What nutrients are in whole grains that aren't in vegetables?

Roger Zoul wrote:

Hey dumbass....what makes you think I (and others here) haven't done read
the literature on grains. You're such a mindless drone that you can't think
beyond the end of your pug nose.

It is YOU who needs to do more study. And any ****wit can run a Yahoo
newgroup. BFD.

Roger, My hat goes off to you. I couldn't have put it any better.

http://naturalhealthperspective.com/...le-grains.html
" The Health Benefits of Whole-Grains

The following research studies document the many health benefits of
eating whole-grains. All of the full text of these studies are
available online for free.

Sample Topics

* Risk of heart disease
* All-cause mortality
* Risk of type 2 diabetes mellitus
* Effect on insulin sensitivity
* Effect on glycemic control
* Effect on cholesterol
* Development of obesity"
--
john gohde
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/...le-grains.html

Cereal Grains: Humanity's Double-Edged Sword

http://www.thepaleodiet.com/articles...%20article.pdf

http://naturalhealthperspective.com/...le-grains.html
Whole-Grain: Humanities Salvation and the Condemnation of the
Anti-Nutrient Kooks.
--
John Gohde,
Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the
mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the
Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and
sharper terminology than ever before.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/

You still need fats in your diet, olive oil, canola, 2-3 tablespoons day;
fin fish, skinless chicken breast, beef, lamb full trim 3-6 oz day. Sugar, 4
carbon, from fruit fresh or canned, not in syrup.

Bob

Bob
"Joe the Aroma" wrote in message
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"Karstens Rage" wrote in message
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Joe the Aroma wrote:
"Joe the Aroma" wrote in message
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The reason I'm asking is, low-carb vs. mainstream nutrition aside, it
seems
that vegetables are a much more low calorie way to get whatever
nutrients
are available only from plant sources rather than whole grains.

Calories. Try feeding yourself on raw spinach. Tons of nutrients, hardly
any calories. A very modest diet of 1800 calories per day would be 17
lbs of spinach or 3.58 lbs of rice. You choose what you want to stuff
down your pie hole.

Personally I try for a wide variety of foods, vegetables just don't fill
you up for very long (they literally fill you up but dont give you much
usable energy)

k

Whole grains don't give me any usuable energy... quite the opposite, the
inevitable "carb crash" kills me.

Not all grains contain gluten.

Bob

"Pizzza Girl" wrote in message
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GLUTEN !

"TC" wrote in message
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Wheat flour, whole-grain
Refuse: 0%
Scientific Name:
NDB No: 20080 (Nutrient values and weights are for
edible portion)

Nutrient Units Value per 100 grams Number of Data
Points Std.Error
Proximates
Water g 10.27 15 0.453
Energy kcal 339 0 0
Energy kj 1418 0 0
Protein g 13.70 16 0.456
Total lipid (fat) g 1.87 10 0.04
Ash g 1.60 14 0.053
Carbohydrate, by difference g 72.57 0 0
Fiber, total dietary g 12.2 0 0
Sugars, total g 0.41 3 0.03
Minerals
Calcium, Ca mg 34 8 2.484
Iron, Fe mg 3.88 8 0.059
Magnesium, Mg mg 138 6 1.898
Phosphorus, P mg 346 6 3.784
Potassium, K mg 405 7 16.273
Sodium, Na mg 5 7 1.583
Zinc, Zn mg 2.93 11 0.185
Copper, Cu mg 0.382 11 0.024
Manganese, Mn mg 3.799 10 0.309
Selenium, Se mcg 70.7 3 8.175
Vitamins
Vitamin C, total ascorbic acid mg 0.0 0 0
Thiamin mg 0.447 20 0.018
Riboflavin mg 0.215 20 0.013
Niacin mg 6.365 8 0.263
Pantothenic acid mg 1.008 2 0
Vitamin B-6 mg 0.341 3 0.019
Folate, total mcg 44 7 4.194
Folic acid mcg 0 0 0
Folate, food mcg 44 7 4.194
Folate, DFE mcg_DFE 44 0 0
Vitamin B-12 mcg 0.00 0 0
Vitamin B-12, added mcg 0.00 0 0
Vitamin A, IU IU 9 0 0
Vitamin A, RAE mcg_RAE 0 0 0
Retinol mcg 0 0 0
Vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol) mg 0.82 1 0
Vitamin E, added mg 0.00 0 0
Vitamin K (phylloquinone) mcg 1.9 2 0
Lipids
Fatty acids, total saturated g 0.322 0 0
4:0 g 0.000 0 0
6:0 g 0.000 0 0
8:0 g 0.018 0 0
10:0 g 0.000 0 0
12:0 g 0.000 0 0
14:0 g 0.003 0 0
16:0 g 0.271 0 0
18:0 g 0.015 0 0
Fatty acids, total monounsaturated g 0.232 0 0
16:1 undifferentiated g 0.013 0 0
18:1 undifferentiated g 0.219 0 0
20:1 g 0.000 0 0
22:1 undifferentiated g 0.000 0 0
Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated g 0.779 0 0
18:2 undifferentiated g 0.738 0 0
18:3 undifferentiated g 0.038 0 0
18:4 g 0.000 0 0
20:4 undifferentiated g 0.002 0 0
20:5 n-3 g 0.000 0 0
22:5 n-3 g 0.000 0 0
22:6 n-3 g 0.000 0 0
Cholesterol mg 0 0 0
Amino acids
Tryptophan g 0.212 12 0
Threonine g 0.395 25 0
Isoleucine g 0.508 25 0
Leucine g 0.926 25 0
Lysine g 0.378 26 0
Methionine g 0.212 26 0
Cystine g 0.317 20 0
Phenylalanine g 0.646 25 0
Tyrosine g 0.400 24 0
Valine g 0.618 25 0
Arginine g 0.642 26 0
Histidine g 0.317 26 0
Alanine g 0.487 24 0
Aspartic acid g 0.703 25 0
Glutamic acid g 4.325 24 0
Glycine g 0.552 23 0
Proline g 1.422 23 0
Serine g 0.646 23 0
Other
Alcohol, ethyl g 0.0 0 0
Caffeine mg 0 0 0
Theobromine mg 0 0 0
Carotene, beta mcg 5 1 0
Carotene, alpha mcg 0 0 0
Cryptoxanthin, beta mcg 0 0 0
Lycopene mcg 0 0 0
Lutein + zeaxanthin mcg 220 1 0

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Vegetables, mixed (corn, lima beans, peas, green
beans, carrots)
canned, no salt added
New Search
Refuse: 0%
Scientific Name:
NDB No: 43312 (Nutrient values and weights are for
edible portion)

Nutrient Units Value per100 grams Numberof
DataPoints Std.Error
Proximates
Water g 90.20 0 0
Energy kcal 37 0 0
Energy kj 153 0 0
Protein g 1.40 0 0
Total lipid (fat) g 0.20 0 0
Ash g 0.89 0 0
Carbohydrate, by difference g 7.31 0 0
Fiber, total dietary g 3.1 0 0
Sugars, total g 2.45 0 0
Minerals
Calcium, Ca mg 21 0 0
Iron, Fe mg 0.65 0 0
Magnesium, Mg mg 15 0 0
Phosphorus, P mg 37 0 0
Potassium, K mg 138 0 0
Sodium, Na mg 26 0 0
Zinc, Zn mg 0.51 0 0
Copper, Cu mg 0.104 0 0
Selenium, Se mcg 0.3 1 0
Vitamins
Vitamin C, total ascorbic acid mg 3.8 0 0
Thiamin mg 0.030 0 0
Riboflavin mg 0.040 0 0
Niacin mg 0.480 0 0
Vitamin B-6 mg 0.080 0 0
Folate, total mcg 18 0 0
Folic acid mcg 0 0 0
Folate, food mcg 18 0 0
Folate, DFE mcg_DFE 18 0 0
Vitamin B-12 mcg 0.00 0 0
Vitamin B-12, added mcg 0.00 0 0
Vitamin A, IU IU 11647 0 0
Vitamin A, RAE mcg_RAE 582 0 0
Retinol mcg 0 0 0
Vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol) mg 0.34 0 0
Vitamin E, added mg 0.00 0 0
Vitamin K (phylloquinone) mcg 12.4 0 0
Lipids
Fatty acids, total saturated g 0.039 0 0
4:0 g 0.000 0 0
6:0 g 0.000 0 0
8:0 g 0.000 0 0
10:0 g 0.000 0 0
12:0 g 0.001 0 0
14:0 g 0.000 0 0
16:0 g 0.033 0 0
18:0 g 0.004 0 0
Fatty acids, total monounsaturated g 0.022 0 0
16:1 undifferentiated g 0.001 0 0
18:1 undifferentiated g 0.022 0 0
20:1 g 0.000 0 0
22:1 undifferentiated g 0.000 0 0
Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated g 0.098 0 0
18:2 undifferentiated g 0.071 0 0
18:3 undifferentiated g 0.027 0 0
18:4 g 0.000 0 0
20:4 undifferentiated g 0.000 0 0
20:5 n-3 g 0.000 0 0
22:5 n-3 g 0.000 0 0
22:6 n-3 g 0.000 0 0
Cholesterol mg 0 0 0
Other
Alcohol, ethyl g 0.0 0 0
Caffeine mg 0 0 0
Theobromine mg 0 0 0
Carotene, beta mcg 5670 0 0
Carotene, alpha mcg 2636 0 0
Cryptoxanthin, beta mcg 0 0 0
Lycopene mcg 0 0 0
Lutein + zeaxanthin mcg 493 0 0


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Whole wheat is a poor food compared to vegetables.

TC



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Actuallly whole grains have been eaten for thousands of years. The processed
grains are a modern invention. By the way those people only lived about 30
years.

Bob

"Noway2" wrote in message
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For starters, the FDA has been dead wrong so many times, why should
they be believed this time?

Now the FDA says, "Let there be whole grains in food, and it shall be
good" and it becomes everyones mantra? Thats up there with those
simpletons that say that you NEED to eat sugar for your brain to
function. Excuse me? I'm sory I didn't quite get that.

Everything I am seeing tells me that it this whole grains thing is just
the latest gimmick for those that want to delude themselves that their
standard western processed diet is good for them. For many thousands
of years of human (and other animal) existance, grains and even fruits
and vegetables were a very rare commodity and certainly not the staple
of their diet. Quite frankly, if they couldn't catch it and kill it,
they didn't eat it. It wasn't until more advanced settlements formed
that agricuture even became feasible. But I am supposed to believe
that these natural items that humasn have been eating for millenia are
now inferior to a "whole grain" product manufactured by some company
who's "whole intent" is to make a profit? Please.

Life expectancy is mostly genetic and not based on your
diet.

Your point was moot.

"sycochkn" wrote in message
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Actuallly whole grains have been eaten for thousands
of years. The processed
grains are a modern invention. By the way those
people only lived about 30
years.

Bob


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You are a complete idiot if you actually believe that tripe.

TC

Pizzza Girl wrote:
Life expectancy is mostly genetic and not based on your
diet.

Your point was moot.

"sycochkn" wrote in message
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Actuallly whole grains have been eaten for thousands
of years. The processed
grains are a modern invention. By the way those
people only lived about 30
years.

Bob


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On 19 Feb 2006 19:48:17 -0800, "TC" wrote:


It is true diet will only allow one to reach their genetic potential
but the ceiling is set. Life expectancy, attractiveness,
intelligence, athleticism upper limits are all predetermined. You
can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

You are a complete idiot if you actually believe that tripe.

TC

Pizzza Girl wrote:
Life expectancy is mostly genetic and not based on your
diet.