes your energy and you bonk. With a poor diet
this could be as short as a 10 miles especially if under trained and run
too fast. A half marathon is borderline. Go up to the marathon and
longer and you see what happens when your carbo poor. I currently do
50k -100 miles. When you get to these distances you learn the value of
carbs to keep you alive and moving forward.
-DF




I don't think that I'd ever want to run 50k-100 miles, but, I will
give half marathon a try one day -- not sure about next week -- and
maybe even a marathon. Why not, I will run slowly and see what
happens. I could run 1 hour 35 min, why not run for 2 hours 30 minutes
or so to do the half marathon.

i

I've run plenty of halfs, but certainly NOT on a lowcarb diet! That's just
stupid.

Martha

"Ignoramus474" wrote in message
...
In article , Doug Freese wrote:

"Ignoramus474" wrote in message
...
In article , Doug Freese
wrote:

"Ignoramus474" wrote in message
...
I agree and, probably, for healthy athletes, this diet is not
optimal. But, LC does not preclude long distance running, as some
might think.

Then you are living in a fantasy world or you haven't got any idea
what
long distance running means. If you play this LC in a "long" race
they
will take you out in a body bag if not put you on an IV with carbs to
keep you from dying.

What is a long race for you Doug?

Any distance that depletes your energy and you bonk. With a poor diet
this could be as short as a 10 miles especially if under trained and run
too fast. A half marathon is borderline. Go up to the marathon and
longer and you see what happens when your carbo poor. I currently do
50k -100 miles. When you get to these distances you learn the value of
carbs to keep you alive and moving forward.
-DF




I don't think that I'd ever want to run 50k-100 miles, but, I will
give half marathon a try one day -- not sure about next week -- and
maybe even a marathon. Why not, I will run slowly and see what
happens. I could run 1 hour 35 min, why not run for 2 hours 30 minutes
or so to do the half marathon.

i

I've run plenty of halfs, but certainly NOT on a lowcarb diet! That's just
stupid.

Martha