What nutrients are in whole grains that aren't in vegetables?

"Joe the Aroma" wrote in message
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The reason I'm asking is, low-carb vs. mainstream nutrition aside, it seems
that vegetables are a much more low calorie way to get whatever nutrients
are available only from plant sources rather than whole grains.

Joe the Aroma wrote:
"Joe the Aroma" wrote in message
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The reason I'm asking is, low-carb vs. mainstream nutrition aside, it seems
that vegetables are a much more low calorie way to get whatever nutrients
are available only from plant sources rather than whole grains.

Calories. Try feeding yourself on raw spinach. Tons of nutrients, hardly
any calories. A very modest diet of 1800 calories per day would be 17
lbs of spinach or 3.58 lbs of rice. You choose what you want to stuff
down your pie hole.

Personally I try for a wide variety of foods, vegetables just don't fill
you up for very long (they literally fill you up but dont give you much
usable energy)

k

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Joe the Aroma wrote:
"Joe the Aroma" wrote in message
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The reason I'm asking is, low-carb vs. mainstream nutrition aside, it
seems
that vegetables are a much more low calorie way to get whatever nutrients
are available only from plant sources rather than whole grains.

Calories. Try feeding yourself on raw spinach. Tons of nutrients, hardly
any calories. A very modest diet of 1800 calories per day would be 17
lbs of spinach or 3.58 lbs of rice. You choose what you want to stuff
down your pie hole.

Personally I try for a wide variety of foods, vegetables just don't fill
you up for very long (they literally fill you up but dont give you much
usable energy)

k

Whole grains don't give me any usuable energy... quite the opposite, the
inevitable "carb crash" kills me.

You still need fats in your diet, olive oil, canola, 2-3 tablespoons day;
fin fish, skinless chicken breast, beef, lamb full trim 3-6 oz day. Sugar, 4
carbon, from fruit fresh or canned, not in syrup.

Bob

Bob
"Joe the Aroma" wrote in message
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"Karstens Rage" wrote in message
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Joe the Aroma wrote:
"Joe the Aroma" wrote in message
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The reason I'm asking is, low-carb vs. mainstream nutrition aside, it
seems
that vegetables are a much more low calorie way to get whatever
nutrients
are available only from plant sources rather than whole grains.

Calories. Try feeding yourself on raw spinach. Tons of nutrients, hardly
any calories. A very modest diet of 1800 calories per day would be 17
lbs of spinach or 3.58 lbs of rice. You choose what you want to stuff
down your pie hole.

Personally I try for a wide variety of foods, vegetables just don't fill
you up for very long (they literally fill you up but dont give you much
usable energy)

k

Whole grains don't give me any usuable energy... quite the opposite, the
inevitable "carb crash" kills me.

Joe the Aroma wrote:

The reason I'm asking is, low-carb vs. mainstream nutrition aside, it seems
that vegetables are a much more low calorie way to get whatever nutrients
are available only from plant sources rather than whole grains.

Since when is low-calorie the measure of anything?

Only for people trying to lose weight because they have a long history
of abusing their bodies.

I suppose one could survive awhile, by eating spinach like Popeye.

Of course, if you are planning to live a long life. Then I would
suggest eating real foods which of course would include whole grains.

"Mr-Natural-Health" wrote in
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Joe the Aroma wrote:

The reason I'm asking is, low-carb vs. mainstream nutrition aside, it
seems
that vegetables are a much more low calorie way to get whatever nutrients
are available only from plant sources rather than whole grains.

Since when is low-calorie the measure of anything?

Well it is a measure of the heat value of food.

Only for people trying to lose weight because they have a long history
of abusing their bodies.

Or people not trying to gain weight, which Americans have a problem with.

I suppose one could survive awhile, by eating spinach like Popeye.

Of course, if you are planning to live a long life. Then I would
suggest eating real foods which of course would include whole grains.

So your contention is that whole grains will make you live a long life? What
is your proof?

Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
Of course, if you are planning to live a long life. Then I would
suggest eating real foods which of course would include whole grains.

Unless, of course, you have metabolic issues that preclude whole
grains. I'm diabetic, so grains are not food for me.

My husband is not diabetic, and I buy and prepare whole grains for him.
But... bread is not a whole grain. Cereal is not a whole grain. They
are putting "whole grain" stickers on everything in the grocery store
now... like Trix, which is primarily sugar. Trix is *not* a whole
grain.

Grains are little things shaped sort of like berries: wheat berries,
brown rice, oats, barley, fresh or dried corn, etc. I would admit that
whole-grain flours are whole grains, sorta, but there's much less
nutritive value in them once they're ground, so better to grind them
fresh as you use them. Tastes better that way too... as it's fresh.
Just as I don't cut-up veggies a week before I make a stir-fry,
similarly, I don't grind flour for bread until right before baking.

My husband eats whole grains and I expect him to live a long life.

So do my chickens, but I do not expect them to live a long life as I
expect we'll eat them.

Whole grains and starchy vegetables are not food for *me* for a long
life though as stable blood glucose is more important than any
"nutrients" I could miss from grains. Grains do not have a lot of
nutrtitive value anyways.

Also, I do not "get" the bit about veggies not sticking with you. The
majority of my diet by volume or mass (though not by calories) is
vegetables. I don't find a scoop of guacamole or a bowl of stir-fried
bell peppers and onions is less satisfying than other meals. Lasts for
4 hours or so before I'm hungry again, which is all I expect a meal to
do.

And... I love veggies. If I *had* to choose one food group to live
on for the rest of my life, it'd be veggies for sure. They're what I
could least live without. If I had to choose between never eating a
steak cooked to perfection, never eating a freshly baked lslice of
bread, or never eating a freshly riped Brandywine tomato out of my
garden, the tomato wins hands down. And the snap peas. And the
butterhead lettuce and radicchio and mushrooms and bell peppers of all
colors and garlic and onions of all colors and broccoli and cauliflower
and...

I'm making myself hungry.

Also, for me, because I do have metabolic issues, a veggie, meat or
dairy-based meals lasts *much* longer than a meal which includes
starch, whole grain or not, which results in ravenous hunger within an
hour or so due to the bg instability that results. Starchy meals may
"stick" with my husband, but they just make me hungry, weak and ill.

I don't think anyone who excludes grains from their diet is missing
much. But I also don't think those who incldue grains in their diet
are getting much out of them either... there's just not much to get
there.

wrote:

But... bread is not a whole grain. Cereal is not a whole grain. They
are putting "whole grain" stickers on everything in the grocery store
now... like Trix, which is primarily sugar. Trix is *not* a whole
grain.

I thought that I could respond to this cut with something cute.

But, upon reading it the second time your IQ is simply beyond belief.

I give my condolences to the FDA for having attempted to communicate
the perfectly obvious to people a few beers short of a six pack. The
commercial companies are trying to make a buck. But, your
comprehension is unfathomable.

Wheat flour, whole-grain
Refuse: 0%
Scientific Name:
NDB No: 20080 (Nutrient values and weights are for edible portion)

Nutrient Units Value per 100 grams Number of Data Points Std.Error
Proximates
Water g 10.27 15 0.453
Energy kcal 339 0 0
Energy kj 1418 0 0
Protein g 13.70 16 0.456
Total lipid (fat) g 1.87 10 0.04
Ash g 1.60 14 0.053
Carbohydrate, by difference g 72.57 0 0
Fiber, total dietary g 12.2 0 0
Sugars, total g 0.41 3 0.03
Minerals
Calcium, Ca mg 34 8 2.484
Iron, Fe mg 3.88 8 0.059
Magnesium, Mg mg 138 6 1.898
Phosphorus, P mg 346 6 3.784
Potassium, K mg 405 7 16.273
Sodium, Na mg 5 7 1.583
Zinc, Zn mg 2.93 11 0.185
Copper, Cu mg 0.382 11 0.024
Manganese, Mn mg 3.799 10 0.309
Selenium, Se mcg 70.7 3 8.175
Vitamins
Vitamin C, total ascorbic acid mg 0.0 0 0
Thiamin mg 0.447 20 0.018
Riboflavin mg 0.215 20 0.013
Niacin mg 6.365 8 0.263
Pantothenic acid mg 1.008 2 0
Vitamin B-6 mg 0.341 3 0.019
Folate, total mcg 44 7 4.194
Folic acid mcg 0 0 0
Folate, food mcg 44 7 4.194
Folate, DFE mcg_DFE 44 0 0
Vitamin B-12 mcg 0.00 0 0
Vitamin B-12, added mcg 0.00 0 0
Vitamin A, IU IU 9 0 0
Vitamin A, RAE mcg_RAE 0 0 0
Retinol mcg 0 0 0
Vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol) mg 0.82 1 0
Vitamin E, added mg 0.00 0 0
Vitamin K (phylloquinone) mcg 1.9 2 0
Lipids
Fatty acids, total saturated g 0.322 0 0
4:0 g 0.000 0 0
6:0 g 0.000 0 0
8:0 g 0.018 0 0
10:0 g 0.000 0 0
12:0 g 0.000 0 0
14:0 g 0.003 0 0
16:0 g 0.271 0 0
18:0 g 0.015 0 0
Fatty acids, total monounsaturated g 0.232 0 0
16:1 undifferentiated g 0.013 0 0
18:1 undifferentiated g 0.219 0 0
20:1 g 0.000 0 0
22:1 undifferentiated g 0.000 0 0
Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated g 0.779 0 0
18:2 undifferentiated g 0.738 0 0
18:3 undifferentiated g 0.038 0 0
18:4 g 0.000 0 0
20:4 undifferentiated g 0.002 0 0
20:5 n-3 g 0.000 0 0
22:5 n-3 g 0.000 0 0
22:6 n-3 g 0.000 0 0
Cholesterol mg 0 0 0
Amino acids
Tryptophan g 0.212 12 0
Threonine g 0.395 25 0
Isoleucine g 0.508 25 0
Leucine g 0.926 25 0
Lysine g 0.378 26 0
Methionine g 0.212 26 0
Cystine g 0.317 20 0
Phenylalanine g 0.646 25 0
Tyrosine g 0.400 24 0
Valine g 0.618 25 0
Arginine g 0.642 26 0
Histidine g 0.317 26 0
Alanine g 0.487 24 0
Aspartic acid g 0.703 25 0
Glutamic acid g 4.325 24 0
Glycine g 0.552 23 0
Proline g 1.422 23 0
Serine g 0.646 23 0
Other
Alcohol, ethyl g 0.0 0 0
Caffeine mg 0 0 0
Theobromine mg 0 0 0
Carotene, beta mcg 5 1 0
Carotene, alpha mcg 0 0 0
Cryptoxanthin, beta mcg 0 0 0
Lycopene mcg 0 0 0
Lutein + zeaxanthin mcg 220 1 0

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Vegetables, mixed (corn, lima beans, peas, green beans, carrots)
canned, no salt added
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Scientific Name:
NDB No: 43312 (Nutrient values and weights are for edible portion)

Nutrient Units Value per100 grams Numberof DataPoints Std.Error
Proximates
Water g 90.20 0 0
Energy kcal 37 0 0
Energy kj 153 0 0
Protein g 1.40 0 0
Total lipid (fat) g 0.20 0 0
Ash g 0.89 0 0
Carbohydrate, by difference g 7.31 0 0
Fiber, total dietary g 3.1 0 0
Sugars, total g 2.45 0 0
Minerals
Calcium, Ca mg 21 0 0
Iron, Fe mg 0.65 0 0
Magnesium, Mg mg 15 0 0
Phosphorus, P mg 37 0 0
Potassium, K mg 138 0 0
Sodium, Na mg 26 0 0
Zinc, Zn mg 0.51 0 0
Copper, Cu mg 0.104 0 0
Selenium, Se mcg 0.3 1 0
Vitamins
Vitamin C, total ascorbic acid mg 3.8 0 0
Thiamin mg 0.030 0 0
Riboflavin mg 0.040 0 0
Niacin mg 0.480 0 0
Vitamin B-6 mg 0.080 0 0
Folate, total mcg 18 0 0
Folic acid mcg 0 0 0
Folate, food mcg 18 0 0
Folate, DFE mcg_DFE 18 0 0
Vitamin B-12 mcg 0.00 0 0
Vitamin B-12, added mcg 0.00 0 0
Vitamin A, IU IU 11647 0 0
Vitamin A, RAE mcg_RAE 582 0 0
Retinol mcg 0 0 0
Vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol) mg 0.34 0 0
Vitamin E, added mg 0.00 0 0
Vitamin K (phylloquinone) mcg 12.4 0 0
Lipids
Fatty acids, total saturated g 0.039 0 0
4:0 g 0.000 0 0
6:0 g 0.000 0 0
8:0 g 0.000 0 0
10:0 g 0.000 0 0
12:0 g 0.001 0 0
14:0 g 0.000 0 0
16:0 g 0.033 0 0
18:0 g 0.004 0 0
Fatty acids, total monounsaturated g 0.022 0 0
16:1 undifferentiated g 0.001 0 0
18:1 undifferentiated g 0.022 0 0
20:1 g 0.000 0 0
22:1 undifferentiated g 0.000 0 0
Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated g 0.098 0 0
18:2 undifferentiated g 0.071 0 0
18:3 undifferentiated g 0.027 0 0
18:4 g 0.000 0 0
20:4 undifferentiated g 0.000 0 0
20:5 n-3 g 0.000 0 0
22:5 n-3 g 0.000 0 0
22:6 n-3 g 0.000 0 0
Cholesterol mg 0 0 0
Other
Alcohol, ethyl g 0.0 0 0
Caffeine mg 0 0 0
Theobromine mg 0 0 0
Carotene, beta mcg 5670 0 0
Carotene, alpha mcg 2636 0 0
Cryptoxanthin, beta mcg 0 0 0
Lycopene mcg 0 0 0
Lutein + zeaxanthin mcg 493 0 0


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Whole wheat is a poor food compared to vegetables.

TC