What nutrients are in whole grains that aren't in vegetables?

Max C. wrote:

Life expectancy is mostly genetic and not based on your
diet.

What? You've got to be kidding, right? There are hundreds of
references showing that the food you eat can dramatically increase your
life expectancy.

"Life expectancy" is the wrong term there. *Accidents* effect
life expectancy and thus it can't be determined genetically.

Woud "maximum lifespan" work better?

Weston Price studied several people who had left
their native groups for modern areas with refined foods. He
consistantly found that those people had more degenerative diseases and
shorter lives than the families they left behind.

Yes, genetics has SOME bearing on age, but it's certainly not the only
thing. Your comment doesn't even make sense. Do you think you can
live to your fullest eating only Twinkies? The food you eat has
everything to do with how long you live.

If we use the term maximum lifespan then food eaten
can only reduce from the maximum.

"Max C." wrote in message
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Life expectancy is mostly genetic and not based on your
diet.

What? You've got to be kidding, right? There are hundreds of
references showing that the food you eat can dramatically increase your
life expectancy. Weston Price studied several people who had left
their native groups for modern areas with refined foods. He
consistantly found that those people had more degenerative diseases and
shorter lives than the families they left behind.

Yes, genetics has SOME bearing on age, but it's certainly not the only
thing. Your comment doesn't even make sense. Do you think you can
live to your fullest eating only Twinkies? The food you eat has
everything to do with how long you live.

Yet, some people manage to do everything wrong and still live long. Why?

If we use the term maximum lifespan then food eaten
can only reduce from the maximum.

Agreed, but that's quite different than saying that food has no bearing
on life expectancy... unless the meaning was that if food kills you at
age 30 then your reached your life expectancy. Somehow I don't
think that's what was meant.

Someone said:
Most important (applies to all whole grains) is that whole grains
release carbohydrates far more slowly than finely ground flour.

The difference isn't very relevant on my bg meter. For me the spike is
just as large, it just happens a bit later. I could accomplish the
same thing by simpling eating refined carbs a half hour later. So I
don't see a benefit for diabetics.

For non-diabetics... well, my husband grew up in a bakery and can knock
off 1/6th of a chocolate cake and his bg afterwards is still in the
70s. So... given that even a huge serving of sugar doesn't effect a
non-diabetic's bg much, I don't really see a benefit there either.

The benefits of whole grains wrt to bg are minimal. The primary
benefit is that whole grains have not been stripped of nutrients as
have refined grains. Also, that they are "fresh" tasting the same way
that fresh veggies are as opposed to dehydrated soup veggies or such.

That can be said for pasta too, even "white" pasta.
Alf Christophersen wrote:
Not my experience :-( Spaghetti, even boild for 5 minutes is really
heavy on spiking my blood sugar and also keeping high for many hours,
even with 36 IE Insulatard :-( About same amount of rough rye bread
lasts even longer, but much less blood sugar.

Yeah, pasta spikes me pretty much just as badly as white bread, not
much difference for the equivalent amount of carbs.

IMO, diabetics do not need to read research to decide what to eat.
Research is helpful, and can give you ideas, of course. But... you
have to eat to your own meter, to your own bg readings. Some stuff
seems to be "OK" for some folks and not for others. Your own personal
health is not equivalent to the average in a research study.

"Max C." wrote in message
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If we use the term maximum lifespan then food eaten
can only reduce from the maximum.

I would think that food eaten is part of maximum lifespan because to achieve
it, one must eat. If it is not achievable but just some theoretical notion,
then is a useless concept (more likely than not).


Agreed, but that's quite different than saying that food has no bearing
on life expectancy... unless the meaning was that if food kills you at
age 30 then your reached your life expectancy. Somehow I don't
think that's what was meant.


That language seems strange to me...Sure, one can eat motor oil and die
quickly. But if one didn't over eat, got exercise regularly, ate from a
range of foods, even junk foods, then it would hard to say that food had a
negative impact. Heck, I'm bet you could feed a person over a life time at
MacDonalds, and provided that person didn't get fat and got exercise, I'd
bet that person could be healthy, barring some issue of genetic defect
illness. You certainly couldn't prove that eating at MacDonalds kill
him/her.

"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
I would think that food eaten is part of maximum lifespan because to
achieve
it, one must eat. If it is not achievable but just some theoretical
notion,
then is a useless concept (more likely than not).

Something interesting, when my grandmother died a few months before her 95th
birthday, and had been active nearly until she died, people shook their head
in wonderment because she'd grown up at a creamery, ate lots of butter, sour
cream, fresh cheeses, thick cream on everything while growing up...and
throughout her life never really deviated much from that or bought into the
low fat = better health = long life thing. Everyone wondered that she
didn't die younger, with all the meats and fats (and vegetables, she loved
to garden) she ate.


--
Sherry
364/293/195 (4/3/05)
http://lowcarb.owly.net

That language seems strange to me...Sure, one can eat motor oil and die
quickly. But if one didn't over eat, got exercise regularly, ate from a
range of foods, even junk foods, then it would hard to say that food had a
negative impact. Heck, I'm bet you could feed a person over a life time at
MacDonalds, and provided that person didn't get fat and got exercise, I'd
bet that person could be healthy, barring some issue of genetic defect
illness. You certainly couldn't prove that eating at MacDonalds kill
him/her.

You haven't seen "SuperSize Me" have you.

Something interesting, when my grandmother died a few months before her 95th
birthday, and had been active nearly until she died, people shook their head
in wonderment because she'd grown up at a creamery, ate lots of butter, sour
cream, fresh cheeses, thick cream on everything while growing up...

Couch-potatoes need not apply.

Who says so? I do.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/...le-grains.html
--
John Gohde,
Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the
mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the
Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and
sharper terminology than ever before.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/

"Max C." wrote in message
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Something interesting, when my grandmother died a few months before her
95th
birthday, and had been active nearly until she died, people shook their
head
in wonderment because she'd grown up at a creamery, ate lots of butter,
sour
cream, fresh cheeses, thick cream on everything while growing up...and
throughout her life never really deviated much from that or bought into
the
low fat = better health = long life thing. Everyone wondered that she
didn't die younger, with all the meats and fats (and vegetables, she
loved
to garden) she ate.

Her life is one to be envied. I can't even get raw cream, and pay
$8.00 / gal for the raw goat's milk I get. Her experience is directly
in line with historical evidence. Her longevity wasn't an exception.

LOL!

"Max C." wrote in message
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That language seems strange to me...Sure, one can eat motor oil and die
quickly. But if one didn't over eat, got exercise regularly, ate from a
range of foods, even junk foods, then it would hard to say that food had
a
negative impact. Heck, I'm bet you could feed a person over a life time
at
MacDonalds, and provided that person didn't get fat and got exercise, I'd
bet that person could be healthy, barring some issue of genetic defect
illness. You certainly couldn't prove that eating at MacDonalds kill
him/her.

You haven't seen "SuperSize Me" have you.

Oh sure. He pigged out. No exercise, and intentially tried to hurt
himself. It proves nothing. One can do the same thing at any heathfood
store.